Transfers 2019 season

[White Horse]

I didn't realise Supple was playing with an injury. Is this a surprise to Bohs fans or something that was feared/expected?

[sbgawa]

Massive loss for bohs but even a die hard rovers fan can't take any pleasure out of this.
Gutted for the lad always admired him.

[Philosophizer]

Keeper looks like a replacement for Supple who has announced his retirement due to ongoing injury.

Terrible shame to see Supple retire. He was an excellent player, and a great ambassador for the league.

Do Bohs still have McCabe as a keeper too? I guess it will be McCabe and the new guy battling for the number 1 jersey next season?

[Jack B]

Gutting news about Supple, the league is worse off without him. Handily one of the best players in the league and a good character to boot. Will take some job replacing him.

[joey B]

Terrible news that only 31 ,for a keeper that would mean he had a good few years left in him yet.

[seand]

Maybe he's just retiring to get out of a contract so he can sign for Rovers?

Seriously though, it's a pity to see one of the better players in the league retire early. It's thrown a bit of a cruve ball at Bohs too, presumably a keeper wasn't high on the shopping list before this.

[Ezeikial]

It must be devastating for him to be forced to retire so young, particularly when he opted out of the game for so long after his first retirement on his return from England.

It certainly presents Keith Long with yet more unwanted challenges to replace key players

He was the best goalkeeper at Bohs by some distance and possibly even the best goalkeeper at a Dublin club last season.

[micls]

He was the best goalkeeper at Bohs by some distance and possibly even the best goalkeeper at a Dublin club last season.

His fellow pros thought he 2qs the best keeper in the league last season. If you have to go out, that's a nice way to finish.

[RathfarnhamHoop]

He was the best goalkeeper at Bohs by some distance and possibly even the best goalkeeper at a Dublin club last season.

Best keeper in the league over the course of the season by a mile but nice subtle attempt at a dig there.

Even as a Rovers fan it's a shame to see him retire so young, not least because now we'll never get to sign him :p, but a real quality keeper and more importantly a nice guy too to go along with that, he seems like the sort of guy who'd be a brilliant goalkeeper coach so maybe we'll see him in that role somewhere.

Bohs seem to have a really good replacement in for him in Talbot though. Think he's a Bohs fan too so that's a nice bonus for them, played outfield for Ballymun GAA team too since his release from Sunderland so won't be behind in fitness or anything.

[Ezeikial]

His fellow pros thought he 2qs the best keeper in the league last season. If you have to go out, that's a nice way to finish.

It's quite an honour to be recognised in this way by your fellow professionals as was being called into the Republic of Ireland squad. There is no doubt that he was an excellent goalkeeper as was 2015 recipient Michael Slingerman.



Best keeper in the league over the course of the season by a mile but nice subtle attempt at a dig there.


No dig at all at Shane Supple - I think he was an excellent keeper.

Although I think some posters are guilty of hyperbole in comparing him with other current keepers in the league. With a well regarded back four in front of him, he still managed to concede 45 league goals this season. That compares with 20 conceded by Dundalk and 27 conceded by Cork City. Even Rovers with their goalkeeping calamity janes only conceded 27 between them - that's way less than what Bohs let in.

[marinobohs]

It's quite an honour to be recognised in this way by your fellow professionals as was being called into the Republic of Ireland squad. There is no doubt that he was an excellent goalkeeper as was 2015 recipient Michael Slingerman.




No dig at all at Shane Supple - I think he was an excellent keeper.

Although I think some posters are guilty of hyperbole in comparing him with other current keepers in the league. With a well regarded back four in front of him, he still managed to concede 45 league goals this season. That compares with 20 conceded by Dundalk and 27 conceded by Cork City. Even Rovers with their goalkeeping calamity janes only conceded 27 between them - that's way less than what Bohs let in.

Supple was, rightly, recognized as the best keeper in the league last season. He made a few mistakes but what keeper didn't ? was very good influence at Bohs both on and off the field. To suggest he had any fault in the vast majority of goals we conceded is simply silly.

[Dalymountrower]

Terrible new about Supple, as important for his ability to organise the various centre half partnerships in front of him. He was also a great ambassador for the club and for the league. With Morris also gone that is a huge loss of on field leadership. Hopefully he can be persuaded to continue in some role within the club.

