FAI Cup 2018

[Real ale Madrid]

Genuine question for a Cork fan, whatever people say about the way Cork play (I think the hoofball thing is overdone but they are def not UCD) they haven't changed the way they play in the last couple of months but results have tailed off badly.
What has happened in the last couple of months to change things so markedly ? or is it just a bad run full stop

Everything is tied into that Rosenborg defeat. Of the Previous 12 league games we won 10 d 1 l 1 - the only defeat was the last min away loss in Dundalk. Our confidence took a serious knock there ( Rosenborg games) and for whatever reason we haven't been able to turn it around since. Our lack of pace is a massive problem. Teams can sit in front of us and deal with any threats we have. We still have quality players in the team but probably not enough over the season.

[White Horse]

Looking in from the outside it appears that the signing of Delaney is also a big factor. Cork were built around a tight defence and that disappeared when he came in to the team. The combination of the defence falling apart and the disappointing European campaign has resulted in confidence being on the floor.

Cork are nowhere near as bad as they appear at the moment. Confidence in sport is huge.

[Ezeikial]

It's exactly 1990 Wimbledon. Plough Lane and all. Turgid, dire, utterly one dimensional. Trappatoni meets O'Neill minus quality players. Leading goalscorer on 12 goals. Only one tactic - lump balls at him continuously ala Walter/ Long for Ireland.

I think that is really harsh.

Wimbledon had some creativity.

[CorribsideSteve]

I think that is really harsh.

Wimbledon had some creativity.

How rude of me, quite correct

[The Donie Forde]

well, they have gone through A LOT of names down South. :cool:

Anyway, advantage Cork, but still game on for the replay.


Sure, there's been over twice as many Dublin teams as Cork teams but let's just ignore that...

[The Donie Forde]

Looking in from the outside it appears that the signing of Delaney is also a big factor. Cork were built around a tight defence and that disappeared when he came in to the team. The combination of the defence falling apart and the disappointing European campaign has resulted in confidence being on the floor.Cork are nowhere near as bad as they appear at the moment. Confidence in sport is huge.Delaney has been a huge disappointment, somewhat inexplicably.Our defence has been as issue, constantly changing and his experience was hoped to have been a settling factor. If anything, it has probably had the opposite effect.Bohs mentioned as being very young throughout commentary - which they are - with no reference to three of our back four (after Beattie went off injured) are just 21.We've struggled with clean sheets, we've struggled for a creative element in midfield, struggled with consistency and Cummins, no speed merchant, has been left far too isolated far too often.

[EatYerGreens]

It's exactly 1990 Wimbledon. Plough Lane and all. Turgid, dire, utterly one dimensional. Trappatoni meets O'Neill minus quality players. Leading goalscorer on 12 goals. Only one tactic - lump balls at him continuously ala Walter/ Long for Ireland.

Harsh on Wimbledon there. They finished 8th in 1989/90 and 7th in 1990/91, ahead of a lot of 'big' clubs in both of those years. You don't do that consistently playing the type of football you described.

[The Donie Forde]

Amazingly enough, there's been no online poll about the decision not to red card Cleary for his wild tackle against UCD while the game was still scoreless...

[RathfarnhamHoop]

That was a stone wall red card, no poll needed. Any other clubs and there'd be uproar.

[CorribsideSteve]

Harsh on Wimbledon there. They finished 8th in 1989/90 and 7th in 1990/91, ahead of a lot of 'big' clubs in both of those years. You don't do that consistently playing the type of football you described.

Most teams were playing football like that in those days, it was tactic de jour as much as mullets were haircut de jour. What's disappointing is, 30 years later, it's still being carried out with gusto by the likes of Cork and Ireland as if it was still 1990 and nothing had changed. The 'British Isles style' that's 3 decades out of date.

[micls]

Most teams were playing football like that in those days, it was tactic de jour as much as mullets were haircut de jour. What's disappointing is, 30 years later, it's still being carried out with gusto by the likes of Cork and Ireland as if it was still 1990 and nothing had changed. The 'British Isles style' that's 3 decades out of date.

And yet we won the double last year and have our most successful spell in history. Reality is, no one cares when we're winning. It gets painful when we're losing.

Looking in from the outside it appears that the signing of Delaney is also a big factor. Cork were built around a tight defence and that disappeared when he came in to the team. The combination of the defence falling apart and the disappointing European campaign has resulted in confidence being on the floor.

