Roy Keane

[dr_peepee]

He needs a "Good Cop" as his number 2 and a better scouting network..

[irishfan86]

I think he'd make a better pundit. Rip everybody apart all the time, without the pressure of doing anything constructive.

Would be more entertaining than the cliche brigades on the major networks...although knowing him, he'd get an e-mail with some negativity towards him in it, and quit due to the pressure.

[rebelmusic]

Guys, again i cant name the source, but basically the squad are in fear of him. I've been told he berates them in the dressing room to a degree you'd expect off a bully in a schoolyard.

If you watch the game back from tue night, you can see the defenders are simply afraid to take any risks, which to me is a sign that they dont want to be singled out for blame by him.

I've been a huge fan of keane always, but after hearing some of the stories i've heard, i'm not sure he's cut out for this, at least until he's calmed down.

And apparently the stuff he said to owen garvan was just baffling.

[irishfan86]

And apparently the stuff he said to owen garvan was just baffling.

It's twice as bad considering Garvan apparently idolized him as well.

[Crosby87]

And apparently the stuff he said to owen garvan was just baffling.

Yeah I heard he asked Owen, "Why is a raven like a writingdesk?"

[Greenbod]

Yeah I heard he asked Owen, "Why is a raven like a writingdesk?"

What did Owen say???

[Greenbod]

What's the difference between Roy Keane and a mad raving lunatic?

[drummerboy]

Keane was never cut out to be a manager. He bought his way into the Premiership at Sunderland. When there he failed miserably. His only way of influencing players is to put the fear of God into them. Basically he is a bully, and we all know what happens to them, eventually.

[John83]

Keane was never cut out to be a manager. He bought his way into the Premiership at Sunderland. When there he failed miserably. His only way of influencing players is to put the fear of God into them. Basically he is a bully, and we all know what happens to them, eventually.
Ferguson and Clough were bullies too. It's not as simple as that.

[drummerboy]

Ferguson and Clough were bullies too. It's not as simple as that.

They may have been bullies but they were very astute tactically; which is something Keane has lacked. Fergie and Clough didn't constantly change players, they built teams up gradually with patience; continually fine tunin their teams. Keane makes mass changes after one defeat, banishing players like Owen Garvan forever, after one bad game. Totally off the wall.

[OwlsFan]

I suspect an awful lot of this stuff about Keane is hearsay and based upon what we think he would be like as a manager. Rumours have wings (Duirt bean liom go nduirt bean lei). 95% of managers let rip in the dressing room (unless your the Hull manager that is and you do it on the pitch at half time). Nothing new there.

I wouldn't write him off yet either. I am definitely no fan but it is way too early in the season to say he's doomed.

[irishfan86]

I think painting Clough and Ferguson as bullies isn't fair. Yes they have been hard on players at times, but this was because they wanted to get the best out of players.

But equally, these managers knew when to push, and when to ease up and put the arm over the shoulder and help players going through poor form.

Clough and Ferguson had an understanding of how to deal with players and react to unique circumstances appropriately.

Keane on the other hand seems to react to every negative situation in the same uncompromising and brash manner.

You ask the majority of players who played for Clough and Ferguson what they thought of them, and you'd get pretty positive feedback I'd say. Keane on the other hand couldn't convince his former players McShane and Murphy to leave the Sunderland reserves to play for him at Ipswich.

[Ozymandias]

I think painting Clough and Ferguson as bullies isn't fair. Yes they have been hard on players at times, but this was because they wanted to get the best out of players.

But equally, these managers knew when to push, and when to ease up and put the arm over the shoulder and help players going through poor form.

Clough and Ferguson had an understanding of how to deal with players and react to unique circumstances appropriately.

Keane on the other hand seems to react to every negative situation in the same uncompromising and brash manner.

You ask the majority of players who played for Clough and Ferguson what they thought of them, and you'd get pretty positive feedback I'd say. Keane on the other hand couldn't convince his former players McShane and Murphy to leave the Sunderland reserves to play for him at Ipswich.
Would that be because they didn't want to drop down a division and take a pay cut or is it definitely because of Keane. remember Sunderland had agreed a fee with Hull but murphy couldn't agree terms..same with ipswich....Keane did convince edwards, leadbitter and colback to join him..all former players

[geysir]

They may have been bullies but they were very astute tactically; which is something Keane has lacked. Fergie and Clough didn't constantly change players, they built teams up gradually with patience; continually fine tunin their teams. Keane makes mass changes after one defeat, banishing players like Owen Garvan forever, after one bad game. Totally off the wall.
You mean there is little method to Roy's madness?:)
He doesn't have the gravitas or the nous to put a method onto his drive and use his temper judiciously.
Otherwise, with the right back up team, he would be a top manager.