[Ezeikial]

To suggest he had any fault in the vast majority of goals we conceded is simply silly.

I didn't suggest that

(but then you probably knew that anyway before you even posted that comment).

[sbgawa]

It's quite an honour to be recognised in this way by your fellow professionals as was being called into the Republic of Ireland squad. There is no doubt that he was an excellent goalkeeper as was 2015 recipient Michael Slingerman.




No dig at all at Shane Supple - I think he was an excellent keeper.

Although I think some posters are guilty of hyperbole in comparing him with other current keepers in the league. With a well regarded back four in front of him, he still managed to concede 45 league goals this season. That compares with 20 conceded by Dundalk and 27 conceded by Cork City. Even Rovers with their goalkeeping calamity janes only conceded 27 between them - that's way less than what Bohs let in.


How can this be anything but a dig EZ....."he managed to concede 45 goals with a well regarded back 4 in front of him".
The guy was first class,

[Kingdom]

Best keeper in the league over the course of the season by a mile but nice subtle attempt at a dig there.

Even as a Rovers fan it's a shame to see him retire so young, not least because now we'll never get to sign him :p, but a real quality keeper and more importantly a nice guy too to go along with that, he seems like the sort of guy who'd be a brilliant goalkeeper coach so maybe we'll see him in that role somewhere.
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Supple is the main man (or heavily involved) behind a goalkeeping network or coaching classes across the city. Certainly this was in operation up to last year. I'd say he was doing tidily out of it.

[oriel]

Supple was indeed an super keeper and he seemed a more than decent guy too anytime I heard him on interviews or podcasts. He had a brilliant spell with Bohs and he will go down as one of the best keepers in recent years. He did get voted on to the TOTY by his fellow pros but I`m not sure he won any of the journalist voted potm awards, he definitely didnt win any this season.

He was an excellent keeper, I have no argument with this, but you also have to look at his stats, the top keeper conceeded 20 and the next 27, Supple came in at 45. How that be the best keeper 'by a mile' ?

What is not in question was his ability, he was one of the best keepers in recent seasons, I think that's a fair statement.

[nigel-harps1954]

Let's not get ahead of yourselves there. I could have stood in goal for Dundalk this season and conceded less than 30.

[micls]

I'm sure any player would put far more weight in the PFAI selections that journo selections. I don't think him not being chosen by journos is a reflection on his performances in recent seasons.

And to say goals conceded is what decides who is the 'top keeper' is foolish. Unless you're breaking down the stats to saves vs chances taken, collections of balls into the box etc, they mean very little as a comparison between keepers in very very different teams.

Supple undoubtedly had a better season that Nults. The figures don't tell the story in any meaningful way.

[Ezeikial]

Huge news to see Supple retire. Big loss to Bohs. Best goalkeeper in the league by some distance.


Let's not get ahead of yourselves there. I could have stood in goal for Dundalk this season and conceded less than 30.

You have a knack for both exaggeration and hyperbole - much like the ten goal a season hat stand

[mcgonigle]

I'm sure any player would put far more weight in the PFAI selections that journo selections. I don't think him not being chosen by journos is a reflection on his performances in recent seasons.

And to say goals conceded is what decides who is the 'top keeper' is foolish. Unless you're breaking down the stats to saves vs chances taken, collections of balls into the box etc, they mean very little as a comparison between keepers in very very different teams.

Supple undoubtedly had a better season that Nults. The figures don't tell the story in any meaningful way.

The fact is that what people are calling the best keeper in the league conceded 45 goals. Now whether that was down to him or having a poor defence in front of him is the question. But remember one of those defenders also got in TOTY, the 2 centre halves have been widely plauded for their performances and one signed by yourselves. The other is Pender the captain.

[RathfarnhamHoop]

Supple was indeed an super keeper and he seemed a more than decent guy too anytime I heard him on interviews or podcasts. He had a brilliant spell with Bohs and he will go down as one of the best keepers in recent years. He did get voted on to the TOTY by his fellow pros but I`m not sure he won any of the journalist voted potm awards, he definitely didnt win any this season.

He was an excellent keeper, I have no argument with this, but you also have to look at his stats, the top keeper conceeded 20 and the next 27, Supple came in at 45. How that be the best keeper 'by a mile' ?