Cork are nowhere near as bad as they appear at the moment. Confidence in sport is huge.

I think the Delaney thing is overblown a bit. Our defense has been inconsistent all year. We'd one decent patch but before and after we've been all over, with way too many different players and combinations. Our settled defense last year played a huge part, we've struggled without that.
Beattie again went off injured last night which won't help. We started the season with roughly 7 right backs, now we've none.
But yeah, confidence is the main thing. We didn't look like we'd have scored from play if we'd played for another week last night. Cummins missed a chance he'd usually Bury. At one point this year him and Sadlier were both scoring every game. Neither looks like buying a goal in most games at the moment. Spark is gone and we're badly lacking some on field leadership.

Saw what it meant to them to get that equaliser last night, hopefully that gives them a bit of a boost.

[oriel]

Looking in from the outside it appears that the signing of Delaney is also a big factor. Cork were built around a tight defence and that disappeared when he came in to the team. The combination of the defence falling apart and the disappointing European campaign has resulted in confidence being on the floor.

Cork are nowhere near as bad as they appear at the moment. Confidence in sport is huge.

I thought at the time and still do Delaney was not what Cork wanted, at the time they were crying out for a striker (still are) and they took in a soon to be 37 yo central defender. By far their best two in middle is Bennet and McLoughlin, I think Delaney almost disrupted the whole defence in terms of who played where, then again the constant chopping and changing by JC didn't help.

I think Bohs will really go for this next Monday (why won't they) the smart move would be to travel down the night before and prepare properly, most of their players are working i think though, might be hard to arrange. Bohs have an excellent recent away form though, will be very interesting to see the prices for the betting for this one, but I still expect Cork will be odds on.

[blueblood]

Just watching the reply of that penalty on soccer republic if Leahy had his foot any lower Mccarthy would have took leahy head off they were both dangerous I would put it down as accidental no penalty

[micls]

Whether it's accidental or not doesn't impact whether it's a foul though. It's arguments like that and 'he got the ball' that cause frustration. That's not what the rules say.

I actually wouldn't have given a penalty, but I see why it was given and its reasonable to argue it was careless. Which is a penalty. Accidental or not.

[blueblood]

Whether it's accidental or not doesn't impact whether it's a foul though. It's arguments like that and 'he got the ball' that cause frustration. That's not what the rules say.

I actually wouldn't have given a penalty, but I see why it was given and its reasonable to argue it was careless. Which is a penalty. Accidental or not.
Sorry I should have been clearer it was accidental and dangerous (careless) by both players so no penalty imo.

[DCWA]

Long time reader first time poster.

May as well start somewhere so I'll get stuck straight in on the peno debate. Not in a million years!

Shouldn't be critical for Bohs though as they are in good enough form (and Cork bad enough) to go and win in TC.

[marinobohs]

Whether it's accidental or not doesn't impact whether it's a foul though. It's arguments like that and 'he got the ball' that cause frustration. That's not what the rules say.

I actually wouldn't have given a penalty, but I see why it was given and its reasonable to argue it was careless. Which is a penalty. Accidental or not.

Cork player following through after Leahy cleared the ball. Clearly no foul unless the rule is that the attacker has 'right of way' which is patently ridiculous (although appears to be the gist of what the buffoon Rogers told Long after FT). Anyway, irrelevant now as, once again, a game here is more about the buffoon in black than about the teams.
nice to see the 'behind the goals' official makes a difference (how many officials does it take to mess up a LOI game :rolleyes:). still all to play for

[Philosophizer]

Is it possible that the ref could have given an in-direct free kick instead of a penalty?

Leahy clearly won the ball first, but then McCarthy smashed into Leahy's studs. I think it was a foul, because Leahy endangered McCarthy by having his studs up, but it was McCarthy who made contact with Leahy instead of the other way around. Isn't that an indirect free-kick??

Also, I almost never see indirect free-kicks in the box these days. bring back the in-direct free-kick I say. What a 90s throwback that would be...

[micls]

Cork player following through after Leahy cleared the ball. Clearly no foul unless the rule is that the attacker has 'right of way' which is patently ridiculous (although appears to be the gist of what the buffoon Rogers told Long after FT). Anyway, irrelevant now as, once again, a game here is more about the buffoon in black than about the teams.
nice to see the 'behind the goals' official makes a difference (how many officials does it take to mess up a LOI game :rolleyes:). still all to play for

You can say 'clearly no foul' but 50% of people disagree with you. The fact that everyone seems to be adamant it either was 100% a penalty or 100% not a penalty is ridiculous.

