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Charlie Darwin
20/04/2011, 4:11 PM
Sligo Rovers have 2000 or so support so Terryland would be fine. Atmosphere would be better too and season ticket holders would have priority to tickets ensuring loyal support.
Terryland is rundown. It is not fit to run a final of any competition. Plus away fans are always more likely to travel to Dublin than any of the smaller cities and towns around the country, including Cork.
HomerJay
20/04/2011, 4:45 PM
Give the final to tolka
give it a lost hoorah , it is big enough 10,000?
It'd be a great final there and it would be the last major event ever held there.
Simple.
mypost
20/04/2011, 5:20 PM
There are plenty of grounds I would choose to host a final over Tolka. Game can't be played in Lansdowne. The UEFA Cup Final is 4 days later, and UEFA won't want the pitch in even worse condition than it has been lately, or if relaid, certainly not a game played on a brand new surface.
Regarding choice of kits, there shouldn't need to be a choice. White shirts don't clash with Green-And-White Hoops. Never have, never will. Both teams should be able to wear their home kits.
As for Sligo fans moaning about our "home advantage", wasn't their League Cup Final last year at "home"? Suppose that was alright though. It will be in Tallaght, we will be at home, and it will be a Saturday evening. Just like the good old - well 2009 - days.
poster
20/04/2011, 6:01 PM
When will this be announced?
Sorry, can't be arsed going back through pages of what I'm sure is riveting stuff.
As long as Ian Foster is in charge, Dundalk will be no more than middling. Doesn't matter where the final is, Dundalk can't beat that Shams team. BTW, the final is in Tallaght, so he'll have an excuse.
Dunno about that, one off game ? Cup final, plus we beat them 3 times in the league last year, and twice comprehensively. They have a very good team, no doubt about it, and they will probably win the lge, but I`d say we have a very good chance in this game, regardless of the venue, our first cup final since 2002, so we`ll be up for it.
When will this be announced?
Sorry, can't be arsed going back through pages of what I'm sure is riveting stuff.
Our Communications Manager posted this yesterday:
Setanta Sports Cup Final
No announcement has been made by the Setanta Sports Cup Committee about either the venue or kick off time of the final, although the date is confirmed as Saturday 14 May.
Ultimately that committee have the right to decide the venue and it is obvious that the options available are limited - Aviva and RDS have already been ruled out as possibilities.
The club will be strongly advocating a neutrel venue or alternatively the venue to be decided by the toss of a coin. If it were to be played at either Tallaght, Showgrounds or Oriel Park the match arrangements would be controlled by the Setanta Sports Cup Commitee and we would expect ticketing, team kit, dressing room allocation etc to be would operated in line with that.
A decision is expected in the days ahead.
Best regards
Colm Crosson
Ah who gives a f *ck where it is...it will be a great day out regardless!!! Most Dundalk fans know it will prob be in Tallaght and i dont think many care provided we get an equal share of tickets.Most disappointing venue for me would be Oriel cos it just wouldnt feel like a cup final and would take away from the buzz of the occasion for me
100% agree, I want this in Dublin for a cup final 'buzz' and a day out - prob a night stay over. So NO to oriel !!!!!!
Regarding choice of kits, there shouldn't need to be a choice. White shirts don't clash with Green-And-White Hoops. Never have, never will. Both teams should be able to wear their home kits.
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http://www.visit4info.com/sitecontent/LG/fullZZZZZZTVC090201201855PDC.jpg
El-Pietro
20/04/2011, 8:43 PM
to those who dont want the cup at home, i can see where you are coming from, but i disagree
ive been lucky enough to see City lift three trophies at Turners Cross and each was fantastic and I was delighted the games were there rather than anywhere else.
it feels special winning a cup and lifting a trophy at home
mypost
20/04/2011, 9:06 PM
http://www.visit4info.com/sitecontent/LG/fullZZZZZZTVC090201201855PDC.jpg
What's that about?
