Tipp South & District League 2011/12

[SgtBilko]

Boywonder you would want to start taking reading lessons, my point was Town were surely a better side that Cahir even though Cahir got to a Munster Semi and not an FAI so i was asking a question how Town didnt advance to the latter stages of the competitions. I am not involved in any of the clubs so how you make me out to be "bitter" is quite funny! Stick to you own forums in Limerick and do not be annoying us down here!

[theboywonder8]

Boywonder you would want to start taking reading lessons, my point was Town were surely a better side that Cahir even though Cahir got to a Munster Semi and not an FAI so i was asking a question how Town didnt advance to the latter stages of the competitions. I am not involved in any of the clubs so how you make me out to be "bitter" is quite funny! Stick to you own forums in Limerick and do not be annoying us down here!
No one more annoying than you bilko,just go back through your posts,

[SgtBilko]

you must be bitter Janesboro are top dogs now

[theboywonder8]

you must be bitter Janesboro are top dogs now

Firstly I was delighted boro won MJ because I backed them,and secondly Pike knocked them out of FAI and Lawson Cup and beat them to the league,so why would I be bitter??

[balls]

Firstly I was delighted boro won MJ because I backed them,and secondly Pike knocked them out of FAI and Lawson Cup and beat them to the league,so why would I be bitter??

pike are best junior club in country. best players, best manager, best facilities and best fans. all teams in tsdl are terrible and will never compete with or match the standards of pike rovers. Does this statement save the froum going round in circles for a few days and we can get back to talking bout tsdl matters.

Any word out there on any signings for town,celtic or saints?? or is it abit early for any of that yet

[complexman]

Sean O'Hara, Michael Cody,Alan Cody and David Grincell are all signing for Celtic. They are going from strength to strength. Going to be hard to keep the squad happy but serious signings none the less. Heard nothing from Town, if they could get a few of the youths to play junior they will be ok. Celtic have taken over though.

[balls]

Sean O'Hara, Michael Cody,Alan Cody and David Grincell are all signing for Celtic. They are going from strength to strength. Going to be hard to keep the squad happy but serious signings none the less. Heard nothing from Town, if they could get a few of the youths to play junior they will be ok. Celtic have taken over though.

Celtic will have serious fire power if the sign o hara, alan coady and grincell. 3 top strikers.maybe one thing they lacked last season was an out and out finisher, will definatly have one of those if they sign any of those 3 players. Michael coady is probably best left full at junior level in the country, did he play much with carrick this year sine finishing up with waterford?

[republican]

Sean O'Hara, Michael Cody,Alan Cody and David Grincell are all signing for Celtic. They are going from strength to strength. Going to be hard to keep the squad happy but serious signings none the less. Heard nothing from Town, if they could get a few of the youths to play junior they will be ok. Celtic have taken over though.

if all those players sign for celtic you will see some of celtics current squad heading to clonmel town.

[complexman]

if all those players sign for celtic you will see some of celtics current squad heading to clonmel town.
Couldnt see many of them heading to Town. Id say they would got to the Bridge or Wildies first

[deadly man]

Sean O'Hara, Michael Cody,Alan Cody and David Grincell are all signing for Celtic. They are going from strength to strength. Going to be hard to keep the squad happy but serious signings none the less. Heard nothing from Town, if they could get a few of the youths to play junior they will be ok. Celtic have taken over though.
Some very good players mentioned there,quality additions to Celtics squad if true

[stelling]

Celtic will have to win a league and a few of them before they can be classed as "taking over" Complexman. But they are certainly courting the right players and if they add any of them they will be contenders,Town have an exceptional bunch of youths but you will not get anymore than 2 or 3 to really come through but a few signings and a commitment from the likes of Quinlivan and Town could be a big force next season,it's the silly season so rumours will change from week to week

[balls]

