FAI Cup 2018 [Archive] - Page 7

total hoofball

11/09/2018, 6:01 PM

RT� usually like to have a double header of live Semi-final matches on the Sunday iirc:confused:

It was always normally one semi-final on the Friday night and the other on the following Sunday afternoon until 2012 when the first double-header was on a Sunday afternoon. 2015 and 2017 reverted to previous scheduling

2012 - Double-header on the Sunday afternoon
2013 - Double-header on the Sunday afternoon
2014 - Double-header on the Sunday afternoon
2015 - Friday night/Sunday afternoon
2016 - Double-header on the Sunday afternoon
2017 - Friday night/Sunday afternoon

EatYerGreens

11/09/2018, 7:42 PM

Dundalk v Cork would attract the biggest crowd followed by Dundalk v Derry then Dundalk v Bohs.

Cork have bene the best supported team in the league for a while now, so they'd be one half of pretty much every permutation for a best supported final.

I'd therefore pout it at :

1) Cork v Dundalk
2) Cork v Derry
3) Cork v Bohs
4) Dundalk v Derry
5) Dundalk v Bohs

oriel

11/09/2018, 10:58 PM

Cork have absolutely the best league support for any club in all of Ireland, and their averages back this up over the past few seasons.

I’m not sure this is transferred to cup finals though, I think Dundalk sold more tickets in two of the last 3 finals. In saying that most of these finals were modest attendances, 25k or so, we really should be getting 30k. Tickets start at a tenner. No excuses from any fan really from any club.

I’d disagree btw with the Dundalk v Bohs suggestion, that could easily be one of the bigger attended potential finals.

Louth4sam

12/09/2018, 6:49 AM

Cork have bene the best supported team in the league for a while now, so they'd be one half of pretty much every permutation for a best supported final.

I'd therefore pout it at :

1) Cork v Dundalk
2) Cork v Derry
3) Cork v Bohs
4) Dundalk v Derry
5) Dundalk v Bohs

Dundalk massively outnumbered Cork over past three finals. It's a lot easier for a casual fan or a day tripper to nip an hour up the road to a game than across country.

Ezeikial

12/09/2018, 6:50 AM

This is a 'made for foot.ie' topic. Hypothetical situation that people can argue furiously over, yet can never be proven

Poor Student

12/09/2018, 7:16 AM

This is a 'made for foot.ie' topic. Hypothetical situation that people can argue furiously over, yet can never be proven

Welcome to the internet discussion forum, Ezeikial.

Kingswood Rover

12/09/2018, 8:01 AM

Potentially the first final in years for Bohs they may bring more fans than either Dundalk or Cork.

Real ale Madrid

12/09/2018, 8:04 AM

Dundalk massively outnumbered Cork over past three finals. It's a lot easier for a casual fan or a day tripper to nip an hour up the road to a game than across country.

What is your definition of massively outnumbered because I'd have said the last 2 finals were pretty much 50/50. Dundalk had more in 2015 for sure.

oriel

12/09/2018, 8:26 AM

Potentially the first final in years for Bohs they may bring more fans than either Dundalk or Cork.

I wouldn't rule that out, you could be right, but Bohs have probably the hardest route to get there, tough away game to Derry and then up against the cup holders if they make it, albeit at home, its possible though.

Good point made by DFC fan above on distance, its 50 mins to the Tunnel exit from Dundalk, and you can see the Aviva once you get to the Port, 3 hours from Cork.

Straightstory

12/09/2018, 9:58 AM

This is a 'made for foot.ie' topic. Hypothetical situation that people can argue furiously over, yet can never be proven

Well, if it is a Bohs v Dundalk final, we can then compare attendance with those of recent Dundalk v Cork finals. Bohs v Dundalk obviously hypothetical at the moment - but not completely unlikely.

Ezeikial

12/09/2018, 12:24 PM

Welcome to the internet discussion forum, Ezeikial.

Thanks Poor Student - that's the first welcome I have received here in almost 10 years

holidaysong

12/09/2018, 2:10 PM

Thanks Poor Student - that's the first welcome I have received here in almost 10 years

Blow in.

micls

12/09/2018, 6:07 PM

I think the final last year was close to 50/50 in the end? I wasn't there the previous year. If we make it again, we're probably looking at 10k ish from here. I'd imagine Derry would match that? Given the season overall has been disappointing so it'd be a big day out? Not sure about Bohs, would they have that amount of casual/daytruppers? Obviously easier to get there when you're in Dublin and a different team could get some more neutrals potentially.

