LOI In Europe 2021

[bennocelt]

Might as well get the ball running, lol.:p (see link below)

I know this is all pure guess work at the moment, but from the current standings it looks like Shamrock Rovers need a lot of luck to be seeded in the CL, but having said that some of the CL seeds look pretty weak (so far).

As for Dundalk, it looks like they will be seeded no probs for three rounds, and all going well the fourth one too in the new ECL conference, at the moment the ECL Conf looks harder than the Europa League with the likes of man city, man utd, Borrusia monch, in it, etc. I was a little shocked to see this is where Basel will be playing next season (if they manage to qualify!), oh how the mighty have fallen.
I do wonder what difference then the europa and the new conference will make if a top team from the big leagues win it, more of the same and still no hope for the small leagues to get to a final...........




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[D24Saint]

https://editorial.uefa.com/resources/0263-10c848fb43cc-49ac1262ab7c-1000/access_list_2021-22_final.pdf

No places for us in the Europa League, and three places in the first round of qualifiers of the Conference.

[Martinho II]

https://editorial.uefa.com/resources/0263-10c848fb43cc-49ac1262ab7c-1000/access_list_2021-22_final.pdf

No places for us in the Europa League, and three places in the first round of qualifiers of the Conference.

When does that kick in D24? Thats a bit of a blow to the loi!

[Redbull]

Might as well get the ball running, lol.:p (see link below)

I know this is all pure guess work at the moment, but from the current standings it looks like Shamrock Rovers need a lot of luck to be seeded in the CL, but having said that some of the CL seeds look pretty weak (so far).

As for Dundalk, it looks like they will be seeded no probs for three rounds, and all going well the fourth one too in the new ECL conference, at the moment the ECL Conf looks harder than the Europa League with the likes of man city, man utd, Borrusia monch, in it, etc. I was a little shocked to see this is where Basel will be playing next season (if they manage to qualify!), oh how the mighty have fallen.
I do wonder what difference then the europa and the new conference will make if a top team from the big leagues win it, more of the same and still no hope for the small leagues to get to a final...........




https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=4FE4712A1E3EA4FA!301&ithint=file%2Cxlsx&authkey=!AI0j65LlMWkMofc

Will Sligo Rovers and Bohs be unseeded?

[D24Saint]

When does that kick in D24? Thats a bit of a blow to the loi!

It’s supposed to start this year afaik , not sure where it stands with the covid affecting its launch.

[Real ale Madrid]

Might as well get the ball running, lol.:p (see link below)

https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=4FE4712A1E3EA4FA!301&ithint=file%2Cxlsx&authkey=!AI0j65LlMWkMofc

Cracking Spreadsheet.

[bennocelt]

Will Sligo Rovers and Bohs be unseeded?


Not even near it by the looks of the spreadsheet, but then the first round is pretty much all in the open, in that a lot of seeded teams are easily beatable, for example teams from Norn Iron, Gib, etc. Dundalk, on the other hand, look like they could be seeded three rounds, and maybe even the last round to the groups if all went well for them.......
At the moment Arsenal and Spurs look like they might be in this competition, lol

[Nesta99]

This is going to go a couple of ways in terms of launch. It will be postponed until 2022 and finances have stabilised and existing competitions will have prizemoney paired back in 2021. Or it will be launched and a fraction of the intended prizemoney will be on offer to keep clubs in the higher tiered competitions quiet - at a time when the pressure is on from the alleged breakaway thats in the mix and Infantino playing both sides of the net. So most likely CL money will at minimum be kept at close to usual. It may be useful to have some heavy hitters in the ECL as they could stamp their feet on not getting a better slice of the finances which could drive up initial propoed finances - i'd say you will see bigger than usual incremental increases as the rounds progress in the ECL to weight money toward club that are most likely to progress.

When initially proposed Id hoped this was an opportunity for LoI, its still is for the champions. Losing EL places wouldnt be the worst if money in the ECL was decent and coefficient points can be reasonably accumulated too. But the complete lack of info on finances even prior to pandemic disruption is concerning as imo UEFA would be shouting fro the rooftops how this competition will help revenue filter down to lower ranked league. That nothing has been said it feels more like being cut loose and thrown a few crumbs is why they have kept quiet considering there are already teams qualified for a competition that little is know about. Maybe no new is good news and that there will be one more year in a more lucrative EL, which is a clumsy, bloated, and not particularly popular competition at the top tables.

