LoI in Europe 2018

[Dalymountrower]

Mmmm I seem to recall TNS winning 4 nil in Europe before

Mmmm. I seem to remember Derby County winning 12-0 in Europe before, unlikely to happen again though.

[jinxy lilywhite]

Aren't Larnaca the team Cork played last year?? They've imported about 10-15 Spanish lads (a few with La Liga experience) in the last couple of years. I wouldn't have any Irish team as favs against them. They looked a cut above LOI standard when i watched their second leg vs Cork last year.

Well according to the Cork boys last year they were the greatest team of all time. So I think we will have our work cut out providing we get past Talinn tomorrow evening.

[jinxy lilywhite]

Cherrie is in absolute no mans land though. He ends up a yard or two outside the six yard box. The Legia attacker has no choice but to play it accross the goal. Griffen should have stayed tracking the ball and Cherrie should stay on his line.

Yes there are other errors but his is the main error. Terrible goalkeeping.https://foot.ie/attachment.php?attachmentid=2703&stc=1

you wouldn't of said that if it was St. McNulty. Cherrie was thrown under a bus by the cork defence there

[Real ale Madrid]

you wouldn't of said that if it was St. McNulty. Cherrie was thrown under a bus by the cork defence there

Feel free to revert with an actual opinion on the play rather than a pointless quip.

[Ezeikial]

Stephen Kenny in Euro press conference today.


What other clubs do is irrelevant to us . We’re forging our own identity and we don’t feel inferior to anyone and we never will. We'll never go on the pitch and surrender possession and be inferior to anyone. But at the same time we never underestimate anyone either. We understand that we are not at the level that we can underestimate any team in Europe such is the rise in standards through Europe. You have to earn the right to win every game.

It's a consistent philosophy whether the opposition are huge clubs with enormous budgets or lower ranked opposition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw0ueXpbqgQ

[Duggie]

It makes sense. If your talking about how good the opposition are and how much money they have etc that has to get into the players minds even before they step on the pitch. Has to. Now it does not mean if your positive that you will go out and win regardless but at least your giving your players a positive message.

[Ezeikial]

https://quotefancy.com/media/wallpaper/1600x900/6360823-Henry-Ford-Quote-Whether-you-think-you-can-or-you-can-t-you-re.jpg

[sidewayspasser]

If Legia lose their Q2 tie and drop into the EL, would it be possible for City to get them again in Q3, or would teams that have already played each other be kept apart in the draw?

[ger121]

Rosenborg sneak through with a 94th minute penalty. Were going out on away goals. Geysir won’t be a happy camper.

[geysir]

That was a bizarre game altogether Rosenborg v Valur. The ref awarded 3 penalties, all three "never in a millions years" were penalties, the last of which came in et when Bendtner pushed a defender in the back, as the defender fell forward, the ball hit his hand. As it stood Valur were going through. The goalie got a good hand to the penalty, deflected it onto the crossbar but not enough and it just dropped back down over the line.

[micls]

Well according to the Cork boys last year they were the greatest team of all time. So I think we will have our work cut out providing we get past Talinn tomorrow evening.


you wouldn't of said that if it was St. McNulty. Cherrie was thrown under a bus by the cork defence there

Random comments.

Larnaca are far from the best team ever. They are however highly organised and we're tactically spot on against us. They limited us to very few chances. They didn't create a huge amount themselves, but we're clinical with what they did create. They were also incredibly cynical and frustrating that way. They're a decent side and will give Dundalk a good game.

On the goal, Cherrie absolutely screwed up there, I'm not sure Joe you could say any different, whoever was in goal. He admitted it himselves. Felt sorry for him, he made some fantastic saves on the night but ones like that haint you a bit.

[micls]

Now confirmed the teams we can get in QR3. Draw on Monday to see which tie we get the loser of.

[micls]

On last night. Great trip and what an incredible atmosphere to experience. Can only imagine what the place is like on a big night.

Caulfield got the tactics spot on last week, but we left it behind us not being clinical. Also that penalty! That was our chance.