Martinho II

12/09/2018, 6:50 PM

tbh if bohs make it i would be confident they would have a huge fanbase. they havent got to a fai cup final since pat fenlons side in 08 which I attended.

marinobohs

13/09/2018, 8:44 AM

Poor Student

13/09/2018, 9:09 AM

It's always going to be easier for a non-Dublin club to draw a bigger crowd of day trippers as the likes of Cork and Derry can encapsulate an entire urban identity if not even a county wide identity whereas Bohs would not have the same broad regional appeal.

bohsmug

13/09/2018, 10:18 AM

In fairness, I think micls was asking do we have casual/daytripper support. And the truth is for the most part we don't. Not to the extent of provincial clubs anyway. There was about 5,000 Bohs fans at our last cup final. Much higher than our home gates but not enough to make a dent in Lansdowne. But it's hard to tell. The club has received more positive news coverage in the last few years than it would normally so hopefully that could result in more people having a soft association with the club and coming out for a big day.

Hopefully Bohs get there and we'll all have the opportunity to find out the answer :)

micls

13/09/2018, 12:06 PM

Yeah, that wasn't an insult at all. We have a huge daytripper support. It's great. The more the better. It was a question rather than an insult! The "Great Cork Sporting Public" love a bandwagon.

dundalkfc10

13/09/2018, 12:49 PM

Yeah, that wasn't an insult at all. We have a huge daytripper support. It's great. The more the better. It was a question rather than an insult! The "Great Cork Sporting Public" love a bandwagon.

Same as Dundalk and unfortantley due to a **** up by our club about 1/2 of the 300 odd tickets Cork have given us for next week has ended up in the hands of bandwagoners.

Have a home end ticket myself so not too worried

micls

13/09/2018, 5:43 PM

Same as Dundalk and unfortantley due to a **** up by our club about 1/2 of the 300 odd tickets Cork have given us for next week has ended up in the hands of bandwagoners.

Have a home end ticket myself so not too worried

How'd that happen?

Seen the drama about the 300 allocation. Think it's a bit over the top, 300 seems reasonable enough to me, that'd be what ye usually bring. But, if half have gone to non regulars I can understand the frustration.

To be honest, I'd be surprised if it sells out. The league is done as far as most city fans are concerned, I can't imagine there being the buzz about it that there should have been, had we done the job against Sligo.

Ezeikial

13/09/2018, 6:01 PM

How'd that happen?

Seen the drama about the 300 allocation. Think it's a bit over the top, 300 seems reasonable enough to me, that'd be what ye usually bring. But, if half have gone to non regulars I can understand the frustration.

To be honest, I'd be surprised if it sells out. The league is done as far as most city fans are concerned, I can't imagine there being the buzz about it that there should have been, had we done the job against Sligo.

I don't agree that this match is a 'usual' encounter at all. While Cork fans seem to have thrown in the towel to a significant extent (although a convincing win over Bohs would raise hope), a win for Dundalk would all but seal the title. Naturally there are loads more fans interesting in travelling as a consequence, compared to the April match in Turner's Cross for example.

It's pretty normal when demand outstrips supply that those missing out on tickets are annoyed - legitimate questions over the fairness of ticket distribution by Dundalk FC to fans inevitably follows if it is less than transparent.

The obvious solutions from the outset was to allocate more than 300 tickets, and this still remains a sensible solution - although the purchase of home tickets on the internet by visiting fans that has already happened, is an inevitable security consequence of this not being sorted sensibly between the clubs in the first instance

ger121

13/09/2018, 6:29 PM

Think someone said above that we had 5000 in the RDS in 2008. Maybe add a couple of thousand to that for the Landsdowne factor and that it would be 10 years since our previous final.

micls

13/09/2018, 7:59 PM

I don't agree that this match is a 'usual' encounter at all. While Cork fans seem to have thrown in the towel to a significant extent (although a convincing win over Bohs would raise hope), a win for Dundalk would all but seal the title. Naturally there are loads more fans interesting in travelling as a consequence, compared to the April match in Turner's Cross for example.

It's pretty normal when demand outstrips supply that those missing out on tickets are annoyed - legitimate questions over the fairness of ticket distribution by Dundalk FC to fans inevitably follows if it is less than transparent.

The obvious solutions from the outset was to allocate more than 300 tickets, and this still remains a sensible solution - although the purchase of home tickets on the internet by visiting fans that has already happened, is an inevitable security consequence of this not being sorted sensibly between the clubs in the first instance

Of course its not usual, but that doesn't entitle away fans to additional tickets in any way.

