The Steve Staunton Discussion thread [Archive] - Page 13

macdermesser

13/09/2007, 1:07 PM

�Despite their result last night, people now look on France as a footballing power and nobody refers to the wilderness years of French football when, after winning the European Championships in 1984 and finishing fourth in the 1982 World Cup and third in the 1986 World Cup, they failed to qualify for Euro �88, Italia �90, and US �94. They did qualify for Euro �92 but failed to win a game in the group stages."

They would have qualified for 1994, but for Ginola's lapse .. and a last minute Bulgaria goal .. who then performed pretty well in the US

anyway .. its a red-herring if i ever saw one .. do they think we are eejits?
What do players like Keane, Finnan, Given and Duff think? Do they realise that they will probably now never play at a European Championships? Because we are building for the future bollllox. Did not see an Irish team in the U/20 World Cup finals .. did see a very good Czech team though

Reid and Hunt should have started both games .. as most people on here suggested .. and it would have been 3 points and possibly 4 in the bag.

Ozymandias

13/09/2007, 1:07 PM

one defeat in 10..fair enough....also 4 pts from a possible 15 on the road in this campaign..... a road that included cyprus and san marino...i say it again...4pts

shakermaker1982

13/09/2007, 1:09 PM

FAI statement, we believe in Stan.

http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2407

we're f***ed. :D

Scruttox

13/09/2007, 1:17 PM

FAI says were going through a "Transition" period...

Failure to qualify for Switz/Austria will see us in pot 4 for WC qualifiers in Nov draw.

So we could get for example: Italy / Spain / Belgium etc...

Were on a slippery slope here.... could be "Transitioning" for a while.:(

cavan_fan

13/09/2007, 1:23 PM

FAI says were going through a "Transition" period...

Failure to qualify for Switz/Austria will see us in pot 4 for WC qualifiers in Nov draw.
:(

No itwon't. It's very likely we will be in Pot 3 again.

Scruttox

13/09/2007, 1:45 PM

No itwon't. It's very likely we will be in Pot 3 again.

Hope it is, but either way were gonna have to face 2 big guns in WC qualifiers and a possibllity of playing the 2008 Euro winner?

Funny feeling were gonna be involved in an Ireland v Middle East type play off again.

And Fcuked if im goning to Baghdad.

drinkfeckarse

13/09/2007, 2:48 PM

I'm never really that bothered about what Pot we are in tbh. I mean if for example we did well over the next couple of years and got to Pot 2, all it would mean is that we've displaced another decent, or what we would perceive to be decent football team like e.g Spain which means they then would go into Pot 3.

You still have to beat whoever is put before you and where you are "ranked" will have no baring on where you finish up.

Ozymandias

13/09/2007, 2:51 PM

geysir

13/09/2007, 3:05 PM

Except of course when we are in Pot 1
then we get gunned solid

Stuttgart88

13/09/2007, 3:08 PM

God, to be able to go back in time and start again....

geysir

13/09/2007, 3:25 PM

Wasn�t there some joke about that guy with the "gun" pointed at Stan was from the future, sent to stop the madness.

Ozymandias

13/09/2007, 3:32 PM

Wasn�t there some joke about that guy with the "gun" pointed at Stan was from the future, sent to stop the madness.

brilliant

theworm2345

13/09/2007, 3:43 PM

like an internet petition is going to work
Do you have any ideas?

geysir

13/09/2007, 3:49 PM

I think many of us right now are in the Stan zone when it comes to ideas.

ofjames

13/09/2007, 4:00 PM

Stumbled across this today. I think it gives a fair indication of the general feeling of the Irish soccer public towards Stan.

I particularly like his introduction.... "He is currently the worst Republic of Ireland manager to have ever held the position", and the paragraph entitled "the destruction of an international football team".

Get the message Stan, step aside.