Celtic will have to win a league and a few of them before they can be classed as "taking over" Complexman. But they are certainly courting the right players and if they add any of them they will be contenders,Town have an exceptional bunch of youths but you will not get anymore than 2 or 3 to really come through but a few signings and a commitment from the likes of Quinlivan and Town could be a big force next season,it's the silly season so rumours will change from week to week

silly season is great on this though stelling, very entertaining :) Any word on where Ian Barnes will play next season

[Galla]

While I can understand fully why Celtic would try and strengthen their squad I would fear that by bringing in too many 'outsiders' they could undo what seemed to be a fairly tight group. It was great to follow a Clonmel team last season showing that they could compete with the best with local players (origins within that locality another issue!). I think 'Town showed last year that it is very easy to over-do the imports and could undo a lot of good work. But hopefully that's just pessimism and next year Celtic will go on and get some major trophy (and would be great to see 'Town make some ground up and at least close the gap).

[balls]

While I can understand fully why Celtic would try and strengthen their squad I would fear that by bringing in too many 'outsiders' they could undo what seemed to be a fairly tight group. It was great to follow a Clonmel team last season showing that they could compete with the best with local players (origins within that locality another issue!). I think 'Town showed last year that it is very easy to over-do the imports and could undo a lot of good work. But hopefully that's just pessimism and next year Celtic will go on and get some major trophy (and would be great to see 'Town make some ground up and at least close the gap).

I agree about not bringing in too many outsiders but grincell and coady are league of ireland players no junior club in the country would turn down 2 quality players like that. look at the influence kevin waters had at celtic last season , transformed the side. Also another player that would be huge addition to any tsdl club is adam mcsherry who is finished up with waterford united. Should be an interesting summer. Will it be 8 team premier division again?

[complexman]

I agree about not bringing in too many outsiders but grincell and coady are league of ireland players no junior club in the country would turn down 2 quality players like that. look at the influence kevin waters had at celtic last season , transformed the side. Also another player that would be huge addition to any tsdl club is adam mcsherry who is finished up with waterford united. Should be an interesting summer. Will it be 8 team premier division again?

Celtic are making a big push to get these players in. Kenny O'Shea and Karl Condon are actively trying to get players in and to be fair, they know what way they want their side to line up. They are telling the players who they are trying to sign , where exactly they will play. This is a positive move but of course the flip side of that is, how are you going to keep the existing players happy. Good complaint I suppose

[balls]

Agm tuesday night Cooke Park.

[complexman]

Agm tuesday night Cooke Park.

wonder what will come out of that??;)

[complexman]

anybody hear about Clonmel Town getting in a top fitness coach this season? Not the worst thing in the world to happen.

[SgtBilko]

Heard its an ex Professional footballer who played in England from Waterford

[cufc champions]

Nothing around Carrick about the two Coady's moving yet, McSharry is tied to Waterford Until the end of this season but is currently out injured for the rest of the season. If Town are getting Richie Kennedy he is expensive but an excellent fittness coach, he will dog the players. He has looked after GAA and Rugby teams in Carrick et al over the last few seasons and has had all of them flying fit.

[balls]

anybody hear about Clonmel Town getting in a top fitness coach this season? Not the worst thing in the world to happen.

numbers will have to drastically improve from last season if its to be worthwhile bringing in a top fitness coach. No point only having a handfull of lads put in the hard work, it wont win town the top trophies the club expects

[SgtBilko]

news is wayne fitzgerald and his brother are signing for Town, is that true?

[balls]

wasnt this the rumour last year that both were signing for cahir park. Two big experienced players would complement towns young players coming through the ranks. Any other transfer news Bilko?

Hopefully find out if its 8 or 9 team premier division tuesday night at agm. Cahir and borris will be big losses to the premier league facility wise , two superb pitches but i suppose its the 1st divisions gain.

[nononsense]

wasnt this the rumour last year that both were signing for cahir park. Two big experienced players would complement towns young players coming through the ranks. Any other transfer news Bilko?