What is not in question was his ability, he was one of the best keepers in recent seasons, I think that's a fair statement.

Can't believe I'm having to defend a Bohs player here but if you're using potm awards as benchmarks then Gavin Bazunu was the best keeper in the league this season, and you cannot use team statistics alone to talk about specific players. The 20 goals Dundalk conceded could be off 20 shots on target (I know they're not but this is to show how ridiculous using those statistics can be so I'm exaggerating), while the 45 could be off 450. You simply cannot go "this team conceded the least therefore their keeper in the best" it simply does not work that way.
And since all the Dundalk fans are trying to say it without saying it I'll just stop it in it's tracks, nobody, and I really mean nobody, outside of Dundalk fans think that Rodgers was the best keeper in the league this season.


The fact is that what people are calling the best keeper in the league conceded 45 goals. Now whether that was down to him or having a poor defence in front of him is the question. But remember one of those defenders also got in TOTY, the 2 centre halves have been widely plauded for their performances and one signed by yourselves. The other is Pender the captain.

So him being in TOTS isn't relevant but one of his defenders being in it, two others being widely lauded and another being the captain are important? Are you actually reading what you're typing?

[nigel-harps1954]

You have a knack for both exaggeration and hyperbole - much like the ten goal a season hat stand

Let's not go down the road of "you have a knack", that could end badly for you.

[mcgonigle]

So him being in TOTS isn't relevant but one of his defenders being in it, two others being widely lauded and another being the captain are important? Are you actually reading what you're typing?

To be fair I'm not surprised you couldn't grasp what I was saying. Who's the weak link in the back 5? conceding 45 goals would suggest there has to be one.

And since you've put it out there, of course we think Rogers is the best goalkeeper in the league. The stats back that up. He hasn't put a foot wrong all season and made countless crucial saves. Bohs fans themselves have said Supple had a few bloopers this season. Supple is a fine keeper and it's a real shame he has to retire so young, but he's not the best keeper in the league and never has been

[Nesta99]

What??? No one done the whole 'yawn' post yet?!!

Rogers just had his best season for Dundalk so understandible why Dundalk fans would rate him higher. Supple i'm sure would have had equally impressive stats behind the Dundalk defence at minimum. As for who is the better keeper? Depends on what aspect of the keepers role people focus on imo, they have their strengths and weaknesses. That Supple is 31 and was hitting the generally considered keepers' prime, with much of a muchness between them (again imo) he would have gone on to be a better all round player. Thats taking in to consideration how much Rogers has improved even as a very experienced player and if Supple had followed the same sort of rate of improvement then there wouldnt be a doubt on who was better. As it is its all down to personal opinion unless someone is going to micro analyse all the stats.

[Ezeikial]

Can't believe I'm having to defend a Bohs player here but if you're using potm awards as benchmarks then Gavin Bazunu was the best keeper in the league this season, and you cannot use team statistics alone to talk about specific players. The 20 goals Dundalk conceded could be off 20 shots on target (I know they're not but this is to show how ridiculous using those statistics can be so I'm exaggerating), while the 45 could be off 450. You simply cannot go "this team conceded the least therefore their keeper in the best" it simply does not work that way.



Ok so you say statistics alone don't tell the story. Maybe you can tell us how it does work - back up your opinion that Shane Supple was

"Best keeper in the league over the course of the season by a mile"

[RathfarnhamHoop]

To be fair I'm not surprised you couldn't grasp what I was saying. Who's the weak link in the back 5? conceding 45 goals would suggest there has to be one.

And since you've put it out there, of course we think Rogers is the best goalkeeper in the league. The stats back that up. He hasn't put a foot wrong all season and made countless crucial saves. Bohs fans themselves have said Supple had a few bloopers this season. Supple is a fine keeper and it's a real shame he has to retire so young, but he's not the best keeper in the league and never has been

To be fair I'm not surprised you can't grasp the fact that the back 5 aren't solely responsible for the amount of goals conceded, almost literally the first thing you learn in football is defending starts from the front. You're also completely ignoring the fact that Bohs defence wasn't settled at all for most of the season. The stats don't, a stat does, a team stat at that. There's no publicly available stats that can definitively state who the best keeper in the league is but team stats don't do it. You need goal to shot ratios, completed passes, errors per game.

