FAI Cup 2018 [Archive] - Page 10

Nesta99

01/10/2018, 12:32 AM

Definite penalty can't go in like that

What get in quick and poke the ball away? I dont even think it was a rash attempt to clear the ball and the defender got a good kick for getting the ball away. That it hurt the attacker more and went over in the box doesnt make it a foul. Both players' leading foot were same height albeit one player on the ground heading more side on. The only way that was given is that without the benefit of a second look it may have looked as if the attacking player was fouled first, but if there is doubt it shouldnt be awarded. I felt the ref had a good position and angle to see it all and wasnt giving anything until the additional assistant swayed things. Anyway one of the great things about football is how people see the same incidents differently. It's done now and they will all go again. Bohs should be confident in the replay but I think they missed their chance tonight.

pineapple stu

01/10/2018, 6:35 AM

Here's the video - https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1046469060400046080

For me, still not a penalty. Clear contact on the ball to nick it away, didn't initiate contact with the player (in fact, the Cork player kicked him), and foot not high up enough to be dangerous.

patrickccfc

01/10/2018, 6:50 AM

Aside from the penalty decision, there was a lovely moment when the bohs fans sang "Ginger Mourinho" to which we responded with a chant of "There's only one Oran Tully"

We then sang "There's only one Liam Miller" which I think the bohs fans joined in with(?)

White Horse

01/10/2018, 7:03 AM

The penalty decision will dominate reaction to the game but a noteworthy feature of the game was how much better Bohs were.

Cork bombarded Bohs will long balls in the first 20 minutes and it took Bohs time to settle after that aerial barrage. However, once they did, they controlled the game and only for some excellent saves from McNulty would have been out of sight.

Real ale Madrid

01/10/2018, 8:20 AM

Pablo Escobar

01/10/2018, 8:34 AM

White Horse

01/10/2018, 8:40 AM

Foot in the air, studs up, definite penalty, "he got the ball" as said before is irrelevant.

My issue with that is two players had their feet in the air and two players had their studs up. But the foul is awarded against the player who played the ball??

Bohs paid the price for not reflecting their dominance and superiority on the scoreboard.

It will be a fascinating replay and Bohs should enjoy playing on a better surface, it looked very difficult to control the ball on the Dalymount surface yesterday.

Cork also cannot play as bad again, and they will have a packed stadium behind them.

Real ale Madrid

01/10/2018, 8:56 AM

My issue with that is two players had their feet in the air and two players had their studs up. But the foul is awarded against the player who played the ball??

Mccarthy's leg collided with the Leahy studs pointed in the air - he was lucky not to be badly injured. It was reckless at worst, careless at best. I can't for the life of me see the issue - but i would say that I suppose.

Dalymountrower

01/10/2018, 8:58 AM

I love going to Dalymount and the atmosphere last night was great. We were awful again, it's depressing. The sum-of-the-parts should be better than that. On a positive note, we were the better side for the first 30 minutes. We were totally flat in the second half with no obvious game plan throughout. Alas, we're still there and the game must now finish at Turners Cross which is an absolutely huge advantage.

The penalty was correct if you apply the law. But I'd feel aggrieved too if the shoe was on the other foot. Probably more so towards the player for the sheer stupidity of the challenge.

And our guy with the ****ing rocket launcher. Cop the **** on!
Probably a peno Leahy wasn't in full control of tackle even thoughhe got the ball.
Last move of the match also looked a peno to me but Rogers was never going to give it.
Pressure will all be on Cork in the replay, as long as it's a football match rather than the usual hoof fest down there , Bohs have a chance.Should have about 500 travelling fans down so athmo will be good.
Agreed, smoke and flares are one thing but firing rockets was crazy , how the psychopath could fire off 3/4 of them and not be stopped is hard to fathom.

Pablo Escobar

01/10/2018, 9:19 AM

Agreed, smoke and flares are one thing but firing rockets was crazy , how the psychopath could fire off 3/4 of them and not be stopped is hard to fathom.

