Roy Keane

[NeilMcD]

Is being accused of feigning an injury worse than been accused of running an unprofessional side and no preparing properly for a World Cup and this being done in the full glare of the media. I think both of them had every right to feel hurt in this and as I said both were wrong in many areas of it.

[eirebhoy]

Is being accused of feigning an injury worse than been accused of running an unprofessional side and no preparing properly for a World Cup and this being done in the full glare of the media.
Fair point and I actually can't remember much of this at all. But it all depends on whether McCarthy thought what Keane said was untrue. Is that article actually still floating about?

[Drumcondra 69er]

If what Keane says about that meeting in true then I back Keane and I can't remember reading anyone contradict what he said.

He said he had his temper fully in control as McCarthy ranted about his article and he was letting McCarthy have his say and would pull him aside on his own later on. He said when McCarthy accused him of faking injury he just lost the plot.

Paul McGrath said it was like waving the red flag to a bull.

If Roy didn't start shouting abuse until McCarthy made that accusation then as I said I'd be fully backing Keane. Getting wrongly accused of something makes the blood boil to my head in an instant. :)

Paul McGrath wasn't there though was he?

And given that the likes of Brian Kerr have said that an awful lot of what was put out by the RK media machine about Saipan was untrue so who's to say that Roy's own account of the row hasn't been somewhat embelished.

Have you forgotten that RK walked out 2 days before and had to be talked around? So to me it's obvious he wasn't in his 'happy place' (not sure whether his happy place is throwing darts at a picture of Alfie Halaand for having the temerity to injure Roy by being kicked in the air by him or if it's out walking Triggs?) long before the meeting.

From what others that were in the room have said it was obvious that RK didn't want to be there period, from all accounts he was behaving like a royal pain in the arse the whole time.

McCarthy's biggest mistake was bring RK on what was an R & R stopover, he'd have been better off letting him join them at their top of the range training facility in Japan. Personally I don't think the incident would have happened had RK not seen Arsenal do the double (winning the league at Old Trafford) and hadn't seen his efforts in the CL semi come to nothing against what he considered a far inferior side in Leverkussen. He wasn't a happy man....

[NeilMcD]

On the Halaand issue I can see where he is coming from, having a similar thing happen to me and people saying there is not much wrong with you.

Obviously what he did after that was terrible and I would not condone it

[Drumcondra 69er]

On the Halaand issue I can see where he is coming from, having a similar thing happen to me and people saying there is not much wrong with you.

Obviously what he did after that was terrible and I would not condone it

Have you had a similar thing if you're playing and someone goes through the back of you with a deliberate kick and you give them some verbals back seeing as they've just kicked you? Is it reasonable to think that if the other player is down after he's comitted what was a red card offence against you that he might be staying down to make things more difficult for the ref?

I'd have no problem with saying something along the lines of 'What the fukk are you staying down for, you kicked me you c##t!' in that situation in the heat of the moment. Hardly pre-meditated and no one knew how bad that injury was at the time.

Anyway, time to log off, off to Dalyer for now!

[eirebhoy]

So to me it's obvious he wasn't in his 'happy place' (not sure whether his happy place is throwing darts at a picture of Alfie Halaand for having the temerity to injure Roy
Ironically I believe the reason Roy assaulted Haaland was the shouting while Roy was on the ground injured, obviously accusing him of faking it... :)

[Stuttgart88]

So to me it's obvious he wasn't in his 'happy place'


McCarthy's biggest mistake was bring RK on what was an R & R stopover, he'd have been better off letting him join them at their top of the range training facility in Japan.

Agree with both parts.

In Keane's defence I think he had his demons and we've got to make allowances for that.

The great irony of course is that Ireland's Japanese base was supposed to be one of the best set-ups in the whole tournament. According to the FAI anyway :)

[geysir]

Ironically I believe the reason Roy assaulted Haaland was the shouting while Roy was on the ground injured, obviously accusing him of faking it... :)
How about, the reason to inflict the reckless, pre meditated assault, was Roy's basic lack of common sense, an inability to get over it and grow up.

I wonder why the fake slur was such a sensitive one? Obviously the whole world knew he wasn't faking it.
Me thinks, he protests too much about these "fake" accusations.

[eaststand85]

Believe Roy Keane due to appear on Late Late tonight.

[eirebhoy]

How about, the reason to inflict the reckless, pre meditated assault, was Roy's basic lack of common sense, an inability to get over it and grow up.

