The Steve Staunton Discussion thread

[paul_oshea]

can we get someone to mention john delaney on the speakers and then everyone boo in unison?

[NeilMcD]

Did he really say this?? I hadn't heard that, what a lier. Must have been getting tips from Alister Campbell book of spin.

As for booing on Sat, it wasn't that bad, I've heard worse. I think it's being blown out of proportion a bit by the media, same with the chanting after Doyle/Long sub.

Yeah he did say this and for that reason I think its ok to get our point across as it the message needs to be clear.

[paul_oshea]

So are we going to do anything? IS there anyone who has any decent contacts in the papers that could be contacted as to let people know of fans unrest and unhappines. Its killing me watching my hair fall out and seeing a good generation of young players go by, my 20s pass me by and gone in the constant hope of qualifying for a tournament. Enough is enough something needs to be done. This crap of building process, we have been doing that since kerr, its a load of scheisser, the only way to build for the future and gain experience is by qualifying for a tournament, a young fella will gain invaluable experience there, not playing a meaningless friendly and winning 2 - 0 and then playing in an away game and losing 5 - 2 or 1 -0 or whatever. So come on lads get the finger out.

[osarusan]

he accepted a job that should never have been offered to him. its not his fault he was still reading ann and barry at the age of 25 but they are not the credentials of a manager.

See, I've never understood the arguement that he's not at fault, because he doesn't know how to manage.

A lot of posters here have said that if they were offered the Irish job, of course they'd take it.

Well, I wouldn't. The reason I wouldn't is because I know that I don't know enough about management to be a good manager, and the national place is not the place to start learning. If and when the results took a turn for the worse, it would be my fault as much as anybody else, because I took the job knowing this would happen, due to my lack of ability.

To blame Delaney for hiring his is correct also, but Stan made the decision to take the job, he wasn't forced, and he took it in the knowledge that he had never managed before in his life. He can be held responsible for doing that.

As for booing him, I think booing is an acceptable form of criticism.

[an_ceannaire]

hard call

[paul_oshea]

i felt bad, but at the same time i felt relieved. I didn't do it myself, but at the same time I realised that we as fans have to get our point across. That match meant nothing. Germany C team, who didnt care and were happy just to turn up.

[an_ceannaire]

have stan or FAI aknowledged there was booing in public?

[mrtndvn]

People should be ashamed of booing stan. Typical dubs, wouldnt support their team.

[NeilMcD]

That is the most ignorant comment I have seen in a long time. How the hell do you know it was Dubs. If you are a wind up merchant, do you not have better things to be doing.

[Noelys Guitar]

You are all wrong. Delaney has stated Stan was being "coohed" by the crowd which is Flemish for 4/6/8 year plan and we are all behind you.

[carloz]

People should be ashamed of booing stan. Typical dubs, wouldnt support their team.
What a stupid and ignorant comment. Im not a Dub but if i were there i would have booed as loud as anyone. I dont see why we have to put up with a guy on a learning experience for 4 years when he is obviously not cut out fr the job at all. Those that booed were 100% perfectly entitled to

[OwlsFan]

I see John Delaney always sends the FAI President out to the pitch for the formal duties because he knows he'd get a right rollicking from the fans. The person who devised the quiz didn't have the same sense.

As for the PA man and his "really really big round of applause" which he repeated three times for Mick Leech and his reference to "West Germany"!! WHat a clown but it gave us a laugh, especially the Germans around me.

[Noelys Guitar]

ha a bohs fan one to talk.
we want collins out, say we want collins out
we want kenny out, say we want kenny out

But hey, dont take my word for it, heres the view of another dub;

Cluxton slams "fair weather" supporters
11 October 2007


Dublin goalkeeper Stephen Cluxton has launched a stinging attack on the county’s "fair weather" supporters.

The Parnells clubman hit out at the supporters who pack Croke Park in the summer but who are conspicuous by their absence during the winter months.

"It’s funny that you go to a game up in Ballybofey in mid-winter and you have a handful of supporters there," he remarked.

"You go into Croke Park in the first round and you are playing anybody and it’s packed to the gills. You are kind of saying to yourself, where are all these coming from and do they even support the game, or are they just looking for a day out?

