LoI in Europe 2018

[paul_oshea]

Dundalk dont look like scoring, hobans touch letting him down. IF they could get one before half time then its still to play for, but theyre not even getting close to the final 1/3 of the pitch nevermind scoring a goal.

[MattB11]

They'd do well to avoid a drubbing

[Straightstory]

Dreadful performance so far.

[paul_oshea]

Mcgrath had a good chance htere, it seemed like a pass shot, he never got anything on it

[Philosophizer]

Strange that dundalk aren't trying to win this. I thought they had the special mentality that other LOI clubs don't have.

They won't win this one, but they've still won a lot more games in Europe recently than any other LOI side.

[sbgawa]

yeah shocking performance not what I expected.
Its like two different teams out there from the last leg.

[Duggie]

Hoban does not look cut out for the top level.

[Philosophizer]

Hoban does not look cut out for the top level.
More to do with Conolly and Duffy and Benson not doing enough I would say. Those 3 have been poor imo.

[paul_oshea]

THey weren't marking him when he got the ball played into him.

[Asterix]

They won't win this one, but they've still won a lot more games in Europe recently than any other LOI side.

Since the 2015/16 season Dundalk Cork and Rovers have won 4 games each in Europe. Two of Dundalks were against better quality teams than what Rovers and Cork beat but Dundalk aren't the European specialists they like to make out they are.

[paul_oshea]

Awful ball watching all around there. After the header, Cleary or whoever it was just ball watching when rogers makes the save. Rogers should have done better.

This is as bad as anything ye'll have seen in Europe.

[Paulgufc]

Wow. Sean Hoare. Just wow. This could get embarrassing

[Duggie]

**** sake

[paul_oshea]

Since the 2015/16 season Dundalk Cork and Rovers have won 4 games each in Europe. Two of Dundalks were against better quality teams than what Rovers and Cork beat but Dundalk aren't the European specialists they like to make out they are.

What about the draws along the way as well. There was no chance Cork would beat a side like BATE nevermind by 3 goals. Dundalk drew with Alkmaar and Maccabi and drew with Larnaca at home last week, again something COrk couldnt do.

[Real ale Madrid]

Cork would lose to this Larnaca side 10-0 on agg.

[TonyD]

3 chances, 3 goals. All goals were awful from Dundalk point of view. Hoare twice and then Rogers, just shocking. Even at 2 they still maybe had a chance, third kills it.

[Philosophizer]

Since the 2015/16 season Dundalk Cork and Rovers have won 4 games each in Europe. Two of Dundalks were against better quality teams than what Rovers and Cork beat but Dundalk aren't the European specialists they like to make out they are.
You're not really comparing like with like though are you. Dundalk usually topped the league recently so played CL most years.
Dundalk have done much better in Europe than any other LOI side in recent years. They came close to getting out of the EL group!! I'd consider that much better than what anyone else did.
I'm hoping we'll see something like that again soon from a LOI side but I seriously doubt it.

[El-Pietro]

They won't win this one, but they've still won a lot more games in Europe recently than any other LOI side.

Thats a myth. Dundalk have had great success in Europe but they didn't actually win all that many games.
Since their return to Europe in 2014 tonight is their 24th game.
They have won 7 of those. In 2016 when they made the group stages they won a total of 2 games. One vs BATE (an incredibly impressive performance) and one vs Maccabi Tel Aviv.
Their other wins are the two this year vs Levadia, two in 2014 against Jeunnese Esch and one in 2014 vs Hadjuk Split.

Cork City have played in 14 games since our return a year later in 2015. We've won 4 of those so far. Not quite as many as Dundalk granted but not a terrible return comparatively. IN percentage terms its pretty close actually (CCFC 28.57%, Dundalk 29.17%).
If we use the same time period, 2015 vs 2015 we have in fact won the exact same number of games.