Leahy went into a tackle high with his studs up. Surely anyone can accept that an official could consider that careless. Mccarthy was also a high leg, but no studs up and stayed on his feet.

As I said, I probably wouldn't have given it, but I completely understand the argument that it is a penalty and by the description of a careless challenge as per the rules its certainly a decision to be made. It's not ridiculous, it's not 'clearly' anything. If it were, the debate wouldn't still be going on.

1700 people voted in the soccer Republic vote. It was exactly 50/50. Former players are split down the middle.

It's obviously not 'clearly' anything!

[micls]

Is it possible that the ref could have given an in-direct free kick instead of a penalty?

Leahy clearly won the ball first, but then McCarthy smashed into Leahy's studs. I think it was a foul, because Leahy endangered McCarthy by having his studs up, but it was McCarthy who made contact with Leahy instead of the other way around. Isn't that an indirect free-kick??

Also, I almost never see indirect free-kicks in the box these days. bring back the in-direct free-kick I say. What a 90s throwback that would be...

I don't think that holds up. If it's a foul for being careless then by the rules that's a penalty.

[dundalkfc10]

Amazingly enough, there's been no online poll about the decision not to red card Cleary for his wild tackle against UCD while the game was still scoreless...

Because everyone agress it was a red card bar the ref.

Whats not amazing is your bitterness towards Dundalk

[marinobohs]

You can say 'clearly no foul' but 50% of people disagree with you. The fact that everyone seems to be adamant it either was 100% a penalty or 100% not a penalty is ridiculous.

Leahy went into a tackle high with his studs up. Surely anyone can accept that an official could consider that careless. Mccarthy was also a high leg, but no studs up and stayed on his feet.

As I said, I probably wouldn't have given it, but I completely understand the argument that it is a penalty and by the description of a careless challenge as per the rules its certainly a decision to be made. It's not ridiculous, it's not 'clearly' anything. If it were, the debate wouldn't still be going on.

1700 people voted in the soccer Republic vote. It was exactly 50/50. Former players are split down the middle.

It's obviously not 'clearly' anything!

Sorry most people accept it was not a penalty - that is why we are still talking about it days later (apparently even you wouldn't give it). Leahy cleared the ball - cleanly. McCarthy hit him. How can that be a foul ? Unless a free out. Is a defender obliged to get out of his way ? Either both were dangerous or neither were (in which case it is not a penalty) so the careless argument cuts both ways.

As for 'conflicting views' it was embarrassing that McCarthy claimed to have got the first touch. Sheppard trying to get Leahy sent off was, sadly, pretty much par for the course.

Anyway, over and done with now so we move on. Hopefully in the replay Bohs can finish the job that Rogers prevented us completing on Sunday.

[Pablo Escobar]

Anyway, over and done with now so we move on.

I'd really like to believe that :D

[The Donie Forde]

There's a foul by Morrissey on Lunney around 49/50 minutes, almost a carbon copy of Leahy/McCarthy. Every Bohs fan screamed for it, a free was given. It was a fair call. Not even sure Morrissey even made contact but he was high. Lunney was not injured.
You can't have it both ways, Bohs fans. Leahy was reckless. Brave to go for it but it was reckless.

[micls]

Sorry most people accept it was not a penalty - that is why we are still talking about it days later (apparently even you wouldn't give it

No, they don't. The polls done are split right down the middle. Surely you can understand that your 'most' is coloured by interacting more with Bohs fans. For me 'most' are saying it was a penalty.

It's a contentious decision, sure. But the idea that the officials screwed over Bohs is nonsense. It was a tough call, without the benefit of multiple replays. Some people agree with it, others don't. It's far from robbery.

[marinobohs]

No, they don't. The polls done are split right down the middle. Surely you can understand that your 'most' is coloured by interacting more with Bohs fans. For me 'most' are saying it was a penalty.

It's a contentious decision, sure. But the idea that the officials screwed over Bohs is nonsense. It was a tough call, without the benefit of multiple replays. Some people agree with it, others don't. It's far from robbery.