Hopefully find out if its 8 or 9 team premier division tuesday night at agm. Cahir and borris will be big losses to the premier league facility wise , two superb pitches but i suppose its the 1st divisions gain.
It is my understanding (I could be wrong), according to the rules of the tsdl, two teams must go up and two must go down i.e. Cahir Park and Borris will go down with Old Bridge and Bansha celtic going up. Nothing can happen at the agm to change that. The only way that can change is if one of the promoted teams decline in writing to go up, like St.Nicholas did last season. I'm told there is a motion to change that to one up and one down but it is my understanding (and again I stress I could be wrong) this rule change, if passed by two thirds majority, cannot take effect until season 2013/2014. In my opinion therefore, whatever way you look at it, the Premier division will be 8 teams next season.

[balls]

It is my understanding (I could be wrong), according to the rules of the tsdl, two teams must go up and two must go down i.e. Cahir Park and Borris will go down with Old Bridge and Bansha celtic going up. Nothing can happen at the agm to change that. The only way that can change is if one of the promoted teams decline in writing to go up, like St.Nicholas did last season. I'm told there is a motion to change that to one up and one down but it is my understanding (and again I stress I could be wrong) this rule change, if passed by two thirds majority, cannot take effect until season 2013/2014. In my opinion therefore, whatever way you look at it, the Premier division will be 8 teams next season.

sounds about right nononsense just think its not enough games for premier division teams only having 14 league games in a campaign. Any word on any new teams joining division 4 this year

[West Hammer]

The Rule change to rule No 2 is worded ' as and from season 2012/13 only division 1 champions will be promoted to be replaced by team finishing last in premier league'
It is at the discrection of the League Committee at the first meeting after AGM to decide the make up of each division, in the passed they have not relegated teams from some divisions to balance out the numbers in others. 8 teams in the premier is to few, with the lower teams finishing football as early as mid Feb, and because Div one has 9 and they have a shield and paddy Purtell to play they are always 1 of the last to finish.

[balls]

Division 1 is nearly always the best league in tsdl west hammer. Always very competitive, all teams capable of beating each other and a good spread of trophies last season with bridge, bansha and galbally sharing the silverware. Glengoole also had a great year finishing 3rd and a shield final appearance. Should be even better next year with cullen and killenaule, 2 very strong sides promoted.

16 league games and decent chance of winning one of the cup competions, Cahir park and Borris shouldnt lose too much sleep over been relegated. Sounds more attractive than being in relegation battle and season finished mid february

[nononsense]

The Rule change to rule No 2 is worded ' as and from season 2012/13 only division 1 champions will be promoted to be replaced by team finishing last in premier league'
It is at the discrection of the League Committee at the first meeting after AGM to decide the make up of each division, in the passed they have not relegated teams from some divisions to balance out the numbers in others. 8 teams in the premier is to few, with the lower teams finishing football as early as mid Feb, and because Div one has 9 and they have a shield and paddy Purtell to play they are always 1 of the last to finish.
I had not seen the actual wording of the rule change. If it is as quoted, it could have been worded better. One could get the impression from above quote the rule change will come into effect from the start of next season 2012/2013. This cannot happen. Bansha Celtic competed on the assumption if they finished winners or runners-up in the First Division they would be promoted. By rule they are entitled to be promoted - nobody can take that right from them. If carried, the rule change comes into effect at start of season 2013/2014.

[West Hammer]

The wording of the rule change is correct. It means that teams entering for next season 2012/2013 will be under the new rule if passed. Teams that played during the 2011/2012 season just gone were under the old 2 up - 2 down rule. It is very clear that the rule is for the coming season so that teams starting out will know what will be happening at the end of the 2012/2013 season.

[nononsense]

The wording of the rule change is correct. It means that teams entering for next season 2012/2013 will be under the new rule if passed. Teams that played during the 2011/2012 season just gone were under the old 2 up - 2 down rule. It is very clear that the rule is for the coming season so that teams starting out will know what will be happening at the end of the 2012/2013 season.
Thats what I am saying. we are in agreement.