"I’m not saying they are all football or rugby supporters or anything like that. I suppose in Dublin though, you probably have more critics than you do have supporters.

"They don’t understand the term (supporter) I don’t think."

You should move over to the G AAh AAh section pal.

[mrtndvn]

Same crap songs, same unloyal fans, same dubs, same problem!

[lionelhutz]

People should be ashamed of booing stan. Typical dubs, wouldnt support their team.

I'm from Limerick and I was at the game sat, as I have been for the past 10 years and although I've never taken part in any booing at games, I understand why people would do this.

Especially after Delaney is spinning that fans are behind Stan when clearly the majority are not. I don't think anyone booed the team, as most people realise their honesty of effort

[Jerry The Saint]

I was saying Boo-urns :(

[Armando]

People should be ashamed of booing stan. Typical dubs, wouldnt support their team.

Oh you've really set yourself up here with that moronic sweeping statement. I'm going to put you in your place now...I was at the game and was sitting beside a Derry supporter(wearing Derry jersey with Ireland scarf). He was one of those who booed. I told him to get a grip because like you i feel it's uncalled for. By the way I'm a Dub. I'd imagine those who booed were a mish mash of most counties.

[lionelhutz]

I was saying Boo-urns :(

Used before but still gives me a laugh!!

[an_ceannaire]

mrtndvn
what a tool!

[NeilMcD]

Oh you've really set yourself up here with that moronic sweeping statement. I'm going to put you in your place now...I was at the game and was sitting beside a Derry supporter(wearing Derry jersey with Ireland scarf). He was one of those who booed. I told him to get a grip because like you i feel it's uncalled for. By the way I'm a Dub. I'd imagine those who booed were a mish mash of most counties.

Brilliant.

[paul_oshea]

this board reminds me of that monty python sketch, where they all sit round and complain and talk about doing something but never actually do anything.

[carloz]

There must be something that can be done. We shouldnt have to put up with this. We are becoming a laughing stock. that is the 4th ****ing game in this campaign that Stan has spouted the same **** after the match that we deserved 3 points. He also did it after both Czech matches and the Slovak one. His tactical knowledge is embarressing at times...............we dont deserve to put up with this. We have a manager that is one of the top 10 paid international managers in the world and yet i would have more trust in my old under 12s manager from my town

[carloz]

this board reminds me of that monty python sketch, where they all sit round and complain and talk about doing something but never actually do anything.

hats the big big problem with Irish fans. I cant see anything coming from this because so few are willing to do anything, most are just talk

[Dr. Ogba]

Its killing me watching my hair fall out

Ah I wouldn't worry about that....just get on to Stephen Ireland...

[gufct]

Im sick of all this media driven bull****.Its been going on for five years and where has it got us. Booing our own Managment,Players and Team even when they play well. I had to listen to Marion ffing Finucane and Ivan Yates talking through their respective asses yesterday morning about how great it was to see how "modern Ireland" is so great because some clowns in Croke park think they know better than everyone else.

[Ordinary Fan]

It was nothing like the booing at McCArthy during the Swiss match, but it could get worse if the Cyprus match turns into one of those boring slogs.

Most fans want Stan to quit but he is deluding himself into thinking it is only a small core of fans who are never satisfied. So booing him on Saturday might get it through his thick skull that we have had enough.

[geysir]

Never have booed at any player or team manager in my life
but to those who did boo Stan, you are all in very good company.
"Lampard, whose recent international displays have been criticised by some, came on as a substitute against Estonia and was booed by a large group of England fans"

[paul_oshea]

Im sick of all this media driven bull****.Its been going on for five years and where has it got us. Booing our own Managment,Players and Team even when they play well. I had to listen to Marion ffing Finucane and Ivan Yates talking through their respective asses yesterday morning about how great it was to see how "modern Ireland" is so great because some clowns in Croke park think they know better than everyone else.

