SPL Discussion Thread [Archive] - Page 12

ColinR

07/03/2006, 9:20 AM

There's no way our semi should've been at Murrayfield. Its in Jambo land and they've recently played european games there. Hampden is rightful place for the semi. Either venue would sell out for this match

i think they should have played it in murrayfield. hearts played (and done badly) a year and a half ago in murrayfield. a few games doesn't make it a home pitch. now there is 50000 fans going to be leaving edinburgh early in the morning, and all heading on the motorway. there are only two trains running between edinburgh and glasgow on the sunday.

also there is room for 15000 extra fans at murrayfield. the demand is there for this game. all the hibees in my office would have rathered murrayfield as well. stupid decision imo

Hibs4Ever

07/03/2006, 9:45 AM

i think they should have played it in murrayfield. hearts played (and done badly) a year and a half ago in murrayfield. a few games doesn't make it a home pitch. now there is 50000 fans going to be leaving edinburgh early in the morning, and all heading on the motorway. there are only two trains running between edinburgh and glasgow on the sunday.

also there is room for 15000 extra fans at murrayfield. the demand is there for this game. all the hibees in my office would have rathered murrayfield as well. stupid decision imo

The Hibees in your office are the first I've heard of tha wanted Murrayfield, on all the Hibs forums the push for Hampden was huge. No one wanted the rugby stadium during rugby season

Have been told if it goes to replay it'll be Murrayfield though

ColinR

07/03/2006, 10:53 AM

well to be fair hibees here aren't exactly die hard. i just think its got a chance of being the biggest game in scotland in a long long time - when was there last over 60k people at a domestic match in scotland - prob the cup finals before hampden was redeveloped. now this will just be another hampden cup semi (albeit a derby).

Junior

07/03/2006, 2:05 PM

1) Last +60k domestic crowd in scotland would have been at Celtic Park in the last 2-3 years (without checking).

2) Rugby Ground argument is a valid one. Anyone who saw the Sweden game during the week will testify the pitch was a joke, having said that, it wouldn't suit either side who generally play a fairly fast, on the deck game.

3) Heart's home ground? Nonsense, they played there a few times (with indifferent results). Would Spurs fans have an issue playing a semi final against Arsenal at Wembley (assuming it was still there of course) for the FA Cup because Arsenal played a handful of CL games there, I don't think so.

4) Why wouldn't you want to make life easier for yourselves? I don't believe its the glory of playing at Hampden, nor the fact that you all like getting up and travelling to Glasgow for an early kick off? I forget who they were playing but Man U were playing someone from the NW recently and they were suggesting a London or Midlands venue and both sides suggested Anfield or Goodison or somewhere in the Northwest - not sure they got there wish though......

Whats the real reason H4E????

Hibs4Ever

07/03/2006, 2:16 PM

stickyjoe

07/03/2006, 2:21 PM

when was there last over 60k people at a domestic match in scotland - prob the cup finals before hampden was redeveloped. now this will just be another hampden cup semi (albeit a derby).

last saturday at celtic park there was 60,018.....just about sneaks in:)

good logic to stay away from murrayfield at this time of the year. hearts and hibs both seem to play decent football so a good surface at hampden should hopefully help set up a cracking game

Poor Student

07/03/2006, 2:24 PM

The best attended game is usually Celtic v Aberdeen in the new Celtic Park. Obviously due to segregation in Old Firm games the stadium can't go to capacity.

ColinR

07/03/2006, 2:35 PM

so 65k at murrayfield would make it bigger than any of the celtic games? ;)

plus there is no more scotland or edinburgh gunner fixtures set for murrayfield between now and the date of the semi. murrayfield wanderers play their matches on the back pitches, so there is no reason why the pitch wont be able to be sorted before the semi.

Junior

07/03/2006, 2:39 PM

1st, who said anything about home ground???

Ok, 'Jamboland', 'played games there' I think your splitting hairs - either way thats a weak argument IMO

2nd, what reason do you want other than Hampden being the home of Scottish football were semi's a normally held, not in a RUGBY stadium in the middle of rugby season with almost weekly rugby matches on the pitch. Thats reason enough, without playing there just because the Jambos want to

If Hampden is a perfect pitch or even just much superior to Murrayfield then I'd tend to agree it should be played at Hampden.

