League of Ireland in Europe 2014

[ger121]

2nd for Sligo. It's like the good old days tonight!

[DannyInvincible]

5-0 is the biggest ever away win for a LOI team in Europe.

[pineapple stu]

So Rosenborg, Shakhtar Soligorsk and Hajduk Split. Does the law of averages call for one team to win through?

Sligo should have no chance. Would have thought Derry's opposition is easier than Dundalk's, but then Dundalk are the form team.

Don't know if these results mean LoI teams are more likely to be seeded next season (depending on which teams get through of course)

Edit - sure two of the teams were seeded this season. Duh...

[pineapple stu]

3-0 Sligo.

Dundalk talking about their record win, against the same Fram as before.

11-0 on aggregate tonight for the LoI.

[ped_ped]

Someone confirm this for me: with the Derry result, if things stay the same for Sligo and Dundalk, do we have a higher co-officient already this year than three of the last four years? (1.375, compared to 0.250 last year, 1.000 the year before, less than the 1.500 the year before that, 1.000 the year before that again.)

[White Horse]

Mick McCarthy is an interested spectator in Oriel Park this evening.

[pineapple stu]

Someone confirm this for me: with the Derry result, if things stay the same for Sligo and Dundalk, do we have a higher co-officient already this year than three of the last four years? (1.375, compared to 0.250 last year, 1.000 the year before, less than the 1.500 the year before that, 1.000 the year before that again.)
That'd be right, yep

[Pablo Escobar]

3-0 Sligo.

Dundalk talking about their record win, against the same Fram as before.

11-0 on aggregate tonight for the LoI.

17-0 overall. This is fantastic.

[pineapple stu]

18-0 now.

4-0 Sligo

[Gather round]

So Rosenborg, Shakhtar Soligorsk and Hajduk Split. Does the law of averages call for one team to win through?

Sligo should have no chance. Would have thought Derry's opposition is easier than Dundalk's, but then Dundalk are the form team.

Don't know if these results mean LoI teams are more likely to be seeded next season (depending on which teams get through of course)

Edit - sure two of the teams were seeded this season. Duh...

As were Linfield.

Amazing result for the Hatchetmen- from 3-9 to 5-2 in a year,admittedly Rosenborg were a bit better than Ekranas :D

[pineapple stu]

Hm. If Crues could keep Rosenborg to six last season, maybe Sligo have a chance this year. :D

(Great win though; Ekranes are handy enough, and home and away victories is impressive)

2544 at Dundalk. 2139 at Sligo. Healthy crowds too. 430 in Wales I think it was.

[paul_oshea]

3 teams winning but 2 were seeded is that correct?what do they need to do in the next round to enter or be seeded in the next round next year?

[ger121]

Dundalk letting the side down:p

[DannyInvincible]

Full time in Sligo. Ends 4-0.

[CityRebel]

Banga only have four subs for some reason.

Apparently LoI teams have never had three ties on the same night and won them all, or kept a clean sheet in all, or (as TheBoss noted earlier) won through in them all.
Dundalk concede to Jeunesse Esch. They're a disgrace to Irish football.

[pineapple stu]

I think the round you start in is based solely on national coefficient. Bert Kassies' site says 34th in Europe is enough for one team to get a bye. We were 36th this year. That's a tough bye though as you're unseeded, so you tend to drop down to the first round again. I think Sligo got that bye before.

To be seeded in that round this year, you needed a club coefficient of 5.225 at least. That's shakhtar, who Derry are playing. Sligo's coefficient is 3.775 this year before Banga. So it's not unthinkable. A slight problem is that the cup winners would get the first bye, and they're obviously that bit more likely to be weaker

[Sheridan]

Also, you don't get prize money/participation fee for any round you skip, so bit of a poisoned chalice all around.

[TheBoss]

So many new records tonight, I'll have to post them later, just too much to analyse at the moment!

Just a couple here:
400th goal in Europe scored by Sligo Rovers' Danny North.
5-0 is the Highest win in Europe by an LOI club.
9-0 is the Highest aggregate win in Europe by an LOI club.

