LOI In Europe 2021

[Kingdom]

So this Teuta crowd tonight appear to be away specialists , won the league in Albania last year with only 7 home wins from 18 match's and losing only 2 away matches in 18.
They backed this form up by losing at home 2 nil to the Andorrans before winning 3 nil away and losing 4 nil at home to Sheriff and only 1 nil away.

So whats a good result tonight??
I watched the matches against Inter and they did look good in patches but i think if we play well we win.

A win, it has to be. Rovers are too good, and as standard-bearers for the league with the squad they have, we need them to progress.

[Dalymountrower]

Until I saw the weather forecast I thought it would be a bit of a shock if Rovers didnt t win handy enough tonight. But the south east wind and torrential rain will be whistling through the gap in the stands and at the Tallaght end, making it a difficult to control the game.
I am going for a 0-0 draw and Rovers to romp home away next week.

[paul_oshea]

"According to UEFA's club rankings, Vitesse go into this game in 146th position, some 20 places behind the visitors to the GelreDome"

Interesting stat, kinda shows what a bit of experience brings you in Europe, even if it's not an equal measure.

[Dalymountrower]

I know that this will probably unleash the wrath of WAR, the guardian of Montrose, but Bradley and Long are bang on about the RTE coverage of the domestic euro campaigns.
RTE are quite happy to starve domestic football of publicity /exposure , grudgingly throw in a few matches and then revel in the consequential low viewing figures. That is a spin and repeat cycle going on for the last few years in particular .
It really is time to forget about RTE coverage , things wont change there, and focus on other providers/ platforms.

[CSAD]

Pretty simple, the FAI should make it clear that when negotiations come around that if RTE want to air the Irish national team game they must also air the LOI teams games in Europe.

[joey B]

Personally I can never understand fans of one LOI wishing another well in Europe - why would one wish their rivals well especially in the context of the money that can be earned ? you wouldn’t expect Celtic fans to be cheering for Rangers or Everton for Liverpool .


Pretty simple, the FAI should make it clear that when negotiations come around that if RTE want to air the Irish national team game they must also air the LOI teams games in Europe.

RTÉ in previous negotiations have offered to pay extra if the LOI stipulation was dropped,they’d be delighted to never show any of it….

[Dalymountrower]

RTÉ in previous negotiations have offered to pay extra if the LOI stipulation was dropped,they’d be delighted to never show any of it….

Would be more honest for them just to drop the coverage completely, than the current sufferance of the problem child.I would think that there are a good few in the FAI who would gladly accept a bag of magic beans never mind 30 pieces of silver to remove domestic coverage from the so-called "package" with RTE.

[joey B]

Would be more honest for them just to drop the coverage completely, than the current sufferance of the problem child.I would think that there are a good few in the FAI who would gladly accept a bag of magic beans never mind 30 pieces of silver to remove domestic coverage from the so-called "package" with RTE.

Yeah but at the minute according to themselves RTÉ are broke,if the government are going to bail them out why not stipulate that more coverage is given ,but probably more chance of pigs flying…

[sparky12345678]

A win, it has to be. Rovers are too good, and as standard-bearers for the league with the squad they have, we need them to progress.


At the start of this week I was wondering what would be the "expected" outcome co-efficient wise for the week/ties and see how it plays out statistically.

It seems a reasonable expectation from the Rovers tie would be a win and a draw (ie 1.5 for the coefficient)?
From the other 4 games what were we expecting?
2 draws out of 4?
Could we expect/hope for a 1.5 from the 4 games...? (especially now, its simply asking Dundalk to get one draw from their 2 games...)

[WeAreRovers]

Pretty simple, the FAI should make it clear that when negotiations come around that if RTE want to air the Irish national team game they must also air the LOI teams games in Europe.

The FAI don't own those rights, the clubs do, nothing to do with the deal for the League & Cup. Good luck with getting the clubs to bundle their own European rights in with League & Cup rights. Not going to happen.

