Stephen Ireland [Archive] - Page 11

Morbo

09/05/2008, 12:08 PM

Didn't realize that City were scheduled to play MU and Chelsea on those dates. If he doesn't want to play friendlies then he can f*ck off, Charlton banished O'Leary(a far better player) for thinking he was too good to play friendlies and I seriously doubt Trap is going to pander to this idiot, I can understand if some older players nearing the end of their career don't want to play friendlies as it is tougher on them physically to play so many games a year but there is no excuse for young upstarts snubbing friendlies

jbyrne

09/05/2008, 2:00 PM

Yes because playing teams like Serbia and Colombia is a much higher level than Chelsea and Man Utd.

so thats our last two ever matches is it? :confused:
what about the chance to play italy home and away in a world cup qualifier? surely the ambition of any even half ambitious footballer

FarBeag

09/05/2008, 9:24 PM

Yes because playing teams like Serbia and Colombia is a much higher level than Chelsea and Man Utd.

Another excellent post by the ever so insight less Ciaran. The fact that this idiot has to be begged to play for his country says it all. It does not matter who we play be it a friendly or otherwise he should be privileged to wear the green jersey. I don�t know of any player in any other country where this would happen. To be honest he can crawl under a stone and rot for all I care.

Emmet

09/05/2008, 10:41 PM

Yes because playing teams like Serbia and Colombia is a much higher level than Chelsea and Man Utd.International football is a very different challenge to club football and besides Man City don't play those two sides every week! Last week against Liverpool he was very poor.

If Stephen Ireland wanted to represent his country he would have made that clear by now. He hasn't done that which says it all really. He's overrated and quite frankly we are better off without him. I'd rather have players with little skill but 100% commitment than have players with half-decent skill and 10% commitment. Hopefully Trappetoni will see through it all and rule him out altogether; that way we can move forward and focus on the players who are proud to be Irish and who actually want to represent their country and who don't see a green jersey as an embarrassing inconvenience.

stiffler

10/05/2008, 9:58 AM

I was fully supportive of Stephen Ireland joining the fold, and I hoped that all would look over his previous misdemeanours and give him a fresh start, but if this is true about him not wanting to play in this to friendlies then I dont want to see him in an Ireland shirt ever again.

There is no room for primadonnas under this new regime, if we want it to be successful.

Greenforever

10/05/2008, 11:29 AM

International football is a very different challenge to club football and besides Man City don't play those two sides every week! Last week against Liverpool he was very poor.

If Stephen Ireland wanted to represent his country he would have made that clear by now. He hasn't done that which says it all really. He's overrated and quite frankly we are better off without him. I'd rather have players with little skill but 100% commitment than have players with half-decent skill and 10% commitment. Hopefully Trappetoni will see through it all and rule him out altogether; that way we can move forward and focus on the players who are proud to be Irish and who actually want to represent their country and who don't see a green jersey as an embarrassing inconvenience.

Excellent post, agree completely

superfrank

10/05/2008, 12:20 PM

A bit OT I know, but what do people on here think of Ryan Giggs?

Paddy Garcia

10/05/2008, 7:57 PM

If ever a player less deserved 515 posts! s**t 516 now.

Paddy Garcia

10/05/2008, 7:58 PM

A bit OT I know, but what do people on here think of Ryan Giggs?

I'd rather talk about Giggs to be honest. I think he is a very good footballer. What do you think of him ?

superfrank

11/05/2008, 2:22 PM

I'd rather talk about Giggs to be honest. I think he is a very good footballer. What do you think of him ?
I think he's a very good player but his attitude is very similar to Ireland's. Giggs has been one of the top wingers in the Premiership for 10-15 years. He's made 64 appearances for Wales in that time.

Who knows how many he would have made if he was "available" for every Wales game?

Ireland's not the only player like this.

mypost

11/05/2008, 5:21 PM

How did he get on against the might of Middlesbrough?? Heard there was 9 goals in the game.... :D :rolleyes:

Razors left peg

11/05/2008, 5:34 PM

How did he get on against the might of Middlesbrough?? Heard there was 9 goals in the game.... :D :rolleyes:

yeah and they were all Steven Irelands fault of course:rolleyes:

Emmet

11/05/2008, 11:32 PM

I think he's a very good player but his attitude is very similar to Ireland's. Giggs has been one of the top wingers in the Premiership for 10-15 years. He's made 64 appearances for Wales in that time.

Who knows how many he would have made if he was "available" for every Wales game?

Ireland's not the only player like this.Ryan Giggs is world class; Stephen Ireland isn't. Giggs will play in a lot more matches over the course of a season for his club side because they compete in more competitions and are way more successful: Giggs was winning the League today and will be competing in the CL Final in nine days' time. Ireland's side lost 8-1 in a meaningless end-of-season kickabout to Middlesbrough today. I don't know too much about the circumstances behind his availability, or lack of, but I don't recall ever hearing about Giggs' Grans dying.

