The Steve Staunton Discussion thread

[danonion]

Put it this way, if I thought he was an average reader of the game I would not be a great fan of his. I think he's a fantastic reader of the game for his age, MUCH better than Dunne was at 21. He's a natural. Not only do I think he'll have a career in the premiership but he'll be a top 10 premiership centre half by his peak. I honestly believe that (Dunne already is imo). It's possible to measure everything about a player except the football brain. You think he has an average one, I think he has an excellent one. It'll be interesting to see how his career goes. :)

As far as McShane the right back goes, I think he's rubbish.

I generally agree with your player scouting, but I just have a feeling that general consensus being so good for McShane is related to how bad our centre backs are now (bar Dunne, objectively - he's excellent).

I genuinely thought McShane was excellent during this campaign when I saw the matches. But when I watched them again, and slowed the video down during the parts where Ireland were under pressure and conceded goals, I felt that McShane made some poor decisions that I didn't realize at first.

[Ordinary Fan]

Bad (only)
Taking the job as manager.

Not quitting as manager.

[an_ceannaire]

Mate tells me is 500,000 a year????
Is that sterling??!!!!!:mad:

[ifk101]

Sterling?

AFAIK it's 400,000 (euros) a year.

[lionelhutz]

I was going mad in the stands see Given being held back (not literally of course) by Stan but on hindsight I can understand it. Even if we had beaten Germany we still wouldn't have a chance of geting through. Losing would have been disastrous if we are to finish in third place.
So I'm (kind of) with Stan on this. Now there's a first :)

Firstly, finishing third or fourth doesnt make any difference to our seedings for the next campaign - we're gonna be third seeds no matter what now, would that be correct?

Secondly, regardless of whether finishing in third mattered, we did still have an outside chance of qualifying if we won. The Germans to beat the Czechs and Slovakia and Cyprus to get a point off them isn't that far fetched.

[elroy]

I understood it to be in the region of €250k - €300k. He was cheap as chips as international 'managers' go, hence another reason why delaney is a big supporter of him.

[an_ceannaire]

Newstalks resident "genius" Ken Earley insists he in one of the top 10 paid International Managers in the world and the FAI wont sack him cos they cant afford to!?:confused:

[Aldini98]

Yeah and theres a guy down the chip shop swears hes Elvis an ceannaire but that doesn't make it true.

I can see this thread getting binned like your others....

[Rebel11]

I understood he was on €450,000 that what the majority of the press have said that is about €399,999 too much if you ask me.

[citizenerased]

He probably is one of the best paid, if you think about it, i know the czech coach Bruckner is only on 100,000 euros, Leouw the german coach is only on about 700,000euros..not many football associations can afford top dollar for coaches so id say he is in the top 10 earners..

[Stuttgart88]

Add the 250k that Robson is getting and there's a salary package that'd attract a lot of good coaches.

I'd prefer to see a cut in the salary but offering a very high qualification-related bonus, e.g., a million to qualify, 350k for going out in the play-offs, or 100k for every point gained over, say 18.

It's how performance is rewarded in industry so why not in sport?

[cavan_fan]

:mad:When asked by reporters why Given and fullbacks didn't go forward in injury time, despite an apparent willingness on their part to do so,Stan accepted responsibility saying"obviously we wanted to win it, but I didn't want to risk losing either".....AAAAGGGHHHH 2 mins into injury time in a game we had to win.YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING!:mad:

There is logic to this from his point of view. A win would have been nice but was unlikely to see us qualify. A draw could be protrayed as a 'good' result whereas a defeat would have increased pressure on him. So he obviously didnt see this as a must win.

I was watching the game on Sky and Ronnie Whelan made an (unintentionally) interesting remark. He said he ahd been speaking to Stan (at a golf day of course) and had found him very relaxed. He claimed Stan had said that he wasn't concerned about this campaign his focus was all on 2010.