No offence to to CSAD but this basic lack of understanding of rights feeds into the conspiracy theories about RTÉ showing LOI football (see also manager comments and the post above, not to mention the blatant untruth from joey B below)

[Nesta99]

RTÉ in previous negotiations have offered to pay extra if the LOI stipulation was dropped,they’d be delighted to never show any of it….

So said Delaney when asked what he was doing for LoI, didnt RTE deny it? not that that changes the RTE attitude either. I vaguely recall a snide 'when LoI isnt one man and a dog at games it would be seen differently' in the 90s (pre provinical Heineken Cup involvement) and RTE promptly showed AIL rugby mostly at an empty grounds where the only infrastructure was a rope fence along one side of the pitch. So can see where the opinion of RTE comes from.

[joey B]

So said Delaney when asked what he was doing for LoI, didnt RTE deny it? not that that changes the RTE attitude either. I vaguely recall a snide 'when LoI isnt one man and a dog at games it would be seen differently' in the 90s (pre provinical Heineken Cup incolvement) and RTE promptly showed AIL rugby mostly at an empty grounds where the only infrastructure was a rope fence along one side of the pitch. So can see where the opinion of RTE comes from.

I actually couldn’t remember where I heard that and if it’s came from him then I’ll hold my hands up that it must be bollo*ks because he told more porkys than anyone ever did!

[Nesta99]

I'm pretty sure that JD was asked what he was doing for LoI and his response was that RTE offered money to the FAI not show games but John the Bap stood his ground, refused the additional money and insisted that if RTE wanted international games they had to show domestic games too martyr that he was and all. Now if he had taken the additional cash on offer and still had domestic games covered it might have have been a story worth spinning. Whether it actually happened well who knows with JD - spin 2 or 3 random yarns on one will apply to him tbh. Im less sure on RTE denying it, could have been a retrospective denial but the origins just sounds like bullsh!t, up there with with JD taking point on Blatter out and forcing FIFA to pay up or face legal action (the latter possibly true on form). Didnt it turn out to be a loan from FIFA rather than compensation for not being the 33rd team 2002?

[TheBoss]

just to be clear, while mine was a pointless investigation, it was simply to see how many teams had won the first leg, not seeing how many progressed when drawn at home.



Oh right!! I see now :o




Thanks boss - would you have the list to hand, be interested to see which ones I missed out unless they were pre 96? I didn't include the Cup winners cup as i didnt have the time.



1995/96
Cup Winners
Qualifying Round
Derry City
Lokomotiv Sofia
Bulgaria
1
0


1998/99
Cup Winners
Qualifying Round
Cork City
CSCA Kyiv
Ukraine
2
1


2004/05
Intertoto
First Round
Cork City
Malmö
Sweden
3
1


2005/06
Intertoto
First Round
Bohemians
Gent
Belgium
1
0


2006/07
Champions
First Qualifying Round
Cork City
Apollon Limassol
Cyprus
1
0


2009/10
Europa
Third Qualifying Round
St. Patrick's Athletic
Krylia Sovetov
Russia
1
0


2015/16
Europa
First Qualifying Round
UCD
F91 Dudelange
Luxembourg
1
0


2019/20
Europa
Second Qualifying Round
Shamrock Rovers
Apollon Limassol
Cyprus
2
1


2021/22
Conference
Third Qualifying Round
Bohemians
PAOK
Greece
2
1

[Nesta99]

Annoying that, werent uncomfortable - could keeper have done better or good finish. McEleney clipping the crossbar straight after, a goal would have taken some of the sting out of their tendency to play on the break so far. Cant give the ball away cheaply obviously

[paul_oshea]

It's been fairly even in fairness except Dundalk sitting very deep when they have the ball

[Philosophizer]

Didnt it turn out to be a loan from FIFA rather than compensation for not being the 33rd team 2002?

Yea it was a loan that was subsequently written off.

[Philosophizer]

Dundalk have looked decent on the right. Kelly put in a couple of dangerous crosses.