[balls]

The wording of the rule change is correct. It means that teams entering for next season 2012/2013 will be under the new rule if passed. Teams that played during the 2011/2012 season just gone were under the old 2 up - 2 down rule. It is very clear that the rule is for the coming season so that teams starting out will know what will be happening at the end of the 2012/2013 season.

My opinion would be that the team that comes 2nd should always go up. Fair enough there is a long history of teams like rosegreen, nicholas, galbally etc of struggling in premier but one up devalues finishing the season out for most clubs. At the very least should be a play off between 2nd from bottom in the premier and team that comes 2nd in division 1

[Redman028]

At the very least should be a play off between 2nd from bottom in the premier and team that comes 2nd in division 1

Exactly !! Perfect solution , The 1st division is highly competitive and in my opinion it would be a disaster for a team to go through the whole season playing very tough games week in week out and to finish 2nd and get nothing for it. At the very least they should get a playoff as Balls suggested , so at least the team that finishes 2nd bottom in premier are not quiet safe and still have work to do to save their status in the premier and the team that just misses out on The 1st division title can still go for promotion . It would be an exciting addition to the TSDL fixture list.

[West Hammer]

what will happen is you will have the premier team that has spent all season being beaten and has more than likely not played for 2 months, playing the 2nd in Div 1 who as most Div 1 teams have said do not want to go up if not winners, You will have a game that no one wants to win!!!

[Redman028]

what will happen is you will have the premier team that has spent all season being beaten and has more than likely not played for 2 months, playing the 2nd in Div 1 who as most Div 1 teams have said do not want to go up if not winners, You will have a game that no one wants to win!!!

Well thats the other side of the Coin . .

[nononsense]

what will happen is you will have the premier team that has spent all season being beaten and has more than likely not played for 2 months, playing the 2nd in Div 1 who as most Div 1 teams have said do not want to go up if not winners, You will have a game that no one wants to win!!!
Very well said. This viewpoint has probably mooted the rule change. While the 1st division is competitive I am aware of quite a few teams in it who are quite happy to stay there - they don't want to know about the Premier division. Probably not the right attitude to have but no team wants to be hammered each week no matter what the division. Fact is there are not 9 teams in the TSDL good enough for the Premier division. I think the rule change is a good one but doubt it will get two-thirds majority. Democracy dictates clubs in the second, third and fourth divisions could have the major say, many of whom probably couldn't care less as they are not affected. The rule change will be put as is - no amendment can be proposed on the night. It is either carried or not.

[West Hammer]

Having been to many League AGM's I think it the Rule will be passed, the lower leagues will just go with what ever Lewis comes up with 9 times out of 10. It will be interesting to see if the Oscar Traynor mess is made much of on the night!!

[complexman]

Nothing around Carrick about the two Coady's moving yet, McSharry is tied to Waterford Until the end of this season but is currently out injured for the rest of the season. If Town are getting Richie Kennedy he is expensive but an excellent fittness coach, he will dog the players. He has looked after GAA and Rugby teams in Carrick et al over the last few seasons and has had all of them flying fit.

how are Town paying for this? big gamble.

[balls]

how are Town paying for this? big gamble.

if every 2nd gaa and rugby club up and down the country can afford to pay coaches 2 and 3 nights of the week, surely tipperary's biggest and most successfull soccer club can afford a top fitness coach for a few weeks pre season training. Dont see that as a big gamble complexman?

[West Hammer]

GAA clubs are helped out with funding from central council, Soccer clubs end up giving over more money than they will ever get in fines and registration fee's. At last year's AGM the TSDL had over €250,000 in the Bank, I wonder how much that has increased by at this years AGM.

[complexman]

if every 2nd gaa and rugby club up and down the country can afford to pay coaches 2 and 3 nights of the week, surely tipperary's biggest and most successfull soccer club can afford a top fitness coach for a few weeks pre season training. Dont see that as a big gamble complexman?