I've never seen anything like it before. It was totally wreckless. If you do that on the street you're doing prison time. If one of those hit a fan or a player it could kill them. I can't get my head around the sheer stupidity of people sometimes.

pineapple stu

01/10/2018, 9:43 AM

Mccarthy's leg collided with the Leahy studs pointed in the air - he was lucky not to be badly injured. It was reckless at worst, careless at best. I can't for the life of me see the issue - but i would say that I suppose.
Flip it around - McCarthy kicked Leahy so hard he injured himself. Should be a free out.

I think the defender was entitled to go for the ball; he was clearly playing for it, he nicked it quite cleanly away from the attacker (who was a defender, but let's not bring that confusion into it!) and made no contact whatsoever with the Cork player. It definitely wasn't careless; I think it was actually a very careful nick to deflect the ball cleanly away.

White Horse

01/10/2018, 9:45 AM

Flip it around - McCarthy kicked Leahy so hard he injured himself. Should be a free out.

I think the defender was entitled to go for the ball; he was clearly playing for it, he nicked it quite cleanly away from the attacker (who was a defender, but let's not bring that confusion into it!) and made no contact whatsoever with the Cork player. It definitely wasn't careless; I think it was actually a very careful nick to deflect the ball cleanly away.

That is my issue. All the charges of carelessness could also be levied at McCarthy.

osarusan

01/10/2018, 9:49 AM

I think the defender was entitled to go for the ball; he was clearly playing for it, he nicked it quite cleanly away from the attacker (who was a defender, but let's not bring that confusion into it!) and made no contact whatsoever with the Cork player. It definitely wasn't careless; I think it was actually a very careful nick to deflect the ball cleanly away.

You can argue that the Cork player was the one who caused the contact more than the Bohs player alright, as he was really swinging his boot forward.

But for me it doesn't matter, as it doesn't matter that he was going for the ball, and even that he got the ball, because it's going to be considered dangerous play.

Once you go in high (and it was high, knee high at least) (https://i.imgur.com/uBsKxc5.jpg) with your studs up like that, and there is contact, it's going to be considered dangerous play.

I can have a certain amount of sympathy for him as he didn't lunge in or have the whole weight of his body behind him, or have a straight leg with studs up. It did look more like a flick to clear the ball before the Cork player got to it. But regardless, flicking it away in the manner that he did left him with studs up at knee height at the moment of contact, and that is careless - if you are going in high with studs up you'd better be damn careful to avoid any kind of contact, because if it happens, you'll be punished.

patrickccfc

01/10/2018, 9:49 AM

Wasn't there a fan killed by a flare gun at a Wales match years ago? Absolutely lethal and how someone could be so stupid to bring one to a football match is beyond me.

marinobohs

01/10/2018, 9:54 AM

�Singing section� more like �whinging section � at the end - never a penalty dreadful decision -

Shams know all about 'whinging' at Dalymount, the only difference is we didn't sneak out early or abuse our own players at FT .:cool:

On the game, great performance by Bohs and with a little more clinical finishing even the (almost guaranteed) officials mess up wouldn't have saved Cork. Expect little better from Rogers, a clown among LOI refs (and that is saying something), talking before the match most just hoped his screw ups, and it was given there would be screw-ups would not be game changers. Never a penalty - anyone would think Delaneys Donkeys (the FAIlures) want another 'dream final' :rolleyes:. Cork very poor on the day with little to offer except hoofball, except for first 20 minutes or so and once Bohs got going they were the betr team until Rogers intervened.

