Roy Keane

[Den Perry]

The large guy in the blue shirt at the front had no doubts it was on the way in.

I couldn't get the song "My mamma always told me there'd be days like this" out of my head for weeks after this game. Whenever I hear it, I immediately recall that game.

Up there with Mackay's goal against Bulgaria, Houghton's double against England and Italy and Robbie's against Germany.


pity Mcateer turned out to be such a horrible, spiteful little b astard

[Stuttgart88]

In what way?

OwlsFan, I still can't get Alphaville's "Big in Japan" out of my head when thinking about that game. About the only decent & appropriate thing to ever come out of the PA system at a home international.

[geysir]

No memories of 'crying in the streets in the rain' songs?

[Drumcondra 69er]

pity Mcateer turned out to be such a horrible, spiteful little b astard

When did that happen? I must've missed that meeting......

Nothing to do with him daring to outsmart RK on the verbals front surely??

[tetsujin1979]

pity Mcateer turned out to be such a horrible, spiteful little b astard
never got that impression of Macca, quite the opposite in fact

[OwlsFan]

The final table (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_(UEFA_-_Group_2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_%28UEFA_-_Group_2)) ) looked like this


Rank Team Pld W D L GF GA GD Pts
1 Portugal 10 7 3 0 33 7 26 24
2 Ireland 10 7 3 0 23 5 18 24
3 Netherlands 10 6 2 2 30 9 21 20
4 Estonia 10 2 2 6 10 26 -16 8
5 Cyprus 10 2 2 6 13 31 -18 8
6 Andorra 10 0 0 10 5 36 -31 0
If the home game against Holland had finished level, then we would have had to equal their result against Andorra at home to Cyprus in the final game to be sure of second spot.
If the Dutch had won, then we would have finished third, because we would have been level with the Dutch following the last games, but lost out in the head to head record

To only concede 5 goals in 10 games was amazing but the sweetest of all was to beat and finish ahead of the Dutch and knock them out. Revenge is a dish best served cold. Remember Gelsenkirchen !!


pity Mcateer turned out to be such a horrible, spiteful little b astard

On what basis do you say that?

[Stuttgart88]

No memories of 'crying in the streets in the rain' songs?

No comprende senor

[bennocelt]

They should have had a clear penalty near the end when Dunne fouled Van Nistelrooy. Kluivert and Overmars had a couple of chances in the first half. Nothing too dangerous from my recollection.

thats shocking really how u could totally call that game wrong:eek:

holland were all over us, we were dead lucky

[Stuttgart88]

It was Given's foul on Van Nistelrooy, although all Given really did was stand his ground while Van N just ran straight through him. 9 times out of 10 though it'd have been a peno and a straight red.

For all the talk of Keane's early tackle we really should have been behind after only a few minutes, a Kelly error letting in Kluivert for a 1-on-1 that he comfortably beat Given with only for the ball to roll slowly past the post.

Late on Van N headed the ball narrowly past the post with Given rooted to the spot.

That's about all I can remember of the game, apart from McAteer's goal and Kelly having a general nightmare and his red card. Hasselbaink oplaying wide right at the end too - I think Van Gaal lost the plot a bit, though I think the gods favoured us for once. That whole campaign, at least after Amsterdam, was one where we got a bit more than we deserved I think, even the play off draw was kind.

[geysir]

No comprende senor
People associate a song with the good times, some associate a song with the bad times, some do both.


The Dutch did a bit of talking before that game didn't they?
Was that the one where one of the Dutch players talked about riling Keane up?

[paul_oshea]

which player?

[DeLorean]

It was Given's foul on Van Nistelrooy, although all Given really did was stand his ground while Van N just ran straight through him. 9 times out of 10 though it'd have been a peno and a straight red.

For all the talk of Keane's early tackle we really should have been behind after only a few minutes, a Kelly error letting in Kluivert for a 1-on-1 that he comfortably beat Given with only for the ball to roll slowly past the post.

