Transfers 2019 season

[sbgawa]

So all in all the books balanced and 4th biggest budget it remains!

No I'd say it's 2nd biggest now.

Dundalk


Rovers
Pats
Derry
Cork
Bohs
Sligo
Waterford
Harps
Ucd

My guess

[marinobohs]

No I'd say it's 2nd biggest now.

Dundalk


Rovers
Pats
Derry
Cork
Bohs
Sligo
Waterford
Harps
Ucd

My guess
Bohs budget bigger than Sligo and Waterford? Wow, you really talk some ****e 😁

[sbgawa]

Pretty sure about Waterford post power pulling the plug, Sligo is ? U could be right

[Nesta99]

Not to pick on Cork after a poor night tonight but even with budget cuts, the size of squad, signings in before Christmas, JC eeking every cent out of the board well they'd possibly be above Derry and on par with Pats. But spleculation it is. Waterford at the start of the season would be a lot higher. Rovers are no paupers in contracts willing to be offered - similar to Cork the BoM is probably more generous than the membership would be comfortable with. Next AGM we will all know!

[Charlie Darwin]

Rovers made a decent offer to Duffy, plus they went over to Oldham and spoke to McEleney so thats at least 2 more. I think DFC ceased interest in Lafferty once they sorted things with Jarvis two weeks ago, although he was close to leaving by all accounts. This left Dundalk with two left fulls, seems a good move by Rovers to then enter the fray and offer Lafferty a deal, good player.
All plane sailing with Jarvis and DFC now?

But, yeah, we were in for McEleney and Boyle and got none of them. We do have the spending power to compete with Dundalk but the champions are going to be a bigger draw for most players. When we start winning things we'll be able to compete on a level footing but they're getting the benefit of their success.

[Nesta99]

Even playing in the ****hole of Oriel Park Dundalk is more attractive to players? or simply playing in hooped shirts means they'd sign for buttons (or a new kitchen sink), well RH and Asterix would think so. Where Dundalk need to progress in Europe to try and balance the books, Rovers needed the additional financial injection of the transfers to close the gap. In demand players will benefit from the two clubs being interested.

[Charlie Darwin]

I wouldn't agree with my hooped colleagues on Oriel Park being a negative for players. They generally want to play for the best teams and win things and that's Dundalk right now and for the last six or seven years. Rovers have money, Dundalk have money, and players will go where they can win trophies. It's not like the Croly days when we had a lower budget than Wexford and the horrible Rovers fans unfairly castigated him for not getting a point off the galacticos in Limerick.

[Ezeikial]

I can't imagine the restricted view from the away terrace has much impact on players decisions.

Other facilities such as the training and player prep facilities in the YDC probably do.

[Nesta99]

I wouldn't agree with my hooped colleagues on Oriel Park being a negative for players. They generally want to play for the best teams and win things and that's Dundalk right now and for the last six or seven years. Rovers have money, Dundalk have money, and players will go where they can win trophies. It's not like the Croly days when we had a lower budget than Wexford and the horrible Rovers fans unfairly castigated him for not getting a point off the galacticos in Limerick.

Just paid expenses and get to keep a jersey those days! and of course got to ply their trade in Tallaght Staduim...

[El-Pietro]

Not to pick on Cork after a poor night tonight but even with budget cuts, the size of squad, signings in before Christmas, JC eeking every cent out of the board well they'd possibly be above Derry and on par with Pats. But spleculation it is. Waterford at the start of the season would be a lot higher. Rovers are no paupers in contracts willing to be offered - similar to Cork the BoM is probably more generous than the membership would be comfortable with. Next AGM we will all know!
At the start of the season we were probably third highest after Dundalk and Rovers. Possibly Pats close but I'd imagine we were ahead of them. We cut the budget after last year but it was still competitive. Right now I'd say we're climbing down the rankings, we've moved on a number of high earners and typically replaced them with players on lower wages or not replaced them at all.

Going into next season I think we'll be reducing it further, crowds will be expected to be lower and we don't have European money but I don't think we'll fall too far. We still have relatively good crowds, good sponsorship deals and merchandising is actually better this year than any previous season I believe. I think we'd be relatively competitive with Pats and Derry in terms of wage budget. I don't know if we'll be ahead of or behind them but I don't think there would be much of a gap between the three of us. You'd imagine Dundalk and Rovers will both be significantly ahead of everyone else.

[RathfarnhamHoop]

Where Dundalk need to progress in Europe to try and balance the books, Rovers needed the additional financial injection of the transfers to close the gap

Considering one clubs board had to pump in a million quid to keep the wage budget under the 65% of annual turnover allowed and the others didn't put anything in, I know which financial plan I'd say is going better so far anyway.

[Nesta99]

Do loans secured against shares count as cash injections from board members?

[Ezeikial]

Considering one clubs board had to pump in a million quid to keep the wage budget under the 65% of annual turnover allowed and the others didn't put anything in, I know which financial plan I'd say is going better so far anyway.

