SPL Discussion Thread [Archive] - Page 16

geysir

17/05/2006, 10:18 AM

That's just for the seedings. If Barca win the CL, there's no qualifier for Celtic. If Osasuna get 4th spot in Spain Celtic are into Pot 2. I see that Osasuna held onto 4th place level on points with Sevilla. Some confusion because Osasuna have an inferior goal difference, maybe it's done in alphabetical order.

eirebhoy

17/05/2006, 11:11 AM

I see that Osasuna held onto 4th place level on points with Sevilla. Some confusion because Osasuna have an inferior goal difference, maybe it's done in alphabetical order.
hehe. :) It's down to head to head like most leagues in Europe. :)

geysir

17/05/2006, 2:18 PM

It was kind of obvious that it wasn't a corner count :)
I was curious when you wrote 'most'
Of the big leagues,
Italy have the head to head system but have a play off if something like a cl place is depending. France, Germany, Portugal are goal diff. traditionalists, the Dutch don't count.
Any revision of the use of 'most' ?

Plastic Paddy

17/05/2006, 3:35 PM

You don't like value judgements, do you Geysir? :D

:ball: PP

geysir

17/05/2006, 9:30 PM

You don't like value judgements, do you Geysir? :D

:ball: PP
Depends on the quality of the value PP, doesn�t it :)
I liked Rikkard's tonight best of all.

londonirish17

18/05/2006, 7:07 AM

Thanks in recent times, er, to Henke, Barca, MO'N :rolleyes: & Rangers FC.;)

Thank God ;)

Hibs4Ever

18/05/2006, 4:07 PM

Oh well :(

It was beautiful while it lasted

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=388286&CPID=10&clid=40&lid=7&title=Mowbray+granted+Town+talks

Plastic Paddy

18/05/2006, 6:43 PM

He'll go to Portman Road to continue his development and then he'll step up again to an assistant's role at his real home in Scotland, Celtic Park. ;)

:ball: PP

Hibs4Ever

19/05/2006, 8:50 AM

He'll go to Portman Road to continue his development and then he'll step up again to an assistant's role at his real home in Scotland, Celtic Park. ;)

:ball: PP

its well known that after the way he was treated by celtic after his wife died, that his feeling for the club ain't as strong as you think :rolleyes:

Hibs4Ever

19/05/2006, 8:56 AM

But can we humbly remind you of post #684.......as for Asst.at CP......If you excuse the unfortunate analogy :rolleyes: he's being 'groomed' for the top job on Teeside, his hometown? club! :eek:

I still believe he WANTS to stay at ER. But how can he with a board that has no ambitions and only want to sell players. Even now I reckon all they're thinking about is the compensation money we'll get for Mogga.

Agree about Teeside, Boro is his club, his DREAM job, he'll end up there eventually

geysir

19/05/2006, 10:06 AM

its well known that after the way he was treated by celtic after his wife died, that his feeling for the club ain't as strong as you think :rolleyes:
I don't know what you are alluding towards. Here is printed a letter from the man himself about his time at Celtic.
http://www.etims.net/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=1334&Itemid=29

Hibs4Ever

19/05/2006, 10:49 AM

I don't know what you are alluding towards. Here is printed a letter from the man himself about his time at Celtic.
http://www.etims.net/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=1334&Itemid=29

Not gonna get into another arguement here Geysir. A reply he gave to a celtic website after being put on the spot proves nothing. Any player would do same after leaving club and knew it was going to be put on website.

I've spoken to Mogga many times, and am not "alluding" about anything.

geysir

19/05/2006, 11:37 AM

If you are not prepared to back up any statement except by alluding to something that only you know about then it has no value at all.

Hibs4Ever

19/05/2006, 11:51 AM

If you are not prepared to back up any statement except by alluding to something that only you know about then it has no value at all.

What do you want me to do to prove what I have been told???? Not EVERYTHING in football is put into print!!!!

I have given my opinion on something based on something I've been told numerous times by different people, including Celtic fans. Now, just because you haven't read it somewhere while googling all day for it, doesn't mean its false. Or do you believe that if its not written in media its not true?