But Im not sure it is, and therefore as there is NO advantage to either side in playing at Murrayfield and the obvious benefits in travel arrangements Id have thought it would be a good choice for all fans. I'd rather Hibs won the semi, so Ive got no agenda. From the tone of alot of your posts H4E, you would get the impression you have a bit of a chip on that shoulder of yours.

Obviously it is the romance of Hampden then?, the home of scottish fitba........funny i;ve never noticed Hibs fans take it to their hearts before with the genrally poor attendances there.

Hibs4Ever

07/03/2006, 2:56 PM

Ok, 'Jamboland', 'played games there' I think your splitting hairs - either way thats a weak argument IMO

If Hampden is a perfect pitch or even just much superior to Murrayfield then I'd tend to agree it should be played at Hampden.

But Im not sure it is, and therefore as there is NO advantage to either side in playing at Murrayfield and the obvious benefits in travel arrangements Id have thought it would be a good choice for all fans. I'd rather Hibs won the semi, so Ive got no agenda. From the tone of alot of your posts H4E, you would get the impression you have a bit of a chip on that shoulder of yours.

Obviously it is the romance of Hampden then?, the home of scottish fitba........funny i;ve never noticed Hibs fans take it to their hearts before with the genrally poor attendances there.

Tell me when Hibs haven't sold the tickets they were allocated for Hampden?

Also, how do you get a "tone" from typing on a screen, and chip on my shoulder about what? That I would rather a big cup semi played on a football pitch than a rugby pitch?????

And splitting hairs where???? YOU spoke about Murrayfield being their home ground, no one else!!!

Junior

07/03/2006, 4:00 PM

Tell me when Hibs haven't sold the tickets they were allocated for Hampden?

To be fair (as Im sure you are aware) there aren't that many past examples of Hibs playing at Hampden;) however perhaps the most recent one being 9th April 2005, your semi final versus Dundee Utd, saw the massive crowd of 27k at Hampden? Don't tell me, Dundee Utd didn't sell 23k of their allocation.

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/more.php?id=A834_0_1_0_M

Also, how do you get a "tone" from typing on a screen, and chip on my shoulder about what? That I would rather a big cup semi played on a football pitch than a rugby pitch?????

Without this desending in to a load of ****** - are you telling me you cannot tell if someone is angry, a reasoned debater, abusive, impartial etc..etc... because they have typed it?? of course you can, what a silly comment.

And splitting hairs where???? YOU spoke about Murrayfield being their home ground, no one else!!!

Ok ok you didn't say it was their 'home' ground. I paraphrased, However you implied that they had some advantage by using murrayfield.. I disagree as I cannot see where they get this advantage from.

As I've already said, if the ground is in poor nick, then I'd agree with the SF being played at Hampden (1) I don't know if it is in poor shape or will be before the game (2) Have you seen Hampden park lately? Otherwise it would just make sense for the game to be played at a local ground, with a great capacity, with a pitch that is as good as the one in Glasgow (if thats the case).

What do you think the crowd will be at Hampden - capacity 52k??

Junior

08/03/2006, 8:47 AM

Perhaps flights are cheaper to Glasgow than Edinburgh from Dublin that weekend..............

drinkfeckarse

09/03/2006, 3:19 PM

To be fair to a Minority of Hibees.......they'd rather :rolleyes: play @ Hampden?But then as they admit........more Flights to the capital of, er, Scottish football! :(

Still, I'm sure they'll be v.Appreciative aboot :rolleyes: 'Weegies' come Sunday? Not.

Hi Davros...

Hibs4Ever

10/03/2006, 7:26 AM

Dundee fan I met last night was delighted about their Semi-Final place, but gutted about an imminent trip to Glasgow!
He said he'd much prefer if it was played in a compact ground.........in,er, ................Edinburgh!:D

Yeah, the bus shelter down Tyncastle way would suit it fine. But judging by Dundees crowds this year that'd still be too big:D

geysir

10/03/2006, 5:01 PM

From the UEFA Country Rankings http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/crank2006.html
I see that the coefficient points that Rangers earned with their plod through Europe has kept Scotland just ahead of Belgium in 10th place by the slimmest of margins. Clouds do have a silver lining.