On the basis then that he's going to be here for another 2 years and that presumably another failed campaign would be the end of him can I suggest that the money the FAI save on Bobby's salary should be spent on getting Stan's replacement into the team. If Stan goes we can assume the FAI will revert to type and hire some former player (e.g. Kenny Cunningham, Kevin Kilbane). If they are going to do that can they make him Stan's assistant now. I don't think anyone sees Kevin McDonald as the next Ireland manager, do they?

[Jerry The Saint]

There is logic to this from his point of view. A win would have been nice but was unlikely to see us qualify. A draw could be protrayed as a 'good' result whereas a defeat would have increased pressure on him. So he obviously didnt see this as a must win.



Exactly. They touched on this on Newstalk saying that there was one Irish person who didn't see this as a must-win - Staunton. They should have added Delaney too, of course.

The spin is definitely being pushed that 3rd place in the group (fighting for places with Wales, Slovakia and Cyprus) is an improvement on 4th place last time (France, Switzerland, Israel as rivals). Staunton and Delaney's main concern is to meet this target.

Also the restructuring of the qualification system to allow us to be placed as higher seeds with a similar ranking will be presented as a great achievement by Stan.

[Kingdom]

I feel sorry for the older guys on the team, the likes of Given, Kilbane, Finnan, Carsley who probably won't be around in WC2010 finals, if we were to qualify. They are the ones who have had to listen to this campaign being written off from the start, to concentrate on the campaign after.
And what of the next campaign? If we get another shyte campaign with Staunton in charge, will he be given more time? I just don't see the next campaign getting better, and what will the FAI reaction be then to 4 yrs down the drain? Effectively the peak years of some very-good players are being wasted.

[Kingdom]

Exactly. They touched on this on Newstalk saying that there was one Irish person who didn't see this as a must-win - Staunton. They should have added Delaney too, of course.



I'd been wondering about this. Was Staunton assured by Delaney that a draw, however poor, would be acceptable?

[Noelys Guitar]

Add the 250k that Robson is getting and there's a salary package that'd attract a lot of good coaches.

I'd prefer to see a cut in the salary but offering a very high qualification-related bonus, e.g., a million to qualify, 350k for going out in the play-offs, or 100k for every point gained over, say 18.

It's how performance is rewarded in industry so why not in sport?

We need a visonary like Tony o'Neill and instead have John Delaney. O'Neill tried to get one of the then best managers in Europe Bob paisley to manage Ireland in 1985. We ended up with Charlton (which turned out well)because the decision was not O'Neills alone. But I know for a fact that Paisley was his choice for manager and he only wanted the best for Ireland. And the package being offered was something like you suggest Stuttgart.

[Wolfie]

We need a visonary like Tony o'Neill and instead have John Delaney. O'Neill tried to get one of the then best managers in Europe Bob paisley to manage Ireland in 1985. We ended up with Charlton (which turned out well)because the decision was not O'Neills alone. But I know for a fact that Paisley was his choice for manager and he only wanted the best for Ireland. And the package being offered was something like you suggest Stuttgart.

Absolutely - why the hell not approach some high profile, tried and trusted Managers. Most will say "No" - but it only takes one to say yes.

[Stuttgart88]

I think Paul Jewell is a credible option. He clearly dislikes the stress of club management.

[Ireland4ever]

I don't agree with booing the team or protesting in any way that would disillusion them any more than they are.

No-one was booing the Irish team, it was Stan who the booing was for.

[Kingdom]

I think Paul Jewell is a credible option. He clearly dislikes the stress of club management.

definitely agree on that score. Can drag the best out of limited players (i'm not saying thats what we have), and does come across well. Doesn't seem to have an attitude of taking any shyte either.

[Ireland4ever]

I feel sorry for the older guys on the team, the likes of Given, Kilbane, Finnan, Carsley who probably won't be around in WC2010 finals, if we were to qualify. They are the ones who have had to listen to this campaign being written off from the start, to concentrate on the campaign after.
And what of the next campaign? If we get another shyte campaign with Staunton in charge, will he be given more time? I just don't see the next campaign getting better, and what will the FAI reaction be then to 4 yrs down the drain? Effectively the peak years of some very-good players are being wasted.

