Shane Long [Archive]

Peadar

12/09/2006, 9:45 AM

Stuttgart88

12/09/2006, 10:15 AM

Robbie & Doyle excluded, he's now playing at a higher level than any other Irish forward. Has he come off the bench in every game so far this season?

Dodge

12/09/2006, 10:33 AM

Never seen him before last night but impressed greatly in his 20 minutes. Shocked to read he hasn't been called up to the Under21 squad

drinkfeckarse

12/09/2006, 10:36 AM

Can't understand the shock really, this IS Givens we are talking about...

Peadar

12/09/2006, 10:45 AM

Has he come off the bench in every game so far this season?

No, he wasn't on the bench against 'Boro because Kitson started and Lita was on the bench. He has however, featured in the last 3 league games.

Cox was loaned out to Brentford or someone for a month so that takes a bit of the pressure off Shane.

joema

12/09/2006, 10:45 AM

Hes on a 5 game international ban for spitting at a Turkey player - he denies it - he says he never spat but the player went up to the linesman and showed him spit on his jersey and Long is now banned

Cabt find link but it was on elevenaside a while ago

eirebhoy

12/09/2006, 11:04 AM

Hes on a 5 game international ban for spitting at a Turkey player - he denies it - he says he never spat but the player went up to the linesman and showed him spit on his jersey and Long is now banned

Got there before me. :)

http://www.eleven-a-side.com/acrossthewater/irish_soccer_detail.asp?newsid=24295

tetsujin1979

12/09/2006, 11:05 AM

Anyone see Reading v Manchester City last night?
Shane Long replaced �1m striker, Leroy Lita.
Long was full of running for the last 20 minutes and had a lovely flick on with his head for Doyle. Doyle was denied with a goal line clearance.

I watched him a few times last season at Reading and he's got bags of potential. How the hell is he not getting called up to the Ireland U21 squad? He's got such a great attitude and looks more than comfortable in the Premiership.

Yep, I was watching the game:
Posted this elsewhere

Thought Doyle was poor last night until late on when he had 1 decent chance and 1 shot that was going in after rounding the keeper, until Distin intervened to put it out for a corner. Long did well when he came on, showed good pace and control against a tiring Man City defence.
Dunne kept Doyle very quiet all night until late on (which is when Doyle had his best spell) when he was sent forward in search of an equaliser. Along with Weaver was probably Man City's most consistent player of the night, although he'll be disappointed he didn't get his head to the cross that led to Reading's goal.
No sign of Ireland, Hamann took his place on the bench.

Peadar

12/09/2006, 11:10 AM

Thought Doyle was poor last night until late on when he had 1 decent chance and 1 shot that was going in after rounding the keeper...

In fairness, the supply to the Reading forwards was rubbish throughout.

On another note, Long gets a 5 match ban for allegedly spitting on a Turk (we all know how they love to cheat, probably spat on himself) and Zidane gets a 3 match ban for violent assault. A ban which he can't serve!
There's something seriously wrong here, like!

Donal81

12/09/2006, 11:31 AM

While I respect the need for our underage squads and take great interest in them, surely if a player is playing in the Premier League it's time to call him up to the full squad?

I've heard the argument before that the U-21 team provides much development. Surely he's getting ten times as much development with his club, compared to a few matches a year with the U-21 team.

My point here is that Robbie Keane was playing for Ireland by the time he was 18, right? Given wasn't much older. If they're good enough, they're surely old enough. If Long gets a few more games and proves he's as good as Reading fans say he is, call him up.

Stuttgart88

12/09/2006, 11:35 AM

What's the difference between Long & Terry Dixon?

Long plays in the Premiership, Dixon in Spurs reserves (at best)
Long doesn't get in the senior squad, Dixon does.
Long doesn't have dual nationality, Dixon does.