Late on Van N headed the ball narrowly past the post with Given rooted to the spot.

That's about all I can remember of the game, apart from McAteer's goal and Kelly having a general nightmare and his red card. Hasselbaink oplaying wide right at the end too - I think Van Gaal lost the plot a bit, though I think the gods favoured us for once. That whole campaign, at least after Amsterdam, was one where we got a bit more than we deserved I think, even the play off draw was kind.

Zenden had the best chance I thought early on. He was through with Given well out of his goal and the ball was bouncing lovely to just lift it over him but he didn't get anywhere near enough elevation on it. He was a shocking player I always thought anyway.

[youngirish]

thats shocking really how u could totally call that game wrong:eek:

holland were all over us, we were dead lucky

Don't remember it like that. Can't remember the Dutch forcing Given into making what I would consider was a tough save. Once we scored I don't remember ever thinking they were going to come back and win.

If you want to compare it to a performance where we were dead lucky as you call it then compare it to England in Stuttgart and how many times Bonner saved us.

Here's the match report anyway:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/archive/worldcup/2001/20010901/reports/repofireland_holland_full.html

[paul_oshea]

Don't remember it like that. Can't remember the Dutch forcing Given into making what I would consider was a tough save. Once we scored I don't remember ever thinking they were going to come back and win.

If you want to compare it to a performance where we were dead lucky as you call it then compare it to England in Stuttgart and how many times Bonner saved us.

Here's the match report anyway:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/archive/worldcup/2001/20010901/reports/repofireland_holland_full.html

YI thats cos given didnt get anywhere near any of their attempts, i distinctly remember 3 where he was well beaten.

[Drumcondra 69er]

Don't remember it like that. Can't remember the Dutch forcing Given into making what I would consider was a tough save. Once we scored I don't remember ever thinking they were going to come back and win.

If you want to compare it to a performance where we were dead lucky as you call it then compare it to England in Stuttgart and how many times Bonner saved us.

Here's the match report anyway:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/archive/worldcup/2001/20010901/reports/repofireland_holland_full.html

Did you read that report? Pretty much says we were well under the cosh which kind of undermines your argument. :confused:

[youngirish]

Did you read that report? Pretty much says we were well under the cosh which kind of undermines your argument. :confused:

Never said it didn't I just didn't consider us blessed as such especially as we only needed to draw that game. It was up to the Dutch to come at us all guns blazing.

I would consider us blessed against England in 88 who looked a much better team than us on that particular day though they quickly lost their confidence for the rest of their matches after their loss.

[bennocelt]

Don't remember it like that. Can't remember the Dutch forcing Given into making what I would consider was a tough save. Once we scored I don't remember ever thinking they were going to come back and win.

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either you are very young, or are too old and the memory is going
or dare i say it havent a clue about football:eek:

I remember that game very well, the pure tension of it all, the stress of it and the very likely possibilty that any chance the Dutch went forward they were likey to score
I will never forget that tenison of that game - it sure wasnt a walk in the a park for us

[youngirish]

or dare i say it havent a clue about football:eek:

I'd say it's a safe bet I have far more of a clue than yourself so I must be too old or maybe I was too drunk.

[paul_oshea]

Thats a battle I was waiting to see for a while :D

[Den Perry]

rumour has it that Roy is interested in signing Mcshane...good God almighty

[youngirish]

rumour has it that Roy is interested in signing Mcshane...good God almighty
The future of Ireland's central defence together at Ipswich - McShane and Bruce.

[geysir]

Won't Ipswich be mentioned in connection with every Irish player available?
At least McShane is a proven performer at championship level

Roy is not the smartest when it comes to signings, any rumours that he wants Liam Miller?

[OwlsFan]

No memories of 'crying in the streets in the rain' songs?


No comprende senor


Butch Moore - caused huge excitement when Ireland came 3rd or 4th in its first attempt in the Eurovision with "Walking the Streets in the Rain".