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Staunton

Stuttgart88

13/09/2007, 4:06 PM

Whatever people's criticisms are I hate this type of cheap insult. That's why I enjoyed RTE's dissection last night. It wasn't an attack on the man it was a criticism of his ability to do a very demanding job.

Morbo

13/09/2007, 5:03 PM

I definetly would'nt leave him drive the train to Cork!!

Give him a chance, after the 5 or 6 train crashes he just might get the hang of it

Noelys Guitar

13/09/2007, 5:08 PM

Give him a chance, after the 5 or 6 train crashes he just might get the hang of it

The train would never reach Cork as it would permanently be in "Transition".

Stuttgart88

14/09/2007, 8:58 AM

I was more than happy to point out where Stan deserved credit recently but the reality is that any signs of improvement we've seen has been in friendlies. You can't give the manager any credit for the improvement late in the first half in Prague because the change was forced upon him, it was an obvious change and it was only reverting to the team that almost everyone would have picked to start with.

In itself a 1-0 defeat by Czech Republic is hardly much to moan about but the reality is we've been shocking in this campaign. If you qualify you'd look back on ugly 1-0 wins over Wales and Slovakia and say that, just like the big teams, it's the results that count not the performances. But when these 2 performances are the HIGHLIGHT of the campaign then it's a sorry state of affairs.

3 competitive games left and we're out and have a battle on our hands to even come third.

Ash

14/09/2007, 9:05 AM

Dunno if its been posted here or not yet, too tired to thrawl through the
threads but did anyone notice Stan shaking hands with the subs and backroom
staff about 5 mins before the final whistle?

Didnt see it myself but one of the lads said he got it on camera.

Seemed an odd thing to do so I presumed I'd return home to see the
"Staunton Resigns" headlines ... quite disappointed to say the least.

Also, off this topic but someone in work just told me that it was on the radio
this morning that it turned out there was no bereavement in Stephen Irelands
family at all? I cant find anything online about it, apparently it was in an english
newspaper during the week, it so it it true or just someone making up stuff?

ah, found one Link here from eleven-a-side.com (http://eleven-a-side.com/euro2008/irish_soccer_detail.asp?newsid=29291)

onceahoop

14/09/2007, 9:22 AM

Sligo Hornet

14/09/2007, 9:28 AM

Couldn't believe Stan's after match statement saying "It was a Building period and that it was coming along nicely" !!:eek:

Mind you in the poor man's defence some of that Absyinth was brutal stuff!!;)

biscuit

14/09/2007, 9:47 AM

From elevenaside.com - says it all really

Republic of Ireland manager Steve Staunton feels there is �no common sense� to calls for his dismissal, insisting that Ireland have no right to expect victories against sides such as the Czech Republic.

Ireland�s Euro 2008 qualification hopes were dashed following a 1-0 defeat at the hands of the Czechs on Wednesday night.

With three largely meaningless games to come before the end of the European campaign, there have been calls for Staunton to step down � or the FAI to take action.

In response, Stan said: �That�s the world we live in. If it�s not me it�s Eddie O�Sullivan, if it�s not Eddie it�s someone else. That�s the way it is. There�s no middle ground here, no common sense really. You can�t be calling for a manager�s head after every defeat.

�When you look at it, we�re playing the Czech Republic, who are in the top 10 in the world. I mean, we�ve no divine right to be going to these countries and winning games.

�That�s our own self-belief and that�s what I have to try and change in the players� minds and they�re slowly coming round.�

What annoys me is that the czechs are no great shapes in comparison to the force they have been when smicer,poborsky and nedved were in the side. Stan is a desperate man,grasping for positives when there clearly is none. Is he really that pigheaded and ignorant that he can't see how clear it is that he's simply not the man for the job?? (or any job in football for that matter) .... did anyone else notice also, while on thetouchline, he does the same thing, points in the same direcion, does red in the face shouting, but not a hope in hell anyone knows what hes saying....

