Tipp South & District League 2011/12

[Tipp Top]

saints will win the league if they make it their num1 priority but they wont because no matter what they let on the fai and munster will still be number 1 and on their list irrespective of how many years it has been since they won it. the fai is the holy grail look to limerick when fairview used win the fai on a regular basis they didnt always win the league and even used the league to give the squad a run and keep their best 11 for the fai and munster.

Fairview never went 8 years without a league,Pike have won the league last few seasons despite the FAI being their clear target,winning the league helps you in the Fai,winning games breeds confidence at sll levels,Barca won the league and european cup,Saints have the squad to do it,they need to do it this year,too many years without being top dog for a massive club

[theboywonder8]

When fairview won their 3 in row twice,they won the league as well,so that blows your point out of the water.fairview and pike ALWAYS try and win their league no matter what,when fairview were knocked out of mj and fai by pike they were still top of the league and remained there up until final games of the season.

[SgtBilko]

town won the fai in 1994 they lost only one game and that was the MJC Final in Cooke

[Tipp Top]

Imagine having the arrogance to say the only reason Saints havent won the league is because its not a priority...but if they wanted to win it they would....hard to believe someone would actually post that,great points Boywonder and Bilko the top sides always want their league and of course i know the Saints players would agree,this is no slant on them

[the wombat]

have saints signed anyone? i hear higgy and cooper are heading for australia

[rightboy]

Hi lads very interesting posts on for the last few days I have to say to our great shame as a club that we haven't not treated the league title with the respect it deserves over the last 6/7 seasons and that's why we haven't won it in a while , last year town won it and deserved it even though saints made a big effort to win and I think we have got what deserved over our attitude towards the league but I know that has all changed within the club
Yes fai and mjc are a priority as they are for town pike Carrick etc but the title league champs has a good ring to it and I do know saints players are going to make a big effort for the league this year I know some of ye will be disgusted by our attitude to the league and you what lads ye would be right and we don't deserve to win league till our attitude was right and town deserve grt credit cause they treated league with the respect it deserves

[theboywonder8]

I cannot believe that players intentionally try not to win a league,it's very very arrogant to say that as a club ye have shown no interest in winning a league,as you say great credit to clonmel and peake for winning the league,clonmel moreso,St michaels are coming up short all the time in fai,so maybe they should start concentrating a bit more on their league for a change!!!!.I still don't believe that they don't try and win their league though.

[rightboy]

I didn't say players didn't want to win it and didn't not try what I said was the clubs / managements attitude were the team was changed dramatically in league games players rested etc, as for comparing fai to league performance that's a non runner your talking fai / munster would be 4/5 levels above league in terms of pace intensity pressure we have contested last 2 fai finals where we lost on penos after a grt performance and last year a couple of mistakes cost us against pike where both teAms were very matched and don't forget we are mjc champions as I said I'm not agreeing with club attitude to league and we have got what we deserved on another note I bet the league is not towns priority either?!

[the wombat]

I didn't say players didn't want to win it and didn't not try what I said was the clubs / managements attitude were the team was changed dramatically in league games players rested etc, as for comparing fai to league performance that's a non runner your talking fai / munster would be 4/5 levels above league in terms of pace intensity pressure we have contested last 2 fai finals where we lost on penos after a grt performance and last year a couple of mistakes cost us against pike where both teAms were very matched and don't forget we are mjc champions as I said I'm not agreeing with club attitude to league and we have got what we deserved on another note I bet the league is not towns priority either?!

you are talking an amazing amount of rubbish. players rested for league games?? nonsense. saints dont have the squad for that. they have the most settled team in the league. have a bit of class as a club for once, ye havent been good enough to win a league. just admit it and people might start respecting your club a little bit more

[balls]

saints only rotated at the end of season when league was gone against wildies and celtic. Having seen most of there games flipper, tobin,higgy,chalkie,breeno,cooper,pa quinn,j carr, richie ryan started id say 80% of league games. they obviously rotated abit when you have a squad of 16 top players due to injuries and keeping lads happy but when you have likes of foggy, shane guerin, johney connery on the bench your not weakening your team. ridiculous statement saying saints put out weakened team in the league. im sure if you looked at teams town put out over the season there team selections would be far more inconsistent ( for various reasons) to the settled saint selections over the course of the season. so that arguement does not stand up.

