Tipp South & District League 2011/12

[SgtBilko]

balls i believe that rules are changed each year to suit certain individuals and teams, this counts for all aspect of the league and not just relegation, very frustrating

[nononsense]

balls i believe that rules are changed each year to suit certain individuals and teams, this counts for all aspect of the league and not just relegation, very frustrating

Elaborate please.

[the wombat]

the biggest joke is that the league knew the situation for the last 6 months and still we dont know who goes up or down. what are they playing at?? and the least they could do is announce at the start of this season whether 2 teams will be relegated or not. if they dont they are a disgrace and the whole thing will be a farce.

on another issue has coleman from cashel signed with peake or borris??

[republican]

bilko i think your trying to same something without actually saying it ( i may be wrong ). and balls the worst rule in the tsdl is the 5 game rule where a player cannot play for the bteam once he makes 5 appearances for the 1st team, this rule was introduced because certain clubs were sending their A players out to play with their bteam in the afternoon having already played for the A that morning. clubs like st michaels lose players every season over frustration of not getting game time once they have made their 5 app's.

[Redman028]

the worst rule in the tsdl is the 5 game rule where a player cannot play for the bteam once he makes 5 appearances for the 1st team.

Hardly fair on a 3rd/4th division side pushing for promotion and they come up against a "b" side full of 1st team players,

[balls]

the 5 game rule is alot in fairness its almost a third of league games should be less games. it works against clubs with an (a) team in premier cause they will have 5 league games played by september. can be very effective though if your(a) team is in division 1 as they kick off the season with shield games then in september involved in mjc and fai games so players might not have the 5 (a) games played till december. seen this happen happen before, club with (a) team in division 1 and (b) team in division 4. both teams were flying (a) team players helping out (b) team in the afternoon games. season after (a) team went premier and both teams suffered as a players had there 5 games played early and b team got into a losing rut without them. so its a double edged sword.(B) teams are better of sticking to there own players and taking the odd (a) team player coming back from injury or someone who needs match practice. no point packing teams when (a) team have a free weekend dont think it achieves much just ****es of the lads who have been dropped on the (b) team to accomodate the (a) players

[nononsense]

Lads, is there any chance ye would get familiar with the rules before posting comments. On the 5 game rule - it applies to all games, not just league games. For example, if somebody plays a Munster Junior Cup game, an F.A.I. Junior cup game and three league or shield games, he has his 5 games played.

[SgtBilko]

for fear of getting banned again NONONSENSE i wont start a rant, ive seen it a couple of times over the years, just trust me

[rightboy]

No-nonsense , are you sure about 5 game rule I always thought it was just league games ?
On another note I heard yesterday town aren't entering the Joe Delaney cup at the start of the season can any of the town boys shed any light on this

[rightboy]

No-nonsense , are you sure about 5 game rule I always thought it was just league games ?
On another note I heard yesterday town aren't entering the Joe Delaney cup at the start of the season can any of the town boys shed any light on this

[Redman028]

A few years a go i seen a "b" team play a shield Final with a team full of "a" players and they won 5-1 It made a farce of the whole situation, i know for a fact this is a major problem for teams in lower leagues, they train just as hard as any team in any division and shouldnt be subjected to the side that certain "B" teams put out on a Sunday.

[balls]

i always thought it was 5 league games and have adhered to that ruling over the years when involved with teams .when people on the ground within the club of tsdl dont know the rules not very good so suppose should get our own houses in order before we criticise tsdl etc again. will check rulebook before posting in future for fear of upsetting NONONSENSE

[SgtBilko]

Yes the 5 game rule includes all games, this rule used to include just league games but it was changed about 3/4 years ago. Redman are you referring to Town B's win over Cashel in the Paddy Purtill in Cahir Park??

[Redman028]

No im referring to Celtic B in 2007 who had the likes of Adam McSharry in their Line up, They beat Redmondstown 5-1 i think, Was talking to the Ref in the Local bar after that game and he even thought it was poor form out of Celtic but it was with in their rights . Felt sorry for Redmondstown that day, Adam destroyed them on his own

[balls]

it was over 5 years ago i was involved so that clears up the rule bilko. i knew at one stage it was the 5 league games didnt realise it had changed. cheers for that.
any transfer rumours doing the rounds lads. have cahir brought anyone in yet

[SgtBilko]

id say Town pulling out of the John Delaney is cup is probably in protest for the Youths not been allowed play the final of the Joe delaney, cant see any other reason, any Town lads here heard anything to the contrary?

[stelling]

id say Town pulling out of the John Delaney is cup is probably in protest for the Youths not been allowed play the final of the Joe delaney, cant see any other reason, any Town lads here heard anything to the contrary?

Id say Town will definitely play in it lads,id say its just speculation that they wont,im sure they are obliged to play in it anyway,all the rumours of transfers seem to surround Borris and Villa

[balls]

what players have been linked withed borris and peake stelling?

[nononsense]

id say Town pulling out of the John Delaney is cup is probably in protest for the Youths not been allowed play the final of the Joe delaney, cant see any other reason, any Town lads here heard anything to the contrary?