I wonder why the fake slur was such a sensitive one? Obviously the whole world knew he wasn't faking it.
Me thinks, he protests too much about these "fake" accusations.
As I said it's the one thing that gets me going. Being accused of doing something I didn't. I'd certainly have a hatred for Haaland if I was Keane after the shouting he gave him while he was decked out. I wouldn't go out and try to injur him but I would've got my own back throughout the game on the sly. :)

[geysir]

Maybe you hadn't done it that time.......... but?

[Stuttgart88]

Didn't he say to Haaland "Tell your mate Woodgate there's one of them for him too"?

Woodgate's crime? Keane tried to tackle him, missed and tore his knee ligaments in the process.

And don't tell me Keane never shouted at an injured player to get up.

Funny thing is that after he retired Keane admitted that the tunnel-visioned-winning-is- everthing image was just an act, one he needed people to believe.

And he also said McCarthy was top class in their meeting pre-Wolves v Sunderland.

Weird character, strangely compelling. Probably a nice guy to the few close to him, and probably a superb family man. It's a pity the biggest stories in Irish football are about the guys who didn't play. There's enough good things going on that people could look at.

[irishfan86]

I think Keane is very conscious of creating an image.

If someone watched his guide dog interview with no previous experience with the man, you'd say he was a charming, nice guy.

The media machine would have you believe that this was one of the toughest men alive, and this is largely because of Roy fueling this image himself.

I love football, I love playing football, but when I hear the talk about "hard men," and people shouting "it's a man's game" I have to laugh.

Obviously there are moments in a match that require genuine courage- going up for a header against a goalkeeper who is trying to punch a ball; maintaining your focus while dribbling as you know someone is trying to lunge at you with a sliding tackle; going up for a header against a guy who's been swinging elbows throughout the match, etc.

But the point I'm trying to make is that football for the most part is not violent nor what I would call typically masculine.

The media would make you think Roy was the toughest guy in the world, but I'd pick one of the Irish rugby guys of a similar height/weight to beat Roy in a fight any day.

[Jicked]

Didn't he say to Haaland "Tell your mate Woodgate there's one of them for him too"?

Woodgate's crime? Keane tried to tackle him, missed and tore his knee ligaments in the process.


I dont remember hearing that Keane said that to Haaland, and his beef was with Haaland for accusing him of faking injury when he was down with a career-threatening one, I dont recall him having a problem with the actual incident that led to the injury.

[Denis The Red]

Saw the interview on the late late tonight(man I hate that Kenny) and have to say it didn't disappoint. Roy as usual was spot on with most of what he had to say.
No bull about the guy and very believable. Not everyone's cup of tea, sure, but I believe they're the ones without the spines. I think he's a class act.

[Colbert Report]

Does anyone have a link to the Roy Keane interview from earlier tonight? Cheers.

[irishfan86]

I think he's a class act.

Er...

You'd want to be his friend, but would hate to be his enemy.

For me a class act is someone that everybody wants to be friends with, but if he was your enemy you wouldn't fear for your life because he's a goddamn sociopath.

To add to my last post- there's nothing manly about the challenge he made on Haaland.

Cowardice personified- his jumping ship from Sunderland during their time of need in a selfish career saving move only adds to his growing reputation as a bottler.

[Denis The Red]

Hey, I never condoned his challenge on Haaland but it seems you took it worse than he did. I was referring to the interview and thought he spoke a lot of sense as he has done throughout his career. Some people are obviously too shy to hear the truth sometimes and when it comes it's dismissed becaused it came from a thug like Keane.:rolleyes: Give me a break.
There should be more guys like Roy in the game, it wouldn't be as bland and as boring as you like it to be.

[NeilMcD]

Didn't he say to Haaland "Tell your mate Woodgate there's one of them for him too"?

Woodgate's crime? Keane tried to tackle him, missed and tore his knee ligaments in the process.

And don't tell me Keane never shouted at an injured player to get up.

Funny thing is that after he retired Keane admitted that the tunnel-visioned-winning-is- everthing image was just an act, one he needed people to believe.

And he also said McCarthy was top class in their meeting pre-Wolves v Sunderland.

Weird character, strangely compelling. Probably a nice guy to the few close to him, and probably a superb family man. It's a pity the biggest stories in Irish football are about the guys who didn't play. There's enough good things going on that people could look at.

Spot on Stuttgart. Missed the interview as I was out with Saint Tom and Paul but will watch it later. I think you have hit the nail on the head with most of what you have said. Lads here is an insight. When you have gone down with a serious injury and somebody saying there is nothing wrong with you, it is hard to hold back the feelings. It is very raw and I can certainly see where Keane is coming from havin been in a simillar place. Funnily enough Brian Clough was in a very similar place also.

It was not Woodgate it was Wetheral Stutts, but that is neither here nor there.