1st time post
20/04/2011, 9:41 PM
The last 5 pages of this thread sum up how ridiculous this place has got recently.
The last 5 pages of this thread sum up how ridiculous this place has got recently.
agreed.
The numbers of people posting on this website has dropped hugely in the last 6 months or so in my opinion.
Cuyahoga
20/04/2011, 10:02 PM
It has become a slagging fest.
football fan
20/04/2011, 10:16 PM
Regarding choice of kits, there shouldn't need to be a choice. White shirts don't clash with Green-And-White Hoops. Never have, never will. Both teams should be able to wear their home kits.
Shamrock Rovers V Real Madrid!! Rovers ended up playing in their purple away gear as referee deemed white shirts Clashed with green and white hoops!!.............
SkStu
20/04/2011, 10:24 PM
Shamrock Rovers V Real Madrid!! Rovers ended up playing in their purple away gear as referee deemed white shirts Clashed with green and white hoops!!.............
Buttimer? :)
mypost
20/04/2011, 10:27 PM
Shamrock Rovers V Real Madrid!! Rovers ended up playing in their purple away gear as referee deemed white shirts Clashed with green and white hoops!!.............
Alan Kelly is a law unto himself. Doesn't mean that green-and-white clashes with all white. Kelly would have a big problem reffing a Milan Derby.
Guinney
20/04/2011, 10:36 PM
As long as Ian Foster is in charge, Dundalk will be no more than middling. Doesn't matter where the final is, Dundalk can't beat that Shams team. BTW, the final is in Tallaght, so he'll have an excuse.
Quote from Foster, looks like he has no problems playing the final in Tallaght.
"I don’t mind playing in Tallaght. As long as the grounds neutral, as long as we get 50% of the gate and as long as there’s a toss up for what kit we wear then I’ll play the final anywhere."
http://blackandwhitetown.tumblr.com/post/4730400487/i-dont-mind-playing-in-tallaght-as-long-as-the
avvenalaf
20/04/2011, 10:54 PM
It should prevent you from stating that Dundalk have no chance even if it were true. The only truth I can see here is that you are (and I hate myself for saying this) a bitter dude cos shams spanked Rovers. Get with the program and give respect to Dundalk.
Child, it is precisely because of the manner in which Shams spanked Rovers that I can state with certainty that Dundalk have no chance of winning that final.
HulaHoop
20/04/2011, 11:05 PM
In fairness to mypost it was always the case up until a few years ago that in a Rovers v Dundalk match both teams would wear their home kit.
http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked-b/Library/SF84/095345.jpg
http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked-b/Library/SF68/075466.jpg
It's only in the last few years LOI refs have gotten OTT on the jersey clashes. Bohs weren't allowed wear their new white away strip against Pats the other week because the ref said both teams would then have white sleeves. I wonder did that ref watch the Spurs v Arsenal match tonight?
Ezeikial
20/04/2011, 11:36 PM
Quote from Foster, looks like he has no problems playing the final in Tallaght.
"I don’t mind playing in Tallaght. As long as the grounds neutral, as long as we get 50% of the gate and as long as there’s a toss up for what kit we wear then I’ll play the final anywhere."
http://blackandwhitetown.tumblr.com/post/4730400487/i-dont-mind-playing-in-tallaght-as-long-as-the
It is refreshing that Ian Foster is adopting that approach and is showing confidence in his teams ability no matter where the final is played.
If the question was put to Foster about playing the final in Oriel Park I imagine you would get a similar answer
No one is arguing that Tallaght is not an acceptable venue and if that were the outcome of a toss of the coin, then so be it.
Fairness and giving equal chances to both clubs should be a given
harleyleeds
20/04/2011, 11:58 PM
Child, it is precisely because of the manner in which Shams spanked Rovers that I can state with certainty that Dundalk have no chance of winning that final.
