Barstool facepalm

[thischarmingman]

First sentence in this is worth a facepalm

http://weplayonfridays.com/liverpool-v-waterford-united-match-report/

If I could thank that more than once, I would.

[BonnieShels]

Ssssshhhhh PS. Don't let the secret out.

[born2bwild]

Went to Dalymount last night. The sight and sound of Irish men, women and children dressed in blue cheering for 'their' team was pathetic.

I'm sure many of those present had actual links to the city of Liverpool and one Shams fan I know went wearing an Everton shirt for his own 'reasons' but as for the rest?

Pathetic.

Standing there in the rain, an army of lost souls, loyal to a club that they cannot, because of geography, actually support, I wonder what they saw when Anto Flood buried Tim Howard to make it 1-1? Many of them probably blanked it out, pretended it didn't happen.

Then again, maybe some of them will start going to LoI matches?

[BonnieShels]

Did it end 1-1?

[born2bwild]

yup 1-1

[BonnieShels]

Surprised at the lack of comment on here last night.

[horton]

Went to Dalymount last night. The sight and sound of Irish men, women and children dressed in blue cheering for 'their' team was pathetic.

I'm sure many of those present had actual links to the city of Liverpool and one Shams fan I know went wearing an Everton shirt for his own 'reasons' but as for the rest?

Pathetic.

Standing there in the rain, an army of lost souls, loyal to a club that they cannot, because of geography, actually support, I wonder what they saw when Anto Flood buried Tim Howard to make it 1-1? Many of them probably blanked it out, pretended it didn't happen.

Then again, maybe some of them will start going to LoI matches?

Would there have been roughly an equal number of those wearing Everton rigs as wearing Bohs? Not surprising really considering how many went to the Ireland match with their Man Utd colours on.

[born2bwild]

Didn't count but there was a lot of blue - we sat up where the noisier Boh - es lads usually sit in the Jodi and it was about 60-40 home crowd. Further down the Jodi, were it not for the Dublin accents, you could have been in Liverpool. (I hear Goodison Park is not in very good shape these days either) Ironically there was a good few Bohs fans over behind the school end goal - planting landmines no doubt for the next Shams visit.

[SkStu]

a couple of scouse lads chucked out for racist chanting against our ball boy last night according to some posts on our message board. I have often confused a scouse accent with a tallaght accent... but then i remembered there is no direct bus from Tallaght to Dalymount so they must have been toffees... ;)

In all seriousness, a good result and, according to those who were there, we played really nice ball. Hopefully that will attract some of the lost souls to a game or two in the future. Yeah right.

It didnt sell out by the way.

[Straightstory]

I really wouldn't mind these people so much if they used the same criteria for supporting national sides and club sides.
Presumed reasons for supporting their national side (Ireland): it's a team which represents their home, their community, the place where they live.
Presumed reasons for supporting their club side (Everton, Man U., Liverpool etc.): an imagined, invented identification with currently or once successful teams who play in a glamorous (if widely over-hyped) League. Put simply - they support these clubs because they're BIG, largely successful clubs - and they can occasionally watch on television.
Two different criteria at work here. Logically the national team they support should be Brazil, Germany, etc. (or, most obviously, England). I really wish they would - they'd be a lot less hypocritical.

[nigel-harps1954]

I think this is the right thread for this. Here's a cracking report by the Guardian in England about supporting your own club and how growing a fan owned club is more rewarding than a business type profiteering club.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/video/2011/aug/30/fan-owned-football-clubs-chester-fc-video

[MagicMon]

Why are RTE doing transfer window live updates? It's just embarrassing because 99% of it is just copied from somewhere else. Sky and BBC have reporters and contacts all over England, the best RTE can manage is the Enda Stevens deal (days late) and a few of Man Utd and Liverpool "fans" slagging each other.

[MagicMon]

Sorry, that should read "(days late and from the wrong club)"

[Mr Maroon]

Sorry, that should read "(days late and from the wrong club)"

I just saw that as well.

They only gave it a "rumour rating" of 2.5/10 too. :confused:

[SwanVsDalton]

I just saw that as well.

They only gave it a "rumour rating" of 2.5/10 too. :confused:

It's so wrong, it's right. The chances of UCD player Enda Stevens signing for Villa are pretty minimal.

RTE guy put in his place fairly sharpish, at least he had the guts to publish this:

@Albertwhite (via twitter): "Enda Stevens plays for @ShamrockRovers not UCD. Stop showing your ignorance #rtetransferday".

[BonnieShels]

Some lad in the canteen complained that all the Rovers fans are coming out of the woodwork. This from a Spurs fan.

[bluemovie]

I've just discovered a whole new form of barstool facepalm. I give you the "bos aghaidhe stól tábhairne". For reasons I won't go into, I happened upon a copy of Foinse (Irish language paper free with the Indo) on Wednesday. They had a page on football - two articles on the Ireland matches and a column on everybody's favourite Irish club..........Celtic.

