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Innishvilla
03/02/2010, 8:06 AM
Hi everyone. Can anyone help me with this query. What is the ruling when a goalkeeper deliberately handles the ball outside his area, the 18yard line?

You should post this in the Advice on the laws of the game thread as there are a few refs are pretty good at answering these type of posts. But it would need more detail as Carrick hoops reply outlines, eg. did keeper catch ball and stumble outside area or dive at feet of attacked outside area? both handball but both very different circumstances...
BigfeetBigsocks
03/02/2010, 10:24 AM
Hi everyone. Can anyone help me with this query. What is the ruling when a goalkeeper deliberately handles the ball outside his area, the 18yard line?

Deliberate Handball will be a yellow card offence, if you Dogsoh - Denied obvious goal scoring oppourtunity by handball then its a red card. So depending on circumstances will determine what type of offence has taken place. hope that helps
faces
03/02/2010, 11:09 AM
Kilmallock at home on the 21st to winners of portmanock match.
KUFCMan
03/02/2010, 11:18 AM
This weekends fixtures.....

R4.Thurs 4th Feb.Rock Celtic V Kentstown
R5.Sat 6th Feb.Leeside V Cabinteely
R5.Sat 6th Feb.Killarney Celtic V College Corinthians
R5.Sat 6th Feb.Orchard Athletic V Colemanstown
R5.Sun 7th Feb.Iorras V Carrick
R5.Sun 7th Feb.Crettyard V Porto
R5.Sun 7th Feb.Corrib Celtic V Nenagh celtic
R5.Sun 7th Feb.Mervue V St Michaels
R5.Sun 7th Feb.Lagan Harps V NUI
R5.Sun 7th Feb.Willow Park V Knocklyon
R5.Sun 7th Feb.St Pauls V Rock or Kentstown(Provisional)
BigfeetBigsocks
03/02/2010, 11:19 AM
Kilmallock at home on the 21st to winners of portmanock match.

Welcome back, :-)
Referee09
03/02/2010, 1:33 PM
Hi everyone. Can anyone help me with this query. What is the ruling when a goalkeeper deliberately handles the ball outside his area, the 18yard line?

OK... if it's not deliberate handball there is no offence, so the referee must deem it to be deliberate handball to award a freekick....also not every handball is worthy of a yellow card, surrounding circumstances must be taken into effect i.e. was the handball deliberately done to prevent the opponent gaining an advantage, if so then you would yellow card.....So If the goalkeeper is deemed to have deliberately handled the ball and denied his opponent gaining an advantage - Yellow Card.....if he has denied an obvious goal scoring opportunity - Red Card...... If it wasn't deliberate - no offence!!!
Hope this helps!
BigfeetBigsocks
03/02/2010, 2:22 PM
So your basically saying what i said three posts ago.....
redcardrory
03/02/2010, 2:34 PM
will ye ever check out the rules, once he handballs the ball its a red card, look at the rule book
prionsias9
03/02/2010, 2:36 PM
Deliberate Handball will be a yellow card offence, if you Dogsoh - Denied obvious goal scoring oppourtunity by handball then its a red card. So depending on circumstances will determine what type of offence has taken place. hope that helps
Thanks. It happened at our match on sunday,and some people werent sure whether the ref was correct to give goalkeeper yellow card.Once again thanks and good luck to everyone inthe fai junior cup.
Referee09
03/02/2010, 3:08 PM
So your basically saying what i said three posts ago.....