[Terry]

so who does everyone meet in the next round, and when are the matches been played?

[DannyInvincible]

5-0 is the Highest win in Europe by an LOI club.

That include both home and away ties? Nice.

[BonnieShels]

GET IN LADS!

Hon the LOI!

Hopefully given I'm home from next week I'll manage a game of some description.

[DannyInvincible]

so who does everyone meet in the next round, and when are the matches been played?

The first legs are next week on the 17th of July. The second legs are a week later. Dundalk play Hajduk Split, Sligo play Rosenborg and Derry play Shakhtyor Salihorsk (Belarus).

Full info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014%E2%80%9315_UEFA_Europa_League#Second_qualifyi ng_round

St. Pat's are in action against Legia Warsaw in the Champions League qualifiers before all that though. They visit Poland on the 16th for the first leg.

[Dunny]

so who does everyone meet in the next round, and when are the matches been played?

Dundalk play Hadjuk Split next Thursday in oriel.

Attendance in Oriel tonight was 2544 which was mighty considering the seated capacity for Euro games is about 3,000
The match v Split next week will sell out easily.

[dantheman]

http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/ccoef2015.html

Look at that table. Joint 5th in Europe.

Only behind

England,
Spain
Germany

and of course Liechenstein!

[MeathDrog]

Any clips up yet of any of the games?

[gufcfan]

Was there anything from the first legs on Soccer Republic on Monday?

[Dunny]

Was there anything from the first legs on Soccer Republic on Monday?

Just the goals from the Derry v Aber game.

[CuanaD]

Dundalk play Hadjuk Split next Thursday in oriel.

Attendance in Oriel tonight was 2544 which was mighty considering the seated capacity for Euro games is about 3,000
The match v Split next week will sell out easily.
Brings back memories of Shels win in Tolka - fantastic night - I'll be in Oriel hoping for more of the same!
It's a tough one tho - Derry probably have the best draw of the three that played tonight, Sligo have the toughest, I was there when Rosenborg beat both Shels & Bohs, they were seriously classy then, may have dropped down the pecking order a bit since then, but they are still a quality team & will be expecting to win comfortably.

Edit - the last time Split were in Ireland:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeCl7TG71hA

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Rosenborg have Gamboa, who played in the WC with Costa Rica, Diskerud, Bille Nielsen, Dorsin, Gamst Pedersen and Reginiussen. A lot of talented players with International experience - young and old. It's going to be a big ask for Sligo Rovers.

Be good for them to see talent like that at the Showgrounds though. They don't come around often; though Verratti, Immobile and James McCarthy have all graced their turf in recent memory.

[TheBoss]

List of some stats after Thursday's games:

1) 400th goal in Europe scored by Sligo Rovers' Danny North.

2) First time 3 LOI clubs have progressed on the same night.

3) 5-0 is the Highest win in Europe by an LOI club. 5-1 & 4-0 remains the Highest win at HOME.

4) Derry are the first ever LOI club to score 5 goals twice, which were both AWAY games. Bohemians are the only other club to score 5. Clubs from Scotland & Wales were both their victims.

5) 9-0 is the Highest aggregate win in Europe by an LOI club.

6) New record of 5 Clean Sheets in a row. Even 4 was a record before Sligo's result.

7) New record of 12 goals in a day.

8) With 18 goals so far, that is the 3rd highest total achieved in a season which equals the total for 2004 which was after 18 games. 26 goals from 2008 is the current record.

9) With a total 6 matches unbeaten, that equals the record from 2004 (3 Wins, 3 Draws).

10) Another record that was equalled is 4 Wins in a row, which last happened in 2005.

11) This was only Sligo Rovers' 2nd win in European competition in 22 matches. Unsurprisingly, the first time they have scored 4 goals in a match.

12) The last time Dundalk faced Croation oppostion they lost 9-0 aggregate to Varteks in 2002.

13) Hajduk Split have played LOI clubs twice before, losing on both occasions when playing in Ireland, but won their Home matches.

14) Clubs from Belarus have visited Ireland twice before without a win, a draw and a loss.