One thing I've noticed about Long is that he's simply not phased. Some young lads get caught in the headlights, Long the opposite. The guy seems like a natural winner.

endabob1

12/09/2006, 11:49 AM

I don't think there's any doubt the fast-tracking of Dixon is to ensure he is ours and not snapped up by England although to be fair to the lad he has been adamant that he is Irish.
For the record he wasn't in the Spurs reserves side last night and it was a young enough side.

tetsujin1979

12/09/2006, 12:17 PM

My point here is that Robbie Keane was playing for Ireland by the time he was 18, right? Given wasn't much older.
Keane was a regular in the Wolves starting XI at that point, Given won promotion with Sunderland while he was on loan there, and lost his place to Alan Kelly in the senior side for the start of the 2002 qualifiers.
Keane, Given, and duff to a lesser extent were fast tracked into the senior side to replace some of the retiring players when they finished the qualifiers for France 98, I don't think we're in the same situation right now, we have several strikers playing regularly in the top 2 divisions in England, and some options at home, so is there really a need to bring in the likes of Long, Stokes, Clarke, etc when they can play more regularly at lower level? Be honest, of those 3 who do you see them displacing in the senior side?

pete

12/09/2006, 1:09 PM

Long doesn't get in the senior squad, Dixon does.
Long doesn't have dual nationality, Dixon does.

Like i've said before irish need not apply for the Ireland squad.

:(

Donal81

12/09/2006, 1:20 PM

Keane, Given, and duff to a lesser extent were fast tracked into the senior side to replace some of the retiring players when they finished the qualifiers for France 98, I don't think we're in the same situation right now, we have several strikers playing regularly in the top 2 divisions in England, and some options at home, so is there really a need to bring in the likes of Long, Stokes, Clarke, etc when they can play more regularly at lower level? Be honest, of those 3 who do you see them displacing in the senior side?

I was only talking about Long, not Stokes or Clarke, neither of whom are near a Premier League side and I said if he proved himself, why not call him up. Fair point about Robbie being fasttracked into the squad but - and I know this is hypothetical - would he not have been called up anyway?

My point was that someone like McGeady, for example, was called up several times to the U-21s when he was already playing regularly for Celtic and he was an obvious option for the full squad. If he's good enough, call him up.

garykelly

12/09/2006, 1:53 PM

so is there really a need to bring in the likes of Long, Stokes, Clarke, etc when they can play more regularly at lower level? Be honest, of those 3 who do you see them displacing in the senior side?

prob nobody in actual side but in squad terms long maybe better than alan o'brien (behind duff and N'zogbia at newcastle) or Terry Dixon ( Spurs Youth), or maybe even Andy Reid (shocking form).

Fergie's Son

12/09/2006, 3:08 PM

Like i've said before irish need not apply for the Ireland squad.

:(

Oh stop being so melodramatic. That has nothing to do with it. Staunton wants to shore up Dixon and it's as simple as that. In the match against Germany, 8 out of the starting 11 were born in Ireland.

endabob1

12/09/2006, 3:14 PM

Like i've said before irish need not apply for the Ireland squad.

:(

Are you therefore suggesting that those not born in Ireland are less Irish than those who are?

elroy

12/09/2006, 3:27 PM

Thought Long did quite well when he came on, although city were down to ten and pushin forward. He had one or two nice flick ons which is something neither of our strikers were able to supply to each other in germany.
However, do think its too early to expect him to be in the senior team, but should be in U21 team.

Dodge

12/09/2006, 4:49 PM

Are you therefore suggesting that those not born in Ireland are less Irish than those who are?

Mod bitRegardless of what Pete posted, DO NOT start this debate again. We've been over at least 1000 times End mod bit

Plastic Paddy

12/09/2006, 8:30 PM

Mod bitRegardless of what Pete posted, DO NOT start this debate again. We've been over at least 1000 times End mod bit

Another mod's rhetorical question Why is such blatant trolling tolerated though? End another mod's bit

(Sorry Dodge, had to ask. Would welcome some enlightenment.)