If the club feels they can sell the remaining tickets to our own fans, they are 100% right to hold them for that. If it looks like we won't sell out the game to our own fans, I'm sure at that point more tickets can be offered to Dundalk. As you said, Fridays result will have an impact.

There would be nothing sensible about our club giving you more tickets, if it is possible to sell them to our own fans. Dundalk fans in places are ranting about the unfairness of not allocating you more tickets. While I understand being annoyed you can't get a ticket, expecting the opposition to give you an advantage and labelling it disgraceful when they don't, is just silly.

Ezeikial

13/09/2018, 10:18 PM

Of course its not usual, but that doesn't entitle away fans to additional tickets in any way.

If the club feels they can sell the remaining tickets to our own fans, they are 100% right to hold them for that. If it looks like we won't sell out the game to our own fans, I'm sure at that point more tickets can be offered to Dundalk. As you said, Fridays result will have an impact.

There would be nothing sensible about our club giving you more tickets, if it is possible to sell them to our own fans. Dundalk fans in places are ranting about the unfairness of not allocating you more tickets. While I understand being annoyed you can't get a ticket, expecting the opposition to give you an advantage and labelling it disgraceful when they don't, is just silly.

I don't put forward any such notion that there is an entitlement to additional tickets.

It is barely credible that the club could believe they will sell out Turner's Cross for this match, no matter what the result against Bohs. Even committed Cork fans have conceded defeat in the title race and the casuals have absolutely abandoned hope, and will only possibly reappear in the event of reaching the cup final

The ticket distribution has been badly handled by both clubs and the net effect is that many visiting fans have bought tickets for the home end, with the obvious increased security risks. I hope extra tickets are made available, but there is already a problem that won't be easily sorted

If Cork decide not to allocate additional tickets, it would not be the first time that a club chooses to leave large numbers of unsold seats empty rather than accept willing paying customers. There is a strange irony in this.

Charlie Darwin

14/09/2018, 3:52 AM

Think someone said above that we had 5000 in the RDS in 2008. Maybe add a couple of thousand to that for the Landsdowne factor and that it would be 10 years since our previous final.
I'd say a lot more neutrals would go if there's a Dublin team in it too. Obviously probably more Rovers/Shels fans cheering for the opposition, but I'd say a lot more people who'd just cheer for the Dublin team too.

edit: obviously there could be two Dublin teams in the final but assuming Dundalk make it

micls

14/09/2018, 7:27 AM

I don't put forward any such notion that there is an entitlement to additional tickets.

It is barely credible that the club could believe they will sell out Turner's Cross for this match, no matter what the result against Bohs. Even committed Cork fans have conceded defeat in the title race and the casuals have absolutely abandoned hope, and will only possibly reappear in the event of reaching the cup final

The ticket distribution has been badly handled by both clubs and the net effect is that many visiting fans have bought tickets for the home end, with the obvious increased security risks. I hope extra tickets are made available, but there is already a problem that won't be easily sorted

If Cork decide not to allocate additional tickets, it would not be the first time that a club chooses to leave large numbers of unsold seats empty rather than accept willing paying customers. There is a strange irony in this.

If we win convincingly tonight and there's decent marketing done, there's a chance of a sellout. I would consider it unlikely, but I think it's completely reasonable of the club to to hold the tickets and see.

I don't agree at all that the club has handled ticket distribution poorly. They'll wait and see what happens tongiht.

If we don't win tonight, I'm sure the club will allocate you further tickets. If we win and there seems to be some buzz about it, they will wait and see. If it comes to early next week and ticket sales are slow, they'll send up more tickets. If ticket sales looks positive, they won't. That's all completely sensible from our perspective, even though it doesn't suit you guys.

How your club has chosen to distribute the tickets is a separate issue and does sound like it's been poorly handled.

ger121

15/09/2018, 9:12 AM

I'd say a lot more neutrals would go if there's a Dublin team in it too. Obviously probably more Rovers/Shels fans cheering for the opposition, but I'd say a lot more people who'd just cheer for the Dublin team too.

edit: obviously there could be two Dublin teams in the final but assuming Dundalk make it

Agreed on the neutral boost if a Dublin Team in the final. I’ve gone when Pats and Shels in the final. My numbers are what I’d think Bohs might likely bring. We’ve a good core and then adding floating/lapsed supporters who would go to a final could see 5-7000 thousand.