[irishfan86]

Hey, I never condoned his challenge on Haaland but it seems you took it worse than he did. I was referring to the interview and thought he spoke a lot of sense as he has done throughout his career. Some people are obviously too shy to hear the truth sometimes and when it comes it's dismissed becaused it came from a thug like Keane.:rolleyes: Give me a break.
There should be more guys like Roy in the game, it wouldn't be as bland and as boring as you like it to be.

There's nothing bland about Shay Given, Robbie Keane, and Richard Dunne.

They wear the green with pride, and bring the right kind of personality to the game.

I'm not saying I hate Roy Keane as a person, and I appreciate his achievements as a player- but I would object strongly to calling him a class act.

I call people classy or a class act because of their actions in the real world, and not because of their conduct on a late night talk show.

Anybody can be polite in that situation- however, it takes a man to maintain that kind of dignity when the going gets tough, and as we've seen with Roy time and time again, he lacks that calibre, and therefore is in no way a class act.

For the record, I don't wish failure on anybody, and I hope he does well with Ipswich and helps the Irish players develop there by proxy.

[Denis The Red]

There's nothing bland about Shay Given, Robbie Keane, and Richard Dunne.

They wear the green with pride, and bring the right kind of personality to the game.

I'm not saying I hate Roy Keane as a person, and I appreciate his achievements as a player- but I would object strongly to calling him a class act.

I call people classy or a class act because of their actions in the real world, and not because of their conduct on a late night talk show.

Anybody can be polite in that situation- however, it takes a man to maintain that kind of dignity when the going gets tough, and as we've seen with Roy time and time again, he lacks that calibre, and therefore is in no way a class act.

For the record, I don't wish failure on anybody, and I hope he does well with Ipswich and helps the Irish players develop there by proxy.

It has nothing to do with wearing green with pride, I think Roy did that with distinction. If you are referring to Saipan and the aftermath I think Roy explained that well enough for me, I've accepted it and so has Mick, maybe it's time you did too.
I already said that Roy was a class act based on his whole career and not just what was said tonight. Of course he tends to put his foot in it sometimes, his human but I believe he's not the ogre the media make him out to be.
And if you object to him being called a class act, think again before calling him a coward and then using rugby players as a yard stick...remember what Umaga did to Brian O'Driscoll??? He's a brave guy.:rolleyes:

[limerickblue]

There's nothing bland about Shay Given, Robbie Keane, and Richard Dunne.

They wear the green with pride, and bring the right kind of personality to the game.

I'm not saying I hate Roy Keane as a person, and I appreciate his achievements as a player- but I would object strongly to calling him a class act.

I call people classy or a class act because of their actions in the real world, and not because of their conduct on a late night talk show.

Anybody can be polite in that situation- however, it takes a man to maintain that kind of dignity when the going gets tough, and as we've seen with Roy time and time again, he lacks that calibre, and therefore is in no way a class act.

For the record, I don't wish failure on anybody, and I hope he does well with Ipswich and helps the Irish players develop there by proxy.


I am sorry but i am uunable to come onto this site and read a post like this.
Have you just said that mr.Roy Keane is not a class act, I'm sorry to disagree but is not the same Roy Keane that one:

1. Got Clough from a low standard of irish football(no disrespect loyal limerick fan here) to the big leagues in england.

2. signed for united in 1993 for 3.75 million pounds british transfer fee at the time.

3.was handed the manchester united captaincy from one of the most respected managers in the game.

4. got booked in a chapions league semi-final (knew he would be suspended) and went on to inspire the team to victory and in fergusons words
;It was the most emphatic display of selflessness I have seen on a football field. Pounding over every blade of grass, competing if he would rather die of exhaustion than lose, he inspired all around him. I felt it was an honour to be associated with such a player;

5. the largest crowd ever to attend a testomonial in england attended roy keane.

6. 7 premier leagues, 4 f.a cups , one intercontanintal cup,scotish cup, scotish league i wont even throw in the chapions league he took them to the semi-final off.

7.english football writers player of the year 2000 and players footballer of the year 2000

8.english hall of fame 2004 george best and liam brady the only other two inductees.

9. did he not also make our only placing in fifas top 100 living footballers besides the norths best who is now dead on gone r.i.p

10.named our best player in 94 world cup playing every game

11.and in typical keane fashion refused to celabrate as he saw the defeat to holland as disapointment.

12.got us a draw in landsdowne road against portugal.

13.and that tackle in the first few minutes against the dutch.

14.once and for all put a stop to the problems on plane for international.

15.and in saipan stood up and said that the irish national team shouldnt have to train in sub-standard conditions.
I don.t think anybody ever said this but in 2002 we still had the celtic tiger aura around the country, why were we going on a training camp to a sh*thole like saipan.