Stuttgart88

14/09/2007, 9:53 AM

www.independent.ie

Sorry but my links aren't working. but go to the sports section and read "opinion polls contradict FAI boss over Stan"

There's also an article in the paper itself titled "FAI stand by their man"
Brilliant.

Can't find it in the Web edition though

Times vs Indo is interesting today.

Malone saying calm down, despite having dropped subtle criticisms of Staunton repeatedly over the last year and continuously referring to Staunton as under threat.

Indo (McDonnell? web version doesn't give the journalist's name) picking holes in every line of propoganda that Delaney is spouting.

Indo wins hands down for me today.

geysir

14/09/2007, 10:05 AM

The Czechs were still good enough to paralyse us for 35 minutes. After that they sat back, if needed they would have pushed for a winner and certainly they can play the football to craft out a goal.

The next 3 games are only meaningless in terms of qualification but umpteen times more valuable than a friendly. If we do not perform then will the FAI vote of confidence in Stan weaken once they see the scenario of thousands of empty seats looming and the criticism levels increase.

.

R�iteoir

14/09/2007, 10:06 AM

The train would never reach Cork as it would permanently be in "Transition".

Shouldn't that be "permanently be in Trainstation"?

biscuit

14/09/2007, 10:14 AM

what id be afraid of would be the pillock getting a few good results in the last 3 when obviously it wont matter and paint ovr the cracks "giving encouragement for the future"

onceahoop

14/09/2007, 11:44 AM

Times vs Indo is interesting today.

Malone saying calm down, despite having dropped subtle criticisms of Staunton repeatedly over the last year and continuously referring to Staunton as under threat.

Indo (McDonnell? web version doesn't give the journalist's name) picking holes in every line of propoganda that Delaney is spouting.

Indo wins hands down for me today.

It's McDonnell alright and the other article in the print version is his also. Well worth a read. Haven't ead the Times yet.

gustavo

14/09/2007, 11:50 AM

2riImtF0tw0

Ozymandias

14/09/2007, 12:12 PM

thanks Gustavo..watching that again now two days after the event and after calming down..i think they spoke alot of sense and were reasonable in their assessment......

onceahoop

14/09/2007, 12:29 PM

Reasonable coment in a tone that suggested a certain amount of sadness at having to say it. Just about sums it up. Not the players fault, not the supporters fault , not even Stans fault (presuming he gave it his best shot). It's all Delaneys fault for appointing a manager who wouldn't stand up to him.

geysir

14/09/2007, 12:43 PM

Easy to tell that the Irish fan in the studio is Brady, his heart is with the team. Giles is so detached that he could be analysing Azerbaijan.

pixel

14/09/2007, 3:07 PM

can anyone help this lad out ?

http://www.lost.ie/show/11

R�iteoir

14/09/2007, 3:38 PM

can anyone help this lad out ?

http://www.lost.ie/show/11

Yeah - I think he left it with the Plot and his small reserves of "all sense"

Scram

14/09/2007, 5:10 PM

CAN WE PLEASE HAVE A POLL TO SEE IF IT IS ANY LESS THAN 100% THAT SAY STAN SHOULD GO AND GO NOW?

Delaney also, but that cannot be less than 100%, and more so than Stan. He didn't ask for the job and is ill equipped to deal with it.

Torn-Ado

14/09/2007, 5:26 PM

I can't disagree with anything Dunphy says. Pity I never get to hear what these lads have to say anymore.

bennocelt

14/09/2007, 6:32 PM

Am i the only one that thinks he is doing a good job, from day one the media where against him so every little slip up gets highlighted, he inherited a crap team playing really poorly, he got slaughtered for bringing in young players that the so called experts said where not good enough.

Its the best football ive ever seen ireland play do people not remember the crap under Jack or McCarthey even Kerr we where shocking for the first time in my lifetime we actually look like a team that can score goals . John o shea lost Ireland the win V slovakia and again lost his man last night . There isnt much Stan can do about what happens on the pitch.

We lost 1 nil away to the Cech. rep. in a game where we went down to 10 men hit the post and had a shot cleared off the line .