I would agree with you comparing Giggs to someone like Roy Keane but not to Stephen Ireland.

SilkCut

12/05/2008, 1:44 AM

Well said Emmet. Giggs has proved himself at every level of football, Ireland has not yet established himself as anything more than a decent premiership player with the potential to grow. Giggs at the same stage of his career had proved himself as an outstanding prospect. Midfielders like Ireland are abundant, we have much better players than him - S. Reid, A. Reid, Hunt, Carsley even Glen Whelan is looking like a better option now that he is Premiership bound. Ireland reminds me of Liam Miller who was supposed to be the next Irish superstar!!! Millers attitude has ruined his career (cos he undoubtedly has talent) and Ireland is heading the same way. If a top class performer doesnt want to play friendlies thats fine - they have nothing to prove - but any young up and coming player should want to play in every game in order to break into the team for WC EC games. This is what friendlies are for FFS.

Dr. Ogba

12/05/2008, 8:39 AM

Ireland reminds me of Liam Miller who was supposed to be the next Irish superstar!!! Millers attitude has ruined his career (cos he undoubtedly has talent) and Ireland is heading the same way. .

you may be on to something there...

bellavistaman

12/05/2008, 10:27 AM

How did he get on against the might of Middlesbrough?? Heard there was 9 goals in the game.... :D :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=www.manchestereveningnews.com]IRELAND: Always looks stylish on the ball and ran tirelessly in a hopeless cause 5.

Elano got 6 for his goal, Petrov got 5 all the rest were under 5.

superfrank

12/05/2008, 11:20 AM

How did he get on against the might of Middlesbrough?? Heard there was 9 goals in the game.... :D :rolleyes:
He's an attacking midfielder. Defence isn't his priority and if you'd actually watched the game, you'd know he set up Elano for the goal but, hey, don't let sense get in the way of your hate for Stephen Ireland.

Ryan Giggs is world class; Stephen Ireland isn't. Giggs will play in a lot more matches over the course of a season for his club side because they compete in more competitions and are way more successful: Giggs was winning the League today and will be competing in the CL Final in nine days' time. Ireland's side lost 8-1 in a meaningless end-of-season kickabout to Middlesbrough today. I don't know too much about the circumstances behind his availability, or lack of, but I don't recall ever hearing about Giggs' Grans dying.
I never compared Ireland and Giggs ability-wise.

My point was that Giggs' international career has suffered because of his commitment to a successful club career i.e. the post-match "injuries" on a Saturday that rule him out for Wales on a Wednesday but seem him magnficcently recover for Man U's match on the following Saturday.

Why does Giggs do this?

Clearly, Ireland's not the only one who puts club over country.

galwayhoop

12/05/2008, 1:24 PM

Why does Giggs do this?

Clearly, Ireland's not the only one who puts club over country.

I could be wrong but I thought that Giggs only stopped turning up for Welsh games when he was an established player. Ireland is a relative spring chicken in that he is only on the scene for a season or so. Also while Giggs didn't do friendlies he did turn up for competitive games.

Stephen Ireland has opted out of competitive games by inventing the death of close relatives, apparantely because the lads were slagging him about getting hair transplants!! What a tosser. Good riddance. He deserves no respect at all from Irish supporters. He can stay in Manchester and have a very successful career but I don't want him to appear in an Irish jersey again or at least until he grows up and realizes it is an honour to represent your country.

superfrank

12/05/2008, 1:30 PM

Stephen Ireland has opted out of competitive games by inventing the death of close relatives, apparantely because the lads were slagging him about getting hair transplants!! What a tosser. Good riddance. He deserves no respect at all from Irish supporters.
You don't even know what you are talking about.

galwayhoop

12/05/2008, 1:31 PM

You don't even know what you are talking about.
yes i do.

bellavistaman

12/05/2008, 1:40 PM

you dont, you threw in the one rumour that would suit your case more, you failed to add his family situation, if your going to say stuff you heard add all sides of the story please

seanog2001

12/05/2008, 2:00 PM

The guy is a great player a player we certainly cant afford to be without as we are so light in centre midfield in terms of quality but there is obliviously something wrong upstairs with the lad if Trapp can sort his head out im sure we will see the best of him in the forth coming campaign we badly need it :D

Greenforever

12/05/2008, 2:17 PM

you dont, you threw in the one rumour that would suit your case more, you failed to add his family situation, if your going to say stuff you heard add all sides of the story please

Well as Richard Dunne is quoted "SI has been quoted in the media that he was bulied by certain members of the squad, he has had the opportunity to correct this and has not done so"

while my words are not 100% accurate I have the correct gist of it and SI has not contested the remarks.

