LoI in Europe 2018

[El-Pietro]

Given the negativity around the game for Liam Miller RIP I doubt you would get much joy from Cork bog ballers regarding PUC. would be a pity to take such games out of Cork but Thomond is probably a better option than Dublin. lets hope it becomes a problem for group games !

Down this way all the negativity has been directed at the GAA. I don't think we'll see a quick ruling making it available for us should we need it but its good to keep the discussion going. It doesn't make sense for us to move out of Cork when a publickly funded stadium that is open for 12 days a year sits empty.

I think long term our best option is to buy into Musgrave Park and redevelop that into a 10-12k seated Cat 4 stadium that can be shared/municipal. Thats long term though.

[marinobohs]

Down this way all the negativity has been directed at the GAA. I don't think we'll see a quick ruling making it available for us should we need it but its good to keep the discussion going. It doesn't make sense for us to move out of Cork when a publickly funded stadium that is open for 12 days a year sits empty.

I think long term our best option is to buy into Musgrave Park and redevelop that into a 10-12k seated Cat 4 stadium that can be shared/municipal. Thats long term though.

Would make sense all around to see the gam(es) played at PUC - including making money for the GAA. Unfortunately it appears bigotry even trumps financial gain for some :rolleyes: personally I believe large tax payer input should entitle some level of access for non GAA activities but that's another story.

[seand]

Hopefully staying in TX would be feasible. It's got a bigger capacity than Tallaght where we played out group games. I imagine it had other issues though

[EatYerGreens]

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/soccer/thomond-park-to-host-cork-city-european-games--as-pairc-not-being-considered-858129.html
Clearly timed to add to the pressure on the GAA surrounding Pairc Ui Chaoimh but I'm glad to hear we'd be moving to Limerick rather than Dublin. I'm no fan of Thomond Park but I'd much prefer to play a 'home' game there rather than in Dublin. Plus with some EL group games starting at 6pm getting to Limerick would be easier for people in the City and west of the City than Dublin. Especially with rush hour traffic around Dublin.

Hopefully if we do get to these games the PUC issue is resolved and we can keep the games in Cork. I think we would probably need to move a playoff round game too. It is quite possible that we get that far this year. Maybe 40% as we'd still be underdogs vs Rosenborg but definitely a real possibility.

It is looking likely that the GAA will be shamed into letting the Liam Miller game go ahead at PuC - no doubt using some mealy-mouthed self-serving set of words to justify it being a super-doper one-off never to happen again thing.

I wouldn't bet on Cork City getting to use PuC so quickly after it's been wrenched out of the GAA's hands for that game. Though it does feel like the start of the slow end of the GAA's ridiculous ban on Saxon sports using their facilities. And not before time.

[paul_oshea]

Would make sense all around to see the gam(es) played at PUC - including making money for the GAA. Unfortunately it appears bigotry even trumps financial gain for some :rolleyes: personally I believe large tax payer input should entitle some level of access for non GAA activities but that's another story.

Ya but that's retrospective, when the money was given it should have been a clear stipulation. Its the governments fault for not clearly stipulating, saying community events etc is vague and ambiguous and gave the GAA wriggle room - which is probably the intended objective.

I think PUC would be sh1t for football, they get 70million Euro and they cant even build a proper stadium. Must be a cork thing :P

[EatYerGreens]

Any decision made around the Liam miller game, would be an exemption, they couldn't change to open up the ground before congress, which has already was being reported as having being widely rejected in 2017. I don't see why they should open their grounds either to be honest. Same as i don't see why gaa should be played on football pitches.

What criteria do Cork not meet for a play-off game? Munster FA own turners cross do they? Effectively meaning FAI owned?

Surely rather than have GAA Central Council/Congress call the shots, like some sort of authoritarian dictatorship, it should be left up to each individual county and club to decide what to do with its own facilities ?

And if you don't think GAA grounds should be opened up to other sports - does that include American Football and things like Beyoncé and Springsteen too, or just 'Saxon' games ?

Do you think football and rugby should reciprocate by not letting GAA clubs use their facilities ? There are a number of GAA clubs in Ireland and overseas which simply wouldn't exist now if other sports had taken a similarly bigoted or retaliatory view. Or is it only the GAA who should be allowed to act in such a way ?