Not sure what way you are thinking here, but it sounds like you are happy with the current situation. Fair play to ye, but I just dont understand it or see where you are coming from at all. That match on saturdday meant nothing, for the last 5 years how many times have we done that? countless times to be honest, and it hasn't got us anywhere in 5 years. If we were any good we would be wining games like that 2 or 3 - 0, and we could be oh so good. The germans would have beaten us had they needed too, if we had to avoid defeat to qualify yesterday we would have lost. Its as simple as that. I am extremely angered and frustrated that a few jumped up monkeys who would have crap jobs and crap salaries if they werent working for the FAI staying on in power, and treating people who go to games who travel abroad and spend thousands on their team being treated like crap. And thats what it is, delaney going on about the fans staying behind in czech is a fine example of this, but yet the supporters dont have a proper spokesperson to come out in teh media and counteract this. Something needs to be done than just going on and being happy go lucky best supporters in the world.

[an_ceannaire]

has stan commented on it? has he been asked in public about it?

[Ireland4ever]

See, I've never understood the arguement that he's not at fault, because he doesn't know how to manage.

A lot of posters here have said that if they were offered the Irish job, of course they'd take it.

Well, I wouldn't. The reason I wouldn't is because I know that I don't know enough about management to be a good manager, and the national place is not the place to start learning. If and when the results took a turn for the worse, it would be my fault as much as anybody else, because I took the job knowing this would happen, due to my lack of ability.

To blame Delaney for hiring his is correct also, but Stan made the decision to take the job, he wasn't forced, and he took it in the knowledge that he had never managed before in his life. He can be held responsible for doing that.

As for booing him, I think booing is an acceptable form of criticism.

Exactly, great point. If Stan was an sort of a man he would realise he's not cut-out for this job and he would do the decent thing and resign.
I would never advocate the booing of the players, thats the pits but the fans have a right to vent their frustration at a man who is jointly responsible for the demise of our international team. Delaney step up.
Stan was a true legend as a player but surely he knows not one fan has faith in him as a manager.

[John83]

Same crap songs, same unloyal fans, same dubs, same problem!
I assume you're a WUM, possibly even an FAI employee (which is a little paranoid, but they've earned it).

The people who booed Staunton went on to cheer for their team for 90 minutes. We made our point - it's possible to support the troops but oppose the war.

[dr_peepee]

It's not nice, it's a sad state of affairs on a man who served us so well as a player. and i didn't boo... BUT as a fan Booing has been reduced to the only medium. They (FAI) don't akcnowledge the media in any cappacity and clearly pay no attention to any attempts at correspondance. There has been clear deflection of any accountability on the part of the FAI for this situation..

"Irish fans exptectations are too high we. We don't have the squad we had ten years ago."

"That was disgruntled Dundalk fans"

"The media are going to drive players to retire early."

"The media are turning fans aginast the team."

And so on...

The actions and words from the fAI over the last year have been insulting to the inteligence of the Irish fan.

[dr_peepee]

- it's possible to support the troops but oppose the war.


That's it in a nutshell!!!!

[gufct]

We had a damn good manager 5 yrs ago but thsoe delightful bunch of Bloodhounds tore him asunder because he offended the great red majority.

[Calcio Jack]

Was anyone else booing Mary McAleesse ?

[Ozymandias]

Was anyone else wooing Mary McAleesse ?

there...i corrected it for ya

[John83]

he says he overheard them saying this...can he speak german?...fair play to him..a man of many talents....football management is not one of them
Anyone familiar with "The Day Today"? The German finance minister anyone?

[mattie]

I'm actually not one of the ones who wants Stan out but I don't see any problem with people booing him.

I wasn't able to make the match, but if I were there and heard people booing I probably would have cheered. At least it would create a bit of banter.

Booing is what fans do/ it's like a part of our weaponry. As long as it's not secterian or racist I don't have a problem with it.

Maybe in the context of a question about his playing career it was a little ill-timed but some people are quite obviously very angry with the guy and he is the manager now not a player.

[Ozymandias]

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Booing is what fans do/ it's like a part of our weaponry. As long as it's not secterian or racist I don't have a problem with it.

Maybe in the context of a question about his playing career it was a little ill-timed but some people are quite obviously very angry with the guy and he is the manager now not a player.

is the correct answer

[youngirish]

What has the world come to when you can't even boo a man who has dragged your beloved national team into football's dark ages while stubbornly refusing to admit he's nowhere near capable of performing the job he was tasked to do.