16.showed a world cup and euro cup winner, Paddy Vieria of aresnal what t was like to mark a real midfielder on numerous occasions.

I think the 16 points, i have shown you will prove to u that roy keane is definatley a class act, and you say that robbie keane dunne and given are class.

I WOULD HAVE TO DISAGREE ROBBIE KEANE IS A GREAT PLAYER, DUNNE IS A VERY GOOD PLAYER, SHAY GIVEN IS A CLASS ACT AGREED. BUT I THINK IF U ASKED ANY OF THESE THREE PLAYERS WHAT WAS ROY KEANE YOU WOULD GET 3 ANSWERS FROM THE ABOVE

CLASS ACT



LEADER AND MOTIVATER(BEST OUT WEAKER PLAYER)





LEGEND.!!!!!!!!!!!

Or as the corkonians would say GOD

[irishfan86]

I am sorry but i am uunable to come onto this site and read a post like this.
Have you just said that mr.Roy Keane is not a class act, I'm sorry to disagree but is not the same Roy Keane that one:

1. Got Clough from a low standard of irish football(no disrespect loyal limerick fan here) to the big leagues in england.

2. signed for united in 1993 for 3.75 million pounds british transfer fee at the time.

3.was handed the manchester united captaincy from one of the most respected managers in the game.

4. got booked in a chapions league semi-final (knew he would be suspended) and went on to inspire the team to victory and in fergusons words
;It was the most emphatic display of selflessness I have seen on a football field. Pounding over every blade of grass, competing if he would rather die of exhaustion than lose, he inspired all around him. I felt it was an honour to be associated with such a player;

5. the largest crowd ever to attend a testomonial in england attended roy keane.

6. 7 premier leagues, 4 f.a cups , one intercontanintal cup,scotish cup, scotish league i wont even throw in the chapions league he took them to the semi-final off.

7.english football writers player of the year 2000 and players footballer of the year 2000

8.english hall of fame 2004 george best and liam brady the only other two inductees.

9. did he not also make our only placing in fifas top 100 living footballers besides the norths best who is now dead on gone r.i.p

10.named our best player in 94 world cup playing every game

11.and in typical keane fashion refused to celabrate as he saw the defeat to holland as disapointment.

12.got us a draw in landsdowne road against portugal.

13.and that tackle in the first few minutes against the dutch.

14.once and for all put a stop to the problems on plane for international.

15.and in saipan stood up and said that the irish national team shouldnt have to train in sub-standard conditions.
I don.t think anybody ever said this but in 2002 we still had the celtic tiger aura around the country, why were we going on a training camp to a sh*thole like saipan.

16.showed a world cup and euro cup winner, Paddy Vieria of aresnal what t was like to mark a real midfielder on numerous occasions.

I think the 16 points, i have shown you will prove to u that roy keane is definatley a class act, and you say that robbie keane dunne and given are class.

I WOULD HAVE TO DISAGREE ROBBIE KEANE IS A GREAT PLAYER, DUNNE IS A VERY GOOD PLAYER, SHAY GIVEN IS A CLASS ACT AGREED. BUT I THINK IF U ASKED ANY OF THESE THREE PLAYERS WHAT WAS ROY KEANE YOU WOULD GET 3 ANSWERS FROM THE ABOVE

CLASS ACT



LEADER AND MOTIVATER(BEST OUT WEAKER PLAYER)





LEGEND.!!!!!!!!!!!

Or as the corkonians would say GOD

Your points don't really counter my argument at all.

I acknowledge in my posts that Roy Keane was a fantastic talent, and one of the most accomplished footballers of his generation.

Class footballer, but as a human being, calling him a class act is an insult to good guys everywhere.

I get the feeling that we're talking about two different things.

For me the term "Class Act" means that a person conducts themselves in a certain manner.

For you it indicates some sort of achievement or success.

[Stuttgart88]

Not everyone's cup of tea, sure, but I believe they're the ones without the spines. good lord.

[limerickblue]

Your points don't really counter my argument at all.

I acknowledge in my posts that Roy Keane was a fantastic talent, and one of the most accomplished footballers of his generation.

Class footballer, but as a human being, calling him a class act is an insult to good guys everywhere.

I get the feeling that we're talking about two different things.

For me the term "Class Act" means that a person conducts themselves in a certain manner.

For you it indicates some sort of achievement or success.


o.k you are saying 'that calling him a class act is an insult to good guys everywhere' , was the irish blind dogs associtian the only reason he was over this week. To me Roy Keane gives this charity organasation the maxiumum publicity every year he returns for their day. So how is he an insult to good guys, if anything you are an insult to people for downing such a genourous man, actually your post is borderline bulls**te.