P.S. The Munster FA is the Munster FA - not the FAI. I'm pretty sure it even pre-dates the foundation of the FAI (the Munster Senior Cup does anyway).

[RathfarnhamHoop]

Down this way all the negativity has been directed at the GAA. I don't think we'll see a quick ruling making it available for us should we need it but its good to keep the discussion going. It doesn't make sense for us to move out of Cork when a publickly funded stadium that is open for 12 days a year sits empty.

I think long term our best option is to buy into Musgrave Park and redevelop that into a 10-12k seated Cat 4 stadium that can be shared/municipal. Thats long term though.
Musgrave is just getting a new astro put down in it and I'm not sure on how suitable it would be for football. Then the clubs that play there probably have a lease that would be an issue too. It would be good, but complicated.


Any decision made around the Liam miller game, would be an exemption, they couldn't change to open up the ground before congress, which has already was being reported as having being widely rejected in 2017. I don't see why they should open their grounds either to be honest. Same as i don't see why gaa should be played on football pitches.

What criteria do Cork not meet for a play-off game? Munster FA own turners cross do they? Effectively meaning FAI owned?

Since they got state funding EU regulations mean that pretty much they can't have their facilities completely unavailable for use to the community as they have now but are trying to get around by offering the conference facilities out but the EU weren't happy with the funding in the first place so they probably won't buy that

[Martinho II]

is Musgrave Park beside Turners Cross by any chance?

[Real ale Madrid]

is Musgrave Park beside Turners Cross by any chance?

About 500m

[osarusan]

GAA made a mistake by initially refusing to host the Miller game. It was a charity event, and the backlash, even from within their own sport, is something they really should have expected.

But I don't think there would be anything like the same reaction (from GAA people anyway) if Cork City were refused use of PUC for European games.

[Ezeikial]

But I don't think there would be anything like the same reaction (from GAA people anyway) if Cork City were refused use of PUC for European games.

In my opinion the general reaction would be totally different - It would be at best unsympathetic and more likely to be overtly hostile

[Pablo Escobar]

would Cork City realistically get more than 7k for the games anyway?

Absolutely, yes. However, Turners Cross for me unless it's turned down which it likely will be.

I actually think the backlash in Cork about us not being allowed to play group games in PuC (as hypothetical as can be) would be huge. The bigots still exist, but they represent a much smaller portion of the population than they would have previously. Also, the club has built enormous goodwill around the city and have helped to carve a different image for LOI football over the past few years.

It wouldn't be quite the disgusted backlash of the Liam Miller fiasco, but a frustration around the continued bigotry and the public funds which have literally been sunk into this white elephant. A white elephant which shouldn't be so.

[Ezeikial]

Absolutely, yes. However, Turners Cross for me unless it's turned down which it likely will be.

I actually think the backlash in Cork about us not being allowed to play group games in PuC (as hypothetical as can be) would be huge. The bigots still exist, but they represent a much smaller portion of the population than they would have previously. Also, the club has built enormous goodwill around the city and have helped to carve a different image for LOI football over the past few years.

It wouldn't be quite the disgusted backlash of the Liam Miller fiasco, but a frustration around the continued bigotry and the public funds which have literally been sunk into this white elephant. A white elephant which shouldn't be so.

Perhaps the general vibe in Cork would be supportive, but there would be strong resistance nationally and probably locally.

[Pablo Escobar]

Perhaps the general vibe in Cork would be supportive, but there would be strong resistance nationally and probably locally.

Resistance, yes there would. It's a sad indictment of the types we still have living in this country.

[Martinho II]

About 500m

ah know it so!

[Martinho II]

is Musgrave Park beside Turners Cross by any chance?

is that where Cork City played Bayern Munich?

[sullanefc]

is that where Cork City played Bayern Munich?

That's the one.

[marinobohs]

It is looking likely that the GAA will be shamed into letting the Liam Miller game go ahead at PuC - no doubt using some mealy-mouthed self-serving set of words to justify it being a super-doper one-off never to happen again thing.

I wouldn't bet on Cork City getting to use PuC so quickly after it's been wrenched out of the GAA's hands for that game. Though it does feel like the start of the slow end of the GAA's ridiculous ban on Saxon sports using their facilities. And not before time.