He has brought through Hunt Mcshane Long and Ireland.

This knee jerk reaction to not qualifying for the Euro cup from a group we had little or no chance of getting out of anyway is a bit over the top .

I dont think he should have been given the job but i dont see anything he is doing to warrent the slatting he is getting .

are you having a joke or what?
the point of it all is that we dont actually have a crap team, its half decent, and surely better than scotland and Norn Iron if we had a good manager behind us

the best football ireland has played...................watch that wales game again, and san marino :rolleyes:

so Anto will you be back with this quote when we are hammered in the first few games of the WC qualifiers

onceahoop

14/09/2007, 11:00 PM

Am i the only one that thinks he is doing a good job, from day one the media where against him so every little slip up gets highlighted, he inherited a crap team playing really poorly, he got slaughtered for bringing in young players that the so called experts said where not good enough.

Its the best football ive ever seen ireland play do people not remember the crap under Jack or McCarthey even Kerr we where shocking for the first time in my lifetime we actually look like a team that can score goals . John o shea lost Ireland the win V slovakia and again lost his man last night . There isnt much Stan can do about what happens on the pitch.

We lost 1 nil away to the Cech. rep. in a game where we went down to 10 men hit the post and had a shot cleared off the line .

He has brought through Hunt Mcshane Long and Ireland.

This knee jerk reaction to not qualifying for the Euro cup from a group we had little or no chance of getting out of anyway is a bit over the top .

I dont think he should have been given the job but i dont see anything he is doing to warrent the slatting he is getting .

It's not the great football you play. It's how many goals you get and how few you concede.

We got to two world Cups and European Championship under Charlton and a World Cup under McCarthy.

Jonathon Douglas lost his man against Slovakia and in Prague Kevin Kilbane dived in like a schoolboy and allowed the Czechto step inside and attack Richard Dunne who also dived in, John O'Shea was waiting for the player to be shuffled across to him by Kilbane and he was McGeady's anyway.

Stan picked the wrong team in Slovakia and used the wrong subs. He also picked the wrong team in Prague and obviously didn't learn the lesons from Bratislava.

Is that enough for you.

Scram

16/09/2007, 8:37 AM

It's not the great football you play. It's how many goals you get and how few you concede.

We got to two world Cups and European Championship under Charlton and a World Cup under McCarthy.

Jonathon Douglas lost his man against Slovakia and in Prague Kevin Kilbane dived in like a schoolboy and allowed the Czechto step inside and attack Richard Dunne who also dived in, John O'Shea was waiting for the player to be shuffled across to him by Kilbane and he was McGeady's anyway.

Stan picked the wrong team in Slovakia and used the wrong subs. He also picked the wrong team in Prague and obviously didn't learn the lesons from Bratislava.

Is that enough for you.

Sorry, but anybody who thinks that Stan is even doing an adequate, never mind a "good" job, knows nothing. I admit that I would not be the most technically aware, but even with my basic knowledge, I can see that Stan is useless in this position. It is usual in situations like this to have disagreement, but there is NO disagreement here, 100% of the RTE pundits and 100% minus Anto! of fans agree that picking Hunt and Reid to start both games was a simple and correct decision, Stan appears to be the only clown on the planet who could not see this. Steven Ireland's granny could see this.

He can't even get the most basic of basics right, he has to go and he has to go now.

cavan_fan

16/09/2007, 6:39 PM

Sorry, but anybody who thinks that Stan is even doing an adequate, never mind a "good" job, knows nothing. I admit that I would not be the most technically aware, but even with my basic knowledge, I can see that Stan is useless in this position. It is usual in situations like this to have disagreement, but there is NO disagreement here, 100% of the RTE pundits and 100% minus Anto! of fans agree that picking Hunt and Reid to start both games was a simple and correct decision, Stan appears to be the only clown on the planet who could not see this. Steven Ireland's granny could see this.