CollegeTillIDie

12/03/2006, 8:47 AM

As both Embra teams have stadia which hold less than 20,000 the extra capacity should not be an issue and all their "real fans" rather than bandwagon jumpers could be accomodated in the smaller venue if they wish.
As regards the SFA being control freaks, they own half of Hampden and they need a return on their capital investment. After all co-owners Queen's Park never stuff the venue.

ColinR

12/03/2006, 12:38 PM

As both Embra teams have stadia which hold less than 20,000 the extra capacity should not be an issue and all their "real fans" rather than bandwagon jumpers could be accomodated in the smaller venue if they wish.

it rather a small minded view-point imo. if that was the case, then the fai should just have opted for tolka for the fai cup final.

if the game was in murrayfield, there would be 32k roughly there supporting either team - double what they would get in a good home crowd for each club, in their home city. whilst (like the fai cup final) most would treat it as a one off, a lot wouldn't. it could have allowed both clubs to win over many more future die hards etc.

though i think you are right about your second point, its about how much money the sfa get, and who cares if it inconviniances everybody travelling from edinburgh.

Plastic Paddy

12/03/2006, 5:33 PM

...it's time for some more of your wonderful excuses. And "my dog ate the referee" just won't cut it, I'm afraid... :D

:ball: PP

Junior

13/03/2006, 9:08 PM

Another good win for celtic, despite a below par performance.

First half hour was all Hibs, Sproule in particular causing problems. Great freekick to go 1-0 up, from Riordan.

After that, whilst I wouldn't say Celtic dominated they certainly had all the significant play. I don't recall Boruc really having to make a save, whilst the hibs keeper (particularly the one who came on as a sub) made numerous important saves including the penalty save.

Sproule, died out after that first 30 mins, whether that was through poor service or just that Wilson got better Im not sure but it was important.

Celtic missed Hartson I thought, whilst Maloney had a very good game always causing problems when on the ball.

Mcmanus is now on 7 goals pretty decent for a centre half.

Celtic are in the CIS next week whils Hearts play Rangers - that result could be significant as to when the league flag comes back to Celtic Park:D

PP, don't see you on the huddleboards these days, where you frequenting??

Block G Raptor

15/03/2006, 9:08 AM

http://www.rte.ie/sport/2006/0315/keaner.html
can't see this anywhere else:
I had a feeling when he signed he had his eye on Strachan's Job it'll be interesting to see if that does materialise

Hither green

15/03/2006, 3:51 PM

http://www.rte.ie/sport/2006/0315/keaner.html
can't see this anywhere else:
I had a feeling when he signed he had his eye on Strachan's Job it'll be interesting to see if that does materialise

Has anyone seen many of his games? Has he been any good for them?

Plastic Paddy

15/03/2006, 4:21 PM

PP, don't see you on the huddleboards these days, where you frequenting??

Hello Junior

I occasionally lurk on the Huddleboard these days; too many eejits on there for me to bother posting. I post on the Celtic newsgroup these days rather than any of the messageboards.

I still loiter without intent on this board far too often for comfort... :o

:ball: PP

Junior

15/03/2006, 8:47 PM

yeah a few head the balls all right on th HB. whats the celtic newsgroup - got a link?

Pat O' Banton

16/03/2006, 9:16 AM

Has anyone seen many of his games? Has he been any good for them?

Terrible in his opening game (the Clyde match but then again so was everyone else) alot better since then. Was impressed against Aberdeen how when ever the younger players had no real forward options and they gave the ball to Keane as an easy way out, he simply returned the ball to them forcing players to take a bit of responsibility rather then just look to him. gets forward alot but he has to otherwise he and Lennon would simply be getting in each others ways.

I still loiter without intent on this board far too often for comfort...

I'll be loitering in norf Landaaan on the 1st of April if your around for a couple of pints in the evening.