Kingswood Rover

15/09/2018, 1:46 PM

AH Bohs will surely get 10 k for a final, there is a good vibe about the club in the community malarky right i:nerd::nerd: am gonna say it if its a Bohs Dundalk final come on the Bohs i mean Dundalk ah heck no Bohs if the underdogs were anyone but Bohs.:confused:

David BOHie

15/09/2018, 2:12 PM

Yeah was thinking there's no way we'd only bring 5k. We'd sell that for Rovers if we had the capacity.

There's a better vibe around the place than 08, I'd say we're getting more through the gates than 08 and there is the Lansdowne factor which would add a few more neutrals or casual fans. 10k for me. Now where are they every second friday is the question?

Nesta99

18/09/2018, 4:30 AM

2002 in Tolka the ticket allocations were adjusted as initially it was thought Bohs would have the greater demand but starved of success Dundalk support turned out and ended up 3 sides of the ground. At that time the capacity was near 14k afaik and Dundalk had 9000 odd there though it seemed a lot more. Dundalk v Derry or Bohs could hit near the 30k mark in the Aviva imo maybe higher if Derry travel anything like the numbers they have in the past. Cork v UCD would be a push to break 15k. Dundalk and Cork again anything near 20k would be good with the novelty well worn off on that fixture.

If cup final days add new fans of a couple of % of the total that travel supporting a team and become regulars at league games thats about it id say. Unless the cup final is part of a general upward trend in a clubs fortunes.

Pablo Escobar

18/09/2018, 8:09 AM

marinobohs

18/09/2018, 9:20 AM

Think someone said above that we had 5000 in the RDS in 2008. Maybe add a couple of thousand to that for the Landsdowne factor and that it would be 10 years since our previous final.

Not even thinking of the final yet, but difficult to put a number on our likely crowd. approx. 2,500 regulars (who would presumably be near certain) about another 3,000 lapsed fans (maybe a little more). assorted friends, mates, casual (no, not that kind ;)) bohs supporters and/or day trippers (maybe 1500) would be about it. a lot (especially neutral or non regular) turn out would depend on weather etc. A Dublin team probably would increase ' neutral interest' but another Cork / Dundalk final would be a 'turn off' for many neutrals (said with the height of respect for the two best teams in the League).

Brusher

18/09/2018, 12:38 PM

To think there were 50,000 at the women's All Ireland Finals on Sunday, surely the push should be on even now to push for a record attendance...by the FAI of course !

marinobohs

18/09/2018, 12:43 PM

To think there were 50,000 at the women's All Ireland Finals on Sunday, surely the push should be on even now to push for a record attendance...by the FAI of course !

crowd will be greatly influenced by weather on the day. Women's bogball is an interesting case study, gone from 3/4000 for a final to last Sundays record crowd. Number of factors - Dublin :D involvement and a very, very heavy promotion campaign. certainly something our League should look at (although not holding my breath on FAI doing anything) even if it is for a one off game.

The Donie Forde

18/09/2018, 1:16 PM

To be fair, it's only a tenner to see the Cup Final. That should be incentive enough, especially for anyone Dublin-based. Maybe the FAI should push this angle more?

marinobohs

18/09/2018, 1:26 PM

To be fair, it's only a tenner to see the Cup Final. That should be incentive enough, especially for anyone Dublin-based. Maybe the FAI should push this angle more?

Lot of free tickets floating about as well (all season ticket holders get access to Premium level). It should definitely be able to 'sell' to a bigger crowd but repetition of Cork V Dundalk a bit of a turn off for neutrals. a different team (or two) would jazz the final up a bit.
Irrespective of whom the finalists are there certainly is potential to promote it better, and the saturation coverage prior to the womens GAA final is a pretty good benchmark.

EatYerGreens

18/09/2018, 1:42 PM

To be fair, it's only a tenner to see the Cup Final. That should be incentive enough, especially for anyone Dublin-based. Maybe the FAI should push this angle more?

Maybe ?! There's no maybe in it at all. The GAA have shown the FAI up by getting a huge crowd along to a woman's gaelic match.

The FAI can't even do a fraction of that for the country's senior men's football/'soccer' final. They're a complete bunch of clampets with no interest in anything beyond the senior international men's team.

outspoken

18/09/2018, 2:09 PM

I remember writing a piece for back page football the year Dundalk and Cork played in the cup final off the back of Dundalk�s amazing European run and how it was the ideal opportunity for the FAI to market the cup final and break attendances records but was wasted through a total lack of marketing or advertising. Got an email from someone within the FAI who took issue with it and asked what the point was. That says all you need to know about them. They�ve zero interest in promoting the league or the cup final. Giving away a few coupons in the daily mail is their idea of marketing.

seand

18/09/2018, 2:22 PM

I remember writing a piece for back page football the year Dundalk and Cork played in the cup final off the back of Dundalk’s amazing European run and how it was the ideal opportunity for the FAI to market the cup final and break attendances records but was wasted through a total lack of marketing or advertising. Got an email from someone within the FAI who took issue with it and asked what the point was. That says all you need to know about them. They’ve zero interest in promoting the league or the cup final. Giving away a few coupons in the daily mail is their idea of marketing.