Don't think many would argue that without the 'dodgy' penalty Cork would not have got a draw. Therefore clearly the refs decision determined the outcome - a decision you would not have given (according to yourself !).

[marinobohs]

There's a foul by Morrissey on Lunney around 49/50 minutes, almost a carbon copy of Leahy/McCarthy. Every Bohs fan screamed for it, a free was given. It was a fair call. Not even sure Morrissey even made contact but he was high. Lunney was not injured.
You can't have it both ways, Bohs fans. Leahy was reckless. Brave to go for it but it was reckless.

there was a blatant penalty for a foul in the cork box right on FT which Rogers ignored, if you want to analyse every incident then fine. BOTH players (Leahy and McCarthy had their foot up - either both are reckless or neither are. What part of that can you not get ?

[micls]

there was a blatant penalty for a foul in the cork box right on FT which Rogers ignored, if you want to analyse every incident then fine. BOTH players (Leahy and McCarthy had their foot up - either both are reckless or neither are. What part of that can you not get ?

He disagreement isnt that one didn't have their feet high. The difference is that leahy had studs up and dived in. That's what made the difference. That's what likely made them think Leahy was being careless.

Of course the refs decision decided the outcome. But that doesn't make it disgraceful or robbed. Refs decisions regularly impact outcomes. It was a decision that could have gone either way. It went against ye. That's frustrating. But it's also football. It wasnt clearcut either way.

[micls]

But you're right, this will just go round and round in circles, as it has on twitter. It is what it is.

See you Monday!

[marinobohs]

But you're right, this will just go round and round in circles, as it has on twitter. It is what it is.

See you Monday!

Anyway, all pretty futile as the only opinion that counts was Rogers (unfortunately).Whatever the outcome Monday lets hope we are talking about a good match and not some controversial ref decision (for a change). Hopefully a decent crowd and a bit of atmosphere. The fact its not on TV might boost the crowd although Monday night is hardly ideal. should be fun !

[micls]

Yeah, hopeful for a better crowd than last years semi, but who knows on a Monday. How many do you think will travel?

[osarusan]

BOTH players (Leahy and McCarthy had their foot up - either both are reckless or neither are. What part of that can you not get ?
Seriously, come on FFS. I can understand people not thinking it's a penalty for other reasons, but you cannot just ignore the fact that one went in with studs up and the other didn't. Their actions were not the same in terms of carelessness, so the 'both were careless or neither were careless' is nonsense.

[oriel]

Because everyone agress it was a red card bar the ref.

Whats not amazing is your bitterness towards Dundalk

100% correct, Cleary should have been sent off for that tackle. We should have had a pen after when Gannon was pulled back, but not taking anything away from Cleary, he was damn lucky to have stayed on the park. Madness going in like that, and would have been the first sending off of the year on the pitch I think? (Hoare was sent off in the tunnel after Rovers 1-2 defeat)

[brendy_éire]

Yeah, hopeful for a better crowd than last years semi, but who knows on a Monday. How many do you think will travel?

They took 300 to the Brandywell for the quarter-final on a Wednesday. Should easily beat on Monday.

[The Donie Forde]

there was a blatant penalty for a foul in the cork box right on FT which Rogers ignored, if you want to analyse every incident then fine. BOTH players (Leahy and McCarthy had their foot up - either both are reckless or neither are. What part of that can you not get ?

I get the rule just fine, bud.
To be honest, you're the one that's actually struggling with it.
But whatever.

[marinobohs]

Yeah, hopeful for a better crowd than last years semi, but who knows on a Monday. How many do you think will travel?

would hope we can shift the 500 tickets Cork have given us. Possibly more, difficult to tell at this stage.

[marinobohs]

Seriously, come on FFS. I can understand people not thinking it's a penalty for other reasons, but you cannot just ignore the fact that one went in with studs up and the other didn't. Their actions were not the same in terms of carelessness, so the 'both were careless or neither were careless' is nonsense.

One player got the ball - Leahy, one player kicked an opponent - McCarthy (unintentionally) presumably you can ignore that ? Anyway, as has been said, time to move on, most LOI games are a litany of poor decisions just unfortunate when they are so influential to the outcome. Hopefully there will be a clearer outcome to the replay.

[Philosophizer]

Big blow to Bohs chances of making the final now - https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/further-frustration-for-bohemians-as-duo-are-ruled-out-of-fai-cup-semifinal-replay-through-suspension-37377196.html

Surprised Kelly has 5 cards, doesn't seem like the type of player who makes a lot of challenges...