[geysir]

That's it,
'nobody knows I am crying, because I´m walking in the streets in the rain'

[Stuttgart88]

Zenden was a shocking player I always thought anyway.Agreed, only ever got anywhere because he was Dutch I think, though what the Dutch themselves saw in him I'll never know.

[Stuttgart88]

'nobody knows I am crying, because I´m walking in the streets in the rain'He can't be that Butch if he cries.

[bennocelt]

I'd say it's a safe bet I have far more of a clue than yourself so I must be too old or maybe I was too drunk.


the only prob with that is you seem to be the only one here with that view of the dutch game?
or maybe stay of the babysham:p

[Mr A]

Roy Keane is a great man.

I've always said that.

[Colbert Report]

rumour has it that Roy is interested in signing Mcshane...good God almighty

I think that McShane is a donkey but he'd make a decent Championship centre back.

[Mr A]

Interesting comments from Niall Quinn yesterday when talking about Ricky Sbragia. Something along the lines of:

'Ricky stood up and was a man when other people walked away from the club'.

I hope he's not disparaging Roy there. As I said before, he's a great man.

[Drumcondra 69er]

Interesting comments from Niall Quinn yesterday when talking about Ricky Sbragia. Something along the lines of:

'Ricky stood up and was a man when other people walked away from the club'.

I hope he's not disparaging Roy there. As I said before, he's a great man.

Hmm, wonder who he could mean then?

Which of the below people have walked away from Sunderland this season?

a) Roy Keane

b) Roy Keane

c) Roy Keane

d) All of the above

[SunderlandBohs]

It was and it was spot on by Sir Niall!

At least Ricky was a man and went face to face with Quinn to hand in his notice unlike the moron from Mayfield did. The coward got Michael Kennedy to fax it in for him.

Ricky was man enough to step up to plate and take on the challenge and stuck in there thru thick and thin unlike the Great Keano and when realise he wasn't up to the job he walked away and said get someone who take us forward. Unlike Keane would decided to blame everyone but himself.

[macdermesser]

article in the Guardian on Gerard Pique today gives another insight into Keane .. had to laugh ...

"On one occasion, Piqué's mobile started vibrating in the dressing room. Keane went ballistic, ripping clothes from their pegs, rummaging in pockets, screaming that he would kill the man responsible. Luckily, it rang off before Keane reached Piqué's trousers. A relieved man, he told friends he had never felt closer to death."

[DeLorean]

unlike the Great Keano and when realise he wasn't up to the job

He kept the same team up the season before so I doubt he thought he wasn't up to the job.

[Drumcondra 69er]

He kept the same team up the season before so I doubt he thought he wasn't up to the job.

Wasn't the same team though, was it? He threw loads of money at it last summer and managed to make it worse....

[DeLorean]

Wasn't the same team though, was it? He threw loads of money at it last summer and managed to make it worse....

I don't think he should have walked away when he did but I seriously doubt he felt he wasn't capable of guiding them to safety this season. I'd have had a decent crack at keepin em up this yr with the rubbish down there!!

[Morbo]

It was and it was spot on by Sir Niall!

At least Ricky was a man and went face to face with Quinn to hand in his notice unlike the moron from Mayfield did. The coward got Michael Kennedy to fax it in for him.


It may have been spot on by Quinn but it does make him sound just a tad two-faced to be saying that now after his glowing comments about Keane after he just left Sunderland.

[SunderlandBohs]

It may have been spot on by Quinn but it does make him sound just a tad two-faced to be saying that now after his glowing comments about Keane after he just left Sunderland.

What about Keane's comments about Sunderland? And for having a brass neck to say he'll us if we stay up?

It just sticks in peoples stomachs that Roy Keane was proven to be a fraud and a coward. He couldn't handle the heat so he ran.

He had one of the best jobs in English football and he messed it up.