Roy keane had given out aout john o'shea and darren fletcher before , but this week he came out and said that the are just as important to united winning tropies as giggs and rooney, it shows he lets people prove themselves and where credit is due.

He admited last night that his weakness as a person was his impatiency but at least he can say that and is not able to see that it is his weakness, which will give him the oppurtunity to work on it.

[Drumcondra 69er]

I dont remember hearing that Keane said that to Haaland, and his beef was with Haaland for accusing him of faking injury when he was down with a career-threatening one, I dont recall him having a problem with the actual incident that led to the injury.

Do people actually know what happened with that incident because the amount of mis-informed nonsense I'm reading about it here staggers me.

Roy Keane injured HIMSELF by kicking Alfie Haaland into the air, how the fukk could he have a problem with the actual incident given that it was entirely of his own making??? Look at the picture, the ball wasn't anywhere near there to be won, he lost the rag coz they were one down in the last few minutes, no self control again. And look at the other incident, he's the agressor in both.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/manchester/content/images/2005/11/18/97_keane_haaland_02_300x300.jpg http://www.verslo.is/home/tomhagu/Myndir/keanooo%20haaland.jpg

[geysir]

Spot on Stuttgart. Missed the interview as I was out with Saint Tom and Paul but will watch it later. I think you have hit the nail on the head with most of what you have said. Lads here is an insight. When you have gone down with a serious injury and somebody saying there is nothing wrong with you, it is hard to hold back the feelings. It is very raw and I can certainly see where Keane is coming from havin been in a simillar place. Funnily enough Brian Clough was in a very similar place also.

It was not Woodgate it was Wetheral Stutts, but that is neither here nor there.
The issue is not what a player feels in the heat of the game or who calls what insult.
If that was the issue there would be would be a lot of battered half dead players on the pitch, over grievances years old.
Keane's issue was that he carried it around like a baseball bat on the ready (for the best part of a year?) ready to inflict serious injury on Alf Ingi.
That's the seriously deranged aspect, imo.

False bravado hardman poser act, that he still hasn't grown out of.

[Drumcondra 69er]

Does anyone have a link to the Roy Keane interview from earlier tonight? Cheers.

There you go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dua7oeEydVw

[weldoninhio]

I am sorry but i am uunable to come onto this site and read a post like this.
Have you just said that mr.Roy Keane is not a class act, I'm sorry to disagree but is not the same Roy Keane that one:

1. Got Clough from a low standard of irish football(no disrespect loyal limerick fan here) to the big leagues in england.

2. signed for united in 1993 for 3.75 million pounds british transfer fee at the time.

3.was handed the manchester united captaincy from one of the most respected managers in the game.

4. got booked in a chapions league semi-final (knew he would be suspended) and went on to inspire the team to victory and in fergusons words
;It was the most emphatic display of selflessness I have seen on a football field. Pounding over every blade of grass, competing if he would rather die of exhaustion than lose, he inspired all around him. I felt it was an honour to be associated with such a player;

5. the largest crowd ever to attend a testomonial in england attended roy keane.

6. 7 premier leagues, 4 f.a cups , one intercontanintal cup,scotish cup, scotish league i wont even throw in the chapions league he took them to the semi-final off.

7.english football writers player of the year 2000 and players footballer of the year 2000

8.english hall of fame 2004 george best and liam brady the only other two inductees.

9. did he not also make our only placing in fifas top 100 living footballers besides the norths best who is now dead on gone r.i.p

10.named our best player in 94 world cup playing every game

11.and in typical keane fashion refused to celabrate as he saw the defeat to holland as disapointment.

12.got us a draw in landsdowne road against portugal.

13.and that tackle in the first few minutes against the dutch.

14.once and for all put a stop to the problems on plane for international.

15.and in saipan stood up and said that the irish national team shouldnt have to train in sub-standard conditions.
I don.t think anybody ever said this but in 2002 we still had the celtic tiger aura around the country, why were we going on a training camp to a sh*thole like saipan.

16.showed a world cup and euro cup winner, Paddy Vieria of aresnal what t was like to mark a real midfielder on numerous occasions.

I think the 16 points, i have shown you will prove to u that roy keane is definatley a class act, and you say that robbie keane dunne and given are class.

I WOULD HAVE TO DISAGREE ROBBIE KEANE IS A GREAT PLAYER, DUNNE IS A VERY GOOD PLAYER, SHAY GIVEN IS A CLASS ACT AGREED. BUT I THINK IF U ASKED ANY OF THESE THREE PLAYERS WHAT WAS ROY KEANE YOU WOULD GET 3 ANSWERS FROM THE ABOVE

CLASS ACT



LEADER AND MOTIVATER(BEST OUT WEAKER PLAYER)





LEGEND.!!!!!!!!!!!