[Kingdom]

[TABLE="width: 800"]

1995/96
Cup Winners
Qualifying Round
Derry City
Lokomotiv Sofia
Bulgaria
1
0


1998/99
Cup Winners
Qualifying Round
Cork City
CSCA Kyiv
Ukraine
2
1


2004/05
Intertoto
First Round
Cork City
Malmö
Sweden
3
1


2005/06
Intertoto
First Round
Bohemians
Gent
Belgium
1
0



Much appreciated. Of course the inter-toto, chanced my arm ignoring the cup winners cup (a great competition), and to be fair, all 4 results there are quality.

To put it into context, Ireland has been drawn at home 3 times in play-offs for championships in the first leg, and won once, so perhaps there is a struggle mentally with trying to take the game to higher ranked opponents.

[paul_oshea]

Got lucky there in the last couple of mins, some great last gasp defending. If Dundalk can keep this to 1 goal it will be a good result. Then maybe snatch a draw at home at least good for their and the league's points.

Vitesse do have the feel of a team playing a pre-season friendly which is a bit worrying.

[Nesta99]

I was going to say it feels generally like a preseason friendly. Dundalk have another gear but Vitesse probably 2 or 3. McMillan has met his match with defenders this evening, commanding in the air, 1st touch flicks well covered. Ball in to space wide looks to be the best opportunity to get something. Lack of pace at the back is hurting us as as soon as possession coughed up we are scrambling and not making up for it with positioning or imposing physically. Its worrying us enough for Abibi to kick it long more often than playing it out. Not pressed high so much as they seem to be able to close very quickly.

[Nesta99]

Yea it was a loan that was subsequently written off.

Still super spoofed though as FIFA could have called it in either and not that they were in fear of JD and his FAI acolytes as was presented at the time.

[Nesta99]

Much appreciated. Of course the inter-toto, chanced my arm ignoring the cup winners cup (a great competition), and to be fair, all 4 results there are quality.

To put it into context, Ireland has been drawn at home 3 times in play-offs for championships in the first leg, and won once, so perhaps there is a struggle mentally with trying to take the game to higher ranked opponents.

You probably could factor in the worry of conceding an away goal in a first leg in terms of achievement too. 2nd leg advantage is diluted so much now it wouldnt be a surprise to see wins/score draws at home 1st leg increase in general.

[paul_oshea]

Unreal goal!

[paul_oshea]

Has the feel of a preseason goal too :D
Serious poor marking. They became complacent

[Nesta99]

Another rarity from the head of McEleney - they were showboating a bit, and we looked a bit better with Hoban on. Unexpected but they'll reset, stung by that!

Stupid new away goal rule!!

[Philosophizer]

McEleney. Different class!

[paul_oshea]

What does stus stats say now?

And for the other regulars what is the possession stats? The important stuff

[Nesta99]

Well well well..........

[ifk101]

What a goal! Brilliant.

[SPXcyan]

Like I asked the other night.. what on earth is going on here!

[Philosophizer]

Why the hell was Hoban taking a quick free kick there in his own half. Bit more savvy needed at times like this.

[joey B]

Should have kept that McEleney fella!

[Philosophizer]

Like I asked the other night.. what on earth is going on here!

It's unreal stuff all right. Are Dundalk getting some long overdue luck in Europe? Similar to a NI team beating a Danish outfit recently?

Nothing lucky about that finish tho. Pure class. But Dundalk probably should have been 2-0 or 3-0 down at half time.

[Nesta99]

RTE had Vitesse 2-1 up momentarily but is back now at 1-1;)

[Philosophizer]

What a rubbish goal to concede. FFS!

[SPXcyan]

Did he even try to head that away? brutal that!

[nigel-harps1954]

Nattestad the weak link in that defence. He's woeful.

[paul_oshea]

Disappointing, they had tired as well and had done feck all in the last 20 mins.

[Philosophizer]

Disappointing, they had tired as well and had done feck all in the last 20 mins.