Hibs4Ever

19/05/2006, 11:52 AM

Looks like Mogga IS a man of his word :D

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/more.php?id=1513_0_1_0_C

I really think now that Middlesbrough is the only job he'd leave Hibs for

geysir

19/05/2006, 12:33 PM

What do you want me to do to prove what I have been told???? Not EVERYTHING in football is put into print!!!!

I have given my opinion on something based on something I've been told numerous times by different people, including Celtic fans. Now, just because you haven't read it somewhere while googling all day for it, doesn't mean its false. Or do you believe that if its not written in media its not true?

Opinion based on something told by some someones??? What are you alluding to? What is the dark side of Mobray's time at Celtic?
ATM what you have written about so far amounts to an empty script of gossip.

Hibs4Ever

19/05/2006, 12:46 PM

Opinion based on something told by some someones??? What are you alluding to? What is the dark side of Mobray's time at Celtic?
ATM what you have written about so far amounts to an empty script of gossip.

Fair enough. So you ARE admitting that you fully believe if its not printed in news or on website there's no way its true ;)

You don't believe it because youy haven't read it, fair enough. No problem :)

geysir

19/05/2006, 1:09 PM

As "Mogga is a man of his word" I am left with no other option than to take his letter as an expression of integrity :)

Junior

21/05/2006, 11:02 AM

I personally don't know Mogga so cannot comment on what H4E is saying.

If indeed Mogga was not best pleased with Celtic during this period of his life, I am fairly certain he wouldn't feel the need to put in writing "the love and warmth" he received, how the "celtic support helped fill the void" etc.... The letter was only meant to cover his time 'as a player' for Celtic - he wouldn't have needed to bring up this period at all.

I guess what we do know, is that H4E has a real issue with Celtic and this comes across in a large number of his posts. I think it would be sad to use such a tragic personal loss in Mowbrays life for some kind of point scoring against Celtic.

If you think you know something H4E then spill it? If you don't want to betray some kind of trust that Mowbray has put in you, then don't bring it up at all?

Poor Student

21/05/2006, 1:07 PM

I've never heard anything remotely along these lines, but I'm not a man in the know. At this stage I think we should leave it.

Hibs4Ever

22/05/2006, 6:49 AM

I've never heard anything remotely along these lines, but I'm not a man in the know. At this stage I think we should leave it.

Good call, I was only commenting that Mogga's feelings towards celtic aen't as much as some people like to think they are.

For the record Junior, OF COURSE i don't like celtic!! I'm a Hibs supporter, I don't like ANY other team in Scotland. Am I supposed to??

Junior

22/05/2006, 11:17 AM

Good call, I was only commenting that Mogga's feelings towards celtic aen't as much as some people like to think they are.

For the record Junior, OF COURSE i don't like celtic!! I'm a Hibs supporter, I don't like ANY other team in Scotland. Am I supposed to??

As per usual H4E you pick out something that obviously is not the point in my post. You can like or dislike whoever you want, that doesn't interest me. Petty point scoring based on something you won't disclose is in poor taste IMO, particularly when a public written statement by Mowbray seems to suggest the opposite of what you allude to.

Agree, lets drop it...................

drinkfeckarse

22/05/2006, 1:10 PM

Have to agree with Junior, you seem to have gotten off lightly H4E. Sure we can all say " I know him personally and he told me....". It doesn't prove anything, so unless someone is prepared to divulge the points of the conversation it looks a bit silly, especially with written evidence to say otherwise.

geysir

22/05/2006, 3:23 PM

Give credit where credit is due
There was one line of truth from H4e

I've spoken to Mogga many times, and am not "alluding" about anything.

Poor Student

22/05/2006, 9:43 PM

We can't prove or disprove any of this. Move on everyone, end of the matter.

geysir

25/05/2006, 10:20 AM

Varga is pants and will be off in the summer I think.
I guess you haven't picked yourself off the floor since the news report yesterday that Varga was being offered a year's contract but Celtic face competition for his services!
http://www.theherald.co.uk/sport/62582.html

Plastic Paddy

25/05/2006, 12:18 PM

That's one competition I'd be happy for Celtic to lose.