But last night, he got the tactics wrong, particularly after conceding the first. Im not upset we lost to a team like Legia but its very frustrating that we gifted them the goals. Wouldn't mind if they carved us open wihh quality but when it's silly mistakes it's annoying. Can't do that at this level.

And we never looked like scoring. We're really struggling to finish at the moment, in all competitions and if we don't get that right soon, we're going to continue struggling.

We badly missed Gearóid Morrisey in midfield last night, and Nults in goal. Although, in fairness to Cherrie he made some fantastic saves.

Bring on the draw for the next round, hopefully we get lucky, and remember how to score!

[Ezeikial]

Larnaca are far from the best team ever. They are however highly organised and we're tactically spot on against us. They limited us to very few chances. They didn't create a huge amount themselves, but we're clinical with what they did create. They were also incredibly cynical and frustrating that way. They're a decent side and will give Dundalk a good game.


Larnaca don't feature at this point.

Maybe about this time tomorrow it might be a relevant topic

[micls]

Larnaca don't feature at this point.

Maybe about this time tomorrow it might be a relevant topic

I was replying to a dundalk fans post above about Larnacas quality. While obviously no one should assume ye'll qualify, I think it's reasonable for plenty of your fans to be confident about it after the first leg. I'm sure yeve got a few with flights booked!

[Ezeikial]

I was replying to a dundalk fans post above about Larnacas quality. While obviously no one should assume ye'll qualify, I think it's reasonable for plenty of your fans to be confident about it after the first leg. I'm sure yeve got a few with flights booked!

I'm one of them! I'm definitely going to be in Larnaca's stadium on the 2nd of August. I just hope my team will be there.

I'm sure you understood my point well enough that it did not require you to explain or justify your post - debate on the merits or demerits of AEK Larnaca in 2018 are premature at this point from my perspective

[thebronze14]

Mmmm. I seem to remember Derby County winning 12-0 in Europe before, unlikely to happen again though.
I'd say they'd get close if we were to play again!

[Nesta99]

On last night. Great trip and what an incredible atmosphere to experience. Can only imagine what the place is like on a big night.

Caulfield got the tactics spot on last week, but we left it behind us not being clinical. Also that penalty! That was our chance.

But last night, he got the tactics wrong, particularly after conceding the first. Im not upset we lost to a team like Legia but its very frustrating that we gifted them the goals. Wouldn't mind if they carved us open wihh quality but when it's silly mistakes it's annoying. Can't do that at this level.

And we never looked like scoring. We're really struggling to finish at the moment, in all competitions and if we don't get that right soon, we're going to continue struggling.

We badly missed Gearóid Morrisey in midfield last night, and Nults in goal. Although, in fairness to Cherrie he made some fantastic saves.

Bring on the draw for the next round, hopefully we get lucky, and remember how to score!

I hear you!! :mad: Dundalk and Cork fans with something in common....

[oriel]

For the Legia opening goal, Cherrie definitely was poor but I'd be more looking at the midfield, the Legia guy who crossed was almost walking with the ball, at one stage the closest person to him was the ref!

Morrissey was without doubt a big loss for Cork, he's a player I really rate, snapping at your heels and box to box, I'd go as far as saying he's their best player.

Looking forward to our game tomorrow, I don't for one minute think this is a forgone conclusion but I'd be very disappointed if we don't progress. Those boys played some decent stuff in the first half last week, Dundalk need to get the first goal.

[pineapple stu]

There's a gif of the opener here (https://media.giphy.com/media/2vkOcHEHtrbuDu3stI/giphy-downsized-large.gif) (I might try embed it here as well)

The amount of space the midfielder has is quite incredible.

Edit - embedding not working. Anyone know how to do it?

[geysir]

For the Legia opening goal, Cherrie definitely was poor but I'd be more looking at the midfield, the Legia guy who crossed was almost walking with the ball, at one stage the closest person to him was the ref!

Morrissey was without doubt a big loss for Cork, he's a player I really rate, snapping at your heels and box to box, I'd go as far as saying he's their best player.