[jbyrne]

We had a damn good manager 5 yrs ago but thsoe delightful bunch of Bloodhounds tore him asunder because he offended the great red majority.

and were joined by lots of fans at swiss match '02 by booing and chanting keanes name all through the match. as much to blame as the press

[bwagner]

"That was disgruntled Dundalk fans"

Yes sure Fai why would we boo our most famous football son.

Cop out Kings

[jbyrne]

As for booing on Sat, it wasn't that bad, I've heard worse. I think it's being blown out of proportion a bit by the media, same with the chanting after Doyle/Long sub.

whoever came up with that half time question needs their head read. announcing stans name over the tannoy at ht was only inviting trouble

heard chants of "you dont know what you're doing" when long came on for doyle which just shows how little the fans know as doyle was actually injured when he came off and was largely ineffective anyway

[bwagner]

If you want a good idea to disgrace stan just make a large banner and hang it in
ard desond in dundalk his family home lol

[back of the net]

its all a F**king joke - the booing was out of order -

theres a time and a place if u want to make a point

i dont care who is in charge - at the end of the day - its our country and i was dismayed by the ppl who booed on sat

the ppl who booed - u say ye want to make a point - fair enough - but if ye want to make a point on how disgruntled you are with the setup - then dont go to game - the hypocrisy

we should be organising a protest down at the fai instead of taking the easy way out and turning on our team from a seat in the stadium

[madblaa]

I was there, I'm not a dub, I booed the useless CLOWN!

I cant help thinking though, the FAI know what public opinion on him is, they must have known there would be that kind of a reaction towards him.

[Noelys Guitar]

its all a F**king joke - the booing was out of order -

theres a time and a place if u want to make a point

i dont care who is in charge - at the end of the day - its our country and i was dismayed by the ppl who booed on sat

the ppl who booed - u say ye want to make a point - fair enough - but if ye want to make a point on how disgruntled you are with the setup - then dont go to game - the hypocrisy

we should be organising a protest down at the fai instead of taking the easy way out and turning on our team from a seat in the stadium

Nobody turned on the team or booed the team. They booed Staunton. He is on 400,000 a year and has the hardest of hard necks and deserves to be "booed" for mistakes he has made. Water off a Ducks back to Staunton. I bet he could'nt care less about the "booing". Delaney as we all know is pulling the strings in the background but has become the invisible man at games. No gathering down at Merrion Sq is going to change that.

[backstothewall]

When your paying the ticket prices international football matches now fetch, your entitled to boo, hiss, cheer, clap, blow raspberries, or make any other noises you care to make.

[macdermesser]

whoever came up with that half time question needs their head read. announcing stans name over the tannoy at ht was only inviting trouble

either very dumb .. which would not be the first time, or a deliberate ploy to gage public opinion of Stan .. not that you need to go to much length to find that out at the moment. Very peculiar.

[Guts&Glory]

Whats the story........

Booing - Didnt boo myself but can see where people are coming from. If you took a week off work and spent Euro 3k in Prague and Bratislava to watch a manager on Euro 400k feck up and players on anywhere from Euro 10k plus a week not hold onto a lead they bearly deserved anyway anyone would feel hard done by....thats not even mentioning paying for Cyprus debacale last year.

Ian Dempsey MC - What the f@^&, nice guy and his radio show is good but not an MC for a pre match gee up.

Pis$%^ Dublin fans - Giving out to other fans for not singing moronic songs at Lehman and Delaney just cos they are off their heads and then turning on Irish fans.

Try taking a half day off work driving 3hrs - 5hrs to Dublin for the game to watch that drivel that has been served up under stan, whilst sober not intoxicated and see how chuffed you would be!!

67,00 people at the game - average weekly attendance for League games 14,000....where are all the others coming from Delaney and the powers that be??

The LOI fans are shoved behind the goals whilst the suits get the best seats in the house.

Gaelic heads at games - pat Spillane et al, slate the game on a Sunday, glad to be there on a Wednesday (paid for ticket???).

Oh yes its great being a LOI/ireland National team fan.