I'm going to dumb it down for you, nice and simple. Fans of everyone other than Dundalk think he was better than Rogers, fellow professionals think he was the best this season therefore he was the best this season.

[marinobohs]

What??? No one done the whole 'yawn' post yet?!!

Rogers just had his best season for Dundalk so understandible why Dundalk fans would rate him higher. Supple i'm sure would have had equally impressive stats behind the Dundalk defence at minimum. As for who is the better keeper? Depends on what aspect of the keepers role people focus on imo, they have their strengths and weaknesses. That Supple is 31 and was hitting the generally considered keepers' prime, with much of a muchness between them (again imo) he would have gone on to be a better all round player. Thats taking in to consideration how much Rogers has improved even as a very experienced player and if Supple had followed the same sort of rate of improvement then there wouldnt be a doubt on who was better. As it is its all down to personal opinion unless someone is going to micro analyse all the stats.

Are Dundalk fans capable of accepting any player outside of Oriel is better than Dundalk equivalent ? I thought Rogers had an excellent season, maybe even his best and could understand when journalists had him in their TOTY. similarly I could accept the exclusion of two Cork players (in particular) at the expense of their Dundalk and Rovers counterparts, although it must have been close.But the first time Rogers is excluded we get the whole 'toys out of pram' silliness from some Dundalk fans.
Rogers had a great season in a great team Supple had an exceptional season in a part time team, which is better ?Who cares, its all a matter of opinion. if Dundalk fans choose to believe Rogers would be their choice ahead of Supple so be it but I doubt many others would agree.

Stupid digs about individual players cut both ways, don't have to search far for a few Rogers screw ups - irrespective of what the stats say.

[Nesta99]

Are Dundalk fans capable of accepting any player outside of Oriel is better than Dundalk equivalent ? I thought Rogers had an excellent season, maybe even his best and could understand when journalists had him in their TOTY. similarly I could accept the exclusion of two Cork players (in particular) at the expense of their Dundalk and Rovers counterparts, although it must have been close.But the first time Rogers is excluded we get the whole 'toys out of pram' silliness from some Dundalk fans.
Rogers had a great season in a great team Supple had an exceptional season in a part time team, which is better ?Who cares, its all a matter of opinion. if Dundalk fans choose to believe Rogers would be their choice ahead of Supple so be it but I doubt many others would agree.

Stupid digs about individual players cut both ways, don't have to search far for a few Rogers screw ups - irrespective of what the stats say.

Is that not what I said? I didnt have a dig at any player either!

[ToberonaTornado]

Dave Webster (Waterford FC to St.Pats.Ath)

[marinobohs]

Is that not what I said? I didnt have a dig at any player either!

Wasn't suggesting you had a dig, in fact concur with most of your post so apols for quoting you, I didn't want to get into a 'row' with other Dundalk posters whom appear incapable of accepting anything other than Dundalk players in any selection. should have directly quoted them but lifes too short !

lets just agree they both had very good seasons and move on ;).

[Ezeikial]

Are Dundalk fans capable of accepting any player outside of Oriel is better than Dundalk equivalent ? I thought Rogers had an excellent season, maybe even his best and could understand when journalists had him in their TOTY. similarly I could accept the exclusion of two Cork players (in particular) at the expense of their Dundalk and Rovers counterparts, although it must have been close.But the first time Rogers is excluded we get the whole 'toys out of pram' silliness from some Dundalk fans.
Rogers had a great season in a great team Supple had an exceptional season in a part time team, which is better ?Who cares, its all a matter of opinion. if Dundalk fans choose to believe Rogers would be their choice ahead of Supple so be it but I doubt many others would agree.

Stupid digs about individual players cut both ways, don't have to search far for a few Rogers screw ups - irrespective of what the stats say.

Your opening line presents a strange interpretation of the recent exchange of posts on this subject. For me, it has nothing to do with the exclusion of Gary Rogers from the PFAI team awards (btw it's 2012 since he was last in)

Nor is it about about having digs at any player - stupid or otherwise. I accept it's a matter of opinion, which can fly in the faces of the available statistics. Sometimes these are presented in such a bizarrely exaggerated way, that they are inevitably challenged


Best goalkeeper in the league by some distance.