He can't even get the most basic of basics right, he has to go and he has to go now.

Rubbish, loads of people on here BEFORE the games would have disagreed with playing Hunt and Reid. I assume you mean Hunt for McGeady and Reid for Ireland. Ignoring the obvious point that Ireland scored our goal in Bratislava, there are plenty of people who wouldn't have gone for this. It's so easy in hindsight to jump on the bandwagon of Hunt should have started but I can't remeber anyone being that sure before the game.

Noelys Guitar

16/09/2007, 6:47 PM

Rubbish, loads of people on here BEFORE the games would have disagreed with playing Hunt and Reid. I assume you mean Hunt for McGeady and Reid for Ireland. Ignoring the obvious point that Ireland scored our goal in Bratislava, there are plenty of people who wouldn't have gone for this. It's so easy in hindsight to jump on the bandwagon of Hunt should have started but I can't remeber anyone being that sure before the game.

No. Then whats this.
http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=70655

onceahoop

16/09/2007, 6:57 PM

Rubbish, loads of people on here BEFORE the games would have disagreed with playing Hunt and Reid. I assume you mean Hunt for McGeady and Reid for Ireland. Ignoring the obvious point that Ireland scored our goal in Bratislava, there are plenty of people who wouldn't have gone for this. It's so easy in hindsight to jump on the bandwagon of Hunt should have started but I can't remeber anyone being that sure before the game..

We understand. Your short term memory loss is caused by depression after that perormance. :rolleyes:

Irish_Praha

16/09/2007, 7:35 PM

.

We understand. Your short term memory loss is caused by depression after that perormance. :rolleyes:

In fairness he didnt post in that thread :p

SUB of the day

16/09/2007, 7:38 PM

Lets not get bogged down in the myriad of reasons of why the man must leave, but instead focus on how it can be achieved.Do nothing and the status quo remains, merely postponing the inevitable sacking upon our failure to qualify for 2010.:(

shakermaker1982

16/09/2007, 8:31 PM

Someone needs to have a word in Stan's ear and tell him to look on foot.ie!!! I think he'd step down if he realised how badly the supporters want a new man in. Stan is probably deluded enough to think Delanay is right i.e. the supporters want him to stay.

Qwerty

16/09/2007, 8:57 PM

Stan won't step down now, they'll just keep spinning about building for the future etc. however if they get stuffed by Germany, or look unconvincing against Cyprus & Wales there is a chance the pressure might tell but I'm not optimistic. The best thing that can hapen to us - though it will hurt out seeding - is to lose to Germany and Wales and draw with Cyprus. If we get a string of half decent results they will point to that as evidence of progress and Stan stays on to mess up our WC chances.

What I think I have learned about Stan is he's not very bright and doesn't listen to anyone. I'm sure he is doing all that he can and is sincere but just isn't up to the job.

Problem is finding a replacement, though Lawrie Sanchez could be available about Christmas time :)

mypost

16/09/2007, 11:09 PM

From elevenaside.com - says it all really

Republic of Ireland manager Steve Staunton feels there is �no common sense� to calls for his dismissal, insisting that Ireland have no right to expect victories against sides such as the Czech Republic.

:D:D

Sure how can the likes of that pub team aka Scotland go to Paris, and beat one of the top 10 teams in the world?? They've no right to do it, don't they?? :confused: How the hell are the likes of Finland above Portugal in their 8-team group??

This imbecile wouldn't know the difference between a tactic and a tictac. All this "transition" stuff is a pile of horsedung. Senior International football is about results, and qualifying for major championships. Developing young players is for the U-21 team.

When bringing young players in, you do so on a phased basis, not do a Souness-like situation at Liverpool, where you pile them all in en masse. That policy destroys teams, and leads to poor results, and even worse rankings, therefore making it harder to qualify for later tournaments. Souness sold Staunton during his "transition" period at Liverpool alongside other big names, to make way for younger players. Liverpool haven't won the PL since.