As an aside, that Tony McGill seems determined to be a thorn in Celtic's side (is he from the darkside?) - he's been trying to prise Stilian Petrov away from CP for a while now (and thus earn himself a fat commission in the process). It's nothing short of pimping. Yet another leech bleeding football dry.

:ball: PP

Junior

25/05/2006, 9:28 PM

Yer not wrong geysir!!! he plays the last 6 games, once the title is wrapped up and Balde gets his long awaited break because of a stomach problem, he's absolutely rank during that period as well and somehow we are offering him another year??? To make matters worse, McGill claims, that we'll have to fight for him?? - He's ripping the pi$$, Varga would sign in a minute if a contract is put in front of him.

Its nothing personal, I've fond memories of him scoring a bullet header at the San Siro amongst other goals - but he's poor.

With regards to McGill and his Petrov comments "its up to the club to decide if they want to sell him and at what price" wtf? the club have publicly stated they want him to stay!! so if he's for the off McGill better hope that clubs are willing to pay his current valuation, otherwise he won't be making a penny!!

Now where's eirebhoy when youre growing more concerned at the transfer activity and you need some of that optimism.............................

Roo69

29/05/2006, 12:09 PM

Fortune (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/5024896.stm) holds talks with Celtic

Good signing if they manage to get him.

Junior

29/05/2006, 4:53 PM

A good option for left back or a central midefield combative role. Free as well, though was probably ona good whack at Utd and at 29 will probably want a decent contract.

Could depend on the Kadlec 'signing' as well. Also,Thompson looks like he'll be around for another year and he's on a decent wage and a left sided player - surely Strachan needs to offload him or use him?

Junior

04/06/2006, 1:55 PM

Joh Hartson seems to be for the off. �500k seems cheap to me, still only 31, I suppose the one year left on his contract emans we wouldn't get much more for him.

I'd rather he stayed, I'd take a Zurawski/Hartson partnership before a Zurawski/Miller partnership in the CL, any day.

geysir

04/06/2006, 2:30 PM

Hartson seems to be for the off. �500k
Every penny gained helps to pay for Varga's wages next season :)

DmanDmythDledge

04/06/2006, 9:11 PM

Well Celtic are in the market for another striker considering they made an approach for Larrsson. Would be interesting to see Gudjohnsen playing for Celtic.

Junior

05/06/2006, 9:40 AM

Every penny gained helps to pay for Varga's wages next season :)

Thats below the belt geysir!!:D

Well Celtic are in the market for another striker considering they made an approach for Larrsson. Would be interesting to see Gudjohnsen playing for Celtic.

Im not so sure. Celtic would have thought they had a chance of getting Larsson to comeback (probably the only club in the UK) and he point blank said no. We've signed Miller and Riordan already.......... though these 2 were signed before the Hartson bid was accepted. I hope you're right, but we need to ensure we have a solid left back & holding midfielder first IMO.

geysir

05/06/2006, 11:10 AM

Gudjohnsen is a nice thought. He's in demand though, the rumors here are about a move to Spain with a chunky transfer fee. I'd see Gudjohnsen's future more as a midfielder, a so called link player (the shattering new concept of a team with players who link) with some versatility, just enough maybe to lace Sutton's boots. O'Neill would sign him in a flash. You might have gained the impression that Strachan has embraced an imposed poverty status.

londonirish17

16/06/2006, 6:50 AM

Still wonder if Zurawski was worth the money?
As his performance showed at the world cup, he hasn't got wat it takes to be a serious thread once he is opposed to world class defenders... and there are plenty of them around in the CL.
Furthermore as far as I'm concerned, I don't think that he performed well on SPL level this season...

eirebhoy

16/06/2006, 8:09 AM

Zurawski is a big, big confidence player. If he's not confident he'll just be crap. A bit like Kevin Kilbane, Irish Player of the year when he was full of confidence.

I think he scored more goals than games he started in Scotland this season which is incredible considering he didn't get a bit of confidence in him until a month into the season (his first goal). He was Poland's top scorer in the qualifiers scoring against every team, 9 goals in total. He has played in Europe already and scored against Real Madrid, Parma x2, Lazio, Shalke and a few others.