Basically, it was this guy Cian ó Raghallaigh bemoaning Celtic's losses to St Johnstone and Sion. He actually goes as far as to call the Sion defeat "a sporting disaster". The seriousness of the situation is emphasised by saying Michel Platini is very disappointed with the performance of Scottish clubs. In the middle of this guff about Motherwell's ability to challenge the Old Firm and Sion using unregistered players, the biggest story in Irish sport gets a mention - "When Shamrock Rovers qualified for the group stages during the week, they got about €1 million. So Celtic had a bad night when the Swiss beat them 3-1". That's it. One of the greatest achievements in Irish football history is given a brief airing only as a touchstone for how expensive some British team's failure would have been (had the Swiss not been found cheating).

It seems the cultural nationalists are willing to embrace "foreign games" so long as they're played by foreign teams preferably with some vague Irish connection (though not actually Irish as that could upset the GAA). This paper is mainly aimed at Leaving Cert pupils so it just goes to show how all-pervasive the indoctrination into barstooling is in this country.

And just as I was about to fling it in the recycling, I saw the footnote "Cian's column about the English Premiership will be back next week". Phew!! They only deviated from the regular schedule to discuss this most newsworthy event about a Swiss team beating a Scottish team. Normal service will be resumed as soon as possible.

[Charlie Darwin]

If that's Ciaran O'Raghallaigh then he writes for the Mirror. Took no interest in Irish soccer until last week.

And unfortunately for Foinse, Celtic are back in so not such a sporting disaster after all! Just a cultural one.

[outspoken]

Jersey day in school the other day out of around 700 students I was the only one with a LOI jersey on while I only saw a few Ireland jerseys the rest where United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Madrid and everyones new favorite Barcelona.

[Dave_SRFC]

Jersey day in school the other day out of around 700 students I was the only one with a LOI jersey on while I only saw a few Ireland jerseys the rest where United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Madrid and everyones new favorite Barcelona.

What no Rovers bar stoolers?

[Guinney]

Irish spend €145m on visits to Premier League making a 164,000 visits. But in 2008 there was 267,000 Irish fans who attended a match in the UK. Thats 102,000 less visits, doubt many went these to LOI matches instead.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/travel/2011/0903/1224303401548.html

[pineapple stu]

An average spend of a grand a game?!?! Are these lads morons or what?

[born2bwild]

An average spend of a grand a game?!?! Are these lads morons or what?
I work with a bloke who goes to Arsenal matches once or twice a season.

He's a decent enough chap but he spends serious bucks on these trips and spends a week either side of them in work singing that mongrolitic, spasticated 'And it's AW sen u-ul, Awsenu-ul fc, aw by faw the best team the world has evah seen' chant in a Cockney accent. (He's from West Dublin).

It's the stupid accent that puzzles me the most.

[pineapple stu]

he spends serious bucks on these trips
On what though? I know they're expensive enough - you'd see stupid prices in the papers from the travel agencies - but nothing like a grand on average. (Obviously the agents' prices wouldn't include spending money). They'd probably be the first to say the LoI is too expensive at E15 a ticket too.

I might spend a grand on an Ireland away game if I pushed it - but you're talking about flying much further away than England and staying for maybe five days.

[born2bwild]

On what though? I know they're expensive enough - you'd see stupid prices in the papers from the travel agencies - but nothing like a grand on average. (Obviously the agents' prices wouldn't include spending money). They'd probably be the first to say the LoI is too expensive at E15 a ticket too.

I might spend a grand on an Ireland away game if I pushed it - but you're talking about flying much further away than England and staying for maybe five days.

Transport to/from airport; flight; to/from Stadium etc ...250 eu
1 night's accomodation ...100eu
Match ticket???... 50 eu
Beer/food/hookers 200 eu?

600 euros, I'm guessing.

Even on a day trip it'd be 400 or so.

Why would any sane man or woman do such a thing???

[Poor Student]

It's the stupid accent that puzzles me the most.

But you get that at League of Ireland games, chants are lifted from England not just word for word but syllable by syllable.

[born2bwild]

But you get that at League of Ireland games, chants are lifted from England not just word for word but syllable by syllable.
Yeah my brother said he heard Bohs fans chanting in English accents. Never heard it myself.

[pineapple stu]

Transport to/from airport; flight; to/from Stadium etc ...250 eu
1 night's accomodation ...100eu
Match ticket???... 50 eu
Beer/food/hookers 200 eu?

600 euros, I'm guessing.

Even on a day trip it'd be 400 or so.

Why would any sane man or woman do such a thing???
And this, it seems, is only about 70% of what the average trip comprises. Add in a second night's accommodation and you're still not even there.