Still all to play for in the replay but advantage Cork thanks to the buffoon in black.

pineapple stu

01/10/2018, 9:58 AM

I've never seen anything like it before. It was totally wreckless. If you do that on the street you're doing prison time. If one of those hit a fan or a player it could kill them. I can't get my head around the sheer stupidity of people sometimes.
I thought you were talking about the penalty incident with this. I was wondering what the hell incident you were watching!

pineapple stu

01/10/2018, 10:01 AM

if you are going in high with studs up you'd better be damn careful to avoid any kind of contact, because if it happens, you'll be punished.
He was careful to avoid any kind of contact. In fact, he did. It can hardly be his fault that the other player kicked him, can it?

Bring the challenge down two feet (excuse the pun!) It's a clean sliding tackle and the attacker kicks him. Free out surely?

I get that there's an issue of not just what the tackle did, but what it could do, and so a proper lunge could be a red even if there's no contact. But for me, that was a very careful and clean nick on the ball to get it clear of danger, with no real chance of causing any injury to the attacker (who injured himself)

Though it is at times like this you'd like to see more referees on commentary panels - or at least have co-commentators who have done a refereeing course.

marinobohs

01/10/2018, 10:03 AM

Foot in the air, studs up, definite penalty, "he got the ball" as said before is irrelevant.

Bohs have only themselves to blame - created plenty chances to win the game and didn't take them.

We battled hard but will be up against it again next Monday for sure. I hope we win three cup finals to stuff it to those who are constantly sticking it to us as the way we play - we are direct but there are some around who are totally blinkered as if its 1990 Wimbledon they are watching.

Cork player kicked HIM, that irrelevant too ? he cleared the ball and the Cork player kicked through him, never a penalty and the lack of any great shout from the players pretty much proved it. Cork did well to hang in the match or Rogers screw up would be irrelevant, and yes, their brand of football is little better then Wimbledon 1990. It works for them but it is still a blight on the game as a spectacle.

osarusan

01/10/2018, 10:24 AM

He was careful to avoid any kind of contact. In fact, he did.

There was contact, so he obviously didn't avoid it. They are both responsible for the contact, by both putting their feet in that position. The difference is that one had studs up and one didn't. He beat the Cork player to the ball by a fraction of a second, with the contact coming another fraction later - nowhere near enough to say that his tackle was clean and he avoided contact and that his part in things just ends there.

Bring the tackle down two feet* and now a sliding flicked toepoke away doesn't come with studs up. Cork player makes contact with the defender's toe, not his studs. It's probably a corner. Possibly a free out.

(*which would mean the tackle is at least 2 feet off the ground, and definitely high enough to be dangerous)

micls

01/10/2018, 10:48 AM

Cork also cannot play as bad again, and they will have a packed stadium behind them.
We keep thinking that and keep proving ourselves wrong. Actually thought we play well first half. Second half was a shambles.

Also, no chance of a full house on a Monday night.

Cork player kicked HIM, that irrelevant too ? he cleared the ball and the Cork player kicked through him, never a penalty and the lack of any great shout from the players pretty much proved it. Cork did well to hang in the match or Rogers screw up would be irrelevant, and yes, their brand of football is little better then Wimbledon 1990. It works for them but it is still a blight on the game as a spectacle.

No shout from players? Come off it ffs.

Real ale Madrid

01/10/2018, 10:51 AM

Flip it around - McCarthy kicked Leahy so hard he injured himself. Should be a free out.

I think the defender was entitled to go for the ball; he was clearly playing for it, he nicked it quite cleanly away from the attacker (who was a defender, but let's not bring that confusion into it!) and made no contact whatsoever with the Cork player. It definitely wasn't careless; I think it was actually a very careful nick to deflect the ball cleanly away.

Its like we watched two completely different incidents. Its probably best I step away due to bias at this stage.

Real ale Madrid

01/10/2018, 10:57 AM

. It works for them but it is still a blight on the game as a spectacle.

This is the sort of b0ll0cksology that I'm talking about - a blight on the game! Ridiculous.

Bohs have gone on a decent run for a few months and they are branding themselves the saviors of football all of a sudden.