But Europe isn't about games its about ties. Dundalk have won a total of 4 ties. Esch, FH, BATE (again very impressive, possibly the most impressive result in recent history) and Levadia.
Cork City have won three. Linfield, Hacken and Levadia. If we compare from 2015 then both teams have won the same number of ties.

Dundalk are a very good team. They have probably been the standard bearers in Europe in recent years with so many impressive performances, especially in 2016 against BATE and in the group stage. They made history in 2016 and we should commend them for that.

They haven't been all that good since 2016 though have they? They gave a good account of themselves against Rosenborg but then went out. They beat Levadia by half the score Cork City did a year previous and currently are 3-0 down in Larnaca.

[Duggie]

Lads who gives a flying fcuk what cork or dundalk would do against the same teams. Give it a fcking rest.

[ger121]

Bad night at the office for De Town. Over to you,Continuity Cork.

[nigel-harps1954]

Jesus lads, another f*cking Dundalk/Cork argument. Cop on.

This is a woeful Dundalk performance. There can be no excuses made, it's just brutal.

[El-Pietro]

What about the draws along the way as well. There was no chance Cork would beat a side like BATE nevermind by 3 goals. Dundalk drew with Alkmaar and Maccabi and drew with Larnaca at home last week, again something COrk couldnt do.

Ok lets look at the draws too. In 2016 Dundalk picked up what would effectively be 10 points in match results. They won two games and drew four. Cork City picked up 8 points. Two wins, two draws two losess. Granted we played a lesser standard of opposition but Dundalks success was as much down to the format rather than results. If Cork City beat Rosenborg and then through some quirk of the draw play Crusaders in the playoff round will you say its a great Cork City team because they will have reached the group stages? Of course not.

As for your comment regarding Larnaca, clearly you didn't watch last years games. Larnaca are a very good side, they limited our chances and we still should have had a penalty in both legs. They beat us 2-0 on aggregate. Very professional. Maybe if we had tested them more they would have stepped it up a gear. Maybe not, we will never know.

[Philosophizer]

They may not have won all that many but they've managed to get further in Europe than anyone else didn't they? Whether it be on away goals or whatever they did enough to get through.
And they're general level of performance was consistently superior to what we usually see from LOI teams.

[Real ale Madrid]

Jesus lads, another f*cking Dundalk/Cork argument. Cop on.

This is a woeful Dundalk performance. There can be no excuses made, it's just brutal.

Well this is the Loi in Europe thread and Dundalk & City are the only 2 teams left.

It's a pity Dundalk fell away. But I'm disappointed in them tactically. They learned nothing from the first game.

[sbgawa]

So its down to Cork left in Europe versus Rosenberg.
They didn't look like much against Celtic but I think Celtic are better than people are giving them credit for , tough tough tie

[pineapple stu]

Dinamo Minsk 4-1 up on aggregate against Dunajska Streda from Slovakia. How Derry nearly knocked them out, I don't know

[ger121]

God help us all on this forum if Cork beat Rosenborg. It will just add more fuel to the fire that is the Dundalk vs Cork ****ing contest.

[Philosophizer]

This is a woeful Dundalk performance. There can be no excuses made, it's just brutal.

Agreed on all points. Worst I've seen from Dundalk in Europe under Kenny by a mile.
They did so much good for the rep of Irish football in Europe over the last few years but now they're in danger of undoing a lot of that this evening if they can't make a better fist of the second half.

[ger121]

So its down to Cork left in Europe versus Rosenberg.
They didn't look like much against Celtic but I think Celtic are better than people are giving them credit for , tough tough tie

They are very good under Rogers and should not only make the group stages but depending on the draw, would fancy their chances of progressing to the last 16.

[Straightstory]

The good part is that I now don't have to watch the second half (and hear Damian Lynch say his favourite word 'dere' in every sentence).

[Philosophizer]

Did Hoare get a touch on the second goal?? As he was sauntering back to his man...