I've been to a couple of Premiership games (two, to be precise) and spent about £200 (at the time) tops. So have you people at the other end spending E1,500 a trip? Or maybe the article is wrong.

[Charlie Darwin]

Not football-specific, but nice little line in Charlie Brooker's column today:


Maybe I could plug the gap by forcing myself to get into a sport of some kind. Oh, and obviously it'll have to be something that's televised. I'm not physically moving further than my sofa.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/sep/04/charlie-brooker-passion-for-sport

[MagicMon]

And this, it seems, is only about 70% of what the average trip comprises. Add in a second night's accommodation and you're still not even there.

I've been to a couple of Premiership games (two, to be precise) and spent about £200 (at the time) tops. So have you people at the other end spending E1,500 a trip? Or maybe the article is wrong.

JP McMannus, John Magnier and the Drumaville lads pushed the average spend up a bit I suppose

[bullit]

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056378143

[PartySaint]

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056378143

I love the attitude of 'Well China do it so it's ok'

This guy was my favourite (admittedly I didn't get much further than this so there could be better ones)


Yep, I'm a Chelsea fan through and through. Influence of a cousin got me into them, and I've just loved em since I was 6. Don't know why, particularly, but probably the high exposure of the English Premier League over here, wanting to belong to what was once a small and select group of football fans.

I love my little trips over to London (and beyond sometimes!) to see Chelsea playing. Either on my own, or with friends, you can always be guaranteed to have a bit of craic going over to the games. I love the whole atmosphere over there, and it's even better at away games. When you're in the minority, when it's us against them, hedged into a small area into the worst stand in the opponent's stadium... the roar of the crowd, the urging on of the players, the passion, the highs, the lows, the glory, the pain... it's all there. and it's just absolutely enthralling and addictive.

[BonnieShels]

Lasted to the end if the second page.

The justification of playing good football keeps coming up.

My argument against that is one word, Bundesliga. That's good football from a competitive entertaining league with great players.

When I've queried why they don't support the Bundesliga in that case they clam up!

I've given up on the Barstooler. It's like arguing with a small deaf child.

[Straightstory]

I've just discovered a whole new form of barstool facepalm. I give you the "bos aghaidhe stól tábhairne". For reasons I won't go into, I happened upon a copy of Foinse (Irish language paper free with the Indo) on Wednesday. They had a page on football - two articles on the Ireland matches and a column on everybody's favourite Irish club..........Celtic.

Basically, it was this guy Cian ó Raghallaigh bemoaning Celtic's losses to St Johnstone and Sion. He actually goes as far as to call the Sion defeat "a sporting disaster". The seriousness of the situation is emphasised by saying Michel Platini is very disappointed with the performance of Scottish clubs. In the middle of this guff about Motherwell's ability to challenge the Old Firm and Sion using unregistered players, the biggest story in Irish sport gets a mention - "When Shamrock Rovers qualified for the group stages during the week, they got about €1 million. So Celtic had a bad night when the Swiss beat them 3-1". That's it. One of the greatest achievements in Irish football history is given a brief airing only as a touchstone for how expensive some British team's failure would have been (had the Swiss not been found cheating).

It seems the cultural nationalists are willing to embrace "foreign games" so long as they're played by foreign teams preferably with some vague Irish connection (though not actually Irish as that could upset the GAA). This paper is mainly aimed at Leaving Cert pupils so it just goes to show how all-pervasive the indoctrination into barstooling is in this country.

And just as I was about to fling it in the recycling, I saw the footnote "Cian's column about the English Premiership will be back next week". Phew!! They only deviated from the regular schedule to discuss this most newsworthy event about a Swiss team beating a Scottish team. Normal service will be resumed as soon as possible.

Fabulous post. Says it all, really.

[Rasputin]

But you get that at League of Ireland games, chants are lifted from England not just word for word but syllable by syllable.
Never heard LOI fans singing in English accents.
What English regional accent is most commonly used out of interest?

[BonnieShels]

East end London I find.

[John83]

Never heard LOI fans singing in English accents.
'Oo arh yah? 'Oo arh yah? 'Oo arh yah?

[freewheel30]

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056378143

The way some of them are talking a League of Ireland club would probably actually have to win a European trophy before they'd consider paying the league some attention.

[bluemovie]

I've been to a couple of Premiership games (two, to be precise) and spent about £200 (at the time) tops. So have you people at the other end spending E1,500 a trip? Or maybe the article is wrong.

Yeah, Anglo Irish Bank clients.

[Guinney]

Originally Posted by jive
God I hate this argument. Every other week some gob shíte on here thinks he's copped something genius and that all these lads supporting English teams are hypocrites. Let my rant begin

To kick things off, not all people who support English teams 'hate' England. The quality of football is much better in the premiership and thus makes it more entertaining to watch for the majority of people. I think everyone supports their local team to some extent but to be honest I don't want to pay to stand in the ****ing rain in crap stadiums in the middle of an Irish winter.

