SPL Discussion Thread [Archive] - Page 38

TiocfaidhArmani

19/08/2011, 11:18 AM

Celtic fury at link to BNP youth

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/3756341/Celtic-fury-at-link-to-BNP-youth.html

OUTRAGED Celtic fans vented their fury last night after a teen BNP chief was pictured posing with top figures at the club.

One fan, called Robert Emmet, said: "Ban the **** from Parkhead publicly and immediately."
Another wrote: "How can you support Celtic given the history and ethos of our club? The fact Celtic was built by immigrants must make them (the BNP) despise our club.
"Does the BNP care where the immigrants come from, do they differ from Irish to Polish to Asian? I doubt it very much."

King 0kev added: "How can someone, raised as a Celtic supporter knowing our history, attach himself to a load of right-wing fundamentalists who want to blame immigrants for everything."

TiocfaidhArmani

19/08/2011, 11:20 AM

Take my advice Robert, I don't think it's safe for you to show your mug around Celtic Park for a while going off the reaction to this news on the online forums. Some folk really wanna bump into you at the games:D

Lionel Ritchie

19/08/2011, 11:55 AM

TiocfaidhArmani

19/08/2011, 12:12 PM

I've often used a figure of speech "confused as an Asian skinhead" ...that's about the closest I've seen to it's personification. Well him and this guy ...

You know the English Defence League? There's a Scottish version (SDL) and one of their leaders is an Asian (descent anway) who wants no more immigration from Asia:D

Can't see your pic in work so sorry if it's of him!

old git

01/09/2011, 10:07 AM

Hibs4Ever

01/09/2011, 10:16 AM

anybody have any views on yesterdays decision by a scottish jury & court to find hearts fan not guilty of assualt on Neil lennon during last seasons hearts V celtic game ?? he admitted assualt in court and it was caught on camera .. yet court still cleared him as charges " NOT PROVEN " Love or loathe lennon this decision is hard to understand.

Admitted assault, but not sectarianism. Celtic wanted him charged for both. The sectarinism couldn't be proven (despite a Hearts steward as their main witness). If prosecutors had just charged him for the assualt alone, he'd have been done

old git

01/09/2011, 2:19 PM

Admitted assault, but not sectarianism. Celtic wanted him charged for both. The sectarinism couldn't be proven (despite a Hearts steward as their main witness). If prosecutors had just charged him for the assualt alone, he'd have been done

Still think the court should have made an example of him after all the abuse & threats lennon received last season the rest of the die hard loonys out there may be thinking they are above the law now ??

BonnieShels

01/09/2011, 5:22 PM

OwlsFan

02/09/2011, 9:37 AM

Still think the court should have made an example of him after all the abuse & threats lennon received last season the rest of the die hard loonys out there may be thinking they are above the law now ??

You can't make an example of someone because of what others have done or may do. You have to deal with the person's offence(s) only.

Shaun Maloney gone again.

Hibs4ever, what has gone wrong at Easter Road?

TiocfaidhArmani

05/09/2011, 8:43 AM

Admitted assault, but not sectarianism. Celtic wanted him charged for both. The sectarinism couldn't be proven (despite a Hearts steward as their main witness). If prosecutors had just charged him for the assualt alone, he'd have been done

How do you know Celtic wanted him to be done for both? It wasn't Celtic who drew up the charge. Nobody from Celtic said he said anything sectarian, so don't be blaming it on us. I knew a jury would never convict him of it. Scotland is the best little bigoted country in the world. Anti-catholicism is never far from the surface here.

TiocfaidhArmani

05/09/2011, 12:14 PM

80th anniversary of the death of John Thompson, the Scottish international killed in an accident while diving at a Rangers players feet. His grave was attacked with blue paint the weekend. Seriously, I give up with that mob of sh*t.

TiocfaidhArmani

11/09/2011, 10:30 AM

I see Celtic wore the National Famine Memorial Day emblem on their jersey yesterday. Nice to see.

http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac145/PeelCeltic/SPL11-12/Motherwell/2-0c.jpg

bennocelt

11/09/2011, 4:33 PM

All things to everyman then!

OwlsFan

16/09/2011, 10:08 AM

For Celtic fans I believe the European Cup Final which Celtic won is being shown in its entirely on ESP Classic on Saturday at 5.30 I think. Best double check.

old git

16/09/2011, 7:43 PM

For Celtic fans I believe the European Cup Final which Celtic won is being shown in its entirely on ESP Classic on Saturday at 5.30 I think. Best double check.

which was the last time celtic won away from home in a european game :D:D feels like that at the moment, will be well worth a watch to see a local home grown bunch of players beating the mighty inter milan with a brilliant performance described by jock stein "We did it by playing football; pure, beautiful, inventive football. There was not a negative thought in our heads."