[El-Pietro]

They may not have won all that many but they've managed to get further in Europe than anyone else didn't they? Whether it be on away goals or whatever they did enough to get through.
And they're general level of performance was consistently superior to what we usually see from LOI teams.
We've both won 4 ties since 2015. The format greatly helps Champions and they made the most of that in 2016. It was a great European run. We've gotten a slice of luck in our Champions League run so far despite not winning any ties. Maybe we will manage to make the group stages too. Probably not but its possible.
European progress is equal parts luck of the draw and footballing ability. You need both to go your way to make the group stages.

[paul_oshea]

Ok lets look at the draws too. In 2016 Dundalk picked up what would effectively be 10 points in match results. They won two games and drew four. Cork City picked up 8 points. Two wins, two draws two losess. Granted we played a lesser standard of opposition but Dundalks success was as much down to the format rather than results. If Cork City beat Rosenborg and then through some quirk of the draw play Crusaders in the playoff round will you say its a great Cork City team because they will have reached the group stages? Of course not.

As for your comment regarding Larnaca, clearly you didn't watch last years games. Larnaca are a very good side, they limited our chances and we still should have had a penalty in both legs. They beat us 2-0 on aggregate. Very professional. Maybe if we had tested them more they would have stepped it up a gear. Maybe not, we will never know.

I did. I watched both games. The difference generally when dundalk or cork play in Europe is cork would be described as brave or gave it their all or came up short to a very good technical side. Basically its unflattering and not very complementary, showing a fair inferiority. When dundalk play the superlatives used are more like youd expect of a decent european pedigree team -this evening aside.

Those games last year Cork huffed and puffed at home never looked like scoring and lost 0 1, commendable but like a blunt hammer it'll never get the job done. This larnaca team are better than last year and what ive read have added more spanish la liga experience. Still doesnt take away from a shabby and shoddy dundalk performance from nearly all 11 and goals conceded because of 2 or 3 players individual mistakes.

Dundalk have looked lethargic from the off, their basic 5 yard passes have looked off. It cant just be heat can it?

[placid casual]

I'm gutted we now won't get to see the total football originators Ajax against their natural successors. I blame the weather. Goddam you summertime, with your hot weather, and stuff...

[paul_oshea]

Ok lets look at the draws too. In 2016 Dundalk picked up what would effectively be 10 points in match results. They won two games and drew four. Cork City picked up 8 points. Two wins, two draws two losess. Granted we played a lesser standard of opposition but Dundalks success was as much down to the format rather than results. If Cork City beat Rosenborg and then through some quirk of the draw play Crusaders in the playoff round will you say its a great Cork City team because they will have reached the group stages? Of course not.

As for your comment regarding Larnaca, clearly you didn't watch last years games. Larnaca are a very good side, they limited our chances and we still should have had a penalty in both legs. They beat us 2-0 on aggregate. Very professional. Maybe if we had tested them more they would have stepped it up a gear. Maybe not, we will never know.


We've both won 4 ties since 2015. The format greatly helps Champions and they made the most of that in 2016. It was a great European run. We've gotten a slice of luck in our Champions League run so far despite not winning any ties. Maybe we will manage to make the group stages too. Probably not but its possible.
European progress is equal parts luck of the draw and footballing ability. You need both to go your way to make the group stages.

Im out, but id be interested to see a cork v dundalk table grouped by results, club cp-effs, country co-effs, then we'll see the validity of your point. Dundalk have broken and gone well beyond the breach, cork have bounced off it, getting stung in the process.

[El-Pietro]

I did. I watched both games. The difference generally when dundalk or cork play in Europe is cork would be described as brave or gave it their all or came up short to a very good technical side. Basically its unflattering and not very complementary, showing a fair inferiority. When dundalk play the superlatives used are more like youd expect of a decent european pedigree team -this evening aside.

Those games last year Cork huffed and puffed at home never looked like scoring and lost 0 1, commendable but like a blunt hammer it'll never get the job done. This larnaca team are better than last year and what ive read have added more spanish la liga experience. Still doesnt take away from a shabby and shoddy dundalk performance from nearly all 11 and goals conceded because of 2 or 3 players individual mistakes.