15) In Rosenborg's previous matches v LOI, they have scored in all 4 matches, recording 3 Wins and 1 Draw.

[Gather round]

Hm. If Crues could keep Rosenborg to six last season, maybe Sligo have a chance this year. :D

(Great win though; Ekranes are handy enough, and home and away victories is impressive)

It was 2-7 away to Rosenborg. A good test for Sligo.

I saw only brief clips but all reports suggest Ekranas were poor all round. They were also ill-disciplined with six yellows last night.

[ifk101]

Watched the Crues game myself and yes Ekranas are poor. But they are effectively a U23 team and it showed. Crusaders have a reasonable chance of getting by BP in the next round.

[Gather round]

Watched the Crues game myself and yes Ekranas are poor. But they are effectively a U23 team and it showed. Crusaders have a reasonable chance of getting by BP in the next round

Heh, some attractive teams in that third round draw. How did Ekranas get ranked so highly (behind only the two Norwegians and a Bulgarian team in the first round)?

[ifk101]

Heh, some attractive teams in that third round draw. How did Ekranas get ranked so highly (behind only the two Norwegians and a Bulgarian team in the first round)?

It's due to them being in Europe on a regular basis and them picking up wins/ draws during the last 5 years. But from what I can see they've had a massive turnover of players in the last 2/3 seasons so that ranking gave a false position of strength.

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

Very flattering 4-0 win for us last night. Rogers made a great save to tip a free kick onto the post about mid-way through the first half and Keane scored a great goal just going into injury time to give us a bit of breathing space. Rogers then made another good save in between the goal and the half time whistle. We were total tripe in the first half. If Barracloughs team had performed like that they would have been booed off. We weren't much better in the second half until they had a lad get 2 yellow cards in a couple of minutes for 2 fouls on Aaron Greene (they were filthy) and then once we got the second should have scored more then the 4 we got as they just fell apart really.

Rosenburg will hammer us

[PartySaint]

It was 2-7 away to Rosenborg. A good test for Sligo.

I saw only brief clips but all reports suggest Ekranas were poor all round. They were also ill-disciplined with six yellows last night.

Watched the game myself, Ekranas were poor but Crusaders still had a job to do and done it really well, comfortable throughout the game.

It could have been 6 or 7-1, they couldn't handle Heatley at all and your left winger was taking the **** out of them.

[Dodge]

http://statsthatarepointless.wordpress.com/2014/07/11/rory-pattersons-scoring-record-and-list-of-loi-double-scorers-in-europe/

Rory Patterson's scoring record and full list of LOI players who's scored twice in a Euro game

[paul_oshea]

Also, you don't get prize money/participation fee for any round you skip, so bit of a poisoned chalice all around.

Ya thats a fair point, but can you be seeded in the first and second rounds, without bypassing one?

[seand]

That was the first time Dundalk have won both legs of a Euro tie in 23 ties, and I think only our sixth time to progress (though 4 of those progressions were in full competition as distinct from qualifiers)

Nice to be in a situation where we can rest players in Europe ahead of a more important league game and still win with ease.

Great night for the league, second round will be entirely different. I predict one draw and seven defeats to come in Europe this season.

[pineapple stu]

Ya thats a fair point, but can you be seeded in the first and second rounds, without bypassing one?
Yes. Rosenborg this year have done it. But you need a low national coefficient and a very good club one. So basically you're looking at a team that excels in Europe, and probably dominates the domestic league as a result. We don't really have that (Pat's fans can keep quiet here :) )

Also, if an unseeded team beats a seed, they take that club's coefficient for the next round. If Dundalk beat Hajduk Split, for example, their coefficient will become Hajduk's one, and if that's over half-way up the rankings (which I think it would be), then Dundalk would be seeded in the third round. Ditto Sligo v Rosenborg, but as Shakhtor Solygorsk are the lowest-ranked team Derry (or any non-seed) could have drawn, they can't be seeded for the third round.