TiocfaidhArmani

17/09/2011, 11:43 AM

which was the last time celtic won away from home in a european game :D:D feels like that at the moment, will be well worth a watch to see a local home grown bunch of players beating the mighty inter milan with a brilliant performance described by jock stein "We did it by playing football; pure, beautiful, inventive football. There was not a negative thought in our heads."

Dinama Moscow, two years ago.

TiocfaidhArmani

26/09/2011, 11:53 AM

Celtic have begun a study into the feasibility of bringing standing sections back to top-flight football.

Scottish Premier League stadia have been all-seated since 1994 but STV has learned that the possibility of introducing a standing section to Celtic Park is being investigated.

Letters have been issued to Celtic shareholders ahead of their AGM in mid-October and among proposed resolutions is a proposal by the Celtic Supporters Trust, though not the directors, to make alterations to the ground

The proposal details supporters thoughts on the issue and points out both social and financial benefits for supporters.

A response from the board within the document confirms that steps are already being taken to consider the viability of such a move.

It reads: “The Board welcomes the Trust’s interest in this issue and is pleased to confirm that a feasibility study is already underway, under the direction of the Chief Executive.”

Although law currently prevents standing areas for top flight clubs in England and Wales, there is no such legislation in Scots law. However, Scottish Premier League rules currently prevent standing within grounds in their competition.

STV understands that eight of the 12 member clubs would have to vote in favour of a change to the rules on the issue but should Celtic’s study return positive conclusions the matter may be put before the League.

Reposted it here, put it in a thread on its own to kinda maybe get a discussion about getting terracing back into football so bit harsh locking it but hey-ho.

ArdeeBhoy

26/09/2011, 10:54 PM

Yeah why was it locked?? Hardly controversial by the standards of much on here.

For advocating drinking during games??

TiocfaidhArmani

27/09/2011, 11:57 AM

Yeah why was it locked?? Hardly controversial by the standards of much on here.

For advocating drinking during games??

I think it was because I should have put it in this thread because it's to do with Celtic, thought they could have merged the threads but hey-ho.

Poor Student

31/10/2011, 5:02 PM

Rangers appear to be going the way of Cork and Derry. Looks like they're on the verge of administration and probably going bust if the UK Revenue wins their case against them. The plan seems to be to transfer the club and its assets to a new holding company. SPL rules means they'll have to apply for readmission and receive a vote of at least 10 to 1 in favour. They'll be precluded from applying for a UEFA licence for 3 years which is tantamount to a 3 year ban from Europe.

pineapple stu

01/11/2011, 9:16 AM

SPL rules means they'll have to apply for readmission and receive a vote of at least 10 to 1 in favour.
Readmission to the SPL? So they could go bust and just start back in the same division? Or would they have to go down to Div 3?

You'd have to imagine they'd receive the ten votes given how much money Rangers home games are worth to clubs.

OwlsFan

01/11/2011, 9:34 AM

Might make it a decent title race if they are deducted 20 points or some such.

Poor Student

01/11/2011, 10:29 AM

Readmission to the SPL? So they could go bust and just start back in the same division? Or would they have to go down to Div 3?

You'd have to imagine they'd receive the ten votes given how much money Rangers home games are worth to clubs.

They can be readmitted straight to the top flight if the vote goes in the favour. Yeah, on a financial basis you could see it happening, however, they'd essentially have gotten away with cheating their competitors (they've won the best part of 7 leagues since they started using their offshore method of paying players) and the UK taxpayer (the tax bill plus penalties is estimated to run into �50m).

pineapple stu

01/11/2011, 10:43 AM

What about Hampden? Presumably the best use for it, if the State takes it over in payment for the debts, is to rent it back to Rangers? Or is it even owned by the club?

Poor Student

01/11/2011, 11:02 AM

What about Hampden? Presumably the best use for it, if the State takes it over in payment for the debts, is to rent it back to Rangers? Or is it even owned by the club?