Now you really are having a laugh. Rovers were crap. You talk as if they are the second best team in the league but they look far from it.Your being arrogant without cause and Im no child I just grew up in the shed where you would never be praising shams lad.
Guinney
21/04/2011, 12:01 AM
For me if the final is in Tallaght it would give Rovers an unfair advantage. If Rovers were not in the final Tallaght would be probably the best option. But a neutral ground is must. Dalymount anyone?
HulaHoop
21/04/2011, 12:07 AM
It is refreshing that Ian Foster is adopting that approach and is showing confidence in his teams ability no matter where the final is played.
If the question was put to Foster about playing the final in Oriel Park I imagine you would get a similar answer
No one is arguing that Tallaght is not an acceptable venue and if that were the outcome of a toss of the coin, then so be it.
Fairness and giving equal chances to both clubs should be a given
Do you honestly think that Oriel is a suitable venue to host a cup final? Only 3000 seats, many of which are bolted onto an uncovered crumbling terrace, as well a main stand that is dated and old fashioned. You're living in dreamland if you think Oriel should host it.
The Aviva, Tallaght, Turners Cross, RDS and Windsor Park would be the only venues in the country suitable to hosting a game like this. With the Aviva and the RDS unavailable what option would you pick next?
mypost
21/04/2011, 12:12 AM
Linfield beat Shels in Tolka. Drogheda beat Linfield in Windsor. Derry coped well enough against us when we last had a "home" cup final.
But it looks like the excuses are being offered already.
HulaHoop
21/04/2011, 12:13 AM
For me if the final is in Tallaght it would give Rovers an unfair advantage. If Rovers were not in the final Tallaght would be probably the best option. But a neutral ground is must. Dalymount anyone?
Capacity in Dalymount is restricted to about 3500 with only the Jodi and shed end in use. Connaught Street death trap is not passed by health and safety. Same goes for Tolka too.
White Horse
21/04/2011, 1:00 AM
Do you honestly think that Oriel is a suitable venue to host a cup final? Only 3000 seats, many of which are bolted onto an uncovered crumbling terrace, as well a main stand that is dated and old fashioned. You're living in dreamland if you think Oriel should host it.
The Aviva, Tallaght, Turners Cross, RDS and Windsor Park would be the only venues in the country suitable to hosting a game like this. With the Aviva and the RDS unavailable what option would you pick next?
Of course Oriel Park could host this game. It is an approved Europa League venue.
However, in my opinion, it should not be staged in Oriel Park or at the council ground in Tallaght.
A cup final merits a neutral venue. The final should be held when one is available.
The competition and the finalists deserve nothing less.
Capacity in Dalymount is restricted to about 3500 with only the Jodi and shed end in use. Connaught Street death trap is not passed by health and safety. Same goes for Tolka too.
I personally dont think Dalymount is suitable for a cup final if the Connaught is not used, and i dont think it should be. The set up would be all wrong for a final without the Connaught.
I do agree with the Dundalk statement in that I think it should be at a neutral venue and if it is not then Tallaght should be treated as a neutral venue in terms of home/away dressing rooms etc etc.
Nesta99
21/04/2011, 5:25 AM
Oriel Park, Tolka, Dalymount are not feasable as final venues! Playing out of a SDCC municipal ground fine as long as ticket allocation is 50/50! As underdogs, colour of shirt, dressingroon etc will play more on the minds of shams. Dundalk expected to win and all that ..
There are loads of example of finals being played in the home ground of one of the participating clubs.
In every case that I am aware of this was either (a) set in advance of the competition (b) was agreed between the clubs or (c) as a result of the toss of a coin.
It is a big deal otherwise
None of those 3 happened when we played Glentoran at Turner's Cross. I'm skeptical about them happening the other years either. Most finals were played at someone's home ground and Setanta don't give a fudge about being fair.
I'd be shocked if this wasn't in Tallaght
HulaHoop
21/04/2011, 9:58 AM
Of course Oriel Park could host this game. It is an approved Europa League venue.