[micls]

It helps us, but I'm not a fan of yellows that we're gotten in the league meaning someone misses a cup semi. It's very harsh. I remember us being absolutely gutted for Neal Horgan who missed the 2007 final due to getting 5 yellows all season.

No one should miss a cup semi because of the timing of the semi. Let them serve it in the league.

[Dalymountrower]

It helps us, but I'm not a fan of yellows that we're gotten in the league meaning someone misses a cup semi. It's very harsh. I remember us being absolutely gutted for Neal Horgan who missed the 2007 final due to getting 5 yellows all season.

No one should miss a cup semi because of the timing of the semi. Let them serve it in the league.

Big losses, Stokes/Danny Grant in and Cornwall for Casey.
Hopefully the Under 19's aren't too wrecked after the Danish away game tomorrow night, would love to see Ali Reghba and Promise Omocheo(?) being given a run in Cork for the semi.

[TonyD]

Big losses, Stokes/Danny Grant in and Cornwall for Casey.
Hopefully the Under 19's aren't too wrecked after the Danish away game tomorrow night, would love to see Ali Reghba and Promise Omocheo(?) being given a run in Cork for the semi.

That Ali Reghba seems a real talent going by his performance against us. I was surprised to hear he is only 19. Big and strong and held on to the ball really well, even apart from his goals.

[SkStu]

I'd really like to believe that :D

this aged well. :)

(no peno for me but watching at the time thought "oh b*ll*cks")

[Dalymountrower]

Bohs have announced that an extra 100 away tickets being released by CCFFC and will be on sale tonight. Not sure if that means the original allocation of 500 has sold out?

RTE has also announced live TV coverage of the replay with an earlier kick off at 7:30.

[Kingswood Rover]

Almost like to see Bohs win just to have a different feel to the final

[sidcon]

The 500 sold out Thursday, we got an extra 100 and they sold out as well this morning, we currently have a director going to Cork to get 100 tickets to sell at tonight's match.
700 fans on a Monday night and still being on TV is incredible.

[micls]

The 500 sold out Thursday, we got an extra 100 and they sold out as well this morning, we currently have a director going to Cork to get 100 tickets to sell at tonight's match.
700 fans on a Monday night and still being on TV is incredible.

Absolutely fantastic support. A credit to the club and fans.

[patrickccfc]

The 500 sold out Thursday, we got an extra 100 and they sold out as well this morning, we currently have a director going to Cork to get 100 tickets to sell at tonight's match.
700 fans on a Monday night and still being on TV is incredible.

That's brilliant. Been quite a while since I've seen such an away crowd at the cross. Glentoran in the Setanta Cup final filled the derrynane road stand, that's the most I've seen. Should be a great atmosphere again like last Sunday.

[Nesta99]

That's brilliant. Been quite a while since I've seen such an away crowd at the cross. Glentoran in the Setanta Cup final filled the derrynane road stand, that's the most I've seen. Should be a great atmosphere again like last Sunday.

What could have been with a bigger ticket allocation a few weeks ago. I know cup games differ with ticket allocations but far more than then initial 300 or then 450 (plus ticketmaster chancers) would have travelled. That aside it is great to see Bohs take suh a crowd down on a Monday, the rest of the ground will no doubt be hopping too and with it being on tv the old adage of 'great advertisment for the league' might ring true. Lets hope the match lives up to the billing. Doesnt have to be full of quality just a full blooded cup tie. If Bohs play like they did in Dalymount at all and Cork show up at home as normal, it has the makings of a great match to anticipate.

[Ezeikial]

The 500 sold out Thursday, we got an extra 100 and they sold out as well this morning, we currently have a director going to Cork to get 100 tickets to sell at tonight's match.
700 fans on a Monday night and still being on TV is incredible.

It really does highlight the level of BS that was coming out of Cork as to why it was impossible to accommodate any more than 500 Dundalk fans at the recent league match at Turners Cross.

Great support from Bohs fans - fair play to all travelling

[CityBoy]

It really does highlight the level of BS that was coming out of Cork as to why it was impossible to accommodate any more than 500 Dundalk fans at the recent league match at Turners Cross.

Great support from Bohs fans - fair play to all travelling

We sent up more tickets. Your club just didnt distribute them the way ye wanted. Not our fault.