What you actually said was deliberate handball is a yellow card, which is incorrect.........Read my post again, and maybe the laws of the game too!!:p
faces
03/02/2010, 3:33 PM
Cheers BIGFEET
gameon
04/02/2010, 4:34 PM
Deliberate Handball will be a yellow card offence, if you Dogsoh - Denied obvious goal scoring oppourtunity by handball then its a red card. So depending on circumstances will determine what type of offence has taken place. hope that helps

the goalkeeper lifted the ball from the centre forwards feet as he tried to take it around him
celticlads
04/02/2010, 4:50 PM
[QUOTE=blinkx;1314412]Decent draw for the limerick teams. Could be an interesting year for them. Pike and Fairview should ease through even with the away games, and with Regional having home advantage it should see them advance.

ya i think your right blinkx id imagine pike will win comfortable enough. they allready beat the nenagh crowd handy last year and pike are alot stronger this year.
hooper74
04/02/2010, 4:53 PM
[QUOTE=blinkx;1314412]Decent draw for the limerick teams. Could be an interesting year for them. Pike and Fairview should ease through even with the away games, and with Regional having home advantage it should see them advance.

ya i think your right blinkx id imagine pike will win comfortable enough. they allready beat the nenagh crowd handy last year and pike are alot stronger this year.

but sure as you already told us all you have the secret to beat pike so we will all be tuned into that game :)
celticlads
04/02/2010, 5:28 PM
[QUOTE=celticlads;1316658]

but sure as you already told us all you have the secret to beat pike so we will all be tuned into that game :)

ah ya but that was in there not in our field, it suits them better. :)
the 12 th man
04/02/2010, 5:36 PM
the goalkeeper lifted the ball from the centre forwards feet as he tried to take it around him


Definite straight red card.
BigfeetBigsocks
04/02/2010, 6:26 PM
What you actually said was deliberate handball is a yellow card, which is incorrect.........Read my post again, and maybe the laws of the game too!!:p

I am pretty sure I know them it's the refs who complicate it with there varied interpretations, I bet you if you stuck a group of twenty plus refs in a room and discussed what's a foul, offside ,red card yellow card. You would be there for hours cause you would never agree on anything. Why do you think we get confused but thanks for advice anyway.
KUFCMan
04/02/2010, 10:36 PM
FAI Junior Cup 4TH Round result

Rock Celtic 1-0 Kentstown
Referee09
05/02/2010, 8:35 AM
I am pretty sure I know them it's the refs who complicate it with there varied interpretations, I bet you if you stuck a group of twenty plus refs in a room and discussed what's a foul, offside ,red card yellow card. You would be there for hours cause you would never agree on anything. Why do you think we get confused but thanks for advice anyway.


Thats a valid point, opinions vary always, hence why the Fai are running grassroot development modules for referees. These started last season and will continue for the future.

Would you also accept Biggie, that if you put all the club coaches/managers in your respective area in the same room, and watched the same footage, they also would "never agree":cool: as you put it..........so education on the Laws shouldn't only be for referees...............
Blackpanther
05/02/2010, 2:05 PM
[QUOTE=blinkx;1314412]Decent draw for the limerick teams. Could be an interesting year for them. Pike and Fairview should ease through even with the away games, and with Regional having home advantage it should see them advance.

ya i think your right blinkx id imagine pike will win comfortable enough. they allready beat the nenagh crowd handy last year and pike are alot stronger this year.

Could end up with 5 Limerick teams in the last 16 this year, would be some achievement.
BigfeetBigsocks
05/02/2010, 6:12 PM
Thats a valid point, opinions vary always, hence why the Fai are running grassroot development modules for referees. These started last season and will continue for the future.

Would you also accept Biggie, that if you put all the club coaches/managers in your respective area in the same room, and watched the same footage, they also would "never agree":cool: as you put it..........so education on the Laws shouldn't only be for referees...............