White Horse

01/10/2018, 11:00 AM

Bohs have gone on a decent run for a few months and they are branding themselves the saviors of football all of a sudden.

They were a joy to watch yesterday, as were UCD on Friday.

Cork showed good industry in the first 30 minutes of the game but no one enjoys looking at a team constantly punting the ball 60 yards up the pitch.

Real ale Madrid

01/10/2018, 11:08 AM

They were a joy to watch yesterday, as were UCD on Friday.

Cork showed good industry in the first 30 minutes of the game but no one enjoys looking at a team constantly punting the ball 60 yards up the pitch.

Hey listen - you don't have to tell me how we play - I have to watch us every week! But seriously teams string a few passes together and its 70s Ajax - UCD didn't have a shot at goal last Friday. In fairness it was a good effort from them. Bohs fans getting all high and mighty at us it just a bit much. We are in a bit of rut at the moment but we haven't been playing like that all the time yet we are now " a blight on the game " FFS!

marinobohs

01/10/2018, 11:09 AM

This is the sort of b0ll0cksology that I'm talking about - a blight on the game! Ridiculous.

Bohs have gone on a decent run for a few months and they are branding themselves the saviors of football all of a sudden.

Nope, just expect highly paid, full time footballers to have a little more than hoofing the ball up the pitch.

passinginterest

01/10/2018, 11:21 AM

After nearly 1700 votes on the soccer republic twitter poll it's 50/50 pen or no pen. I've just seen it for the first time and I think it's a pen. Any contact with an opponent when studs are up and the foot is that high is going to be a free, doesn't matter that the Cork player kicked him, the Cork player was attacking the ball studs down, Bohs player was studs up. That's a foul to me.

Real ale Madrid

01/10/2018, 11:24 AM

Nope, just expect highly paid, full time footballers to have a little more than hoofing the ball up the pitch.

Its just lazy analysis thats all - After we beat Derry 5-0, Bray (3-0 up after 30 mins) and the great away win in Waterford in July / August - no one was questioning our tactics at that stage. But for whatever reason - we haven't won a game in the league since. I reckon the Rosenborg games really knocked our confidence and we have struggled badly since then - but form is temporary - and its hard to take this sort of rubbish from perennial relegation candidates just because they have gone on a decent run. I like watching Bohs and id love to see them win the IRN BRU - but spare us the superiority complex.

oriel

01/10/2018, 11:32 AM

I was hoping Bohs would win as wanted a different team in the final (no offence Cork, but you would be thinking the exact same if vice versa), not even sure Cork deserved a draw really, they were on top first 15, but seemed to struggle after.

The replay should be interesting, had to actually check this am when Cork last won a significant game at home (removing Maynooth), I think it was late July, v Derry, that’s incredible really for defending champions.

Bohs will fancy this still, but Cork will be odds on for sure.

wexfordned

01/10/2018, 11:34 AM

Its just lazy analysis thats all - After we beat Derry 5-0, Bray (3-0 up after 30 mins) and the great away win in Waterford in July / August - no one was questioning our tactics at that stage. But for whatever reason - we haven't won a game in the league since. I reckon the Rosenborg games really knocked our confidence and we have struggled badly since then - but form is temporary - and its hard to take this sort of rubbish from perennial relegation candidates just because they have gone on a decent run. I like watching Bohs and id love to see them win the IRN BRU - but spare us the superiority complex.

Cork really do play a dreadful brand of football. Watching that hoofball every week must be soul destroying stuff. How can a full time team, with such a big budget sign players to play such a limited and negative brand of long ball football. If it wasn't for set pieces they would never score based on their last two games against Bohs

It was never a penalty. Both players had their feet swinging for the ball at the same height, but because the Bohs player plays the ball and Cork player kick's him it's a penalty. Joke of decison. The sad part is although the ref got dogs abuse, neither he or the linesman were going to give the penalty. It was the waste of space official behind the goal who signalled for it.