[seanfhear]

Pehaps Roy should have served his time as a number 2 for a while and learned his trade.

One of the things that I admired most about Roy through out his football careeer is that he continued to learn as his career progressed.
e.g. Roys passing improved a hell of a lot from when he first joined UTD.

If he gets time and shows that willingness to learn then maybe he can become a good manager.

Football managers careers are in the hands of the group of players that he has.

It is an art not a science to get the best out of the players.

One player may do the business with a kick up the backside, another may need to feel that he is needed/important and so on.

A manager may be able to get one player or another moved on.

A group of players can certainly get a manager sacked.

[shakermaker1982]

still early days. 46 games in a Championship season and it's a long season. 3 wins on the bounce and your mid table.

All this talk of Keane scaring the whole team........are they men or mice? Stand up to him, put a transfer request in or buckle down in training. DO NOT run to the Sun crying about him kicking things over like a little snitch.

[Noelys Guitar]

still early days. 46 games in a Championship season and it's a long season. 3 wins on the bounce and your mid table.

All this talk of Keane scaring the whole team........are they men or mice? Stand up to him, put a transfer request in or buckle down in training. DO NOT run to the Sun crying about him kicking things over like a little snitch.

Especially when you consider that Bobby Robson/Clough/Ferguson etc fought with some of their own players. Back to back wins could see Ipswich half way up the table. Then again back to back losses could see out the door.

[geysir]

All this talk of Keane scaring the whole team........are they men or mice? Stand up to him, put a transfer request in or buckle down in training. DO NOT run to the Sun crying about him kicking things over like a little snitch.
Are you talking about Dwight Yorke?
I doubt very much if Keane could scare Yorke or that Yorke was crying about Keane.
How many years was Yorke developing his immunity to the master of wrath, Ferguson?

[Drumcondra 69er]

Are you talking about Dwight Yorke?
I doubt very much if Keane could scare Yorke or that Yorke was crying about Keane.
How many years was Yorke developing his immunity to the master of wrath, Ferguson?

Yorke was looking to sell his book via a serialisation, something Roy should be pretty familiar with seeing as something similar earned him a 6 (?) game ban for mouthing off about Alfie when his book came out.

In fairness the stories Yorke tells tally with what Clarke had said and with the noises coming from Ipswich. A two page spread in a rag likle the News of the World is the least of RK's worries at present I'm sure in any case.

[seanfhear]

Especially when you consider that Bobby Robson/Clough/Ferguson etc fought with some of their own players. Back to back wins could see Ipswich half way up the table. Then again back to back losses could see out the door.
Ipswich have 5 points. It would take about 4wins to get you half way up the table.

Ipswich still have 36 games to go so they certainly have plenty of time to get out of it but they sure have to win some matches soon.

Ipswich were an average champioship team last season. At this stage this season they are the worst team in the league (bottom at the moment).

Roy was given money to bring in players which he has done but the team has got worse.
Did he play 1.75 million for Priskin. I do not believe that he is worth that kind of money.

Hopefully he turns it around because if this ends up disasterously then will we see Roy back in management. We could do with as many Irishmen doing as well in management as possible.

Others that want to go into it may be better to serve an apprenticeship with more experienced managers or at clubs lower down the league without such big expectation.

[shakermaker1982]

Are you talking about Dwight Yorke?
I doubt very much if Keane could scare Yorke or that Yorke was crying about Keane.
How many years was Yorke developing his immunity to the master of wrath, Ferguson?

No I was thinking of Clarke.

I know Yorke was giving some gossip up about Keane in some big NOTW exclusive last weekend but I didn't read the article. Has he got a book coming out or just making £ out of Jordan?

[SunnySweeney]

Keep in mind that Ipswich haven't had an easy start. They have played ten games in total - but five of those games were against teams that currently occupy 5 of the top 6 places in the table. It seems like the team and manager are just beginning to find their feet now. I'd expect to see them put some points on the board in the next few weeks.

[geysir]

No I was thinking of Clarke.

I know Yorke was giving some gossip up about Keane in some big NOTW exclusive last weekend but I didn't read the article. Has he got a book coming out or just making £ out of Jordan?

I read the Yorke "exclusives" in the NOTW - for educational purposes only.
But I didn't find any clues how to pull a good looking bird except it's a plus to have a limitless supply of cash and gullibility.