CollegeTillIDie

17/03/2006, 8:25 AM

it rather a small minded view-point imo. if that was the case, then the fai should just have opted for tolka for the fai cup final.

if the game was in murrayfield, there would be 32k roughly there supporting either team - double what they would get in a good home crowd for each club, in their home city. whilst (like the fai cup final) most would treat it as a one off, a lot wouldn't. it could have allowed both clubs to win over many more future die hards etc.

though i think you are right about your second point, its about how much money the sfa get, and who cares if it inconviniances everybody travelling from edinburgh.

No because Scotland is a genuine footballing supporting nation.
Ireland on the other hand is populated by event junkies and bandwagon jumpers , which is why your brilliantly successful club doesn't get 6,000 sell out crowds for all your home games! :D

ColinR

17/03/2006, 8:47 AM

Ireland on the other hand is populated by event junkies and bandwagon jumpers ,

believe me there are just as many bandwagon jumpers over here as well, maybe not as extreme as ireland, but you would easily find an extra 15,000 of them to fill murrayfie;d, and its up to the clubs after that to keep them on the wagon.

which is why your brilliantly successful club doesn't get 6,000 sell out crowds for all your home games! :D

touch� :D

lofty9

20/03/2006, 9:09 AM

I had the misfortune of being in his company one night whilst attending my cousins stag night in Leicester... This really sums him up...

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=372733&CPID=14&clid=&lid=2&title=Shields+lambasts+Lennon

One of the reasons, why I am so passionate about Eircom League and local soccer is because of him... I can't watch football when guys like that are being paid so much.

razor

20/03/2006, 9:19 AM

Can only pass the ball sideways or backwards, poor player.
Crap talk at its worst.

Hibs4Ever

20/03/2006, 9:51 AM

Didn't Bellamy do the same while at Celtic playing ic Scottish Cup?

NeilMcD

20/03/2006, 9:54 AM

I thought Keane was playing again with his slippers on and still stood out. Celtic could do with him in the Champions League.

Plastic Paddy

20/03/2006, 9:56 AM

So the story goes. As a Celtic fan I would hope the players were better men than that. Indefensible if true though. :mad:

:ball: PP

(btw - this is my 1,888th post - some significance, no? :D )

Drumcondra_Blue

20/03/2006, 12:36 PM

Typical Lennon, as always all mouth. Very average player as stated above.

stickyjoe

20/03/2006, 12:49 PM

Different side of the story I`ve heard is that shields called him a mickey ******* and lennon replied that he was a rich mickey *******

drinkfeckarse

20/03/2006, 12:58 PM

He shouldn't be talking like that at all even if he was baited. Bellamy allegedly did the same to a Clyde player last year in a Scottish Cup tie.

Junior

20/03/2006, 1:09 PM

I see the PC brigade are out in force. 'Football player in wind up scandal' shock bleedin horror - It's a nothing story.

A Dunfermline Player provided the exclusive. Perhaps he should have concentrated more on trying to perform in the cup final. His team were a disgrace to their fans.

hoops1

20/03/2006, 1:21 PM

Id be more insulted by the fact that lennon scored against them if i was him
than by that Rubbish
or by the fact that they are so bad he only shots against them
I might be wrong here but was it Dunfermline who capitulated at Ibrox a few years back to hand Rangers the title
Me thinks the niggle is going on a while

Hibs4Ever

20/03/2006, 1:30 PM

Junior

20/03/2006, 2:03 PM

WHAT:confused:

He's referring to the 2003 season, Dunfermline lost 6-1 at Ibrox last day of the season, but Im guessing you knew that anyway.

By the way I am not backing up hoops' post.

H4E you never came back to me on the 27k crowd at your last Hampden SF (you know where you had said point out the last time Hibs hadn't sold out their allocation??) Anyway, I think the game is going ahead at Hampden, so will it be a sell out? I reckon 40k max................

Drumcondra_Blue

20/03/2006, 2:16 PM

Gretna for the cup :)

Hibs4Ever

20/03/2006, 2:40 PM

He's referring to the 2003 season, Dunfermline lost 6-1 at Ibrox last day of the season, but Im guessing you knew that anyway.

By the way I am not backing up hoops' post.