Or as the corkonians would say GOD

Just a couple of points on your points,

1) "Got Clough from a low standard of irish football(no disrespect loyal limerick fan here) to the big leagues in england." - Most of your points are badly written, misspelt and stream of conciousness at best. But this one takes the biscuit!! I presume you mean he got Clough to bring him from Cobh to Forest. It comes across like he discovered Cloughie.

2) Chris Sutton was £5 million british record in 1994, one year later, this doesn't mean he was better than Keane, just that what a club pays has nothing to do with the player.

4) He is a professional footballer, what would you expect him to do?? Call the bench and tell them to take him off because he couldn't play the final??

5) Biggest team in England versus the Biggest team in Scotland.

6,7,8,9) No-one denied he has won trophies and accolades

10) Again no-one said he was not a good player, the argument was that he is not a "class act"

11) Who cares??

12) I can't remember or find any report of a game that pitted Portugal against Roy Keane, only 11vs11 games.

13) He tackled someone in a football match?? Good point!!

14) He complained about the blazers getting first class.

15) Ireland didn't go to a training camp in Saipan, they went on an R&R trip with a light training to keep the guys fit and ticking over until they got to the training camp in Japan

16) Yeah, poor Paddy only won the Premiership 3 times and the FA Cup 4 times while Roy was around.

PS Get a spellchecker.

[bennocelt]

McCarthy's biggest mistake was bring RK on what was an R & R stopover, he'd have been better off letting him join them at their top of the range training facility in Japan. Personally I don't think the incident would have happened had RK not seen Arsenal do the double (winning the league at Old Trafford) and hadn't seen his efforts in the CL semi come to nothing against what he considered a far inferior side in Leverkussen. He wasn't a happy man....

mostly agree with what u said................but it does stick in my graw that this whole thing was all set up by the FAI and Ray Treacy. It was a junket - thats the only reason they were in Saipan in the first place - a place without even one decent football pitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NeilMcD]

The issue is not what a player feels in the heat of the game or who calls what insult.
If that was the issue there would be would be a lot of battered half dead players on the pitch, over grievances years old.
Keane's issue was that he carried it around like a baseball bat on the ready (for the best part of a year?) ready to inflict serious injury on Alf Ingi.
That's the seriously deranged aspect, imo.

False bravado hardman poser act, that he still hasn't grown out of.

Sorry I did not mean the heat of the game, I actually mean that when somebody says it to you on the pitch and you are at a low ebb. It sticks with you. If you want to dismiss that fine but I am trying to give a bit of personal insight here into it.

Do I agree with what Keane did to Haaland, no, do I understand it, yes.

[Drumcondra 69er]

mostly agree with what u said................but it does stick in my graw that this whole thing was all set up by the FAI and Ray Treacy. It was a junket - thats the only reason they were in Saipan in the first place - a place without even one decent football pitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

True but 22 of the 23 players were happy to be there. The facilities in Japan were top class. There's been so much spin over Saipan that that point has been lost.

I would have no time whatsoever for the FAI or Ray Treacy, am 100% in agreement there.

[NeilMcD]

True but 22 of the 23 players were happy to be there. The facilities in Japan were top class. There's been so much spin over Saipan that that point has been lost.

I would have no time whatsoever for the FAI or Ray Treacy, am 100% in agreement there.

I think this is the point that 22 or 23 players were not happy to be there. But they stayed silent and kept it in house. Again I dont go down the road that Keane is right Mc Carthy is wrong or vice versa as I think with most things in life the truth is in the grey areas.

Many of the players were not happy with the set up. Some got over it by having a laugh and a joke about it and some of them stayed silent and others voiced their concerns to the captain. Keane unwisely went public on this issue probably in order to dis associate himself with the set up andn to show that he was not part of the shambles set up. So there is a bit of self preservation there. But he had every right not to be happy with the set up an every right to have a meeting with the manager over it and give out about it. What he did not have every right to do, was to walk out the first time and say that he was leaving for personal reasons but what were really professsional ones and then he did not have every right to do interviews after that.

[Superhoops]

......CLASS ACT.....

In Saipan he unleashed a stinging verbal tirade against Mick McCarthy: “Mick, you're a liar... you're a f*cking w*nker. I didn't rate you as a player, I don't rate you as a manager, and I don't rate you as a person. You're a f*cking w*nker and you can stick your World Cup up your a*se. The only reason I have any dealings with you is that somehow you are the manager of my country! You can stick it up your bol*ocks.”