My opinion for what it is worth is that saints should go all out for there league get back being top dogs in tsdl and then the fai will come.
this is not a dig at saints by the way they are a great club and still achieved unbelievable success last season in winning delaney cup, mjc and tipp cup

[Tipp Top]

you are talking an amazing amount of rubbish. players rested for league games?? nonsense. saints dont have the squad for that. they have the most settled team in the league. have a bit of class as a club for once, ye havent been good enough to win a league. just admit it and people might start respecting your club a little bit more

Brilliant post Wombat,who do they think they are fooling,they were gutted in Cooke park last season when Town won the league and rightly so,Saints are desperate for a league,Breen and Carr and so on have never won a league medal,what possesses people to try and say they don't go for the league,Town have an obsession with the FAI last 10 years and have lost 3 semif finals and a host of quarter finals and been in several Munster finals but still won 7 or 8 leagues

[rightboy]

Guys I'm just giving my honest opinion on my club I'm not trying to disrespect any other clubs achievements but I call it as I see it we all have opinion I thought that's what this forum was about football people talking about the game / clubs they love but I will say is have a bit or respect for others opinion and please read my post properly and do not be selective on it and basing your own opinions on a part of my post

[Tipp Top]

Guys I'm just giving my honest opinion on my club I'm not trying to disrespect any other clubs achievements but I call it as I see it we all have opinion I thought that's what this forum was about football people talking about the game / clubs they love but I will say is have a bit or respect for others opinion and please read my post properly and do not be selective on it and basing your own opinions on a part of my post

Your more than entitled to your opinion but only a Saint Michaels fan would try and say they haven't won a league in 8 years because it wasn't a priority,not 1 Saints player would back up that argument,there are an awful amount of people who feel that league defeat cost them the FAI,it hit them very hard that night,also remind us who they rested that night???

[rightboy]

Stelling I never said winning the league was nt important again read my post

[stelling]

Stelling I never said winning the league was nt important again read my post

I took the time to read your posts again and you said "players were rested for league games"....."towns priority is not the league either"...."attitude from saints towards the league is why they have not won it"......so yes funnily enough i don't think you feel the league is important!!!!

[rightboy]

And stelling where did I say on post that winning the league doesn't count I am speaking and commenting on attitudes of others not mine and I'm putting up no argument on us not winning league there is no excuse for us not winning it saints are a big club just like town where people have different opionions and attitudes I am commenting on attitudes at my club that I don't like

[stelling]

And stelling where did I say on post that winning the league doesn't count I am speaking and commenting on attitudes of others not mine and I'm putting up no argument on us not winning league there is no excuse for us not winning it saints are a big club just like town where people have different opionions and attitudes I am commenting on attitudes at my club that I don't like

But that attitude does not exist at Saints from anyone,they have just come up short in the league full stop.People like James Walsh and Paul Tobin are winners and would never give less that 100% in any game and they are sickened by the poor league record and it is something they try to correct every season and they were simply unlucky against a gallant Town last year,you are paying a terrible disservice to Saint Michaels with your assumptions and to the integrity of some of the best junior players Tipp has ever seen,one thing about those guys is they have never made excuses they took defeats on the chin and celebrated great victories as well,Saints get a bad name due to guys like you expressing opinions on their behalf that are certainly not the views of anyone at the club

[rightboy]

For the sake of repetition( read my post) where have I said II am representing the club players etc my opinion based on nearly 20 yrs around the club I maybe wrong but its mine and mine only I would think the character of chalky and Paul Tobin is above reproach as to not trying as you seem to suggest I am saying so please read my posts I bet there is lots of stuff about town whether be it club/players / supporters u may not like but that's life isn't it

[theboywonder8]

Well said stelling,I think most of us would disagree with his comments that league is not their priority,successful clubs make EVERY competition they enter their priority,and that's the way it always should be.

[Preds]

I think rightboy you are the one who has never played the game, The Saints players and genuine club officials (which obviously you are not) would give their right arm to win back a league title It has been a huge priority for the club over the last no of years, You just had to look at the players attitude on the field all season and their utter disappointment and sick feeling when they didn’t win it this year. Every knowledgeable football person knows that success is built on the back of winning league titles. No side will ever be classed as a great side until they are winning their own league. There is only one reason why Saints haven’t won the league in 8 years and its none of the rubbish you speak off. It’s the simple fact that they weren’t good enough over 16 or 14 games.

[republican]

its great when a topic about saints comes up on this it makes the site come alive :) just 1 example of the saints players attitude toward the league, when they played peake villa away last season and drew nil all saints wer missin 6 regulars 3 wer at the afters of a wedding the night before so ruled themselves out, ( would that have happened if they were playing peake away in the fai ) ????? i think not. and 'wombat' u said for once show your class as a club in reference to saint michaels you must be forgetting that saint michaels are the most decorated club in the tsdl surely that represents class. what club do you represent by the way???