I don't think the Germany performance says anything about him as he was almost playing in midfield. Hardly going to score from where he was playing with Poland's gameplan. Anyway, Zurawski has to be fully confident to play well. Diego Forlan would be another one like that. Sure, Ibrahimovich actually had decent chances to score for Sweden this WC unlike Zurawski.

Junior

16/06/2006, 10:09 AM

Yeah he's had a few poor games in the WC, but lets face it Poland have been shockingly bad, he's had a few half chances, and as eirebhoy says he's been coming very deep. He'll still be disappointed no doubt.

As for the SPL, he was slow to strart, he was out with injury for a few months but then came into his own and started to put a few away. Its practically a new team at Celtic, and it takes time to settle in to a style of play and for players to understand each other, he's certainly a different type of striker than anyone in the MON teams. I am happy enough with Magic and lets face it, the fee was hardly astronomical (�2m on a 3 year contract).

I think we'll see more from him in the coming season.

Poor Student

17/06/2006, 10:21 AM

Celtic don't pay him to play for Poland. They played a 4-5-1 with poor support from midfield leaving him isolated up front. Poland proved to be of pretty limited technical ability. It's a different prospect with Nakamura and Maloney supplying him with ammunition with Petrov (still may not leave) supporting him and a partner up front.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7669339898589796176&q=celtic

I know most of those goal are in Poland but the goals are the same dimensions the world over and he knows how to put the ball in it.

eirebhoy

17/06/2006, 11:42 AM

On the topic of Celtic players in the world cup, I thought Naka was excellent against Australia. I looked at the BBC ratings at half time and he had an average rating of just under 8/10, miles ahead of every other player. He picked up an injury after an hour and could barely run but I think he was heading for MOTM but for Cahill. :(

He controls Japans games like Riquelme does for Argentina. I look forward to watching him against Croatia and Brazil. He got MOTM against Brazil in the confeds.

drinkfeckarse

19/06/2006, 8:22 AM

Jiri Jarosik apparently in the bag....great signing if true. He's a great attacking midfielder but it looks as if he's a direct replacement for Petrov. The only negative I would say is that he seems to pick up a lot of niggly injuries and misses batches of 1-2 games.

Poor Student

19/06/2006, 8:40 AM

Rumour has it Celtic are close to signing Hasslebaink too and I think they've signed a young Dutch defender called Evander Sno off Feyenoord for �250k. Next priority should be a left back.

londonirish17

19/06/2006, 8:59 AM

Rumour has it Celtic are close to signing Hasslebaink too and I think they've signed a young Dutch defender called Evander Sno off Feyenoord for �250k. Next priority should be a left back.

That would be some good news ! Same for Jarosik.

Junior

19/06/2006, 1:19 PM

From www.celticfc.net

"CELTIC are delighted to announce the signing of Czech midfielder Jiri Jarosik from Chelsea on a three-year contract, with Celtic having the option of a fourth year.

Jiri (28), who has also played with CSKA Moscow and Sparta Prague and been capped 23 times for the Czech Republic, is delighted to be signing on with the Scottish Champions.

Jiri said: "It is a tremendous honour to sign for a club of Celtic’s size and stature. It is a fantastic time to be joining Celtic, with the club again Scottish Champions after doing so well last season and also with so much to look forward to in the Champions League.

I am very excited about joining Celtic and hope to play a part in bringing even more success to the club."

Celtic Manager Gordon Strachan is delighted to have secured Jiri’s signature. He said: "Jiri is a player who I think will be a great addition to our squad. He has tremendous ability and experience of playing at the highest level.

"He is someone I feel will make an important contribution to the club as we look towards the challenges ahead, both at home and in Europe.”

Celtic Chief Executive Peter Lawwell added: “We are delighted to welcome Jiri to Celtic Park and are pleased to be able to bring a player of such quality to the club.

"We are pleased already to have signed a number of new players as Gordon looks to strengthen his squad.

"Supporters can rest assured that we will continue to support Gordon’s plans for the future as we look ahead to our domestic and Champions League challenges."