Yep they hadn't created much in the last 20. Dundalk had no right to win that match really but for McEleney's genius.

If only they could have cleared that simple cross... Surely that would have been the best week in the history of LOI results in Europe?

[Dalymountrower]

Dont lose.

[Nesta99]

We were getting greedy as fans (and the odd player) at 1-2 and would have taken 2-2 all day every day before and up to 70mins or so. That sloppy goal is in this side more than most. Broken record stuff but look what you broke Peak6! An investment company that doesnt seem to want to make money? The 2020 champions side would have put Vitesse to the sword for being that lax.

[SkStu]

Fair play to Dundalk. That’s a great result away from home.

[paul_oshea]

We were getting greedy as fans (and the odd player) at 1-2 and would have taken 2-2 all day every day before and up to 70mins or so. That sloppy goal is in this side more than most. Broken record stuff but look what you broke Peak6! An investment company that doesnt seem to want to make money? The 2020 champions side would have put Vitesse to the sword for being that lax.

A game of two halves, I was trying to figure out how much of it came from complacency and then when they tried to sort out their mess, they were running on empty, and Dundalk with a bit more ilk could have possibly have had 3...and then the LOI washing cycle patter or a sloppy goal - usually done holding out for a draw mind you!

[Nesta99]

We use the term complacency but basically it is unprofessionalism and Id be pretty annoyed if Dundalk side went about as if a tie was done and dusted at 1-0. In the first half yes they spurned chances but I dont think you take any side for granted as it wasnt a totally dominant 1st half, especially not v one that has eeked out a few good results in recent years and been in group stages no matter how they got there. 2016 drawing against a better AZ side shouldnt be so forgotten that you take things for granted. Arrogant by Vitesse players, a failing from the manager to guard against too. Bohs at least were pretty much a total unknown for PAOK bar looking probably at earlier rounds. These Vitesse lads were kicking about in the park all smiles until they found themselves behind v a side they were more than able to dismantle at the back just on pace! I should add they knew it too with the impetulant red card and griping with the ref like the PAOK players Tuesday.

[ger121]

A Bridge too far! All joking aside, that was another excellent result for a LOI side. We are getting spoilt this year.

[Straightstory]

Rovers struggling to break down the Albanians who are so obsessed with persistent fouling and time wasting that they rarely venture into the home side's half.

[paul_oshea]

That second goal has 120k views on twitter already mclleney.

Rovers not incisive enough

[CorribsideSteve]

That was amazing stuff from Dundalk. What a game of football though. I had a feeling after about half an hour , you've seen it happen; utter wastefulness while 1-0 up, and it costing a team, that there was something here for Dundalk, though I also feared they'd be torn apart as vs Qarabag,Larnaca. It turned out to be vital to still be in the game, and tie, 1-0 down at the break. Agreed with Nesta; sheer arrogance, smug smirks etc. I've been waiting for a long time to see McEleney magic in Europe, and tonight he does THAT. The manner of their blocking and digging in for each other tonight was great to see also. I feel that Dundalk learned something from Vitesse's insane high enrgy high press in the first half, in that, whenever they themselves went to press, they got results as the game went on, which helped with the counter attack nature of the goals. Abibi made several realy imprtant interventions, Boyle also. When Hoban came on and Dundalk changed shape it really worked. McMillan had a tough night, completely crowded out of everything. If only they had hung on, but the auld LOI slopy goal inevitably had to make it's way into the script. It's encouraging that some see it as disappointing; that shows progress for me to be disappointed not to have beaten a side from the 5th/6th best League in Europe. Dundalk, against all the odds are still very much in this, and I'd not have beleived that at 6pm this evening. Pleasantly pleased to have been wrong on both counts so far this week in that regard! As for the current game, Rovers appear very flat and sluggish tonight, notwithstanding all the playacting and frsutration techniques of their opponents. Still think they can win, but they need to be press on now.

[ger121]

TNS 4 nil up to Plzen. They are decent in Europe this season. Bohs watch - 1-1 in the Hibs game.