Wrong again. Entry in John Delaney is optional.

[footballfanatic]

what players have been linked withed borris and peake stelling?
I would love to know myself.

[SgtBilko]

what do you mean im wrong again nononense? how do you know they didnt pull out over the youth saga?? it seems very coincidental, ill ask a lad who is the know today..

[Chops]

I can state that Town have pulled out of John Delaney Cup but it has nothing to do with the youths situation its that they had other commitments made in another tournament and to be honest im glad we pulled out of it especially after what happened the youths i know a lot of people wont agree with it but thats life.

[the wombat]

I can state that Town have pulled out of John Delaney Cup but it has nothing to do with the youths situation its that they had other commitments made in another tournament and to be honest im glad we pulled out of it especially after what happened the youths i know a lot of people wont agree with it but thats life.

are they struggling a bit too?? heard numbers arent great at training with so many players after leaving

[celticlads]

hows the nenagh celtic lads getting on wit clonmel

[nononsense]

I can state that Town have pulled out of John Delaney Cup but it has nothing to do with the youths situation its that they had other commitments made in another tournament and to be honest im glad we pulled out of it especially after what happened the youths i know a lot of people wont agree with it but thats life.

Well said Chops - correct. Town wanted to take part in some tournament and they were told go ahead, John Delaney cup was optional.

[nononsense]

are they struggling a bit too?? heard numbers arent great at training with so many players after leaving

Wasn't aware there was an exodus from Clonmel Town. Who have they lost from the team which played their last league game against St.Michaels?

[West Hammer]

It has just been confirmed by TSDL Committee after a meeting with the Clubs that they will only have an U18 League (players born 1994-95) There was talk of an U19 League but most clubs could not put out both 18's and 19's on the same Day. This means due to FAI's new age re alinement, last season's U15's and U16's will be playing Youths.

[SgtBilko]

Town have 19 players signed as from last week, 6 new guys so im sure they will be fine for the coming season as always in there, i see they have a new website up and going, looks good

[PaConnors23]

It has just been confirmed by TSDL Committee after a meeting with the Clubs that they will only have an U18 League (players born 1994-95) There was talk of an U19 League but most clubs could not put out both 18's and 19's on the same Day. This means due to FAI's new age re alinement, last season's U15's and U16's will be playing Youths.

This means that players born 1993 will be missing out on their last year of youths.

[balls]

ya they will miss out alright on there last year youths. be interesting to see what happens with other leagues. i think cork and waterford are going with u17 + u19 leagues this year to compensate for the year skip. i feel the best decision was made in tsdl remaining with just the 18s alot of the smaller clubs would not be able to get out a 17s team and 19s team on the same day. so if the majority voted for an 18s league not gonna argue with that tough alright on the lads who miss out on there last year youths. was not at meeting but im assuming other viable options would have been to push youths out to 19s for one season or to run the 19s on a saturday and put 17s games on a sunday( although refs could be an issue in this). with the new national u19league starting this autumn i thought the fai might have rolled out u19 football at all levels instead of u18.

[balls]

smurf,kevin waters and stephen ryan all confirmed for celtic. good signings. one or two more and they will be a real force in the league

[PaConnors23]

ya they will miss out alright on there last year youths. be interesting to see what happens with other leagues. i think cork and waterford are going with u17 + u19 leagues this year to compensate for the year skip. i feel the best decision was made in tsdl remaining with just the 18s alot of the smaller clubs would not be able to get out a 17s team and 19s team on the same day. so if the majority voted for an 18s league not gonna argue with that tough alright on the lads who miss out on there last year youths. was not at meeting but im assuming other viable options would have been to push youths out to 19s for one season or to run the 19s on a saturday and put 17s games on a sunday( although refs could be an issue in this). with the new national u19league starting this autumn i thought the fai might have rolled out u19 football at all levels instead of u18.
Theres two sides to it really. Its not nice to see 17/18 year olds having to go straight into juniors. On the other hand, clubs may feel that they will be losing a lot of these players (born 1993) to college and other commitments this season anyways. For example, there were very few lads in my own club born 1992 playing Youths last season.

[Mega Tots]

smurf,kevin waters and stephen ryan all confirmed for celtic. good signings. one or two more and they will be a real force in the league

Celtic will be definite challengers for the league this season,no doubt about it

[republican]

they are 3 great signings for celtic will bring much needed experience to the squad. they will be hard to beat next season. should be a competitive league this season which can only be good for the league. thought town would have moved for waters ??

[rightboy]

Did I hear right that tommy Lewis has recieved an honory award/ position from the fai recently ? If so I think it's a just reward for a man who has done so much for the tsdl
I don't think all of us would agree with all he says and does but there is no doubting the mans honesty and integrity

[nononsense]

Did I hear right that tommy Lewis has recieved an honory award/ position from the fai recently ? If so I think it's a just reward for a man who has done so much for the tsdl
I don't think all of us would agree with all he says and does but there is no doubting the mans honesty and integrity

I think he got an Honorary Life Presidency or Membership or something like that.