His family situation is possibly true and possibly not true but his actions since have done nothing for him and I for one at this stage hope he never wears the green of Ireland again.

mypost

12/05/2008, 2:35 PM

Defence isn't his priority

Neither has playing for his country.

superfrank

12/05/2008, 3:00 PM

Neither has playing for his country.
And what does that have to do with his performance yesterday? :confused: :rolleyes:

Emmet

12/05/2008, 3:09 PM

Stephen Ireland does have some ability - I'm not saying he is completely useless - but it is not in the best interests of the team to have someone in there who is unhappy and who fundamentally does not want to be there. At the end of the day, it's his choice and like I said before if he wanted to be a part of the Irish set-up he would have come out and publicly made that very clear. He has not done that which demonstrates that he does not want to play for Ireland. All of us will have our own thoughts on that but ultimately that is his prerogagtive and we need to accept that and move on. There are other players who do want to play for Ireland - those are the guys we should be talking about!

mypost

12/05/2008, 3:29 PM

And what does that have to do with his performance yesterday? :confused: :rolleyes:

It's more evidence that he plays as an individual, and not a committed team player.

Razors left peg

12/05/2008, 3:35 PM

It's more evidence that he plays as an individual, and not a committed team player.

So by your reckoning that must apply to every Man City player that played yesterday??

mypost

12/05/2008, 3:43 PM

So by your reckoning that must apply to every Man City player that played yesterday??

Are we talking about SI here or MC?? :confused: :rolleyes:

Razors left peg

12/05/2008, 3:52 PM

Are we talking about SI here or MC?? :confused: :rolleyes:

you said that Steven Ireland proved yesterday that he is an individual rather than a team player because of that defeat.... Im just asking you if the same applys to every other player that played for man city yesterday or is it just your obvious dislike for Steven Ireland that leads you to make comments like that?

placid casual

12/05/2008, 4:00 PM

i read a newspaper article recently where stephen ireland was regarded as "grossly immature" and "mildly retarded".
i think thats the crux of the matter.
he is simply not the full shilling .
any talk of him betraying his country is frankly mistakenly crediting him with brains he doesnt have.

Razors left peg

12/05/2008, 4:04 PM

Paddy Garcia

12/05/2008, 7:43 PM

i read a newspaper article recently where stephen ireland was regarded as "grossly immature" and "mildly retarded".
i think thats the crux of the matter.

I don't think that's right. I read he was mildly immature & grossly retarded.

The Legend

12/05/2008, 9:57 PM

I don't think that's right. I read he was mildly immature & grossly retarded.

Ha, no wonder he was bullied!

Greenforever

12/05/2008, 9:58 PM

Ha, no wonder he was bullied!

im just suprised he knows he was bullied, or did his grannies tell him:D

SilkCut

12/05/2008, 11:48 PM

Greenforever

13/05/2008, 12:09 AM

If it is true that he was bullied by team mates then that is wrong full stop and the management team need to weed out the players involved and make it clear that it is not acceptable or welcome. Hang those involved out to dry and make a very public example of them. Bullying should not be tolerated in any walk of life regardless of the effects the punishments may have on the success of the team. If the bullying rumours are true then I would be the first to retract any negative comments I made about the guy.

Richard Dunne has been quoted on this

The media has reported that SI was bullied by his colleagues, he has had the opportunity to deny these allegations and has chosen not to

not dunnes exact words but he was very ****sed off that SI did not deny the allegations

SI has alienated himself from so many people at this stage that for him to return at the moment is highly unlikely and probably would only have a detrimental effect on team morale.

elroy

13/05/2008, 8:17 AM

Greenforever

13/05/2008, 8:41 AM

Its a new set up a new beginning. All it should take is an apology from SI to the squad on the first day back and that be the end of it. We're not blessed with good players so we need him in the squad.

Are you living on a different planet, or is it alirght for SI to send his apology from whereever he is on the day they meet up as he has indicated no intention of being in Dublin

tetsujin1979

13/05/2008, 9:12 AM

Are you living on a different planet, or is it alirght for SI to send his apology from whereever he is on the day they meet up as he has indicated no intention of being in DublinThe only official word from Ireland himself is that he never told anyone that he didn't want to play for his country again and that he's looking forward to working with Trapattoni. Anything else is hearsay and speculation

galwayhoop

13/05/2008, 9:16 AM

you dont, you threw in the one rumour that would suit your case more, you failed to add his family situation, if your going to say stuff you heard add all sides of the story please

ok, these are all the stories he told (or allowed to be told without refuting them):

allegedly, his grandmother (maternal) died

allegedly, his grandmother (paternal) died

allegedly, his girlfriend had miscarriage

allegedly, he was slagged off about getting a hair transplant.