[Drumcondra 69er]

I don't think he should have walked away when he did but I seriously doubt he felt he wasn't capable of guiding them to safety this season. I'd have had a decent crack at keepin em up this yr with the rubbish down there!!

True, how embarrassing was it seeing Phil Borwn singing on the pitch after the run they had. Very dislikeable individual that man....

[geysir]

Time obviously has given Niall a proper perspective on past events at his club.

Didn't Keane bring Sbragia in as his nr 2?
He must have forgotten that your nr. 2 should be somebody competent but not actually better than you at the job.

[Den Perry]

What about Keane's comments about Sunderland? And for having a brass neck to say he'll us if we stay up?

It just sticks in peoples stomachs that Roy Keane was proven to be a fraud and a coward. He couldn't handle the heat so he ran.

He had one of the best jobs in English football and he messed it up.

Whos "us"? Is it Sunderland? or is it Bohs?

[SunderlandBohs]

Whos "us"? Is it Sunderland? or is it Bohs?
Us would mean Sunderland. But they again I would put it pass Keane to sue Bohs over something, the nut job!

[DeLorean]

True, how embarrassing was it seeing Phil Borwn singing on the pitch after the run they had. Very dislikeable individual that man....

Ya he's a complete plonker that fella. How the hell can a team stay up after 1 win in 22 games. Goes to show how well they started and how bad the rest of the teams down there actually were.

[geysir]

Sunderland didn't start well in the league, it was their mid season form apres Roy, which garnered them the safety points.
Goes to prove that Roy was part of the problem but with their late season form other fundamental issues come to the fore - like the squad that Roy built.

[Stuttgart88]

Makes a mockery of the all-conquering Premier League. 5 teams would have gone down this year if there was any justice. At least WBA tried to do something! The others should be embarassed. Pathetic.


Gabriele Marcoti had a good article in The Times today saying how good the Bundesliga is. The best teams aren't as good as the best EPL teams but the gap between top & bottom is smaller, the crowds are bigger (avg 50k), there are more goals per game (2.03 I think) and the season goes down to the wire with more than 2 teams competing for the title, and usually different teams.

[Den Perry]

Makes a mockery of the all-conquering Premier League. 5 teams would have gone down this year if there was any justice. At least WBA tried to do something! The others should be embarassed. Pathetic.


Gabriele Marcoti had a good article in The Times today saying how good the Bundesliga is. The best teams aren't as good as the best EPL teams but the gap between top & bottom is smaller, the crowds are bigger (avg 50k), there are more goals per game (2.03 I think) and the season goes down to the wire with more than 2 teams competing for the title, and usually different teams.


On the topic of Bundesliga, what channels show highlights / live matches from this ?and whenIn fact when can one see highlights from the various European league matches?I have all the channels except Setanta...is it Eurosport that show them?

[Drumcondra 69er]

On the topic of Bundesliga, what channels show highlights / live matches from this ?and whenIn fact when can one see highlights from the various European league matches?I have all the channels except Setanta...is it Eurosport that show them?

You're out of luck so, Setanta show the extensive highlights package, don't think anyone takes live games though....

German league is best run in Europe but ironically suffers in the Champions league as a result. All based around the fans experience, safe terracing, cheap tickets, live football on terrestrial tv, everything that the Premiership isn't.

[Den Perry]

You're out of luck so, Setanta show the extensive highlights package, don't think anyone takes live games though....

German league is best run in Europe but ironically suffers in the Champions league as a result. All based around the fans experience, safe terracing, cheap tickets, live football on terrestrial tv, everything that the Premiership isn't.

Cheers for that

[paul_oshea]

ive always wanted to hear EGs views on the roy keane saipan affair, for once i reckon he would have 50 percent on his side as oppossed to 100% against him :D

[geysir]

You're optimistic, true to type he would be incapable of expressing his opinion without mentioning Mick's Englishness and Roy's choice of pre match ballads.
So he would manage to wind up everybody.