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pete

12/09/2006, 9:01 PM

Are you therefore suggesting that those not born in Ireland are less Irish than those who are?

No. I never said that so don't be dragging off into that debate.

What i am saying is that you have better chance of an Ireland cap if you have dual nationality. i.e. you will get just to ensure you can't declare for anyone else. Is that fair on single nationality players?

Dodge

12/09/2006, 11:33 PM

Another mod's rhetorical question Why is such blatant trolling tolerated though? End another mod's bit

(Sorry Dodge, had to ask. Would welcome some enlightenment.)

:ball: PP

Its not. Just wanted to stop the "he started it" excuse.

FootballsKing

13/09/2006, 9:27 AM

should we lose 2 more qualification games i say out with the dead wood and in with the likes of long, stokes, clarke, garvan etc. no use in giving kilbane and others games for the sake of it. although in saying this there is a serious arguement for getting long in particuler in the squad post haste. stokes is playing SPL football at the moment, and while it is by no means the premiership, if he grabs his chance against 60,000 at celtic park i dont see why he couldnt play against san marino and the likes. the same applies for garvan-a quality championship player and the fact is that san marino would easily be relegated from both the SPL and the premiership. in conclusion get long in as soon as possible

Stuttgart88

13/09/2006, 9:35 AM

Given that Owen Garvan can't get out of bed unassisted at the moment I think playing him against San Marino mightn't be wise.

I think we only had for forwards in the Germany squad. There's definitely room for a 5th and Long's claim to that place is as good as anyone else's really.

Peadar

13/09/2006, 9:40 AM

Given that Owen Garvan can't get out of bed unassisted at the moment I think playing him against San Marino mightn't be wise.

Poor Owen.
On a positive note though, Billy Clarke is doing well.
Billy for Ireland. :)

endabob1

13/09/2006, 10:08 AM

No. I never said that so don't be dragging off into that debate.

What i am saying is that you have better chance of an Ireland cap if you have dual nationality. i.e. you will get just to ensure you can't declare for anyone else. Is that fair on single nationality players?

Firstly - Fair enough, just asking the question, happy to accept that's not the road you were going down. It's easy to mis-interpret stuff like that.

I don't agree with the Dual-nationality argument though, the only one who could be considered is Dixon and since he was brought on for the U21's in a competive game he's comitted now. It's a dangerous game trying to second guess what's going on in Stan's brain (I'm not even sure he knows himself!) but him saying he would have played in the Holland game was made after a 4-0 hiding when he could easily have been trying to deflect the scrutiny away from how bad we were that night. He said he called him in to the squad originally as a 'reward' for his performances with the U17's but has since changed his tune.

There's plenty of dual nationality players who've made noises about playing for Ireland Kevin Gallen being one, who were told where to go.

drinkfeckarse

15/09/2006, 12:59 PM

Have they actually diagnosed anything with Garvan yet? Must be very worrying and frustrating if they haven't.

Stuttgart88

15/09/2006, 1:59 PM

Post Viral Syndrome or whatever it's called. Basically he's got no energy, like having ME or glandular fever I think.

bmozza

15/09/2006, 2:18 PM

My mate had that, he was f'cked for months, couldn't go to work or anything, just confined to the bed.
I'd say that could well be end of season for him....by the time he recovers he'll need another couple of months to get match fit.

gufct

15/09/2006, 2:20 PM

Lads Shane Long is suspended for 5 International games so he cant be called up for any squad.As for Anthony Stokes he was useless in Irelands last u21 game in Terryland and has areal big time charlie ego despite plying his trade with Falkirk. Some of the postings on this thread are inane to say the least.