Please don't stimulate another round of debates on Rovers finances.

It's never pretty

[Briuk]

Rovers made a decent offer to Duffy, plus they went over to Oldham and spoke to McEleney so thats at least 2 more. I think DFC ceased interest in Lafferty once they sorted things with Jarvis two weeks ago, although he was close to leaving by all accounts. This left Dundalk with two left fulls, seems a good move by Rovers to then enter the fray and offer Lafferty a deal, good player.

What was the problem with Jarvis?

[Nesta99]

He was suspended by the club for a couple of weeks for being a silly boy.

[marinobohs]

Do loans secured against shares count as cash injections from board members?
Or using Sports council stadium grants to pay wages ?

[sbgawa]

Tip up to roadstone next time st Kevin's have a game and you'll see where the money has been spent

[RathfarnhamHoop]

Do loans secured against shares count as cash injections from board members?

Actually in terms of being counted in a clubs annual turnover, no, no they don't.

[marinobohs]

Tip up to roadstone next time st Kevin's have a game and you'll see where the money has been spent
Grants that were allocated for Tallaght ?

[sbgawa]

Bangs head off wall......

[marinobohs]

Bangs head off wall......
Ahh, that would explain most of your posts 😁

[Nesta99]

Actually in terms of being counted in a clubs annual turnover, no, no they don't.

It will effect the annual balance sheet negatively. But you are right, until repayments are being made it wont impact on turnover but at some point unless written off the loan will come in to play. Is it a cash injection from a board member though, even if intended to pay for capital developments?

On a side note, is Roadstone owned by Rovers or part lease agreement involved? (genuine question!!).

[sbgawa]

Roadstone is owned by roadstone ;) but rovers have a long lease. Pretty sure it's 10 years at least.
Iirc it might be 11 years left of 15

[total hoofball]

Darragh O'Connor has left Wexford to sign for Leicester City

Encouraging to see a young player who departed Shamrock Rovers U19s to sign for a club struggling in the First Division for first team opportunities get his reward with signing for a PL club

[Ezeikial]

David Meyler retires at 30 as a result of a knee injury shortly after Vinny Perth allegedly rejected a proposed deal to sign him

[Charlie Darwin]

David Meyler retires at 30 as a result of a knee injury shortly after Vinny Perth allegedly rejected a proposed deal to sign him
Injury notwithstanding, can't say I blame Perth. A fit Meyler would be an upgrade on Shields but hardly the area you'd want to be splashing the cash considering you've already got a top class player there.

[oriel]

I have a feeling this winter Dundalk will be signing a lot higher calibre of player, some will obviously need to move on. Murray has been ok this year but was expecting a lot more, maybe the year two thing he will kick in, like a lot moving to Dundalk generally do.

We need better quality MF and another decent striker. I'd def keep Hoban but that contract thing is dragging on.

[joey B]

McAleer left Harps,happened a while ago but he just put it out on Twitter due to work and personal commitments...

[D24Saint]

I have a feeling this winter Dundalk will be signing a lot higher calibre of player, some will obviously need to move on. Murray has been ok this year but was expecting a lot more, maybe the year two thing he will kick in, like a lot moving to Dundalk generally do.

We need better quality MF and another decent striker. I'd def keep Hoban but that contract thing is dragging on.

Id expect SOD to try bring a few from Dundalk in the close season.

[Ezeikial]

Id expect SOD to try bring a few from Dundalk in the close season.

Anyone in particular that you are expecting?

[Nesta99]

I have a feeling this winter Dundalk will be signing a lot higher calibre of player, some will obviously need to move on. Murray has been ok this year but was expecting a lot more, maybe the year two thing he will kick in, like a lot moving to Dundalk generally do.

We need better quality MF and another decent striker. I'd def keep Hoban but that contract thing is dragging on.

The club are very close with transfer info these days so unlikely that anything said is much more than conjecture but plenty of rumours doing the rounds.
The predictions made by sbgawa i think it was have been said by a number of people round town the last few days. Garts and Massey on the move if they want but will be fringe players next season. Garts may, with a year to run on his contract start to move toward a coaching role. Massy as cover for Dummigan as he can play left full and can switch if Gannon is out for any reason.
The club trying to get Benson not to call it a day as the injury v Qarabag which was more than a simple 'rib injury' and seemingly has rattled him especially after the bad early season injury so considering focusing on his actuarial career. Dummigan looking for assurances on more game time which would happen if Massey were to move for game time - of course with O'Donnell at St Pats thats where all the players are destined. McGrath wants a pop in England so a new deal needs to be a good one. Jarvis's future supposedly being considered.
Stand off still there with Hoban with no deal on the table currently never mind the earlier offers - not willing to work with the agent in question, has interest from elsewhere but doesnt want to move withing LoI, of course that has resulted in a link with Linfield rumour.
The net is being cast wider for players with a number of loan deals considered. Was part of O'Donnell's remit when scouting opposition (could be handy info for St Pats). Flores struggling with his injury so depending on the next couple of months will have a bearing midfielder signings. A right midfielder has been appraoched already and there are a few hatstands being wacthed also. Georgie Kelly is getting itchy feet too with potential strikers in ahead of him if Hoban goes. So basically nothing new!