However, in my opinion, it should not be staged in Oriel Park or at the council ground in Tallaght.
A cup final merits a neutral venue. The final should be held when one is available.
The competition and the finalists deserve nothing less.
Sure if it's only a council ground in Tallaght then that surely constitutes a neutral venue?
Why was there never this level of whinging when FAI cup finals were played in Tolka and Dalymount with Shels/Bohs playing? We played Derry in a cup final in Tolka when we were playing home games there. 3 of the the 5 Setanta Cup finals have been played in one of the finalists home venues without a whimper. In a case of choosing between Oriel and Tallaght there really is only one choice.
Ezeikial
21/04/2011, 10:09 AM
Lilywhites to challenge Setanta Cup final venue
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/lilywhites-to-challenge-setanta-cup-final-venue-2625846.html
Dundalk are prepared to object if Tallaght, as expected, is announced today as the venue for the Setanta Cup final with Shamrock Rovers (http://searchtopics.independent.ie/topic/Shamrock_Rovers) on May 14.
The Oriel Park club feel that the location should be decided by the toss of a coin rather than a straight choice being made to stage the showpiece at the home of their opponents.
Club officials would have accepted Tallaght if it had been outlined at the start of the competition that the new stadium would host in the event of an all-League of Ireland (http://searchtopics.independent.ie/topic/Ireland) decider.
They are unhappy that such a call would be made after the identity of the finalists became known.
Dundalk will receive half the gate and a toss of the coin will take place to determine which party wears their favoured home kit.
Earlier in the week, Lilywhites boss Ian Foster had said he would play the final "anywhere" if those conditions were met. However, his club's hierarchy feel they should take a stand, although the ultimate decision will lie with the competition's organising committee.
Shamrock Rovers (http://searchtopics.independent.ie/topic/Shamrock_Rovers) boss Michael O'Neill said that the matter should be left in the hands of the authorities.
"I wouldn't like people to think it's an unfair advantage for us," he said. "If it's 50-50 gate on it or whatever, then it should be fairly neutral but we'll see what happens.
O'Neill is a fan of the flagging cross-border competition, although he believes that the earlier rounds should be staged at weekends in future to increase profile and make it easier for Northern clubs.
- Daniel McDonnell
Charlie Darwin
21/04/2011, 12:25 PM
As long as both sides say "Tallaght" I have no problem with a coin toss.
avvenalaf
21/04/2011, 1:03 PM
Now you really are having a laugh. Rovers were crap. You talk as if they are the second best team in the league but they look far from it.Your being arrogant without cause and Im no child I just grew up in the shed where you would never be praising shams lad.
Sonny, I'm not praising Shams - just not blinkered to the facts. Grew up on the shed and now harleyleeds - that figures. Now, lets wait and see what happens in the final.
Has to be Tallaght - it's just wrong to play finals on astro.
passerrby
21/04/2011, 1:12 PM
Just heard the great roddy on the radio this morning talking about our game on monday,I nearly crashed when he said dundalk are one of the best clubs in the country but have one major fault the fans hate leaving dundalk he he
Ezeikial
21/04/2011, 1:40 PM
it's just wrong to play finals on astro.
Agree with you there. Should not be played on cement or concrete either!
If you mean matches should not be played on a FIFA 2-Star Certified FieldTurf 3G pitch, then I disagree - as do the FAI, EUFA and FIFA
bullit
21/04/2011, 1:44 PM
Just heard the great roddy on the radio this morning talking about our game on monday,I nearly crashed when he said dundalk are one of the best clubs in the country but have one major fault the fans hate leaving dundalk he he
You "near crashed" because as a Mons fan you know that just isnt the truth,right......?;)
Charlie Darwin
21/04/2011, 1:58 PM
Agree with you there. Should not be played on cement or concrete either!