(forgive my cynicism but it reminds me of the boy who cried wolf.......)

Apparently one of the above stories is true, or has an element of truth to it. Ever since the said story (whichever one is true) occurred he has stated he is not in the correct mind frame to play for Ireland (the country) although he has no problem playing week in week out for his club.

When he told his first porkie he was given the use of a private jet to fly home to grieve for his grandmother, no questions asked by FAI.

He has been given the opportunity to resurrect his international career but apparently he has chosen not too.

Good riddance.

If any of the first 3 stories were to be true then there is no reason whatsoever preventing him from playing for Ireland (the country) as all are just unfortunate occurrences that can happen throughout life. If the fourth story is true then he really needs to get a life. Anyone who played football, at any level, needs to be able to put up with a little dressing room banter - if you are not then stick to individual sports.

Greenforever

13/05/2008, 9:44 AM

The only official word from Ireland himself is that he never told anyone that he didn't want to play for his country again and that he's looking forward to working with Trapattoni. Anything else is hearsay and speculation

Maybe he just wants a private jet in both directions :rolleyes:

Greenforever

13/05/2008, 9:45 AM

MOds - any chance of a poll on this, do we really want SI back

Yes

Yes after an apology

No

Kingdom

13/05/2008, 10:01 AM

ok, these are all the stories he told (or allowed to be told without refuting them):

allegedly, his grandmother (maternal) died

allegedly, his grandmother (paternal) died

allegedly, his girlfriend had miscarriage

allegedly, he was slagged off about getting a hair transplant.

(forgive my cynicism but it reminds me of the boy who cried wolf.......)

Apparently one of the above stories is true, or has an element of truth to it. Ever since the said story (whichever one is true) occurred he has stated he is not in the correct mind frame to play for Ireland (the country) although he has no problem playing week in week out for his club.

When he told his first porkie he was given the use of a private jet to fly home to grieve for his grandmother, no questions asked by FAI.

He has been given the opportunity to resurrect his international career but apparently he has chosen not too.

Good riddance.

If any of the first 3 stories were to be true then there is no reason whatsoever preventing him from playing for Ireland (the country) as all are just unfortunate occurrences that can happen throughout life. If the fourth story is true then he really needs to get a life. Anyone who played football, at any level, needs to be able to put up with a little dressing room banter - if you are not then stick to individual sports.

Wow you read my mind! :D

As for the highlighted bit, I have to agree to it to a certain extent. Bullying isn't nice. I got my fair share of it as a kid, you deal with it. But in the context of a football team, particuarily in a professional capacity (by this i refer to the copious amounts of money, time and a need to use both), banter is part and parcel, I would have thought anyway?
By the by, having allegedly used the bullying card once in his defence, I would imagine he's going to be the consumate professional for the rest of his days and not partake in any banter, be it physical or verbal, cause that would just make him a hypocrite! ;)

gustavo

13/05/2008, 10:06 AM

MOds - any chance of a poll on this, do we really want SI back

Yes

Yes after an apology

No

added

dr_peepee

13/05/2008, 10:20 AM

Anyone who played football, at any level, needs to be able to put up with a little dressing room banter - if you are not then stick to individual sports.

Good point and Agreed. 'Bullying' is bantered about too loosely nowadays for my liking.... It's the new 'Bulemia' in the celeb mags... "My bullying hell" by Mondo from Fair City, or something..

The type of dressing room banter that could be contrued as Bullying in some quarter could also be construed as bonding in others. My mates are always patting my bald head for luck, pinching my belly to hear my girlish laugh.

I suppose it's about context and that's subjective. If his presence impacts teams spirit in that everyones on tenderhooks then it's not worth it.

tetsujin1979

13/05/2008, 11:04 AM

My mates are always patting my bald head for luck, pinching my belly to hear my girlish laugh.
that doesn't sound like they like you at all. tomorrow, you should punch lenny in the back of the head!

Kingdom

13/05/2008, 12:04 PM

:D
that doesn't sound like they like you at all. tomorrow, you should punch lenny in the back of the head!

Ha ha genius!

geysir

13/05/2008, 12:25 PM

I am beginning to feel a jilt coming on.

Maybe it's best to get the retaliation in first.

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RivaldoBabb

13/05/2008, 1:25 PM

Its a new set up a new beginning. All it should take is an apology from SI to the squad on the first day back and that be the end of it. We're not blessed with good players so we need him in the squad.

I disagree, I think we can do fine without him.

I cant believe we are still talking about him, his attitude stinks, he isnt really that interested in playing for us and he isnt actually that good.

Lets move on, for the love of God...