I suspect the obvious, that it bugs Keane no end to deal with players who will not be intimidated/bullied by him.

[Junior]

. Has he got a book coming out or just making £ out of Jordan?

Hes got a book out called 'Born to Score' or something like that. He was on TalkSport earlier in the week promoting it, though most of the talk was about Jordan and his son Harvey to be honest.

geysir he was at Man U for 4 Years (so he said on talksport) and 9 years at Villa I think.

I wonder who does Roy talk to for advice on managerial matters? From the type of character he is, I doubt he has that many friends in the game and also perhaps personal pride (wrongly in my opinion) might stop him calling upon help or advice.

Does he give Fergie a call? Certainly not Mick Mc, Cloughy no longer with us,

Does he have shoulder to lean on?????

[geysir]

At least Roy can't complain that life is not throwing up opportunities for him to learn and mend some ways.

[shakermaker1982]

Hes got a book out called 'Born to Score' or something like that. He was on TalkSport earlier in the week promoting it, though most of the talk was about Jordan and his son Harvey to be honest.

geysir he was at Man U for 4 Years (so he said on talksport) and 9 years at Villa I think.

I wonder who does Roy talk to for advice on managerial matters? From the type of character he is, I doubt he has that many friends in the game and also perhaps personal pride (wrongly in my opinion) might stop him calling upon help or advice.

Does he give Fergie a call? Certainly not Mick Mc, Cloughy no longer with us,

Does he have shoulder to lean on?????


From the interviews and articles done on Keane you get the impression that he doesn't have too many friends in the football world. I'd say he is too stubborn to pick up the phone and have a chat with Fergie after their bust up but then again he made up with Mick so maybe he does speak to the grandmaster of British football management. If he had any sense he would give him a call... Fergie seems to be the go guy for most of the other PL managers in times of trouble and though he is portrayed as some kind of pyschotic Scotsman in the media the other managers do look up to him and express their gratitude for the advice he has offered them over the years.

I think his number 2 (Loughlan) is his shoulder to cry on and I'm pretty sure I read a recent interview with Keane with regards to him bringing in new members of the back room to Sunderland last season that ended in disaster. Trust being the main issue.

[EastTerracer]

If nothing else, he's still capable of a withering stare to put down a journalist. Take a look at the last few seconds of the clip below.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/i/ipswich_town/8289291.stm

[geysir]

That's weird because when Roy decides to walk away (act IV) the footnote from Roy will inform us that it was act of great courage and honesty.

[tricky_colour]

If nothing else, he's still capable of a withering stare to put down a journalist. Take a look at the last few seconds of the clip below.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/i/ipswich_town/8289291.stm

Ha ha the interviewer had enough sense not to push him any further on the matter, "start the ambulance".

[theworm2345]

Does he give Fergie a call? Certainly not Mick Mc, Cloughy no longer with us
I remember watching him on The Late Late Show awhile back and he said he does not talk with Alex Ferguson. I guess Mark Hughes and Steve Bruce though.

Click "more" and then click Roy Keane and its 3:20 in
http://www.rte.ie/tv/latelate/20090501.html

[OwlsFan]

If nothing else, he's still capable of a withering stare to put down a journalist. Take a look at the last few seconds of the clip below.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/i/ipswich_town/8289291.stm


The question was asked just to get a reaction. I don't think the stare was that withering. Because it's Keane, people say "start the ambulance". All he did was look at the reporter and say he refuses to answer the question.

As we have always suspected with Keane, he can give it but can't take it.

[Den Perry]

Being an arrogant hothead prone to rash decision making isn't a huge detriment during a playing career, if you're as talented a player as Roy was; however, these same attributes which made him such a feared midfield general are leading to his downfall, as he chops and changes too frequently, and makes no effort to build his players up at all, instead cutting them down in the press at every opportunity.

Add to this the fact that he probably has the worst scouting network in Britain, and what do you have?

What do you know about his scouting network? please tell us more....

[Stuttgart88]

Owen Garvan turns down a loan move to Colchester,

[seanfhear]

Being an arrogant hothead prone to rash decision making isn't a huge detriment during a playing career, if you're as talented a player as Roy was; however, these same attributes which made him such a feared midfield general are leading to his downfall, as he chops and changes too frequently, and makes no effort to build his players up at all, instead cutting them down in the press at every opportunity.

Add to this the fact that he probably has the worst scouting network in Britain, and what do you have?