Real ale Madrid

01/10/2018, 11:38 AM

Cork really do play a dreadful brand of football. Watching that hoofball every week must be soul destroying stuff. How can a full time team, with such a big budget sign players to play such a limited and negative brand of long ball football. If it wasn't for set pieces they would never score based on their last two games against Bohs

It was never a penalty. Both players had their feet swinging for the ball at the same height, but because the Bohs player plays the ball and Cork player kick's him it's a penalty. Joke of decison. The sad part is although the ref got dogs abuse, neither he or the linesman were going to give the penalty. It was the waste of space official behind the goal who signalled for it.

Just to point out that both of our goals in the 4-2 defeat to Bohs a few weeks back were from open play. Both headers. This post just re-inforces the lazy narrative that is out there about us - we don't play football to the extent that Dundalk do so we are branded as a long ball team as a result.

wexfordned

01/10/2018, 11:40 AM

Comedy gold from Conor McCarthy on rte website. I used to think Neymar was the biggest baby on a football pitch. Not anymore....

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018/0930/999089-mccarthy-feared-tackle-had-caused-serious-injury/

wexfordned

01/10/2018, 11:44 AM

Just to point out that both of our goals in the 4-2 defeat to Bohs a few weeks back were from open play. Both headers. This post just re-inforces the lazy narrative that is out there about us - we don't play football to the extent that Dundalk do so we are branded as a long ball team as a result.

Sorry 1st was from a corner that wasn't cleared. I can only base cork's tactics on what I see and I saw ALOT of long ball in the 2 bohs games (also Dundalk on tv). If Cork don't play the long ball game as you claim, then what is their style of play because I couldn't see any other tactic in the bohs games or against Dundalk and at this is at the end of the season

marinobohs

01/10/2018, 11:44 AM

Just to point out that both of our goals in the 4-2 defeat to Bohs a few weeks back were from open play. Both headers. This post just re-inforces the lazy narrative that is out there about us - we don't play football to the extent that Dundalk do so we are branded as a long ball team as a result.

if you think pointing out the hoofball tactics everyone saw yesterday is 'lazy narrative' then try taking your Cork goggles off. Cork are a big physical team and tried to use that by hoofing the ball up, and for the first 30 minutes or so it worked.Once Bohs copped on to that they had little or nothing to offer and, yes, as a spectacle it is appalling to watch.

CityBoy

01/10/2018, 11:53 AM

Some laugh at Bohs fans looking down their noses at City after 10 good games.

Real ale Madrid

01/10/2018, 12:04 PM

if you think pointing out the hoofball tactics everyone saw yesterday is 'lazy narrative' then try taking your Cork goggles off. Cork are a big physical team and tried to use that by hoofing the ball up, and for the first 30 minutes or so it worked.Once Bohs copped on to that they had little or nothing to offer and, yes, as a spectacle it is appalling to watch.

I thought we mixed up our play ok in the first half yesterday - second best by a long way in the 2nd. Bohs are a fine footballing side and yes we have been disappointing of late. Repeating myself now - making a spectacle of myself! Like FC Cork Dons - which is what I expect the next reincarnation of football here will be called.

marinobohs

01/10/2018, 12:37 PM

I thought we mixed up our play ok in the first half yesterday - second best by a long way in the 2nd. Bohs are a fine footballing side and yes we have been disappointing of late. Repeating myself now - making a spectacle of myself! Like FC Cork Dons - which is what I expect the next reincarnation of football here will be called.

well, they have gone through A LOT of names down South. :cool:

Anyway, advantage Cork, but still game on for the replay.

Ezeikial

01/10/2018, 12:49 PM

. I hope we win three cup finals to stuff it to those who are constantly sticking it to us as the way we play

Not for the joy of winning a major trophy?

wexfordned

01/10/2018, 12:58 PM

Not for the joy of winning a major trophy?