Dundalk have looked lethargic from the off, their basic 5 yard passes have looked off. It cant just be heat can it?
End result is both teams get knocked out. Doesn't matter what they looked like when the result is the same really does it? As for what people say about it, well theres a reason we have a chip on our shoulders.
Now will you be here next week or are you back off to the rest of the forum for another year now that your darlings are out of Europe?

[Philosophizer]

Should have put away one of those chances...

[TonyD]

Two great chances there in the last few minutes. There's the difference. If they had both gone in, which they should have, suddenly its game on.

[El-Pietro]

Im out, but id be interested to see a cork v dundalk table grouped by results, club cp-effs, country co-effs, then we'll see the validity of your point. Dundalk have broken and gone well beyond the breach, cork have bounced off it, getting stung in the process.
I'm not saying Dundalk haven't achieved more in Europe, they definitely have. But there is this idea that they are infallible. Take 2016 out of it and they haven't done much.
As for country coefficients etc. The last tie Dundalk won was against BATE. Belarus is currently 21st, Sweden is 22nd. In 2016 Belarus was 20th, Sweden was 21st.

EDIT: The last tie they won was Levadia. I mentally skipped over it as City beat the same side.

[sbgawa]

EL P has it there apart from 2016 they've not done a lot.
By next year who will even remember 2016.
You could say the same for rovers since 2011 as well but even if they were o e offs they were great days

[Philosophizer]

Jarvis was almost in the 6yard box there and still couldn't make up his mind to shoot.

[Jack B]

McEleney has looked dangerous since he's come on, about the only bright spot they've had in this game really. Shame for Dundalk he wasn't a bit sharper that he could play the full 90 (not that it would have altered the outcome much).

[Philosophizer]

Jesus. Dundalk have actually had 2-3 decent goalscoring chances in the 2nd half

[ger121]

Jesus. Dundalk have actually had 2-3 decent goalscoring chances in the 2nd half

Couldn’t defend in the 1st half. Can’t finish in the 2nd half. When it’s not your night....

[TonyD]

Jesus. Dundalk have actually had 2-3 decent goalscoring chances in the 2nd half

Yep. Hobans header was a sitter really, and then a terrible touch from Duffy in the box when if he'd controlled it he surely must have scored. That and the silly goals they gave away are the margins that separate the men from the boys at this level.

[paul_oshea]

Jarvis was almost in the 6yard box there and still couldn't make up his mind to shoot.

Ya i said the same in the first gsme snd theyre doing it again today. Even that lob cross to hoban when he fouked the defender made no sense.

Samr can be said for cork away to legia though

[paul_oshea]

Ok lets look at the draws too. In 2016 Dundalk picked up what would effectively be 10 points in match results. They won two games and drew four. Cork City picked up 8 points. Two wins, two draws two losess. Granted we played a lesser standard of opposition but Dundalks success was as much down to the format rather than results. If Cork City beat Rosenborg and then through some quirk of the draw play Crusaders in the playoff round will you say its a great Cork City team because they will have reached the group stages? Of course not.

As for your comment regarding Larnaca, clearly you didn't watch last years games. Larnaca are a very good side, they limited our chances and we still should have had a penalty in both legs. They beat us 2-0 on aggregate. Very professional. Maybe if we had tested them more they would have stepped it up a gear. Maybe not, we will never know.


End result is both teams get knocked out. Doesn't matter what they looked like when the result is the same really does it? As for what people say about it, well theres a reason we have a chip on our shoulders.
Now will you be here next week or are you back off to the rest of the forum for another year now that your darlings are out of Europe?

Yes i will, hoping Cork prove me wrong of course.

[ger121]

4 nil now.

[pineapple stu]

4-0 Minsk too; 7-1 on aggregate

Strange night

[ger121]

You could just see they’d score a 4th.