Probably would , but this is my point Reffie, would it not be easier for referees and players/managers/supporters/ wifes etc to have the Laws set out as distinct Laws rather than when i read them its more like Guidelines and are open to interpretation of individual official to implement them.
celticlads
08/02/2010, 12:46 PM
CORRIB CELTIC 0-3 NENAGH CELTIC At home to PIKE in the next round.
KUFCMan
08/02/2010, 3:40 PM
Carrick 12 V WFTA 22
Killarney Ath 33 V College Corinthians 66
Leeside 40 V Freebooters 28
Nenagh Celtic 50 V Pike Rovers 4
Listowel Celtic 40 V Fairview Rangers 9
Regional 22 V ST Pauls 28
Clonmel Celtic 22 V St Michaels 18
Crumlin Utd 33 V Bath/Marks 50
Wilton 50 V Ballynanty 33
Orchard Ath 100 V Willow Park 18
Ballina Town 33 V Shangan 28
Springfield 40 V Carbury 50
Castleisland 40 V Courtown Hibs 40
Glebe North 80 V Lagan Harps 40
Kilmallock 40 V Crettyard 28
Clonmel Town 12 V Ballymun 5

6th Round Draw
Taken from Kilbarrack Uniteds website with Boyles latest betting
faces
08/02/2010, 3:41 PM
CORRIB CELTIC 0-3 NENAGH CELTIC At home to PIKE in the next round.

crettyyard 2 portmarnock o kilmallock at home on the 21st to cretty yard
passinginterest
08/02/2010, 3:45 PM
Nice to see a UCFL team in the last 32 even if they are 100/1 outsiders :)
Good luck Orchard.
Referee09
08/02/2010, 3:47 PM
Probably would , but this is my point Reffie, would it not be easier for referees and players/managers/supporters/ wifes etc to have the Laws set out as distinct Laws rather than when i read them its more like Guidelines and are open to interpretation of individual official to implement them.

Well that's a bigger problem....................You'll have to take it up with Mr. Blatter and Mr. Platini!!:p
supersol
08/02/2010, 7:08 PM
Nice to see a UCFL team in the last 32 even if they are 100/1 outsiders :)
Good luck Orchard.

What are Orchard like?
passinginterest
08/02/2010, 7:26 PM
By UCFL standards at least top three in the Premier division. It's hard to gauge that though, another UCFL top team Trinity beat Bangor's Saturday team in the Leinster Junior last week. They'd have a lot of players who came through the ranks with Cherry Orchard so they'll know their way around a football pitch. Biggest weakness of most teams from the UCFL is fitness, teams in the UCFL in general don't seem to be as fit as others, the league in general has a more kick about with your mates feel to it than the top reaches of LSL or AUL.
Ace Forward
09/02/2010, 8:23 AM
Douglas Hall 0-3 WFTA - WFTA capitalised when we went down to ten men. Probably not a fair result on the run of the game.

Kililarney Celtic 0-1 College Corinthians

They are the only Munster Senior League team left in the competition.
carrick hoops
09/02/2010, 8:05 PM
mr aceforward ; what were wfta like , are they a dangerous side ? what kind of team are they ?
swinfordfc
09/02/2010, 9:12 PM
mr aceforward ; what were wfta like , are they a dangerous side ? what kind of team are they ?

i hear ye over a tough match along the atlantic coast ...... did ye enjoy playing up there?
bluey
09/02/2010, 10:15 PM
hows it going lads, just wondering have any of ye come across freebooters this season and what they are like?? with leeside and we have drawn them in the next round.
carrick hoops
09/02/2010, 10:17 PM
yeah , happy to come through it , it seems like a hard place to score /win ,we just deserved to get the result but will have to improve to go further , home advantage counts up there alright !!!!!!!!!!!
i hear ye over a tough match along the atlantic coast ...... did ye enjoy playing up there?
JM2010
11/02/2010, 1:08 PM
hows it going lads, just wondering have any of ye come across freebooters this season and what they are like?? with leeside and we have drawn them in the next round.

Well bluey. Booters are a very good side so ye'll have it tough. They main men for ye to watch out for are young pair Ben Ryan and Craig Wall. Ben will start up top but wander everywhere much like a Robbie Keane in his pomp! Craig is an out and out winger with blistering pace who'll want to run at you all day. In goal, Graham Doyle would be in the top 3 junior keepers in the country.

On the positive side for you, they have a very ageing defence and therefore are extremely suspect to pace. The backline will defend deep to stop the ball over the top so you might be able to take advantage of the space left in front of them.