[hoops38]

its great when a topic about saints comes up on this it makes the site come alive :) just 1 example of the saints players attitude toward the league, when they played peake villa away last season and drew nil all saints wer missin 6 regulars 3 wer at the afters of a wedding the night before so ruled themselves out, ( would that have happened if they were playing peake away in the fai ) ????? i think not. and 'wombat' u said for once show your class as a club in reference to saint michaels you must be forgetting that saint michaels are the most decorated club in the tsdl surely that represents class. what club do you represent by the way???

st michaels and class in one sentence u must be joking ,everytime they are beaten there is controversy,they honestly think they have a divine right to win every match they play,the abuse directed towards alan barry in fai final was an absolute disgrace and they were so graciuos in defeat most of their players did not even wait for the presentation afterwards which im lead to believe is a regular trait with this class club when they are beaten,I hold my hat off to chalkie walsh who was 1 of the few to stay on the pitch top bloke by the way who made a point of congragulating elderly pike men,And another point of note after munster junior game saints were invited back to pike club as a gesture to keep good relations between clubs but as usual saints are too good to mix with any other club,

[the wombat]

its great when a topic about saints comes up on this it makes the site come alive :) just 1 example of the saints players attitude toward the league, when they played peake villa away last season and drew nil all saints wer missin 6 regulars 3 wer at the afters of a wedding the night before so ruled themselves out, ( would that have happened if they were playing peake away in the fai ) ????? i think not. and 'wombat' u said for once show your class as a club in reference to saint michaels you must be forgetting that saint michaels are the most decorated club in the tsdl surely that represents class. what club do you represent by the way???

i think you might misunderstand the meaning of the word class. And the only reason saints went to thurles without those players for the league game is because they were so arrogant that they could win without them that they had no problem giving them the day off. Sure villa had lost to galbally and wilderness so of course the great st michaels only had to turn up with half a team to beat them. Typical but it backfired. And yet when saints did play villa with a full team they needed an injury time goal to steal a win in cooke park so stop fooling yourself

[theboywonder8]

Rightboy it was not the balla boys who gave Alan Barry the abuse,I know that for a fact because they were sitting behind me,there was some abuse from certain individuals from limerick but it was most certainly not ballananty,so I think you owe them an apology,there was abuse from some St micks supporters towards him and it was also there in the mj,yere name be saints but believe me some of yere supporters are no saints.might be a small section but they are there.and you're comment about deccie makes me laugh,ye crucified him last year after ye were beaten again and cited his reaction to the win as yere reason for objection,so you're fooling nobody here.

[republican]

hoops wil you please stop posting unless you are gonna tell some bit of truth, oh my lord are you that bored that you have to make up such lies like in your above post i mean come on and wake up will you. all the saints players stayed till hartnett made his speech then they left the field. and you are accusing saints supporters of slagging alan we never said anything bout the pike fan that confronted the saints manager when keith scored the winner he ran onto the field to do so, but these things happen and you move on. both sets of fans were having a slagging match where i was sitting it was actually hilarious but we lost so that stopped the laughing for us :)

[hoops38]

hoops wil you please stop posting unless you are gonna tell some bit of truth, oh my lord are you that bored that you have to make up such lies like in your above post i mean come on and wake up will you. all the saints players stayed till hartnett made his speech then they left the field. and you are accusing saints supporters of slagging alan we never said anything bout the pike fan that confronted the saints manager when keith scored the winner he ran onto the field to do so, but these things happen and you move on. both sets of fans were having a slagging match where i was sitting it was actually hilarious but we lost so that stopped the laughing for us :)

half decent post from you ,i see you backed down from the balla statement and your right certain things do happen and we do move on ,im making a point that everytime saints lose there is a farcical reason ,and your right declan considine did show a bit of class but if you were as much in the know as you claim you are you might tell me why a letter went off to the fai about connie from your club ,or did you know that or are you the sunshine supporter

[theboywonder8]

Republican rightboy accused another club from limerick ie balla which is totally untrue,to blame another club is way below the belt,there was plenty of banter between both sets of supporters,but personal abuse of players came from yere supporters,rightboy speaks of class,if he has any of it he will apoligise to ballananty rovers,but I doubt he has

[republican]

agree it is wrong to name another club and rightboy you should apologise. and lads i have to say i never ever ever said saints had no interest in winning the league, i said it is never their number 1 priority before fai and munster there is a difference.

[nononsense]

There are over 40 clubs in the TSDL. This forum is about the TSDL. Unfortunately discussion has descended into farce. Could we revert back to TSDL matters discussed in a fair and constructive fashion.

[TheBoss]

MOD WARNING

This topic is discussion on TSDL Matters only.

Anymore of this tit for tat stuff will result in suspensions.

[the 12 th man]

I'll tidy this up when I get a chance and reopen it,guys acting the thick on this thread will be sorted out.