[Roberto]

they are 3 great signings for celtic will bring much needed experience to the squad. they will be hard to beat next season. should be a competitive league this season which can only be good for the league. thought town would have moved for waters ??


Maybe Town did move for Waters but he chose Celtic instead. Are you sure the John Delaney cup is 'optional'? I would imagine you would have to have a very good reason not to participate. I'm sure Tommy Lewis would not be too happy bringing John Delaney down to a final of a competition that didn't feature any of the bigger teams in Tipperary.

[nononsense]

Maybe Town did move for Waters but he chose Celtic instead. Are you sure the John Delaney cup is 'optional'? I would imagine you would have to have a very good reason not to participate. I'm sure Tommy Lewis would not be too happy bringing John Delaney down to a final of a competition that didn't feature any of the bigger teams in Tipperary.

The John Delaney is optional alright. Its a pre-season tournament and I think the only obligation is the TSDL supply 4 teams with North Tipp doing likewise. With Clonmel Town opting out I would say Cashel Town will be invited as they finished 5th in Premier league. Its a good pre-season tournament - the winners receive a full strip, trophy and set of medals. I think international tickets are also thrown in but not sure on that. Runners-up receive medals and supply of footballs while the semi-finalists also receive footballs. I'd say a full strip and footballs are expensive nowadays.
To reply to Rightboy, I enquired regarding what award did Tommy Lewis receive. He was made a Life Member of the F.A.I. Seemingly one person is made a Life Member each year and he was that person for 2011.

[SgtBilko]

i dont know is this john delaney cup any benefit for town/celtic/michaels, i doubt a manager would think it would be ideal for his team to be showing his cards so early in the season in what is a meaninless competition, playing the top teams isnt ideal, any thoughts?

[rightboy]

Thanks no-nonsense ref info on award
As for the Delaney cup at the start if season I think it us very beneficial for any team manager in terms of fitness match practice in a competitive environment as opposed to challenge games u don't really have that intensity u need so in that respect I think it's a very good competition and at the end of day you do get medals for it and as we know players like to get medals ok it's not the fai or mjc as would be the priority but I think in time it will be just as important to win as your tipp cup any thoughts guys on this

[SgtBilko]

but rightboy do you think you might be showing your cards to the big teams too early and in the case of a bad defeat to the opposite side, u mite be starting the real business of the season on the wrong foot

[Tipp Top]

Ah here this forum has gone mad,the John Delaney Cup (A PRE SEASON tournament) has just been labelled as important as the Tipperary Cup,thats the exact same as saying the Emirates Cup (a pre season tournament) is as important to Arsenal etc as winning the FA Cup (a domestic cup) Rightboy you are on fire lately

[rightboy]

I might be wrong but I don't think the Delaney cup is pre season it's an official recognised comp by the tsdl as I said I might be wrong on this no nonsense you might be able to clarify the status of it

As for it's benefit a winning habit is a good thing you can get badly beaten in a challenge game as u know saints/ town did not play full teams in it last few years but blooded players as they do in tipp cup anyway as we know no top junior team shows their hand in aug/ sept , I suppose each club is different on the way they view this

[SgtBilko]

its an optional competition, that says enough

[rightboy]

Yes optional no dispute there but also a recognised comp as per the tsdl website roll of honours list . As I said it's still really in it's infancy but a good concept

[SgtBilko]

well footballfanatic your hardly coming up with choice conversation yourself are you? i hear town are entering a tournament in waterford, anyone know the teams involved?

[balls]

with talks on this site of half of towns team being from north tipp in nenagh and thurles surely logistically delaney cup would suit them better than travelling down to waterford for a tournament

[Roberto]

with talks on this site of half of towns team being from north tipp in nenagh and thurles surely logistically delaney cup would suit them better than travelling down to waterford for a tournament

Is it just me or is anyone else puzzled as to why someone would want to travel the length of the county (i.e. Nenagh to Clonmel) to play soccer when they have 2 good junior teams in Nenagh. After all its only amateur football???

[SgtBilko]

well i believe that these two guys are totally dedicated to football and partake in no other sports and really wanted a challenge to play with one of the top junior clubs in ireland, cant blame them for that, as you said both nenagh sides are good but maybe that isnt enough for them

[Chops]

Wasn't aware there was an exodus from Clonmel Town. Who have they lost from the team which played their last league game against St.Michaels? The only player they have lost from the starting 11 vs Michaels is Evan Mcguire but hes in a bit of bother as he signed and is registered with Town and he signed for celtic aswel....and in fairness smurf and stephen ryan couldnt make the team so i wouldnt count them as major losses....The 2 guys from nenagh are getin on very well their attitude is excellent and will be great additions this season i have to be honest i think Town could be very strong this year and with it been Jamies 2nd year in charge i think he will have learned a lot from last year and hel be a stronger manager this year...It will be interesting league this year,i see the wilderness signed a few of the clonmel celtic youths have to say tho i seen them play last week and they looked very weak it could be a struggle for them this year.