Heard yer a decent outfit so should be a good game.
bluey
11/02/2010, 8:57 PM
Sound jm appericate the info. ya where v handy all right this season got in a good few players to add to the squad on previous seasons. really looking forward to the game, 1 or 2 lads going to have a look aswell on sunday morn. they had their spies down last week!!! will post a report after the game next weekend
abbeyvale
13/02/2010, 10:33 PM
F.A.I. Junior Cup 6th Round Draw

Listowel Cel v Fairview Rgs

Nenagh Cel v Pike Rvs

Wilton v Ballynanty Rvs

Regional Utd v St. Pauls Artane

Kilmallock v Crettyard Utd

Carrick Utd v WFTA

Killarney Ath v College Corths

Leeside v Freebooters

Clonmel Cel v St. Michaels

Clonmel Town v Ballymun

Crumlin Utd v Bath Markievicz

Orchard A v Willow Park

Ballina Town v Shangan Ath

Springfield V Carbury

Castleisland v Courtown Hibs

Glebe North V Lagan Harps
abbeyvale
15/02/2010, 4:06 PM
Fixtures
Listowel Cel v Fairview Rgs 2pm
Nenagh Cel v Pike Rvs 2pm
Wilton v Ballynanty Rvs 2pm
Regional Utd v St. Pauls Artane 2.30pm
Kilmallock v Crettyard Utd 2.30pm
Longshanks
16/02/2010, 11:26 AM
Any info on Springfield in Cork??
Longshanks
16/02/2010, 11:31 AM
Anyone know anything about Springfield in cork??
the only 1
16/02/2010, 11:37 AM
whens the next round draw on is it sunday?
Rafa 08
16/02/2010, 12:06 PM
think this year pike will finaly get there hands on the FAI!!
oscar
16/02/2010, 12:09 PM
Anyone know anything about Springfield in cork??

go to post no 764 on page 39,if thats no good try the cork AUL thread
oscar
16/02/2010, 12:32 PM
Listowel Cel v Fairview Rgs
Nenagh Cel v Pike Rvs
Wilton v Ballynanty Rvs
Regional Utd v St. Pauls Artane
Kilmallock v Crettyard Utd

any possible shocks on the cards???
swinfordfc
16/02/2010, 3:43 PM
Ballina Town v Shangan Athletic at 2pm on Sunday
faces
16/02/2010, 3:46 PM
listowel cel v fairview rgs
nenagh cel v pike rvs
wilton v ballynanty rvs
regional utd v st. Pauls artane
kilmallock v crettyard utd

any possible shocks on the cards???

hopefully kilmallock do the job
celticlads
16/02/2010, 10:19 PM
Listowel Cel v Fairview Rgs
Nenagh Cel v Pike Rvs
Wilton v Ballynanty Rvs
Regional Utd v St. Pauls Artane
Kilmallock v Crettyard Utd

any possible shocks on the cards???

which ones would be classed as shocks apart from the pike one obviously. is there betting on these matches.
hooper74
16/02/2010, 10:48 PM
he was not excluding anyone....he is a limerick man and was just putting the limerick ties in,ye are very sensitive in cork,the winners of clonmel celtic and saint michaels are away to WFTA or Carrick united
oscar
16/02/2010, 11:04 PM
It was nice of you to exclude the cork teams who are playing this weekend also.

Springfield v Carbury
Killarney Ath v College Corinthians

sorry the limerick papers don't print cork teams fixtures,funny that
hooper74
16/02/2010, 11:13 PM
anyone know the full draw for last 16.....it was made this evening
oscar
16/02/2010, 11:26 PM
hopefully kilmallock do the job

well faces do ye know what that crowd are like


which ones would be classed as shocks apart from the pike one obviously. is there betting on these matches.

well even though Fairview are away you'd have to fancy them so possibly could be a shock if they lost,they are one of the favourites afterall