Jeez, are you writing the GAA statements now EYG ? almost an uncanny similarity to the Croke Park politburo missive ;) They realise they screwed up RE the L.M. match but warning they will be prepared next time ! Don't fancy City's chances of much help from that quarter.

[paul_oshea]

Surely rather than have GAA Central Council/Congress call the shots, like some sort of authoritarian dictatorship, it should be left up to each individual county and club to decide what to do with its own facilities ?

And if you don't think GAA grounds should be opened up to other sports - does that include American Football and things like Beyoncé and Springsteen too, or just 'Saxon' games ?

Do you think football and rugby should reciprocate by not letting GAA clubs use their facilities ? There are a number of GAA clubs in Ireland and overseas which simply wouldn't exist now if other sports had taken a similarly bigoted or retaliatory view. Or is it only the GAA who should be allowed to act in such a way ?

P.S. The Munster FA is the Munster FA - not the FAI. I'm pretty sure it even pre-dates the foundation of the FAI (the Munster Senior Cup does anyway).

Interesting point this, as reading some articles over the weekend suggests that now the GAA will have to go and do something like this, as its proven that the rulebook isn't worth the paper its written on. I think it is, this is in itself a community event, a charity event.

I don't think it should be necessarily be up to anyone central structure, i agree with that. I just think football pitches and GAA pitches are not suited to be played in the same pitches. GAA have generally at local level, same as most football clubs, fundraised and built most of their own facilities with sports grands and GAA hq giving some money too. IT should be their choice as an individual club what they do with it, but I think it each sport should play on their own pitches.

[paul_oshea]

Absolutely, yes. However, Turners Cross for me unless it's turned down which it likely will be.

I actually think the backlash in Cork about us not being allowed to play group games in PuC (as hypothetical as can be) would be huge. The bigots still exist, but they represent a much smaller portion of the population than they would have previously. Also, the club has built enormous goodwill around the city and have helped to carve a different image for LOI football over the past few years.

It wouldn't be quite the disgusted backlash of the Liam Miller fiasco, but a frustration around the continued bigotry and the public funds which have literally been sunk into this white elephant. A white elephant which shouldn't be so.

I have no idea of local politics or localism in Cork, but my friends would suggest that "tis only small ball in cork boy", and there would be little appetite for association football being played in PUC. I have no idea as i said so happy to be wrong on this one.

[paul_oshea]

I'm reading the Dundalk game is 4.30 I'm assuming that's 6.30 Irish time? That's going to be still very hot out there. BUt at least ill get to see the game if its at that time :D

[Real ale Madrid]

I'm reading the Dundalk game is 4.30 I'm assuming that's 6.30 Irish time? That's going to be still very hot out there. BUt at least ill get to see the game if its at that time :D

4.30 Irish 6.30 local.

[paul_oshea]

Ya sorry, not local time. They're ahead of course. Cheers. still warm then.

[EatYerGreens]

Anyone know of places in Belfast that would be likely to show the Dundalk game ? Even if asked, rather than have it on anyway. Any sports bars there ?

[oriel]

Not to say it will be any cooler, but got a text from a mate in Larnaca last night, he's out for the game, said it was 27c at 6.30 local time, could even be hotter this Thursday as we are into August.

Dundalk flying out tomorrow am, basing themselves in Nicosia as its the warmest part, to acclimatize for the match.

Getting the first goal will make things interesting, but also no disaster if we go one behind, go two down and it probably will be curtains. Tough one to call, I think we will score, but AEK will be firm favourites that's for sure.

[paul_oshea]

Cyprus and greece are normally mid 30s in August.

[Ezeikial]

but got a text from a mate in Larnaca last night, he's out for the game, said it was 27c at 6.30 local time, could even be hotter this Thursday as we are into August.


Cyprus and greece are normally mid 30s in August.

No league of Ireland team or fan should go anywhere without first checking in with Paul.

There I was going about my business preparing for a temperature of 27c and now I realise that the oven will be 8c degrees higher - and I can't even escape by going to Greece!

[paul_oshea]

Don't be exaggerating now Ezeikial, no prophesying from me, it will only be 7 degrees warmer.