As a bit of a traditionalist, i'd love to see that bloatedness dealt with by reintroducing the CWC to lower the numbers in other Competitions. Wouldnt make that much difference imo as many of the cup winners will have likely qualified to various comps by other means and let them pick the higher ranked comp if they so wish (sometimes a big fish in a small pond as advantages if eg winning a CWC give as CL or EL berth the following season), then runners up/League Cup step in. Im really just thinking out loud on this tbh.

[oriel]

It looks like Rovers will also be un-seeded although with only drawing one game last season (pen shoot out counts as a draw I think), it was unlikely they would have built up required points.

It didn't help Dundalk last year being seeded in CL (Cleje) but it did in 2016 (FH Iceland), and these things are so important, as is the luck of the draw, which we clearly got last year.

[Charlie Darwin]

Yeah, the shoot-out counts as a draw. Those figures obviously aren't final as most leagues are far from finished but it's a pretty strong indication we won't be close to being seeded.

[sbgawa]

luck of the draw is everything

[yurt]

A lot of leagues are nearing an end now so the picture is starting to become a little clearer for the first round draw.

Worth keeping an eye on the final round of fixtures in Wales tomorrow. If Connah's Quay manage to bottle it and TNS swoop in it'll mean Wales will have a seeded team.

I seem to remember that these draws are sort of unofficially regionalised? If that's true than it's more than a 1 in 16 chance of getting them.

I know Irish teams have had a troubled history with Welsh opposition getting the ferry over to Wales would be a dream compared to the alternative possibilities to Azerbaijan, Romania, etc

[2 Year Contract]

What is the purpose of Longford Town getting a UEFA licence for this year?

https://twitter.com/sseairtricitylg/status/1395680911258177539?s=21

[Longfordian]

Not quite sure but good to know that when we win the cup we'll be all set for next year.

[Mr A]

What is the purpose of Longford Town getting a UEFA licence for this year?

https://twitter.com/sseairtricitylg/status/1395680911258177539?s=21

Sneaky cnuts are part of the new super league plan. Vision is for a centrally located super franchise to dominate football on the island.

[Dalymountrower]

Sneaky cnuts are part of the new super league plan. Vision is for a centrally located super franchise to dominate football on the island.

Centre Parks Villa.

[Longfordian]

Got a few marquee signings lined up.

[pineapple stu]

Do you mean like a beer tent?

[Longfordian]

*insert 'that's the joke' meme here*

[Kingdom]

Got a few marquee signings lined up.

That deserves a much better audience and response.

[GUFCghost]

https://www.newstalk.com/sport/prize-money-for-new-uefa-conference-league-finally-revealed-1200628
Any word on how much a club earn for winning a qualifier?

[Charlie Darwin]

https://www.newstalk.com/sport/prize-money-for-new-uefa-conference-league-finally-revealed-1200628
Any word on how much a club earn for winning a qualifier?
From what I can tell, the changes just distribute teams down from the CL and EL to the Conference League, so the number of games should be roughly similar, and I'd guess the money won't be all that different from EL.

[oriel]

https://www.newstalk.com/sport/prize-money-for-new-uefa-conference-league-finally-revealed-1200628
Any word on how much a club earn for winning a qualifier?

Appears this is the list

R1 - 150k
R2 - 350k
R3 - 550K
Play off - 750k
Group - 2.94m

Obv not increasing per round as above, if you go out in R2 you get 350k, get to play off its 750k etc.

Dundalk are seeded if we make 3 rounds, but would take form to be consistent and increased improvement to have a chance of that, the list of seeded teams coming into the play off round would seem little chance of making group stage again though.

Also heard but not seen, the money for a win in the group has increased, but that's a long way off for now.

[pineapple stu]

What was EL up to last year? Was it 240k for first round? 90k drop isn't insignificant. You'd hope the flip side is LoI sides should go through a round more often, but it looks like the first round will be very similar to EL

[oriel]

It was something like that, maybe 220k per round, Dundalk ended up with 3.2m I think in the end last year by making the group.

[CorribsideSteve]

The Europa League Conference is where we belong collectively as a Country. Hopefully the prize money is more achievable , and it will be interesting to see how comfortable LOI teams might be at that level.

[placid casual]

LOI teams should be qualifying for the Europa League group stages at least every 3 yrs in my opinion. None of the LOI teams got hockeyed last year, and I don't see too much difference in quality in the Conference, but I guess that remains to be seen.