Best keeper in the league over the course of the season by a mile

[marinobohs]

Your opening line presents a strange interpretation of the recent exchange of posts on this subject. For me, it has nothing to do with the exclusion of Gary Rogers from the PFAI team awards (btw it's 2012 since he was last in)

Nor is it about about having digs at any player - stupid or otherwise. I accept it's a matter of opinion, which can fly in the faces of the available statistics. Sometimes these are presented in such a bizarrely exaggerated way, that they are inevitably challenged

Or maybe occasionally, everyone else (sorry the majority) is right ?
if you don't think he was the best choice then who is better ?

[pineapple stu]

I suppose there's a valid point in all that. Bohs did quite well this season, all things taken into account. But if they ship, say, 10 goals more next season, are they in danger of a fight to avoid the play-offs?

[oriel]

Are Dundalk fans capable of accepting any player outside of Oriel is better than Dundalk equivalent ?.

Absoutley there are better players out there, Sadlier is one, Hery probably is another, equally there are lots of players that would improve Dundalk also like McEneff and the young keeper from Warrenpoint, McCarey. Dundalk are also in for the latter two I believe.

I`ll also balance out the argument that it was ridiculous that no Cork player was on the Soccer Rep TOTY, Sadlier should have been a shoe in, and McLaughlin would have had a decent shout also.

Its all about opinions though, and Supple will bow out having the the comfort knowing he was one of the best !

[ArFella]

I'll preface this with saying that I hate team's of the year, as they are entirely opinion based and only serve as filler for papers and TV shows at the end of a season. The team that wins the league title is the Team of the year. I accept that some Dundalk fans (Myself included) can get carried away at time and overrate a player or 2 that we are watching week in and week out as opposed to someone we see maybe twice a year and on the odd highlight reel, but it's the same for opposition fans downplaying our players. So far I've heard Nigel could do a job for us in goal and a Hatstand could score 10 goals playing up front all season... I mean, come on... I know we go on about the great football we play and the quality of our team but maybe it's because they are genuinely the best players in the league.

[sbgawa]

Best team but not individually the 11 best players.
I thought my hat stand comment was quality banter btw. :) happy to stand over it. ;)

[joey B]

Conan Byrne to Shelbourne is a done deal apparently,Shelbourne must be early favorites for the first division next season.

[Ezeikial]

Dave Webster (Waterford FC to St.Pats.Ath)

Could be a very good signing for St Pats.

Toner, Webster and Desmond to fight it out for starting places although both Webster and Desmond have full back experience too. Maybe Desmond is earmarked for a holding midfield position

Is Leahy signed for next season?

[Jack B]

Webster is in to replace Leahy, who has been let go. Decent upgrade and provides actual competition for Desmond and Toner rather than a distinct drop off in quality.

I sincerely hope that's the case and it stays that way anyway, and isn't so Desmond can push up to midfield. He's more than capable there and by the nature of him being so good has had great performances playing there, but he's been brilliant at the back for us and should be the first name on the team sheet in that position.

Decent bones of a squad for us so far with Clarkey/Madden/Bermo/Desmond/Webster/Toner/Lennon/Clifford/Markey/Shaw confirmed for next season. Should be a few more signing back and with a couple more decent additions to them we should put up a proper challenge for Europe. Which we were on course to do this time around outside of that ridiculous run in the middle of the season.

[Shearer]

Conan Byrne to Shelbourne is a done deal apparently,Shelbourne must be early favorites for the first division next season.
They've splashed out a nice bit, be a disaster if they don't go up.

[micls]

The
[QUOTE=mcgonigle;1982531]but he's not the best keeper in the league and never has been

The players in the league disagree. Their view likely holds more weight than any fans.

But if you prefer fan opinions, the fans of every club bar your own also disagree with you.

Maybe a blanket statement that he's not the best keeper in the league based solely on goals conceded with no reference to shots on target is nonsensical.

Percentage of shots on target conceded would also be a flawed statistic, but it would be vastly more useful than just goals conceded.

[Ezeikial]

The players in the league disagree. Their view likely holds more weight than any fans.