[D24Saint]

Anyone in particular that you are expecting?

I wouldn’t expect any of Dundalks top players but I’d imagine that some of the fringe players would interest him. The last few games of the season will give him time to see what he needs. I’m totally in the dark on how he will set the team up.

[placid casual]

I have a feeling this winter Dundalk will be signing a lot higher calibre of player, .
What are you basing this feeling on?
Are they expecting arrivals from overseas or is it home based players? Based on comments made by vermaalen(?) dundalk as a place to live isn't the most alluring of attractions.

[Ezeikial]

What are you basing this feeling on?
Are they expecting arrivals from overseas or is it home based players? Based on comments made by vermaalen(?) dundalk as a place to live isn't the most alluring of attractions.

Thomas Vermaelan wont be joining Dundalk - he has gone to Vissel Kobe in Japan from Barcelona, presumably with glamour model wife Polly Parsons (https://www.google.com/search?q=polly+parsons&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiVnbbl8bLkAhX5VBUIHWU1Br4Q_AUIESgB&biw=1440&bih=757) in tow.

Meanwhile the tortured soul that is Niclas Vemmelund joined his 8th club in 8 years when he returned homesick to Denmark to the join Middelfart Boldklub in the alluring town of Middelfart.

[TonyD]

Middelfart Boldklub in the alluring town of Middelfart.

;) I love it. Please don't tell me you made that name up :cool:

[Ezeikial]

;) I love it. Please don't tell me you made that name up :cool:

It's practically the Ibiza of the north

https://www.tripadvisor.ie/Attractions-g189522-Activities-Middelfart_Funen_and_Islands.html

[Nesta99]

Lively looking spot indeed!

[5yardpass]

Rogers to Linfield ? http://leagueofireland.ie/index.php/2019/09/04/exclusive-linfield-looking-to-capture-the-signature-of-dundalks-gary-rogers/?fbclid=IwAR3V1PkuYYKhAFsG2mOsEFUro2Xs0wc717h_XCpG c0xzEmVmCGz74v_X9Fk

[Ezeikial]

In news that may shock Stephen Bradley (https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/4266332/stephen-bradley-dundalk-will-sign-david-mcmillan/), Falkirk have announced the season long loan signing of David McMillan from St Johnstone

https://www.falkirkherald.co.uk/sport/football/falkirk-land-irish-record-breaking-striker-from-st-johnstone-1-4997730

[nigel-harps1954]

Christ...third tier of Scottish football.

[pineapple stu]

Will partner (or replace) Conor Sammon there.

Falkirk should be nowhere near the third tier of Scotland; they're a big fish in that division and Sammon is banging on goals for fun this season (5 in 7)

They're more usually a top half second flight side. But that's probably similar to the LoI's level

[Nesta99]

Shows the disparity in earnings rather than the level of football they are capable of playing at. They can put their feet up, play at half tilt and still bang in goals at the latter end of their career and particularly for McMillan St Johnstone are probably still paying him a significant wedge. It's when he is retired and the money is spent that he might regret opting for money and not having targeted more medals and memories of European nights. Nothing particularly wrong with his choice but it is a common trend that retired footballers regret placing contracts as more important than the chance to win silverware. On a very different level but Alan Shearer one of those examples.

[oriel]

Pat Hoban contract extension confirmed by Dundalk this am, new deal to run to end of 2021.

He was out of contract end of year.

Important deal to get done early.

[marinobohs]

Pat Hoban contract extension confirmed by Dundalk this am, new deal to run to end of 2021.

He was out of contract end of year.

Important deal to get done early.

Given the shortage of genuine goal scorers in the LOI it made sense to tie this one up early. Especially if a competitor club ;) was expecting a windfall anytime soon.

[Dalymountrower]

Good business for Dundalk.Thought Rovers would have bid for him.

[sbgawa]

Never thought he would move, not going to get a UK move with his past performance over there. Plus 7 goals from play for a team win in gv the league at a canter wouldn't have helped.
His all round contribution for dfc is good but where else was he going to go ?

Don't think rovers would gamble on him and he would be big bucks
When is Georgie Kelly's contract up?

[Ezeikial]

Good business for Dundalk.Thought Rovers would have bid for him.

Perhaps they did

[oriel]

Don't think rovers would gamble on him and he would be big bucks
When is Georgie Kelly's contract up?

Gamble ? Rovers would have signed him in a heartbeat if this didn’t go through. G Kelly doesn’t offer too much to suggest he can take his place, I’d be thinking DFC will go for another striker to be honest, need more firepower for Europe.

[ashbournebohs]

It would have been no more of a gamble signing hoban for rovers than signing and relocating Cummins from Cork

[Nesta99]

Perhaps they did

Woodies in Tallaght were just short on kitchen sinks!