Just a week or so before heading off to Saipan Keane refused to play in Niall Quinn's testimonial at Sunderland even though the proceeds from the game were going to two children's charities in Dublin and Sunderland.

CLASS ACT me bol*ix :mad:

[NeilMcD]

If someone said I had feigned injury in order to avoid playing for my country in front of my team mates I would have done much worse than what Keane did. However If I was Mc Carthy and Keane did what he did by going to the press I would not have called a meeting and accused Roy Keane of feigning injury I would have had a barney with him in a private room and tore strips out ot him. There is no way if I was Mc Carthy would have I let Roy Keane behave the way he did to the press that week.This bit about insults etc, in a private room I think its wrong for people to come out with stories from the room and grown men saying they could not believe what they heard etc. Rubbish.

In relation to the charity bit. Bono is accused of being a ****** for doing so much charity work. Roy Keane is now terrible for refusing to take part in one act of Charity. I did not contribute to Oxfam this week, what a w*nker I am. You cannot take part in every part of charity and I think Roy Keane to be fair has done his bit for charities over the year.

[NeilMcD]

Do people actually know what happened with that incident because the amount of mis-informed nonsense I'm reading about it here staggers me.

Roy Keane injured HIMSELF by kicking Alfie Haaland into the air, how the fukk could he have a problem with the actual incident given that it was entirely of his own making??? Look at the picture, the ball wasn't anywhere near there to be won, he lost the rag coz they were one down in the last few minutes, no self control again. And look at the other incident, he's the agressor in both.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/manchester/content/images/2005/11/18/97_keane_haaland_02_300x300.jpg http://www.verslo.is/home/tomhagu/Myndir/keanooo%20haaland.jpg

That injury was Roy Keanes fault no doubt about it, in fact one of the reasons he reckons he was injured was due to the fact he was out drinking on the Thursday night. However that goes out the window when you have somebody screaming in your face when you are lying down with a torn cruciate ligament and you are in agony. Its not right, its not fair but its understandable. Trust me.

[limerickblue]

In Saipan he unleashed a stinging verbal tirade against Mick McCarthy: “Mick, you're a liar... you're a f*cking w*nker. I didn't rate you as a player, I don't rate you as a manager, and I don't rate you as a person. You're a f*cking w*nker and you can stick your World Cup up your a*se. The only reason I have any dealings with you is that somehow you are the manager of my country! You can stick it up your bol*ocks.”

Just a week or so before heading off to Saipan Keane refused to play in Niall Quinn's testimonial at Sunderland even though the proceeds from the game were going to two children's charities in Dublin and Sunderland.

CLASS ACT me bol*ix :mad:

Keane stayed calm for the whole lecture that he was giving by McCarthy, until McCarthy decided to accuse Keane of faking injury to avoid playing for Ireland. What would you have done, stayed queit and let him drag your name through the dirt in front of fellow players.

O.k he refused to play in Niall Quinns testomonial, I'm sorry but if i was going traveling have way across the world to captain my side at a world cup, i wouldnt want to risk the oppurtunity by playing in a testomnial. In all fairness Niall should have kept that for after the world cup.

I say again Class Act

[superfrank]

However that goes out the window when you have somebody screaming in your face when you are lying down with a torn cruciate ligament and you are in agony. Its not right, its not fair but its understandable. Trust me.
There's no justification for what Keane did to Haaland. He was insulted, fair enough, but Haaland didn't try to take his leg off. Keane should have insulted Haaland or whatever but his physical attack was disgraceful, no justification whatsoever.

[NeilMcD]

Did I justify it. I said I understood it.

[Drumcondra 69er]

That injury was Roy Keanes fault no doubt about it, in fact one of the reasons he reckons he was injured was due to the fact he was out drinking on the Thursday night. However that goes out the window when you have somebody screaming in your face when you are lying down with a torn cruciate ligament and you are in agony. Its not right, its not fair but its understandable. Trust me.

To be honest, I've suffered injuries playing football and have knackered both my own knees, one through an awful tackle on me. I'd consider myself slightly unhinged if I spent two years plotting revenge on the guy. I'd consider myself even more unhinged if I'd injured myself trying to nobble the other guy and still had a grievence. I would think that most sane people would be the same. If the bloke that came over the ball on me had injured himself and I'd been alright I may well have had a few verbals at him in the heat of the moment, it's a natural enough reaction when you've just been kicked regardless of whether the other guy is down or not.

Did it never occur to RK at some stage over his recovery that it was entirely his own fault? The drinking thing is a red herring for me anyway, it suits the myth. Drinking during your recovery would be far more harmful.