Great point, puts stan '4 year plan' into perspective. Why the FOOCK should the older players bother their arses turning up when Stan writes off the chances of us qualifying prior to the campaign starting. This could be their last campaign and they have to listn/put up with Stans shiite. :mad:

[lionelhutz]

I feel sorry for the older guys on the team, the likes of Given, Kilbane, Finnan, Carsley who probably won't be around in WC2010 finals, if we were to qualify. They are the ones who have had to listen to this campaign being written off from the start, to concentrate on the campaign after.
And what of the next campaign? If we get another shyte campaign with Staunton in charge, will he be given more time? I just don't see the next campaign getting better, and what will the FAI reaction be then to 4 yrs down the drain? Effectively the peak years of some very-good players are being wasted.

I agree with your point but I'd say Given and Finnan will definitely still be around for the next campaign.

Although I wouldn't blame them if they were thinking what the hells the point in playing anymore for a mickey mouse manager

[citizenerased]

rinky dink manager......

[Noelys Guitar]

Position untenable.

[Paddy Garcia]

We were saying that a year ago.

[CollegeTillIDie]

Yes this august message board was saying that very thing. If anyone wants to know when we began not qualifying for Euro 2008 it was when the fourth goal went in at the Cyprus away game .

[Colie]

am i missing something here? what have they ever done in international football? this is foot.ie not curling.ieBest response I've ever seen on foot.ie love it JByrne. Brilliant.

Oh & boo-boys go home....

[G-Man]

An idea I thought of, and something I know has been done in sporting circles, is how about drafting a letter and everyone printing off their own copy and signing it and sending it into the FAI office. You have these stupid online polls which no one pays any attention to, but at least if they were getting 10-20 letters a day consistently surely they'd get the idea as they have to open them and physically see it, whereas its easy to ignore petitions.

Any thoughts?

[Scram]

Where did this thread go? Because 54,000 who boo'ed and 16,000 who sateyd away can't be wrong!

[Sligo Hornet]

An idea I thought of, and something I know has been done in sporting circles, is how about drafting a letter and everyone printing off their own copy and signing it and sending it into the FAI office. You have these stupid online polls which no one pays any attention to, but at least if they were getting 10-20 letters a day consistently surely they'd get the idea as they have to open them and physically see it, whereas its easy to ignore petitions.

Any thoughts?

I think this is a pretty good idea, and would carry more weight (literally) than booing,polling and marching to Merrion Square!:)

ps My brother works for the Postal service, so he will be very plaesed!;)

[Dotsy]

Excellent idea. If we could get one of the papers to run with the idea and print the wording it would be great.

[an_ceannaire]

in the end..........i just felt sorry for him :(
(and very fookin annoyed at our so called captain) :mad:

[an_ceannaire]

Its not Stan they were booing if you ask me, so much as it was Delaney and Robbie Keane. RK was a bloody disgrace and his post match comments....well he can just fock right off.

[Noelys Guitar]

No sympathy here. 400,000 plus a year for dross. And still necking it out.

[G-Man]

Excellent idea. If we could get one of the papers to run with the idea and print the wording it would be great.


it was something I was involved in in a sporting team before, and we sent it to local media and they all printed it. But it would have to be done in advance and have letters going in at the same time it would appear in the media, otherwise the 'suprise factor' element gets lost.

[paul_oshea]

I thought we were on about Motley Crue for a minute, ye got my hopes up.

Ye know I felt sorry for him too, Kerr and Mccarthy always made excuses about injuries and suspensions and all these other things, he has never had a full complement and just got on with it and said how we had a good bench, yesterday he came straight out with it and said the players didnt do enough. He didnt cut any corners in saying so, just brutal honesty. I really do feel for him, I think that delaney got it half right, should have done something like the germans with low and bierhoff, get stan in as a motivator etc, get someone else in as a tactician. That would have been the correct solution at the time, but instead they have ballsed it up big style, yet again.