But if you prefer fan opinions, the fans of every club bar your own also disagree with you.

Maybe a blanket statement that he's not the best keeper in the league based solely on goals conceded with no reference to shots on target is nonsensical.

Percentage of shots on target conceded would also be a flawed statistic, but it would be vastly more useful than just goals conceded.

Shane Supple may well have been the best goalkeeper in the league last season but it is a very subjective opinion.

It's understandable that you are dismissive of statistics, although you appear unable to offer any that support your contention - unlike for example anyone putting forward a case for any of Gary Rogers, Mark McNulty, or even Lawrence Vigouroux or Alan Mannus for example

The PFAI voting is certainly relevant, as are the deliberations of the Soccer Republic pundits even if they reflect differing opinions

I hope your statement 'the fans of every club bar your own also disagree with you' is not simply based on the handful of posts here - it is likely that you would find fans in every club to hold contrary views on any named player

Shane Supple has had an excellent season and has been one of the top goalkeepers in the league over the last few years, but the fact remains that he conceded twice the number of league goals as Gary Rogers and significantly more than Mark McNulty and even the Shamrock Rovers eclectic crew of net-minders.

[RathfarnhamHoop]

Here's two stats, Gavin Bazunu didn't concede a league goal all season, also the only keeper to win POTM therefore by some of the logic here he was the best goalkeeper this season. Don't be dismissive of stats now Dundalk fans, that would be very hypocritical of you, especially since that's two stats to back up Bazunu's claim to Rogers' one.

You've got Rovers fans here arguing for a Bohs player, that says it all.

[Mr A]

Let's all just agree that all the Dundalk players are the best in their position. It seems like it's important to them. For a team that just won the double some of ye are coming off a bit needy!

[Ezeikial]

Let's all just agree that all the Dundalk players are the best in their position. It seems like it's important to them. For a team that just won the double some of ye are coming off a bit needy!


That's so strange that you make this faux call for unity and agreement, while simultaneously misrepresenting many of the views expressed here.

If your comment is an attempt to goad, provoke, mock or ridicule those who have expressed an alternative view to others, that seems to me to be strange behaviour for a forum moderator.

Before I check out on this subject, let me summarise my own views - I disagree with these posts and believe that there are a number of goalkeepers at a similar level in the league:




. Best goalkeeper in the league by some distance.


Best keeper in the league over the course of the season by a mile

[nigel-harps1954]

I like that you've quoted the same post from me about four times now.

Let's just remember that his own peers agreed and voted him the best goalkeeper in the league. No amount of quoting other peoples posts will change that.

[Ezeikial]

I like that you've quoted the same post from me about four times now.

Let's just remember that his own peers agreed and voted him the best goalkeeper in the league. No amount of quoting other peoples posts will change that.

Agreed

I don't believe anyone suggested differently

[sbgawa]

Agreed

I don't believe anyone suggested differently

"managed to concede 45 goals behind a highly rated back 4"
is'nt exactly to suggest you are in full agreement.
Tough taskmaster

[Shearer]

Supple was the best keeper in the league.

Look at it this way:
Cork conceded 27 league goals this season against Bohs' 45. Does that mean that McNulty is better than Supple and would you choose McNulty over Supple?
Never.

[micls]

Shane Supple may well have been the best goalkeeper in the league last season but it is a very subjective opinion.

It's understandable that you are dismissive of statistics, although you appear unable to offer any that support your contention - unlike for example anyone putting forward a case for any of Gary Rogers, Mark McNulty, or even Lawrence Vigouroux or Alan Mannus for example

The PFAI voting is certainly relevant, as are the deliberations of the Soccer Republic pundits even if they reflect differing opinions

I hope your statement 'the fans of every club bar your own also disagree with you' is not simply based on the handful of posts here - it is likely that you would find fans in every club to hold contrary views on any named player

Shane Supple has had an excellent season and has been one of the top goalkeepers in the league over the last few years, but the fact remains that he conceded twice the number of league goals as Gary Rogers and significantly more than Mark McNulty and even the Shamrock Rovers eclectic crew of net-minders.

Find me a non Dundalk fan that says Rogers had a better season than Supple and I'll concede the point.

I'm dismissive of the misuse of statistics. Lies, damned lies and statistics.