[Bucket]

I don't know why people think that leagues at our level have a better chance of making group stages. As far as I can see, the Champions and Europa Leagues are smaller so the teams that miss out there will take Conference places. There'll still be English, Italian, German and Spanish teams to overcome

[A N Mouse]

I don't know why people think that leagues at our level have a better chance of making group stages. As far as I can see, the Champions and Europa Leagues are smaller so the teams that miss out there will take Conference places. There'll still be English, Italian, German and Spanish teams to overcome

Agree


In theory it's easier for champions from lower leagues to get to the conference groups, they now need to win 2 of 4 fixtures.
win CL Q1 -> win CL Q2 -> lose CL Q3 -> lose EL PO -> ECL
win CL Q1 -> lose CL Q2 -> win EL Q3 -> lose EL PO -> ECL
win CL Q1 -> lose CL Q2 -> lose EL Q3 -> win ECL PO -> ECL

Or 3 wins from 4 for EL, or ECL if lose CL Q1

with a favourable draw ECL seems achievable 1 year in 3

It's also easier, in theory, for teams from lower ranked countries to qualify for ECL with 17 spots now up for grabs between 129 [approximate number 2021] team, where previously it was 141 [approximate number 2018] teams competing for 13 spots.

However there are fewer teams in the first round, which now includes those who entered the preliminary round before. And with more teams now entering at Q2 than there will be winners in Q1 it's definitely skewed in favour of seeded teams.

In summary, chance of our champions in group stages of third competition are slightly better. But the slope just got steeper for the rest of our entrants.

[dlhoop]

Decent overview of available money.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/irish-league/how-much-is-europe-worth-to-irish-league-teams-all-you-need-to-know-as-linfield-guaranteed-810000-from-uefa-qualifiers-40495110.html?fbclid=IwAR1nzeDzY-d1Ze9hwgtPKO1BYer2xreCQgQ5LGNISOoQxwEc6DyReMSLn9k

[EatYerGreens]

I don't know why people think that leagues at our level have a better chance of making group stages. As far as I can see, the Champions and Europa Leagues are smaller so the teams that miss out there will take Conference places. There'll still be English, Italian, German and Spanish teams to overcome

Exactly. That was the whole idea behind the change. It's about keeping the small fry away from the big fish as much as possible, with a couple of extra maggots thrown at the little guys to keep them quiet and happy..

[yurt]

According to Bert's website the seeded teams for the first UCL qualifying round are:

Seeded clubs coef.
------------------------ --- --------
Dinamo Zagreb Cro 44.500
Ludogorets Razgrad Bul 28.000
Malmö FF Swe 18.500
CFR Cluj Rom 16.500
Legia Warsaw Pol 16.500
Sheriff Tiraspol Mol 14.500
Ferencváros Hun 13.500

Shkendija Tetovo Mac 9.000
Slovan Bratislava Svk 7.500
Dinamo Tbilisi Geo 6.500
Zalgiris Vilnius Lit 6.500
Alashkert FC Arm 6.500
Flora Tallinn Est 6.250
Buducnost Podgorica Mon 6.000
Kairat Almaty Kaz 6.000
Lincoln Red Imps Gib 5.750

Teams in bold I would give Rovers close to a 50% chance of winning. There's an argument to be made that Sheriff are the best draw as Rovers would take on their seeding for the second round should they come through it.

As proven last year with Dundalk a European run has as much to do with the draw as it does your own quality. This first round is by far the most important for Irish teams, if rovers can progress they should have enough games to pick up enough co-efficient points to be seeded in this round should they be in the CL next year

[EatYerGreens]

There's an argument to be made that Sheriff are the best draw as Rovers would take on their seeding for the second round should they come through it.

I wouldn't underestimate Sheriff.

They beat a high-flying Shelbourne side in the FAI Cup a few years ago.

[Dalymountrower]

I wouldn't underestimate Sheriff.

They beat a high-flying Shelbourne side in the FAI Cup a few years ago.

Certain bookies around Amiens Street and Fairview Strand, were very busy that day.

[oriel]

According to Bert's website the seeded teams for the first UCL qualifying round are:

Seeded clubs coef.
------------------------ --- --------
Dinamo Zagreb Cro 44.500
Ludogorets Razgrad Bul 28.000
Malmö FF Swe 18.500
CFR Cluj Rom 16.500
Legia Warsaw Pol 16.500
Sheriff Tiraspol Mol 14.500
Ferencváros Hun 13.500

Shkendija Tetovo Mac 9.000
Slovan Bratislava Svk 7.500
Dinamo Tbilisi Geo 6.500
Zalgiris Vilnius Lit 6.500
Alashkert FC Arm 6.500
Flora Tallinn Est 6.250
Buducnost Podgorica Mon 6.000
Kairat Almaty Kaz 6.000
Lincoln Red Imps Gib 5.750

Teams in bold I would give Rovers close to a 50% chance of winning. There's an argument to be made that Sheriff are the best draw as Rovers would take on their seeding for the second round should they come through it.