Ibrox you mean? Hampden is Queen's Park's stadium but yeah, they do own Ibrox. The intention is for all the assets to be transferred to a new company so all that's left is the debt. I don't quite know how that works but it seems to be what's going to happen.

pineapple stu

01/11/2011, 11:35 AM

Ibrox, sorry. :o

I'd be fairly sure you can't just transfer a massive asset out of the company and leave just the debt in anticipation of a winding-up order.

Poor Student

01/11/2011, 11:52 AM

Ibrox, sorry. :o

I'd be fairly sure you can't just transfer a massive asset out of the company and leave just the debt in anticipation of a winding-up order.

Actually now that I think about it, it's a bit more complicated. Rangers were recently taken over by a fella called Craig Whyte. At the time they owed �18m to Llyods. A holding company of his took over this debt and he himself is one of Rangers' biggest (currently the biggest) creditors. I believe he also has an arrangement where he is the first creditor to be paid. I think this situation facilitiates this asset transfer. It's a very complicated situation.

TiocfaidhArmani

02/11/2011, 11:47 AM

Actually now that I think about it, it's a bit more complicated. Rangers were recently taken over by a fella called Craig Whyte. At the time they owed �18m to Llyods. A holding company of his took over this debt and he himself is one of Rangers' biggest (currently the biggest) creditors. I believe he also has an arrangement where he is the first creditor to be paid. I think this situation facilitiates this asset transfer. It's a very complicated situation.

He has a history of taking over a company struggling and liquidating it and then taking the spoils. BBC did a documentary on him and this guy is dodgy to say the least. They won so many titles by spending crazy amounts of money they didn't earn and through dodging tax through dodgy schemes so I look forward to them paying the piper and getting punished heavily. They were once in �76 million debt and David Murray transferred neary �50 million to MIH, his own company. They are a disgrace of a club, and with their constant shaming of Scotland abroad I hope they are liquidated.

OwlsFan

02/11/2011, 4:22 PM

They are a disgrace of a club, and with their constant shaming of Scotland abroad I hope they are liquidated.

Be careful for what you wish. No Rangers = no Celtic of the size it is and vice versa. If Rangers didn't exist I would expect Celtic's crowds to drop dramatically in what would be a one horse race for many years until Rangers Mark 2 rose from the ashes.

TiocfaidhArmani

02/11/2011, 4:39 PM

Be careful for what you wish. No Rangers = no Celtic of the size it is and vice versa. If Rangers didn't exist I would expect Celtic's crowds to drop dramatically in what would be a one horse race for many years until Rangers Mark 2 rose from the ashes.

It did no harm in the 90's when we were finishing fourth and fifth in the league and were in a right mess not even challenging.

I'm not saying I want them totally gone but I want them severely hurt by this. They deserve it, they had a lot of glory overspending and then moving their debts elsewhere and dodging tax.

Poor Student

02/11/2011, 9:26 PM

Be careful for what you wish. No Rangers = no Celtic of the size it is and vice versa. If Rangers didn't exist I would expect Celtic's crowds to drop dramatically in what would be a one horse race for many years until Rangers Mark 2 rose from the ashes.

Rangers rise from the mid-80's onwards has coincided with the downfall of every other Scottish club. Through heavy borrowing and latterly the EBT tax avoidance scandal they raised the bar for spending through the roof in an unsustainable way. Over this period all other rivals aside from Celtic fell away and either came close to going bust or at least racked up huge debts. Celtic have reeled in their spending over the past 5-6 years operating essentially debt free and have struggled to keep up. What use is a rival who dodges tax and continually beats you with the money saved? It's like Irish football of recent years. Celtic continued to be healthy when they were vying with Aberdeen, Dundee United and Hearts for the title while Rangers languished mid-table.

culloty82

03/11/2011, 7:55 AM

Hearts could be wound-up today. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-15566905)

TiocfaidhArmani

03/11/2011, 11:08 AM

Hearts could be wound-up today. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-15566905)

That says they paid �500,000 to stop it. Their owner is very dodgy indeed. Seems to be racking up some amount of debt. They can get crowds of 15,000, which is very decent but think they're paying over the odds for their players re in wages.

OwlsFan

14/11/2011, 9:29 AM

TiocfaidhArmani

14/11/2011, 3:17 PM

Yeah for chanting Paddy McCourt's Fenian Army. What a joke. The police approached UEFA. Did nothing about it themselves, didn't approach anyone from Celtic who were paying them to police the event but goes straight to the UEFA delegate. Some orange monkey with an axe to grind.