Cork fans have had the joy sucked out of them long ago watching that style of football every week

marinobohs

01/10/2018, 1:03 PM

Some laugh at Bohs fans looking down their noses at City after 10 good games.

Commenting on your appalling version of football is not 'looking down' at Cork city, it is simply stating a fact irrespective of who the observer supports. would it be OK for a Dundalk fan to point out the obvious ? and do let us know what is the criteria required to pass comment on a particular teams style ? I thought that was what a football forum was about.

Real ale Madrid

01/10/2018, 1:29 PM

Not for the joy of winning a major trophy?

As well like :cool:

Dalymountrower

01/10/2018, 1:38 PM

What`s the due date for the overblown Forum row on away tickets for the replay? Just trying to sort out my work schedule this week.

Real ale Madrid

01/10/2018, 1:46 PM

What`s the due date for the overblown Forum row on away tickets for the replay? Just trying to sort out my work schedule this week.

Looks like Bohs allocation will sell out late Thursday. There will be an initial refusal for extra tickets probably early Friday so expect the faeces to hit the fan Friday evening.

sbgawa

01/10/2018, 2:36 PM

Given how a cork victory will take the pressure off us in terms of qualifying for the euro millions I reckon we won't be kicking any of you boys on Friday in Tallaght.
Gentle bit of pushing and shoving allowed but nothing to strenuous.

Scrufil

01/10/2018, 2:38 PM

At least that clears up what the players were looking at for the corner. It was firework rockets I assume were let off?

The penalty is a wierd one. I called penalty straight away on first view but my wife on first view said no way for a peno he got the ball. I tended to agree with her once I watched the replay. However the idea of studs up does change the equation a lot.

That said I thought Cork were lucky to get away with a fair bit of off the ball fouling in the first 30 minutes.

I thought it hilarious that the Bohs player who got man of the match (his name escapes me at the minute) described Cork as a hoof the ball type team.

Philosophizer

01/10/2018, 3:16 PM

I gotta say Bohs played plenty of long ball stuff too at times yesterday, altho it was nearly all from Casey - the rest of the back 4 generally try to pass it out unless they're under major pressure to get rid.

Casey seems a bit uncomfortable with the ball at his feel so has a tendency to hoof. But he's probably not instructed to do it as much as he does. I saw Buckley giving him a bollocking for it on more than one occassion...

CorribsideSteve

01/10/2018, 3:19 PM

Foot in the air, studs up, definite penalty, "he got the ball" as said before is irrelevant.

Bohs have only themselves to blame - created plenty chances to win the game and didn't take them.

We battled hard but will be up against it again next Monday for sure. I hope we win three cup finals to stuff it to those who are constantly sticking it to us as the way we play - we are direct but there are some around who are totally blinkered as if its 1990 Wimbledon they are watching.

It's exactly 1990 Wimbledon. Plough Lane and all. Turgid, dire, utterly one dimensional. Trappatoni meets O'Neill minus quality players. Leading goalscorer on 12 goals. Only one tactic - lump balls at him continuously ala Walter/ Long for Ireland.

Jack B

01/10/2018, 3:29 PM

Thought it was a penalty myself at first but it's seemingly done the closest thing to finding a grey area in the rules going off of the widespread debate and that 50/50 poll Soccer Republic or whoever it was had up. One of those where I'd shout for it if it was for me but throw a wobbler if it was against me, but it's a poor decision from Leahy regardless to go in the way he did in this day and age.

Absolute robbery anyway for Cork to get out of there with a replay all the same, Bohs should have already made it so the penalty would have been irrelevant.

sbgawa

01/10/2018, 3:41 PM

Genuine question for a Cork fan, whatever people say about the way Cork play (I think the hoofball thing is overdone but they are def not UCD) they haven't changed the way they play in the last couple of months but results have tailed off badly.
What has happened in the last couple of months to change things so markedly ? or is it just a bad run full stop