Looking forward to our game tomorrow, I don't for one minute think this is a forgone conclusion but I'd be very disappointed if we don't progress. Those boys played some decent stuff in the first half last week, Dundalk need to get the first goal.
In recent seasons, Estonian teams have been performing poorly in Europe. Their league took a month sabbatical before the WC and hadn't resumed by the time european competition commenced. Their league leaders got well beaten by Stjarnan. Imo, Levadia looked just as poor. I suspect Dundalk were just too circumspect in the first half, sucked into the cautious mindset of the away first leg, once they realised Levadia weren't a whole pile, they pushed up in the 2nd half. Unfortunately they only scored one which gives Levadia some hope.

[geysir]

There's a gif of the opener here (https://media.giphy.com/media/2vkOcHEHtrbuDu3stI/giphy-downsized-large.gif) (I might try embed it here as well)

The amount of space the midfielder has is quite incredible.

Edit - embedding not working. Anyone know how to do it?

Are you embedding the gif as an image or as a video?

This is an embedded image, should work.



https://i.giphy.com/media/2vkOcHEHtrbuDu3stI/giphy-downsized-large.gif

[bennocelt]

On last night. Great trip and what an incredible atmosphere to experience. Can only imagine what the place is like on a big night.

Caulfield got the tactics spot on last week, but we left it behind us not being clinical. Also that penalty! That was our chance.


4 goals say you and Caulfield were wrong, eh:rolleyes:

[micls]

4 goals say you and Caulfield were wrong, eh:rolleyes:

Eh, no? I said he got the tactics right last week. We conceded one goal to a wonder strike and created multiple chances which unfortunately we weren't clinical enough to finish.

Despite reservations beforehand, pretty much everyone at the game thought he got the tactics right last week, including media. Last night, not so much.

[PartySaint]

This may have been asked already so apologise if it has but can Cork get Legia again in the EL if Legia lose their next CL game or is there a rule stating you can't play the same opposition until a certain stage?

[Real ale Madrid]

This may have been asked already so apologise if it has but can Cork get Legia again in the EL if Legia lose their next CL game or is there a rule stating you can't play the same opposition until a certain stage?

There does not seem to be any rule, but they normally split the teams into pots so id imagine it would be easy for them to split them up to avoid a repeat pairing.

[PartySaint]

There does not seem to be any rule, but they normally split the teams into pots so id imagine it would be easy for them to split them up to avoid a repeat pairing.

It looks like there'll be 10 seeded and 10 unseeded so they might just do an open draw.

[micls]

It looks like there'll be 10 seeded and 10 unseeded so they might just do an open draw.

The draw is Monday though, so the seeded teams will still be in pairs. Will be quite awkward to avoid all possible match ups. For us, if they fix it so we can't get Legia, they equally have to take care that the team that lost to Legias opponents don't get them either. It's fairly complicated.

[ArFella]

The draw is Monday though, so the seeded teams will still be in pairs. Will be quite awkward to avoid all possible match ups. For us, if they fix it so we can't get Legia, they equally have to take care that the team that lost to Legias opponents don't get them either. It's fairly complicated.

Yeah the 10 losers in the CL are automatically seeded regardless of coefficient and given the draw is done in advance I would think the possibility of drawing the team that knocked you out in a previous round very likely, hopefully won't happen to ye as it would be the height of bad luck but would be interesting to see your approach to the game if it happened again, surely Sadlier would feature more prominently.

[micls]

Yeah the 10 losers in the CL are automatically seeded regardless of coefficient and given the draw is done in advance I would think the possibility of drawing the team that knocked you out in a previous round very likely, hopefully won't happen to ye as it would be the height of bad luck but would be interesting to see your approach to the game if it happened again, surely Sadlier would feature more prominently.

I think even if we drew that tie, it's very unlikely Legia would lose it tbh. I don't imagine it being an issue.

If it did happen, it'd be even a worse draw than the first time! We caught them on the hop a bit in Turners Cross, that wouldn't happen again. They'll have more game behind them world cup players back, new striker bedded in. We'd be fairly screwed I'd imagine. And we wouldn't even get a decent new trip somewhere out of it! Definitely the worst case scenario.

[Philosophizer]

We caught them on the hop a bit in Turners Cross, that wouldn't happen again. They'll have more game behind them world cup players back, new striker bedded in. We'd be fairly screwed I'd imagine. And we wouldn't even get a decent new trip somewhere out of it! Definitely the worst case scenario.