The premiership is televised every weekend and matches that aren't televised can be found online. Not only that but Match of the Day is on every Saturday and Sunday night not to mention that Sky Sports News covers the premiership every day of the week. Do you get that level of coverage for any Irish teams? No and for a large number of reasons you never will. Premiership teams also get to play against other European teams in various cup competitions. The fact that you can get all these matches online means you don't even have to have a TV to follow English teams (or you can go down to the pub if you support one of the bigger teams). It actually works out cheaper to follow an English team than an Irish one.

TL;DR
English teams get more coverage, better coverage, more matches, play against other European teams, can be watched online, better standard of football and it's cheaper.

The new age barstooler. Why go to LOI games when you can just watch them online. Also does he not realise we play summer football now.

The problem with alot of these barstoolers is that they forgot or never knew what it actually means to support a team. They are scared of the rain and to stingy to put their hands in there pockets and pay into a match. For them supporting their team can take place in a bar, in front of their plaza TV or via online streams. Okay fair enough the facilities in the league are for the most part not great, but I'd much prefer standing in Oriel or any other LOI ground than sitting on my ass watching football through a screen.

[Charlie Darwin]

How can it be cheaper to go the pub twice a week to watch Manchester United than to go to one LOI home game every week or two? Unless you only drink tap water. Even a home Sky Sports subscription costs the same as a couple of tickets to a match.

[gustavo]

Never heard LOI fans singing in English accents.
What English regional accent is most commonly used out of interest?

I've heard people sing "Red Army" with an English accent

[nigel-harps1954]

I had great craic reading that thread. Got through about 5 pages of it. The arguments those lads were putting up in favour of supporting english teams were hilarious and what was even funnier, their reasons for not supporting LOI.
Every time one of those threads pops up I think they get funnier.

[ger121]

I rarely read other non LOI forums, plus in my job, there is a healthy LOI interest, so I tend not to have to listen to or read a lot of barstooler crap.. You'll always have idiots in all walks of life, the best thing to do if possible is to ignore them!

[El-Pietro]

An average spend of a grand a game?!?! Are these lads morons or what?
id go over to see Charlton once or maybe twice a year at a stretch - flights usually come to around 100-150 or so, getting across london is cheap enough, lets say a tenner. match tickets are never more then 20 pounds. never usually even close to that to be honest. I'd stay somewhere for less than 50 a night.

high end estimate would bring that to a total of £230 and thats really pushing it don't think im spending anywhere near 800 on food drink and merchandise

[Charlie Darwin]

I'd say a lot of the cost comes from corporate packages though. I'd say at least half of it solely down to John O'Donoghue.

[mypost]

Our European success has them rattled. Every time a LOI team gets some decent public media attention, they're on the defensive when having to explain why they don't support a team here. Celtic barstoolers won't be happy to have to share their UEFA Cup coverage with us. Spurs barstoolers will be very angry that 4 of their 6 games won't be covered in-depth by TV3. the Dublin Stoke's, Fulham's and Brummies will be disgusted that they will get piecemeal coverage. For once, they will be upstaged by a LOI side, and they won't like it one little bit.

[born2bwild]

I rarely read other non LOI forums, plus in my job, there is a healthy LOI interest, so I tend not to have to listen to or read a lot of barstooler crap.. You'll always have idiots in all walks of life, the best thing to do if possible is to ignore them!
Any jobs going? I work in GAA heaven.

[PartySaint]

Lasted to the end if the second page.

The justification of playing good football keeps coming up.

My argument against that is one word, Bundesliga. That's good football from a competitive entertaining league with great players.

When I've queried why they don't support the Bundesliga in that case they clam up!

I've given up on the Barstooler. It's like arguing with a small deaf child.

I've come up against this before and have come to a great soultion, Next time it happens use this

Barstooler: LOI is ****e, Crap standard of football why would I go watch that?

LOI Fan: Who do you support?

Barstooler: United/Liverpool/Arsenal etc..

LOI Fan: So in comparison to England what level do you think LOI is at?

Barstooler: It's about the same as the conference

LOI Fan: So if United/Liverpool/Arsenal etc.. got relegated to the conference you would stop supporting them then yeah??

Barstooler: eh em urgh....

[BonnieShels]

I've come up against this before and have come to a great soultion, Next time it happens use this

Barstooler: LOI is ****e, Crap standard of football why would I go watch that?

LOI Fan: Who do you support?

Barstooler: United/Liverpool/Arsenal etc..

LOI Fan: So in comparison to England what level do you think LOI is at?

Barstooler: It's about the same as the conference

LOI Fan: So if United/Liverpool/Arsenal etc.. got relegated to the conference you would stop supporting them then yeah??

Barstooler: eh em urgh....

Good angle.