That's brilliant! I do remember the 2016 cup final in particular as a lost opportunity. Interest/goodwill in the league was at its highest for decades with Dundalk's Europa run but there was little or no promotion of a top-two cup final.

In fairness to the FAI the price point and cross-sell to international ticket holders works well and has kept the attendance healthy since it went to the Aviva, but there's certainly scope for improvement, and 2016 was the time to really push it.

passinginterest

18/09/2018, 2:42 PM

To think there were 50,000 at the women's All Ireland Finals on Sunday, surely the push should be on even now to push for a record attendance...by the FAI of course !

I don't think there's a better example out there of the power of good advertising and promotion. Lidl have played a blinder in terms of promoting the ladies gaelic football. If the FAI could get a sponsor with that level of engagement involved in the FAI cup the attendances would shoot up.

outspoken

18/09/2018, 8:04 PM

I don't think there's a better example out there of the power of good advertising and promotion. Lidl have played a blinder in terms of promoting the ladies gaelic football. If the FAI could get a sponsor with that level of engagement involved in the FAI cup the attendances would shoot up.

Yeah Lidl put some effort in. My sister played in all ireland junior final in crokee a couple of years back, Lidl gave every player �150 worth of health food every week in the build up to the final, came out to their training and did promo videos and all that. How hard would it be for the FAI to do a few video and TV adverts.

Nesta99

18/09/2018, 9:15 PM

I think the Tolka, when it wasn't mostly falling down, had a capacity of close to 10,000.

Naw that was the reduced number of seats in the Ballybough end after that 2002 final, maybe a few in the main stand too.

seand

18/09/2018, 11:16 PM

Official attendance 2002 was 9,900 iirc

nigel-harps1954

19/09/2018, 8:53 AM

Naw that was the reduced number of seats in the Ballybough end after that 2002 final, maybe a few in the main stand too.

Don't recall there ever being more than 10,000 seats in Tolka? I'd have said it was 9,600 all seater at that stage.

LOI101

19/09/2018, 10:54 AM

To think there were 50,000 at the women's All Ireland Finals on Sunday, surely the push should be on even now to push for a record attendance...by the FAI of course !

One aspect of the attendance of Sunday's final that doesn't get reported enough is that every LGFA club in the land is forced to pay a levy (�150 I think) each year for the All-Ireland Final. In return each club gets a voucher they can redeem against tickets to that value. This has a huge knock on effect in increasing the attendance as you can either get 6 adult tickets or 2 adults and 20 kids. If a club is putting a bus on for 22 people they're going to try and fill it and then those people buy additional tickets.

There's also supporters from 6 counties too which definitely helps

joey B

19/09/2018, 8:06 PM

Bohs 2 up in Derry......

shep

19/09/2018, 8:49 PM

So Bohs continue their great form and set up a cup semi final at home to Cork! Wouldn�t say cork are looking forward to that after Friday!!

micls

19/09/2018, 8:55 PM

So Bohs continue their great form and set up a cup semi final at home to Cork! Wouldn’t say cork are looking forward to that after Friday!!

I would hope the players are absolutely delighted to be honest. They have a chance, only 2 weeks later, to redeem themselves somewhat! They should be hurting badly, heres the perfect chance to show what they're actually capable of.

On the other hand, I'm sure Bohs will be flying high on confidence heading into it, and why wouldn't they be.

White Horse

19/09/2018, 9:03 PM

So Bohs continue their great form and set up a cup semi final at home to Cork! Wouldn’t say cork are looking forward to that after Friday!!

Bohs are in great form. I doubt any team relishes playing them in Dalymount at the moment.

It is a great opportunity for Delaney to redeem himself.

micls

19/09/2018, 9:09 PM

Bohs are in great form. I doubt any team relishes playing them in Dalymount at the moment.

It is a great opportunity for Delaney to redeem himself.

I'd be shocked if he starts to be honest.

But a trip back to an in form Bohs or a trip to the brandywell both had their own challenges. Happy that I get to go with it in Dublin anyway.