For leagues that take a summer break the extra week of pre-season raining can bring on the continental team quite a bit. It was v noticeable last year when Cork played Genk last year how they were quite a bit sharper in the 2nd leg and Cork couldn't break them down.

[sbgawa]

I hope Rovers go either two up front Greene and Car or 5 across the back with Kavanagh and Boyle bombing on when possible.
We are up against it and they looked good when they committed men forward so I think we will need to score twice to go through....
Belgrade 2018 :)

[pineapple stu]

Early start for the LoI today!

Derry 1-0 up in Minsk after 7 minutes. 2-1 down on aggregate now. Presumably a false dawn, but you never know! Minsk aren't great, as Pat's showed a couple of years back.

[SwanVsDalton]

Derry get an away goal in Minsk after about 7 minutes - Ally Roy the scorer.

[ger121]

Oh my!

[swinfordfc]

Oh my word!!! .... Cmon Derry! ... hopefully they don't go mad now ... settled and keep it tight - see can they nicked another!

[Nailor]

Stream here: http://www.sportingvideo3.com/20180719/vv5b4fae172fa384.55447126-1997658.html

Belarussian commentary

[micls]

Great start, some excitement for the fans anyway!

[Candystripe]

Derry could be 3 up after 20 mins!!!!

[SwanVsDalton]

Strong start, Derry playing well going by the radio commentary. Roy had another shot beaten away by the keeper.

[White Horse]

Hugely impressive stuff from Derry.

After watching Cork on Tuesday, this restores my hope for the league.

[SwanVsDalton]

Minsk equalise, scrappy goal from yet another set piece.

[White Horse]

And, as usual, a LOI side gives away a sh1tty goal.

[micls]

Minsk equalise, scrappy goal from yet another set piece.

Gutting to give those away. But in results terms, ye still needed 2 more. Fingers crossed another goal this half and make for an interesting second half.

[Nailor]

1-1 awful goal to concede, sloppy play to give away a free, then defense nowhere.

[paul_oshea]

Derry could have been 2 or 3 up, instead floppy defending and poor finishing has them at 1-1. Another LOI story of dopey defending.

[paul_oshea]

Hugely impressive stuff from Derry.

After watching Cork on Tuesday, this restores my hope for the league.

Was thinking the exact same, but Cork played decent for 75 mins bar the usual crap of an individual stupid mistake costing them a goal. But cherrie played well 2nd half.

Dundalk the only only who can apply themselves, or the only ones the last few years anyway, 100% of of the time for the whole game.

There is no excuse for this other than perhaps lacking a bit of experience at European level, but most of the teams playing have that now with a few seasons in Europe.

The big one i used play on a few years ago was physicality and stamina, and i used get shot down. I was proven right, most of the teams now match that in Europe. But they lack that concentration for 100% of the the time to cut out those dozey mistakes.

The world cup, and Dundalk in previous seasons have shown that a well organised, concentrated team can compete against individual quality. There's no excuse anymore for LOI teams in Europe making these mistakes.

[nigel-harps1954]

It's been pointed out by Dundalk fans, and I'd tend to agree. It's more down to mentality above anything.

Teams need to go out believing they can get a result, and management need to set them up in such a way that backs that up. Allowing no respect and getting into teams as if they would against Limerick or Bray is the only way you can progress with confidence through Europe. It's how Dundalk done it in their Europa run before and it's the only way teams will do it again.

[Philosophizer]

These days I think it's more a case of mental exhaustion and lapses of concentration as opposed to any physical shortfall. Physically our teams should be as good as the european sides, and by and large they are. But in our domestic league guys probably learn bad habits and mentally get lazy because they're not severely punished whenever they switch off. Whereas in europe you usually cough up a goal-scoring opportunity for any slight lapse in concentration.

That's another thing that made Dundalk's run so impressive 2 tears ago. They really looked (and played) like they belonged.

[Real ale Madrid]

That's another thing that made Dundalk's run so impressive 2 tears ago. They really looked (and played) like they belonged.

The trick is keeping the likes of Horgan / Towell et al that made those runs possible.