[an_ceannaire]

100+ caps deserves respect and sympathy. I have no doubt he is doing his best, trying his hardest and this hurts him more than all in here put together. But I also have no doubt he is not up to it, is a proud man and should walk away. I still respect the man, I still see him as an Irish Legend, but for Gods sakes Stan, for all our sakes, not least your own, leave. Leave now. And take our best wishes.
Please.
(Robbie Keane, I'd hit a barn door with your head)

[G-Man]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Delaney_%28football_administrator%29

John Delaneys Wikipedia page before it gets locked:

John Delaney is the Chief Executive of the Football Association of Ireland (FAI). Mr Delaney was one of the three men responsible for appointing of Steve Staunton as a replacement to Brian Kerr as manager of the Republic of Ireland National Football team. Along with Staunton, he hired Bobby Robson as Staunton's International consultant as part of what Mr Delaney called a "world class management team". He is widely considered the worst Chief Executive of Irish History

That goal last night better not keep him in the job.

Delaney, you are a joke.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Delaney_%28football_administrator%29"

[Bluechip]

I heard 2 guys got kicked out of Croker last night for having a Delaney Out banner. Stewards came up took banner and bye bye.

So much for free speech.

[paul_oshea]

im up for it. good idea.

who is going to word this letter, but if its delaney we want gone more so, he will just come out to the media and say the fans all sent me a christmas card wishing me all the best for the new year and hope that the new year will be as much success as this year has been.

[G-Man]

im up for it. good idea.

who is going to word this letter, but if its delaney we want gone more so, he will just come out to the media and say the fans all sent me a christmas card wishing me all the best for the new year and hope that the new year will be as much success as this year has been.

I'm sure one of the more senior people in here would be well able to articulate something which would get a civil wording to a letter which shows our unhappiness with the whole situation without getting derogatory or slagging personal insults. It'd be good to send it to newspapers and see if they'd print it too.

[paul_oshea]

is that hearsay or true?! f sake, some English guy said to me yesterday during the Russia game "can they really do that?" "can they really run an organisation in these days like that?" in relation to some of the things delaney has done in the past.

[Ash]

I heard 2 guys got kicked out of Croker last night for having a Delaney Out banner. Stewards came up took banner and bye bye.

So much for free speech.

Heard that at the end of the NewsTalk show after the game.
2 lads ejected from the stadium

[Noelys Guitar]

Not surprised. Look at the FAI website FFS. Its like Pravda of old.

[Billsthoughts]

Dunphy called for Staunton to go today in the paper. Leaving aside his love of hyperbole does anyone agree?
I think we should cut our losses and get rid of him and put in a manager with a bit of a gameplan and a bit of experience. We were a joke last night and its shameful that any team can come to lansdowne road and hammer us 4 nil without breaking a sweat regardless of injuries. We didnt look like we had a clue what we were doing. I think we will be throwing away a qualifying campaign and I cant see how he will be any better a manger at the end of it from suffering continued hidings like last night. without descending into personal attacks what does anyone else think?


ah......plus ca change.....

[Dodge]

BTW if things read a bit weird its because I merged loads of threads....

[Pauro 76]

Its not Stan they were booing if you ask me, so much as it was Delaney and Robbie Keane. RK was a bloody disgrace and his post match comments....well he can just fock right off.

Sound was down on the post-match comments, what did Robbie say?

[an_ceannaire]

Robbie blamed the fans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

[Noelys Guitar]

ah......plus ca change.....


John Giles resigned after the first qualifying game for WC 82. It was against Cyprus away and we won 3-2. Giles felt he had taken the team as far as he could. And honorably resigned in MO. OK obviously not his first competitive game in charge. But here we are again going to Cyprus and it all feels eerily similar. The result will be crucial. Anyone thinking ahead to the Czech game please stop now. As this Cyprus game is no forgone conclusion. And I for one do not believe Stan will resign even if we don't win. What will the FAI do then? Fire Stan and pay off a 4 year contract? Don't think so. Are they even thinking about this possibility? I doubt it. They should be.

ah.....plu ca change 2

[Stuttgart88]

The TV showed Bertie & Delaney together at the game last night.

In any other first world country neither would be allowed to stay in his job.