Stuttgart88

15/09/2006, 2:42 PM

the 11-a-side article dated 3rd September says Long has 2 games of his ban left. If the interview was before the game in Galway that'd mean he's got one game left, meaning he could be in the Czech squad. But it looks like he's ineligible until San Marino.

gufct

15/09/2006, 3:57 PM

so why slam people for not picking him?

dr_peepee

15/09/2006, 6:11 PM

Personally, subject to injuries and availibility to others, I wouldn't pick him yet even if he was eligable. No more than I'd pick Dixon or Alan O' Brien either.... But that's just me.

shakermaker1982

15/09/2006, 7:59 PM

with Elliott out get him in!

gustavo

15/09/2006, 10:52 PM

I'd rather the claims of at least 5 strikers ahead of him at the moment

pete

15/09/2006, 11:17 PM

He would be better served by a few U21 games as wouldn't be used in a senior qualifier.

graham_d

18/09/2006, 9:36 AM

He would be better served by a few U21 games as wouldn't be used in a senior qualifier.

Speaking of which, have we got any U21 games coming up? No qualifiers now of course, which means there should be more choice of opponents. Does it count as stirring if I suggest the 'B' internationals?? :rolleyes:

ken foree

19/09/2006, 6:24 PM

the lad Long looks to be involved in reading's game in the carling cup, good luck to him.

ken foree

19/09/2006, 7:55 PM

yikes but it's darlo who have over half the possession and have led twice. lita with two equalizers for reading.

tetsujin1979

19/09/2006, 8:02 PM

Graham Stack in goals too, one of the goals was a penalty, the other Hunt was beaten for pace when the ball came back in from a corner, and left the defence 3 on 2

princeofoslo

19/09/2006, 9:31 PM

don�t know what you mean about Kevin Gallen he wanted to play for Ireland at the time but was put under pressure by QPR manger Trevor Francis that he would lose his place if he declared for us, the chap never recovered from that decision.
Long is not ready for Ireland ( he reminds me of Micheal Reddy) Let him develop first, though I am worried with Given as manager, if playing for the under 21s will ruin him. Jesus we have the worst setup in Europe Givens under 21 and Stan and Robson with the national team. Begining to wonder if Robsons senility is contagious. Seems that way when Stan doesn�t even know which of his players have played against each other

ken foree

19/09/2006, 10:57 PM

hunt and long hit their penos in the shootout but doyle missed his, reading won 4-2

A face

24/09/2006, 8:54 PM

Anyone see Reading v Manchester City last night?
How the hell is he not getting called up to the Ireland U21 squad?

Simple ... Don Givens didn't make any money from him. He will only play players that he can 'advise' ..... if he were to play Long then he would have one place less to have the possibility to 'advise' them.

Superhoops

25/09/2006, 12:05 AM

don�t know what you mean about Kevin Gallen he wanted to play for Ireland at the time but was put under pressure by QPR manger Trevor Francis that he would lose his place if he declared for us, the chap never recovered from that decision
Trevor Francis left QPR in 1990, long before Kevin Gallen signed as a professional there in 1992, when he was 17. The manager then was Gerry Francis.

The issue about declaring for Ireland or England was nothing to do with losing his place at QPR. He was offered a better contract if he declared for England as his transfer value would increase because of the 'three foreigner' rule that was in place at the time. By declaring for Ireland, he would be limited by the number of foreigners at a club, but by declaring for England there were more options available and was more 'saleable' by QPR, hence the better contract. He played for England Schoolboys before signing professional. After signing pro at QPR he played for England at U-18 (won a Eurpean championship?) and U-21.

He made his QPR debut at Old Trafford on the opening day of the season in 1994/95, just a few months before Gerry Francis left QPR and was replaced by Ray Wilkins. There was talk at the time of Man.Utd. being interested in signing him.

Kevin's brothers Joe and Stephen both player underage football for Ireland but Kevin chose England for financial reasons. It backfired badly on him when he was badly injured at QPR in the second game in the 1996/97 season and missed the rest of the season. He was never the same player after that and never got the big money move he was after.

His interest in playing for Ireland was resurrected during Brian Kerr's tenure, and even though we were short of forwards he was way past his best by then.