[NeilMcD]

Well isnt the world great that everybody is different. And we do not all react the same to similar situations.

[eirebhoy]

There's no justification for what Keane did to Haaland. He was insulted, fair enough, but Haaland didn't try to take his leg off. Keane should have insulted Haaland or whatever but his physical attack was disgraceful, no justification whatsoever.
Again though Keane stressed last night the reason he lost the plot in Saipan was being accused of faking injury. I'm sure Keane has had a few hard tackles on him in his career. He obviously feels very strongly about people accusing him of faking an injury, cheating, lack of honesty.

I agree that there's no justification for what he did but I'm just saying if a player did try to hurt Keane in a game he probably wouldn't feel half as bad about that then the screaming from Haaland or the accusation from McCarthy.

[NeilMcD]

Jesus the audience at the Late Late Show were terrible.

[bennocelt]

Just to put it out there...............many of Haalands own teammates at the time werent too overly concerned at the treatment dished out to him by Keane - since he was very much disliked in the dressing room, and was a bit of a **** as they say!:)

so whats the problem?:p

[seanfhear]

I wonder what Roy would have to say to a player that did a serious injury to himself(not roy) while trying to injure or certainly do some damage to Roy.

I think Roy has different rules for others than himself.

Haaland probably did not realise that Keane was as seriously injured as he was and probably was within his rights to give Keane a mouthful for trying to injure him.

The worrying thing about Roy Keane is that though he had plenty of time to consider that he might deserve some verbals (at the least) from Haaland he could not work out that he may have brought Haalands response upon himself in the time he was recuperating from his injury.

Most normal people would think during this time that I (roy) was a bit of an idiot there and if it had happened to some else I would think they were an idiot.
They would probably let the matter rest there and move on older and wiser.

A physopath might take a different view and plan his actions accordingly.

[Crosby87]

Have any of you ever met Keane? Just curious what he's like when there's not a camera in his face....

[seanfhear]

http://www.rte.ie/aertel/221-01.html
Just thought that I would add this as another example of the Roy Keane school of "How to win friends and gain peoples respect"

[Stuttgart88]

Neil, I think you're going way over board on the Keane / Haaland thing. Players get innocuous injuries all the time* and opponents shout "get up there's nothing wrong with you" all the time. Part of the game. As Geysir says, the fact that he let it get to him so much & that he kept it in his head for so long, suggests something wrong with the way he thinks.

*I got a kick right in the middle of the shin one time, absolute agony but it was only bruised. The following week I was playing for my work team, none of whom knew about the previous injury. I misccontrolled a pass with no opponent anywhere near me. The ball bobbled up and hit me right on the part of the shin that was bruised. I crumpled to the ground in agony and not one other person on the pitch had a clue what had happened. I was told by about 20 different people to get up and stop faking it. I didn't try and maim any of them the following year :)

[Superhoops]

Keane stayed calm for the whole lecture that he was giving by McCarthy, until McCarthy decided to accuse Keane of faking injury to avoid playing for Ireland. What would you have done, stayed queit and let him drag your name through the dirt in front of fellow players..

Keane played 67 times for Ireland. Between the time he got his first cap and his last cap, Ireland played 145 matches which means that Keane did not play in 78 matches. It would be interesting to know for how many of those matches in which he was named in the squad that he played on the weekend, was injured for the midweek international but was fit again for the following weekend. I can hardly see McCarthy making such a comment unless there was something element of suspicion in it. Seem to remember something about Keane pulling out of the second leg of the playoff against Iran in November 2001 but being fit days later to play for MU.


O.k he refused to play in Niall Quinns testomonial, I'm sorry but if i was going traveling have way across the world to captain my side at a world cup, i wouldnt want to risk the oppurtunity by playing in a testomnial. In all fairness Niall should have kept that for after the world cup.

Strange that the other 22 in the panel going to the WCF turned up and played no problem?? Suppose they shouldnt have played Nigeria in friendly a few days later either, a game in which Keane 'risked' playing.

[NeilMcD]

I am not condoning it I am understanding it thats all. What he did to Haaland was bang out of order and a terrible tackle. Part of the way he thinks I think made him recover to be a better player after the injury than before it. Often the same tunnel vision with nasty side that made him a great player is also the same trait that makes him do such horrible and nasty things like what he did to Haaland.

In the end what I really believe is that comments like pychopath and class act and over the top comments both negative and positive about Keane are stupid and do nothing for the debate on the issue. Fair play to Pat Kenny last night in one aspect that he actually asked pretty decent questions about Saipan and got Keanes take on how he would handle such a situation as manager now. I just don't go for this talk of that Keane is evil or that Keane is God and I find both points of view devoid of any rational thought really.