Worth noting that I genuinely think Dundalk have a chance against Hajduk (albeit a slim one). If they win, they're seeded in the third round. Win that (probably less than 50/50 - Dundalk would still be out-ranked wise) and you get a seriously big tie in round 4. Not going to qualify for the groups of course, but there's a very slim chance that Dundalk could afford a new stand after this campaign. But it's the best chance an LoI side has had in may years.

[Duggie]

lads i thought if say you were seeded into the second round that you do get the money for the first round also?? can someone clarify that once and for all???!!

[Dodge]

lads i thought if say you were seeded into the second round that you do get the money for the first round also?? can someone clarify that once and for all???!!

Yes, you're 100% wrong.

Seeding has nothing to do with prize money. You don't get money for rounds you don't play in.

[Duggie]

Yes, you're 100% wrong.

Seeding has nothing to do with prize money. You don't get money for rounds you don't play in.

ok so you could go out in round two and say make 100,000 or get through round 1 and round 2 and say make 200,000 potentially? so whats the incentive really of getting seeded, you would almost better of taking your chances in round 1? dosen't make sense.

[Nesta99]

You only get participation money for the round you play in. So if, due to the co-efficient you slot in at QR 3 you do not get anything extra for skipping the first 2 rounds. If a side is good enough to be n QR 3 there would greater financial reward for starting in QR 1 and winning, QR 2 and win again you would get roughly twice the money than going straight in to QR 3.

Seeding in theory just improves your chance a winning the round as you may be up against weaker opposition.

[Duggie]

thats an awful system!! if your good enough to get say seeded to round 2 then that should be an incentive and you should get the money from round 1 also. basically our clubs are better off trying to put everything into europe as you get jack sh1t for winning the league. progressing in europe is the only way...

[Dodge]

thats an awful system!! if your good enough to get say seeded to round 2 then that should be an incentive and you should get the money from round 1 also. basically our clubs are better off trying to put everything into europe as you get jack sh1t for winning the league. progressing in europe is the only way...

Except, winning the league gets you a minimum of €375,000 in European money....

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

And Shams got 1m when they qualified for the Group Stages

[DannyInvincible]

thats an awful system!! if your good enough to get say seeded to round 2 then that should be an incentive and you should get the money from round 1 also. basically our clubs are better off trying to put everything into europe as you get jack sh1t for winning the league. progressing in europe is the only way...

Well, I suppose awarded progression or "receiving a bye" (for want of a better description) into a later round is seen as incentive enough in terms of enhancing the chances of further progression rather than risking earlier-round elimination.

Here are the round-by-round prize-money totals, for what it's worth: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Europa_League#Prize_money



First qualifying round: €120,000
Second qualifying round: €130,000
Third qualifying round: €140,000
Play-off round elimination: €150,000
Base fee for group stage: €1,300,000
Group match victory: €200,000
Group match draw: €100,000
Group winners: €400,000
Group runners-up: €200,000
Round of 32: €200,000
Round of 16: €350,000
Quarter-finals: €450,000
Semi-finals: €1,000,000
Losing finalist: €2,500,000
Winners: €5,000,000



Am I correct in thinking that prize-money is awarded based on simple participation in each respective qualifying round rather than on progression through that round? So, Aberystwyth, say, would have been awarded €120,000 as well as Derry for their participation in the first qualifying round, whilst Derry will also receive another €130,000 on top for participating in the second qualifying round?

[oriel]

I think for EL it's €120k for qualifying then €130 per round thereafter, obviously group stages pay more, but not sure any our teams will be seeing that anytime soon.

I read Dlk's travel costs were 38k for Lux and now 68k for Crotoia, add in gate of say 30k last night, then potentially €40-45k next week and it will be a good bit of business when the EL comes in. Then again no home league game for a bit so I'm sure the big gate receipts will be more than welcome, as obviously Season Tickets are not valid for these games.

Edit, just saw above post re prize money

[paykanti]

From my expansive Championship Manager/Football Manager knowledge, participation isn't required to get the qualification money. Hence, if a team only joins in round 2, they'd still get the qualification bonus that round 1 winners get. I don't know if there's also a participation element to the money handed to teams but I guess that would be something they'd miss out on as they're obviously not participating.