If you mean matches should not be played on a FIFA 2-Star Certified FieldTurf 3G pitch, then I disagree - as do the FAI, EUFA and FIFA
Pitch looked pretty ropey for the Cliftonville match to be fair.
passerrby
21/04/2011, 3:11 PM
You "near crashed" because as a Mons fan you know that just isnt the truth,right......?;)
na not really
WoodquayBoy
21/04/2011, 3:21 PM
If you mean matches should not be played on a FIFA 2-Star Certified FieldTurf 3G pitch, then I disagree - as do the FAI, EUFA and FIFA
And we all know they have never got anything wrong
Straightstory
21/04/2011, 3:48 PM
Capacity in Dalymount is restricted to about 3500 with only the Jodi and shed end in use. Connaught Street death trap is not passed by health and safety. Same goes for Tolka too.
I've been in Dalymount when there were 35,000 there. Bizarre to think that a ground's capacity can be reduced by 90 per cent.
Charlie Darwin
21/04/2011, 3:53 PM
It's only ever had about 7,000 seats though, hasn't it? I suppose terraces are still strictly viable.
passerrby
21/04/2011, 4:10 PM
Agree with you there. Should not be played on cement or concrete either!
If you mean matches should not be played on a FIFA 2-Star Certified FieldTurf 3G pitch, then I disagree - as do the FAI, EUFA and FIFA
ah fai eufa and fifa now there is three great bastions of common sense
A N Mouse
21/04/2011, 4:17 PM
ah fai eufa and fifa now there is three great bastions of common sense
The fourth being roddy?
El-Pietro
21/04/2011, 4:52 PM
who in the hell are this EUFA people keep talking about?
BohsFans
21/04/2011, 6:07 PM
I've been in Dalymount when there were 35,000 there. Bizarre to think that a ground's capacity can be reduced by 90 per cent.
4,200 is the current seated capacity, about the same as Oriel me thinks!
Buller
21/04/2011, 6:11 PM
who in the hell are this EUFA people keep talking about?
http://img816.imageshack.us/img816/4430/eufachampionsleague6.jpg (http://img816.imageshack.us/i/eufachampionsleague6.jpg/)
Have you not heard?! They officially changed their name last week at the UEFA AGM. Its been on the news...
passerrby
21/04/2011, 7:14 PM
The fourth being roddy?
No that goes to the guy on the derry board who said "Ive an idea and it involves two contracts"
White Horse
21/04/2011, 7:28 PM
Sure if it's only a council ground in Tallaght then that surely constitutes a neutral venue?
Why was there never this level of whinging when FAI cup finals were played in Tolka and Dalymount with Shels/Bohs playing? We played Derry in a cup final in Tolka when we were playing home games there. 3 of the the 5 Setanta Cup finals have been played in one of the finalists home venues without a whimper. In a case of choosing between Oriel and Tallaght there really is only one choice.
You are currently renting this council pitch. It is your home, in the same way as Dalymount, Tolka, Morton etc etc were when you renting those.
Look, I know I may be on alien territory discussing fairness and ethics with Rovers fans. However, those other grounds you mentioned were decided upon as venues prior to the commencement of the tournaments.
Dundalk FC have acknowledged that they would have had no problem with Tallaght being the venue of the final if that had been announced at the outset of the tournament.
mypost
21/04/2011, 9:37 PM
You are currently renting this council pitch. It is your home, in the same way as Dalymount, Tolka, Morton etc etc were when you renting those.
Dundalk FC have acknowledged that they would have had no problem with Tallaght being the venue of the final if that had been announced at the outset of the tournament.
You're contradicting yourself.
When Oriel has 6,000 seats, and has modern facilities that cater adequately for everyone, then Oriel and other grounds may be considered suitable to host finals in this competition.
As said before, I hope the final will be the last game played in it. The NI teams are way out of their depth, there are too many games in an already packed calendar, Setanta can't be arsed showing half of them. It's pointless.
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