As proven last year with Dundalk a European run has as much to do with the draw as it does your own quality. This first round is by far the most important for Irish teams, if rovers can progress they should have enough games to pick up enough co-efficient points to be seeded in this round should they be in the CL next year

Although Dundalk got easy enough draws last year, all of them bar the play off were away, but I have to say if these were two legged jobs, I wouldn't think we could have made it. For example the impressive 1-1 draw away to Sheriff who were ranked higher and the seeded team in that round, you would just get the feeling they would have upped their game for the return leg in Ireland.

Still to get a Faroes team, regardless of their 3-0 walk over win and next game win over a covid raged side, was just unbelievable luck, and in Ireland.

[oriel]

Decent overview of available money.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/irish-league/how-much-is-europe-worth-to-irish-league-teams-all-you-need-to-know-as-linfield-guaranteed-810000-from-uefa-qualifiers-40495110.html?fbclid=IwAR1nzeDzY-d1Ze9hwgtPKO1BYer2xreCQgQ5LGNISOoQxwEc6DyReMSLn9k

Thanks for posting that, interesting figures, and seems more than I thought of for getting to R3 which I had down as €550K , seems its a good bit more then (€850k) if any club reaches that round.

Unseeded though will kill both Rovers and Linfield for their CL first game if they have hopes of getting the auto 1.4m euro at the first shot, and it would be a major surprise if either of them won given the strength of the seeded sides in CL r1, but you never know.

[holidaysong]

Same here, I wasn't aware of the €100k per round advanced money in addition to the drop out money. It makes things look a bit more lucrative alright.

[D24Saint]

Irish clubs in European draws: All you need to know (rte.ie) (https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2021/0613/1227882-irish-clubs-in-european-draws-all-you-need-to-know/)

Feel sorry for fans of the clubs involved this year as normally the night before the draw is like Christmas eve. I love planning the European trips.

[Nesta99]

Shows again where the opportunity there may have been for a properly run Dundalk and P6's messing so baffling. There is value in the seeding that's been built over the years, a decent manager and a league challenge next season and yer back in the hunt for significant financial reward never mind the chance to pull in half of what is 'owed' to owners this summer.

[holidaysong]

The possible opponents for Dundalk.

🇫🇮 FC Honka Espoo
🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 Newtown AFC
🇲🇹 Mosta FC
🇱🇺 Racing FC Union Letzebuerg
🇲🇰 FC Struga

[pineapple stu]

That's about as handy a group as an LoI club has ever gotten I'd say. Just avoid Honka really. Even Racing Union were a distant fourth in Luxembourg, though you never know with this current Dundalk side.

[Yossarian]

In normal circumstances you’d be delighted with those options but with the way we are on and off the pitch now I wouldn’t be confident of progression.

[placid casual]

Rovers group of 4 is horrible...
Malmö
Legia Warsaw
Slovan bratislava
Lincoln Red imps.

I'll pray to the god I don't believe in to hope we get imps.

[Longfordian]

That's about as handy a group as an LoI club has ever gotten I'd say. Just avoid Honka really. Even Racing Union were a distant fourth in Luxembourg, though you never know with this current Dundalk side.

We had a fun time in Newtown once upon a time. Still get shudders thinking about it at this time every year.

[Yossarian]

Rovers group of 4 is horrible...
Malmö
Legia Warsaw
Slovan bratislava
Lincoln Red imps.

I'll pray to the god I don't believe in to hope we get imps.

That’s a fairly awful group alright. A one in four chance of a good draw. And not even the comfort of what would be some decent away trips.

[Nesta99]

That's about as handy a group as an LoI club has ever gotten I'd say. Just avoid Honka really. Even Racing Union were a distant fourth in Luxembourg, though you never know with this current Dundalk side.

Our draw in Europe last year getting to group stage football and now this grouping - ye'd be mad not to invest considering the reward thats possible for minimal relative outlay. Magilton gets to manage at a level he is capable at!!

[Nesta99]

We had a fun time in Newtown once upon a time. Still get shudders thinking about it at this time every year.

Ive forgotten all about that one, any chance of a reminder?

[pineapple stu]

Caermarthen I presume?

Newtown is (or was anyway) about the only LoW ground up to UEFA standards and used to host a lost of Welsh clubs' games.

[Longfordian]

Yes that's it, Carmarthen played there. It's a grand little ground in fairness.

[Dalymountrower]

Good draw options for Bohs, possible redemption or double down humiliation games in Wales or Iceland.
Nice possible trips to occupied Andalucia or Malta.