H4E you never came back to me on the 27k crowd at your last Hampden SF (you know where you had said point out the last time Hibs hadn't sold out their allocation??) Anyway, I think the game is going ahead at Hampden, so will it be a sell out? I reckon 40k max................

You gave ONE example which proved nothing, didn't feel it needed a response. Couple of thousand Arab fans there. Any more examples of our poor attndance "in general" at Hampden, or is it just the one (that should keep you googling for a while:D )

As for Pars losing 6-1 against Rangers, as I said. Whats his point? Or is it the same as Celtic fans on their message boards blaming Hibs for letting Rangers win the league last season:rolleyes:

hoops1

20/03/2006, 3:05 PM

my point is That straight after that game Sutton came out and basically
said that Dunfermline had cheated the league,there own fans and Celtic
for being so spineless.
Dunfermline manager at the time hit back(cant remember what exactly
he said) and alot of the Dunfermline players were upset by these comments also.
So what we have now is a bit of history between certain players
Every chance Lennon gets to rub it in he takes because of this

Junior

20/03/2006, 3:28 PM

You gave ONE example which proved nothing, didn't feel it needed a response. Couple of thousand Arab fans there. Any more examples of our poor attndance "in general" at Hampden, or is it just the one (that should keep you googling for a while:D )

I gave one example as that was all I could find, as I mentioned in the original post not too many Hibs appearances at Hampden to base your comment on? To save me all that googling, why don't you give me, just ONE example of your sell out crowds at Hampden, to back up your point?

As for Pars losing 6-1 against Rangers, as I said. Whats his point? Or is it the same as Celtic fans on their message boards blaming Hibs for letting Rangers win the league last season:rolleyes:

I don't know what his point is. Im a Celtic fan, I post on message boards, I don't blame Hibs for Rangers winning the league last year.

eirebhoy

20/03/2006, 6:21 PM

CELTIC captain Neil Lennon has this afternoon responded to statements made about his own conduct during yesterday’s League Cup Final.

In the wake of the match one Dunfermline Athletic player claimed that Lennon had goaded opposition players about his wages and bank balance during the 3-0 win.

But this afternoon Lennon dismissed the accusations as untrue and expressed his own anger about his opponents’ actions.

“I am disgusted by some of the comments made, because they are simply not true” said Lennon.

“It is very disappointing that someone has tried to paint me in this way, particularly given some of the comments which were directed at myself during the match.

“I think people should take a close look at themselves before making comments about me being ‘unprofessional’.

“If I ran to journalists every time something was said to me, you could fill the papers every week. I am livid about it, but I know I am not going to let it spoil my week .”
http://www.celticfc.net/newsroom/news.aspx?id='2006-03-20_1729gk'

Also:
http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/football.cfm?id=432272006

Plastic Paddy

21/03/2006, 6:16 AM

Or is it the same as Celtic fans on their message boards blaming Hibs for letting Rangers win the league last season:rolleyes:

What utter drivel. Suffering a persecution complex are we H4E? :rolleyes:

:ball: PP

Hibs4Ever

21/03/2006, 6:30 AM

What utter drivel. Suffering a persecution complex are we H4E? :rolleyes:

:ball: PP

Why? Have you not seen it? Therefore its drivel?

Hibs4Ever

22/03/2006, 10:52 AM

That club are priceless. The Romanov revolution continues. 2 managers sacked so far this season:D

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/h/heart_of_midlothian/4832716.stm

Junior

22/03/2006, 10:54 AM

They've been on the slippery slope since Burley left, think the Huns will finish 2nd now, mores the pity!!

Hibs4Ever

22/03/2006, 11:29 AM

SEVENTH manager at Hertz since Levin left 18 months ago:D :D :D

drinkfeckarse

22/03/2006, 12:19 PM

I feel a little bit sorry for Hearts fans, that guy is going to kill their club....

Hibs4Ever

22/03/2006, 12:23 PM

I feel a little bit sorry for Hearts fans, that guy is going to kill their club....

Definitely, but large majority of Jambos seem to support him.

Manager til end of season: Valdas Ivanauskas. A man that Vlad the Mad has already sacked at Kaunas:D

Whats the odds of Vlad naming himself manager at start of next season?:D