[Kingdom]

Don't be exaggerating now Ezeikial, no prophesying from me, it will only be 7 degrees warmer.

Jesus Christ Paul, you really do us floating fans no favours with the amount of ****e you spout.

[Philosophizer]

After being knocked out last of Europe last night by Trnava, Legia have sacked their manager who was only appointed in June - http://www.the42.ie/legia-warsaw-sack-dean-klafuric-4158823-Aug2018/

In addition to their Champions League exit, Legia began their Polish title defence with a shock home defeat to Zaglebie Lubin. They also suffered a 3-2 defeat to Arka Gdynia in the Polish Super Cup.

This just makes Cork's performance look even worse now. Legia were there for the taking...

[White Horse]

It is hard to fathom how much Legia have disimproved since getting to the Champions League two seasons ago. Cork must be beginning to realise that this was a huge missed opportunity. Opportunities to advance in the Champions League don't come about very often. It's hard enough winning the domestic league, to start with.

Another "if only" moment for a LOI club.

[patrickccfc]

Thought we did really well in the first leg, could've been a different story in the second leg had we taken at least two of our chances in the first. It is hugely frustrating that we didn't do much over in Poland given their poor start to the season.

So next up is Rosenborg. If we get similar chances as we did against Legia, then we really need to put them away, but definitely keeping a clean sheet is massive here.

[swinfordfc]

Big game tonight - good luck to Dundalk!

[paul_oshea]

The Irish times online have it down as Champions league :rolleyes: Google weather says 33 already at 12.30...

Dundalk are 7.5 for the score draw on 90, seems like a good bet.

[disgruntled]

Good luck to Dundalk this evening.
Hope they get through.

[Philosophizer]

Chris shields is making the right noises in the Irish Sun anyway:

And in the next round against Hajduk Split, whom Dundalk beat 2-1 in Croatia having lost 2-0 at home, he realised that the gap was not as big as he might have imagined.
Shields added: “I remember walking out then, that was my first real club that I faced and I was a bit awe-struck at the start when you see the big stadium.
“But once you get into the play of things you *realise, ‘I’m not a million miles off these players, there is no reason why I should be fearing anything here’.
“We’ve strived as a team since that day and realised there is nothing to be afraid of in Europe. I think I have and a lot of the lads have, the *experience has stood to them.
“You see the likes of Dane Massey and Seán Gannon, who are record-setters for the club in European appearances.
“They’re quite assured in Europe.
“For the likes of myself, it’s time to stand up and *Robbie Benson has a great European pedigree because he scores goals.”

Gonna be very difficult out there in that heat, but they have a chance.

[Dundalk daz]

Believe to achieve!!! MON THE TOWN !!!

[EatYerGreens]

If anyone is in Belfast, Laverys Bar have told me they'll probably be showing the match.

[Philosophizer]

Larnaca dominating early

[paul_oshea]

good goal, dundalk good counter, Hoare should have tracked better.

[ger121]

Nothing changed really. Always had to score. Big thing now will be not to concede a 2nd.

[paul_oshea]

It might not be the worst thing to be like this heading into the last 10.

[nigel-harps1954]

That goal was coming in fairness. Dundalk really need to settle a bit and get a decent sequence of passing together. They're allowing Larnaca get on top of them

[Philosophizer]

Bad 1st 15 mins for Dundalk. Under big pressure and conolly and gave it away v cheaply a couple of times. Managed a dangerous counter then immediately got sliced open on a counter themselves.

[Philosophizer]

That was poor by duffy, just lobbed it into the keepers arms. Should have just passed it to McGrath and kept possession.

[Philosophizer]

Hoare absolutely shocking at this level as a RB. He's been caught out positionally for both goals.

[paul_oshea]

Brutal defending, two bad mistakes by the one player, hoare should never have been caught like that, ball watching. Long time since we have seen that from a Dundalk side. Old days 1 man letting his team mates down.

[Asterix]

Strange that dundalk aren't trying to win this. I thought they had the special mentality that other LOI clubs don't have.

[Duggie]

Very poor goals yo be giving away. Cant see them scoring 2 now.

[Philosophizer]

Looks like game over already unfortunately. I doubt we'll see Hoare at RB again against top European opposition.