What do you know about his scouting network? please tell us more....
You do not need to know much about his scouting network to know that it is a bad scouting network.
Roy Keane seems to have the unhappy knack of signing bad players for the two clubs that he has managed.
If you are signing poor players then maybe the scouting system needs to be changed.
I am beginning to wonder if Roy is more concerned about the financial side of his deals(who he is doing the deals with) than the quality of player he is signing.

[Soccer Mom]

Here is a new analysis of the Saipan Incident involving Roy Keane before the World Cup in 2002.

http://www.soccer-ireland.com/saipan/index.htm

[amaccann]

The question was asked just to get a reaction. I don't think the stare was that withering. Because it's Keane, people say "start the ambulance". All he did was look at the reporter and say he refuses to answer the question.

As we have always suspected with Keane, he can give it but can't take it.
Perhaps, but to be honest Keane's reaction was as bad. Most managers either just blandly dismiss it, and some have the decency to joke about it. Not old Keano; why do I always get the suspicion that this is a man who has perhaps zero sense of humour.

[Soccer Mom]

... Not old Keano; why do I always get the suspicion that this is a man who has perhaps zero sense of humour.

Based upon my research he does have a sense of humour - it's just that it isn't always switched on.

[seanfhear]

Based upon my research he does have a sense of humour - it's just that it isn't always switched on.
The Psycho bit is always on or at the very least on alert standby:p

[amaccann]

Based upon my research he does have a sense of humour - it's just that it isn't always switched on.
Maybe I should rephrase; part of a healthy personality (I think) is the ability to not take yourself too seriously. Knowing when to stand back and say "you know, I'm a bit of an eejit sometimes, sorry lads". Roy Keane knows not this trick. I doubt he even knows it exists.

[Greenforever]

Here is a new analysis of the Saipan Incident involving Roy Keane before the World Cup in 2002.

http://www.soccer-ireland.com/saipan/index.htm



The conclusions seem very valid, maybe it's just a Cork thing :D

[geysir]

:D
That was my final thought too.

[Soccer Mom]

It's a little bit more than that because he seems to have problems with some people from Cork also because they're not from the right part of the city. He is always quick to point out that Denis Irwin was from the 'wrong' side of Cork and that Stephen Ireland is not from Cork - 'he's from Cobh'.

[seanfhear]

Life is trying to teach Roy but is Roy still willing to learn.

Please do not tell Roy I said that.:p

[geysir]

It's a little bit more than that because he seems to have problems with some people from Cork also because they're not from the right part of the city. He is always quick to point out that Denis Irwin was from the 'wrong' side of Cork and that Stephen Ireland is not from Cork - 'he's from Cobh'.
That's still a 'Cork thing'.

[DeLorean]

Not sure of the purpose of such a biased report. If the blame was that one sided I don't think the country would have been so divided. Personally I could see Keane's frustrations but still think he should have played in the WC, especially when given the opportunity to return.

[Drumcondra 69er]

Not sure of the purpose of such a biased report. If the blame was that one sided I don't think the country would have been so divided. Personally I could see Keane's frustrations but still think he should have played in the WC, especially when given the opportunity to return.

If Roy Keane didn't play for Manchester United then it's always been my opinion that the country wouldn't have been so divided. That fact that so many people in Ireland are slavishly devoted to MUFC skewed things for me but that's just my take on it. There were obviously exceptions.....

[DeLorean]

If Roy Keane didn't play for Manchester United then it's always been my opinion that the country wouldn't have been so divided. That fact that so many people in Ireland are slavishly devoted to MUFC skewed things for me but that's just my take on it. There were obviously exceptions.....

Fairly valid point but I also felt the opposite applied in that ABU's probably went against him due to his United connection.

[Drumcondra 69er]

Fairly valid point but I also felt the opposite applied in that ABU's probably went against him due to his United connection.

You could argue that alright although the likes of Paul McGarth and Denis Irwin were universally loved by all Irish fans despite their Man U connections, there were previous issues with RK and a good portion of the Ireland support despite people's unwillingness to mention it now.

Not that I'd fault his on field contribution obviously.

[geysir]

Not sure of the purpose of such a biased report.
That report looks objective enough. The compiler's conclusions are his own opinions.

[seand]

I read the reports intro, methodolgy and conclusions (like most people I guess!) Reading the methodology I fully expected a pro-Keane rant... the methodology section states that his primary source is Keane's biog and interviews with Keane.... i.e. everything from Roy's point of view. So I was surprised to find the conclusions so strongly anti-Keane. I'm guessing the author may have come into it with some baggage, but perhaps not, perhaps that's his honest conclusion after what appears to have been a huge amount of research.