We didn't sing anything about any other group. It's like Spurs singing 'Yid Army'. They're singing about themselves. A total joke.

sullanefc

14/11/2011, 7:25 PM

I see Celtic are to be up before UEFA for "illicit chanting", with some of the complaints coming from their own fans.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/nov/14/celtic-uefa-illicit-chanting-europa-league

But I thought they were the best fans in the world ever???

ArdeeBhoy

14/11/2011, 9:46 PM

They're normally amongst the better ones out there.

On the evidence of Friday night, we may need to look a bit closer to home...

OwlsFan

15/11/2011, 10:11 AM

They're normally amongst the better ones out there.

On the evidence of Friday night, we may need to look a bit closer to home...

For the best fans ?

Yeah for chanting Paddy McCourt's Fenian Army. What a joke. The police approached UEFA. Did nothing about it themselves, didn't approach anyone from Celtic who were paying them to police the event but goes straight to the UEFA delegate. Some orange monkey with an axe to grind.

"Paddy McCourt's Fenian Army" - that's hardnly a hanging offence. I would be surprised if that's what it is since Fenians haven't been around since the late 19th century and the word is usually used in a pejorative sense by the "other side".

Some orange monkey with an axe to grind.

You could be up before UEFA yourself for that one!

TiocfaidhArmani

22/11/2011, 4:36 PM

But I thought they were the best fans in the world ever???

We're certainly up there.

On the evidence of Friday night, we may need to look a bit closer to home...

No chance. European nights are far superior than that. I don't think that was that great an atmosphere for such a huge game. Maybe the game itself being pretty dull had something to do with it not quite hitting its potential.

And Ireland fans finally hit the 50k mark for a massive game, we get around the figure even for St Johnstone. Ireland fans are awful, great bandwagon mind you.

Not Brazil

13/12/2011, 12:26 PM

I see Celtic are to be up before UEFA for "illicit chanting", with some of the complaints coming from their own fans.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/nov/14/celtic-uefa-illicit-chanting-europa-league

A rap on the knuckles for the naughty Bhoys.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16137728.stm

TiocfaidhArmani

20/12/2011, 12:44 PM

The SPL have given the go-ahead for 'safe standing areas', which is great to see. There's a few hurdles left but no reason why this can't be implemented.

Hibs4Ever

20/12/2011, 1:27 PM

And Ireland fans finally hit the 50k mark for a massive game, we get around the figure even for St Johnstone.

No you don't. Quit spouting ****e FFS

Ireland fans are awful, great bandwagon mind you.

Coming from a Celtc fan that's priceless. Can you go a day without embarrassing yourself on here?

ArdeeBhoy

20/12/2011, 10:05 PM

To be fair before the recession Celtic's average was 58k, the 5th highest in Europe.
Around 5k travelling over from Ireland for every game, even 2-3k for SPL midweek fixtures.

And yes a few would have been 'bandwagon jumpers', but no more than the thousands at the time going to Britain for every team from Man.U to Macclesfield!

Yes, even the latter had a Irish SC!
:rolleyes:

Some would also have been over to see Hibs but never met an active Hibee myself without a direct Scottish connection.

TiocfaidhArmani

21/12/2011, 4:39 PM

No you don't. Quit spouting ****e FFS

The last game we played against St Johnstone this year there was over 52,000 there. I was there but what would I know.

Link for proof:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/14520317.stm

Coming from a Celtc fan that's priceless. Can you go a day without embarrassing yourself on here?

We're on a lean patch the last few years and we still get approx 50,000 a game. Good enough for me.

OwlsFan

23/12/2011, 1:01 PM

And yes a few would have been 'bandwagon jumpers', but no more than the thousands at the time going to Britain for every team from Man.U to Macclesfield!

Yes, even the latter had a Irish SC!
:rolleyes:

Bandwagon jumper and Maccesfield ?? :confused: Why roll your eyes even IF there is one?

ArdeeBhoy

24/12/2011, 11:15 AM

Why not?
It's Macclesfield, not Madrid or Manchester.
Or even Sheffield.
:rolleyes:

Merry Christmas?

BonnieShels

26/12/2011, 10:50 AM

Merry Christmas?

I am Ron Burgundy?

TiocfaidhArmani

28/12/2011, 10:24 AM

No you don't. Quit spouting ****e FFS

Coming from a Celtc fan that's priceless. Can you go a day without embarrassing yourself on here?

Any reply to this yet, Hibs?

The last game we played against St Johnstone this year there was over 52,000 there. I was there but what would I know.

Link for proof:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/14520317.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/14520317.stm)

:D