[the 12 th man]

Thread open again and as theBoss says lads keep it non personal and attack the post not the poster,text speak is pure laziness,type out your words like the rest of us do.

Some of the removed posts from this thread quoted a rubbish post or would have been left with no context so were removed because of it.

[footballfanatic]

Few teams must be interested in larry corbett, the man is a goal machine :)

[balls]

Few teams must be interested in larry corbett, the man is a goal machine :)

nah he was rubbish when he played for peake villa b few years back :)

only messing some performance out of him today.

back to football talk after last few days madness on this forum. any pre season games going ahead this week?

[nononsense]

nah he was rubbish when he played for peake villa b few years back :)

only messing some performance out of him today.

back to football talk after last few days madness on this forum. any pre season games going ahead this week?
Agree with you there. Disgraceful it was allowed go on for so long. If the forum is highjacked like that again I'm gone. Anyway, important meeting of the TSDL committee to-morrow night when all divisions for the coming season will be finalised.

[deadly man]

Did St.Micheals sign or lose any big players this year lads?

[hoops38]

lar corbett in talks with pike

[rightboy]

I think it's all quiet at the moment at saints general feeling no one leaving but lots of guys on holidays so the picture will be clearer in few weeks but saying that I don't think saints need a whole pile they have some good youths coming through so I expect them to be promoted to 1 st team squad. Any word on other clubs

[balls]

whats story with timmy kiely. is he back living in tipp. not with cork city anymore would be good addition for saints next season if available

[rightboy]

Not sure about timmy his back in town who knows watch this space I suppose , any word on cahir park the Carrick connection seems to have quietened down

[SgtBilko]

wayne fitzgerald is definitly NOT joining cahir this year, this is fact

[Chops]

I heard Thurles are playing are playing Clonmel Town B in a friendly tuesday in the complex would be interesting to see what Thurles are like apparently they have a host of new players and are supposed to be quiet strong

[footballfanatic]

They will be decent goin forward i would say, a few lovely players there. Not sure about at the back though.

[kneebandage]

wayne fitzgerald is definitly NOT joining cahir this year, this is fact

Could you explain a bit more please????

[balls]

Any views on how division 1 will go this year. 2 decent teams in town b and glengoole after being promoted so should be competitive league. Not sure if cahir and saint nicholas are in the division. if there mot moyglass and oldbridge probably the two strongest teams in the division and favourates for promotion

[footballfanatic]

Cahir should be premier league along with st nicholas, shouldnt be any debate about this.

I would give glengoole a good chance of promotion, there a decent team. Oldbridge, galbally and moyglass to fight for promotion with glengoole my outside tip.

[nononsense]

Some players are of the opinion they can sign for several clubs and the club they actually play for is the team they are tied to. This is not true. Once a player signs for a club he is tied to that club. Last year several players multi-signed. They were fined heavily and suspended. I'm told some players have already done that this season, a few of them premier players. They can be prepared for the consequences. Once a player signs for a club he is tied to that club. He can of course transfer before 30th September once transfer forms are filled out and relevant transfer fee is paid. Just though clubs and players should know this before they put pen to paper.

[deadly man]

Some players are of the opinion they can sign for several clubs and the club they actually play for is the team they are tied to. This is not true. Once a player signs for a club he is tied to that club. Last year several players multi-signed. They were fined heavily and suspended. I'm told some players have already done that this season, a few of them premier players. They can be prepared for the consequences. Once a player signs for a club he is tied to that club. He can of course transfer before 30th September once transfer forms are filled out and relevant transfer fee is paid. Just though clubs and players should know this before they put pen to paper.

In fairness that is disgraceful carry on,6 month bans should be given to those players and a big fine to the players aswell

[addict]

So has anyone heard of the rumours that only one team is being promoted from the first division and only Galbally relegated...

[balls]

not the best idea really in my opinion. that will leave premier with only 8 teams and division 1 with 9 teams. should be other way round as division 1 teams have paddy purtill cup and division 1 shield in addition to there league games, mjc fai and tipp cup games which is alot of games. hopefully the ruling is just a once off this season and from now on will revert back to old system of 2 up 2 down. id say nicholas not being too bothered bout going up and cahirs facilitys etc being great asset to premier league plus rock rovers demise i suppose may have influenced the decison.
just on a side note the level of inconsistency on these kind of things is abit baffling. can remember few years back town B came second in division 1 couldnt go up to premier. borris finished 2nd from bottom of premier but were relegated as ruling was 2 had to go down now it works the other way with only 1 going down. i know its very hard to run leagues and fair play to those that do it but does anyone else find it frustrating when rules change from year to year