I agree with most of what you say but at the end of the day he is a fitness coach, I am just concerned that money is scarce and whatever is available could not should be spent elsewhere. I have no idea who this guy is, he sounds excellent. I just hope Town aren't biting off more than they can chew, thats all

[Redman028]

The one up and 1 down was knocked on the head tonight , Tom lewis was in favour but it never came close to been voted in , As for the Promotion/Relegation playoff , it was suggested but deemed too expensve by Tom Lewis as it was extra game with 3 Officials and neutral ground needed so i suppose its as you were , 2 up and 2 down for the time been.

[balls]

tommy was correct with his points the team that goes up second invariably struggles year in year out, but we are all dreamers who want to see our team play premier so the vote was never going to get past the smaller clubs i.e division 1-4 clubs who have the majority in their favour for these type of decisions. another vote to increase the 5 game rule to 7 games where clubs with a and b teams, a players could play 7 games before being ineligable for being able to play B team football was also voted out in similar fashion.

Very impressed with tsdl giving the €1000 to all clubs who have youth teams. credit where its due.

[Redman028]

tommy was correct with his points the team that goes up second invariably struggles year in year out, but we are all dreamers who want to see our team play premier so the vote was never going to get past the smaller clubs i.e division 1-4 clubs who have the majority in their favour for these type of decisions. another vote to increase the 5 game rule to 7 games where clubs with a and b teams, a players could play 7 games before being ineligable for being able to play B team football was also voted out in similar fashion.

Very impressed with tsdl giving the €1000 to all clubs who have youth teams. credit where its due.

Again i think the 7 game rule was never gonna get past the smaller clubs because the 5 game rule has been a big problem for them for years , Where in the 1st few weeks of season a Weak "B" side in the 3rd or 4th divisions turn up on a Sunday with "A" players. Also must agree with the grants for youths teams... Its fair to say the T.S.D.L are almost paying for the teams to have youths sides , Nice gesture and as you said Balls , credit where credits due !!

[republican]

if every 2nd gaa and rugby club up and down the country can afford to pay coaches 2 and 3 nights of the week, surely tipperary's biggest and most successfull soccer club can afford a top fitness coach for a few weeks pre season training. Dont see that as a big gamble complexman?
tipperarys 'biggest' and 'most successful' soccer club????? alot of people at saint michaels will disagree with you on that statement balls considering saint michaels are the only tsdl club to win every honour at youth and junior level locally and nationally, have won more munster junior cups 6 compared to 3, and have contested 5 fai junior cup finals in their history compared to 1.

[stelling]

tipperarys 'biggest' and 'most successful' soccer club????? alot of people at saint michaels will disagree with you on that statement balls considering saint michaels are the only tsdl club to win every honour at youth and junior level locally and nationally, have won more munster junior cups 6 compared to 3, and have contested 5 fai junior cup finals in their history compared to 1.

Clonmel Town have won more Leagues and Cups domestically so he is correct in calling them "Tipperarys" biggest and most successful club

[nononsense]

Haven't heard much about the agm but it appears to have gone off okay. I was correct on the rule change- couldn't see it carried. Was there any reference to the Oscar Traynor? At the end of the day there is little interest in this competition. The money regarding youth teams to be commended. Pity so few youth teams. Clonmel has a population of 17,000-18,000, yet just one youth team playing competitive soccer in the town. No youth team in Cashel. Pity the TSDL is again left to the same 5 people to run it. League Secretary there now for 35 years and no sign of a successor. Time now to put up the feet and watch the Euro championships.

[Tipp Top]

Now that the forms are out has there been any official signings yet?

[hotspur]

Now that the forms are out has there been any official signings yet?

Couple from limerick gone to st michaels if rumours are true.

[Tipp Top]

Couple from limerick gone to st michaels if rumours are true.

Well Hotspur tell on?

[hotspur]

Well Hotspur tell on?
Ah you'll hear soon enough,all I'll say is their 2 forwards.