Liverpool

[old git]

One myth they dispeled was Man U are untouchable;):D

no team untouchable just the good old british media once again building up teams ... but in liverpools case beat utd twice and probally still not win league .. unfortunatly records only matter for league winners ,, i'm sure all the utd fans out there will be more than happy if utd win the league even with these 2 defeats to their bitter rivals :ball:

[shakermaker1982]

if Manchester United win another 3 trophies this season then I'm sure losing to Liverpool will be a distant memory. Man City beat United twice last season. So what? United won the double!!!

[Roadend]

if Manchester United win another 3 trophies this season then I'm sure losing to Liverpool will be a distant memory. Man City beat United twice last season. So what? United won the double!!!

They weren;t better than City though:p

[old git]

They weren;t better than City though:p

are u for real .... last year. preimer league champions / champions league winners but beaten twice by city oh yes what a disaster :D:D

[Shilts]

While Man U will prob win the league again this year I think Rafa is getting Liverpool closer to them all the time. To get to United's level Liverpool will need to spend more and buy better. But without the cash I don't think that Liverpool have a level playing field at the moment. I think Rafa has done a great job for Liverpool and will win the league... but not just yet.

[Roadend]

are u for real ....

Well they tried to beat them twice and couldn't, so I'd say thhere must be a reason for that:D

[bennocelt]

While Man U will prob win the league again this year I think Rafa is getting Liverpool closer to them all the time. To get to United's level Liverpool will need to spend more and buy better. But without the cash I don't think that Liverpool have a level playing field at the moment. I think Rafa has done a great job for Liverpool and will win the league... but not just yet.

ha ha ha - thanks for that - hilarious:)
how much again for Robbie keane, look at all the rubbish he has bought - how many of the Liverppol team would get on the Man u team?
cash - bloody hell hasnt rafa B spent enough money?

[Pike B]

ha ha ha - thanks for that - hilarious:)
how much again for Robbie keane, look at all the rubbish he has bought - how many of the Liverppol team would get on the Man u team?
cash - bloody hell hasnt rafa B spent enough money?
Carragher
Mascherano
Gerrard
Alonso
Torres

So thats almost half.. ;)

[Closed Account 2]

Reina next season too maybe ? Van Der Saaar is not getting any younger and I still think if he's put under a lot of pressure his prone to the occasional error - by that I mean say he's not as solid as Schmeichel in say 1998...

[NeilMcD]

Carragher and Alonso would not get near the team and I dont think Mascherano would either Gerrard and Torres would and thats about it.

my logic is that centre backs are all about partnerships so Carragher and Vidic together would not work as there would be a lack of pace. As a result Carragher would be competing with Vidic and he is not as good as him.

Seconly Alonso would be competing with Scholes and Carrick and I do not think he is as good as either. He is a good player but not quite as good as Scholes or Carrick.

Mascherano is one dimensional and only works in a 3 man central midfielder where he can do the defensive job to perfection but is lacking when it comes to creating. As a result he gets found out when playing as a two in central midfield.

Gerrard and Torres would be good enough though.

[Pike B]

Carragher and Alonso would not get near the team and I dont think Mascherano would either Gerrard and Torres would and thats about it.
I disagree, but it happens a lot when you post.

[NeilMcD]

Do you honestly think that Carragher is a better centre half than Vidic.

I am presuming you are a Liverpool fan from your posts and you also seem to hate Manchester Utd whereas I do not give a damn about either team to be honest and just commenting it from an unbiased perspective. Still opinion at the end of the day but judging from your other posts about Liverpool and Man Utd I do think you will find it hard to be objective on this issue.

[Pike B]

Do you honestly think that Carragher is a better centre half than Vidic.

I am presuming you are a Liverpool fan from your posts and you also seem to hate Manchester Utd whereas I do not give a damn about either team to be honest and just commenting it from an unbiased perspective. Still opinion at the end of the day but judging from your other posts about Liverpool and Man Utd I do think you will find it hard to be objective on this issue.
Yes. I do.

Yes. I am a Liverpool fan. But I believe these players are good enough regardless.

No. I hate no football team.

No. I don't think I'll find it hard at all..

[NeilMcD]

Yes. I do.

Yes. I am a Liverpool fan. But I believe these players are good enough regardless.

No. I hate no football team.

No. I don't think I'll find it hard at all..

A deluded Liverpool fan I see. Must be tough waiting so many years to win a league again but sure get used to waiting esp if any of your future managers think that Carragher is better than Vidic the best player in the Premiership this season.

[Pike B]

A deluded Liverpool fan I see. Must be tough waiting so many years to win a league again but sure get used to waiting esp if any of your future managers think that Carragher is better than Vidic the best player in the Premiership this season.
Torres roasted him good though didn't he... ;)

[NeilMcD]

Torres roasted him good though didn't he... ;)

Yeah one game. I would base my judgement on a number of seaons to be honest rather than one game and to be honest Torres is probably best striker in the world at the moment when fit.

[Pike B]

Yeah one game. I would base my judgement on a number of seaons to be honest rather than one game and to be honest Torres is probably best striker in the world at the moment when fit.
I am an admirer of Vidic. But I honestly think he's been given way too much credit for what he's done this season. Carra's been doing the same thing for us for a decade, but gets nowhere near the adulation or plaudits. Never could figure out why.

[bennocelt]

Carragher
Mascherano
Gerrard
Alonso
Torres

So thats almost half.. ;)

really? are you sure about this?
I have no beef with liverpool etc, but i thik rafa is rubbish, and their team has so many overrated players

Vidic is player of the year IMHO, where would you fit Gerrard in? Alonso and mascherano dont suit man u' style of play, and i would prefer ronaldo, tevez to torres

[Angus]

So Manure and Chelsea both lose - if this was a normal season you would put all of negative equity on liverpool to p*** it up tomorrow - however it isn't a normal season and liverpool, at last, have a world class striker - a world class player, indeed, for a change

Torres is the one aspect of liverpool that makes you think they can catch manu - man u were awful today and SAF has a job now

He has a big decision to make - the hairdresser has been messing about for a month and should be dropped - but that is a big decision

They prob have a big enough lead but liverpool have had a super chance to win this league - their main oppo are not playing well - yet they still have a mountain to climb

Tomorrow will tell a tale - it could be down to a point admittedely not with level games but squeaky bum time it is

[shakermaker1982]

Carragher better than Vidic? Are you serious?

Torres would walk into the Man Utd team. He's world class and Fergie would find a place for him somehow but the rest would not make my Man Utd lineup.

[awec]

Footballing master class today.

[jebus]

I don't support either club but to say Torres is the only player Sir Ferg could find a place for is rubbish

Reina, Alonso and Mascherano would get into United's first team and Agger, Gerrard and Ardebola would push for places as well, admittedly with Ardebola it would be because Neville is finished and Rafael probably needs another year or two

[sligofan4ever]

I don't support either club but to say Torres is the only player Sir Ferg could find a place for is rubbish

Reina, Alonso and Mascherano would get into United's first team and Agger, Gerrard and Ardebola would push for places as well, admittedly with Ardebola it would be because Neville is finished and Rafael probably needs another year or two


Arbeloa ;).

[jebus]

I thought my spelling looked more like something you'd pick up off a girl on a sun holiday alright

[shakermaker1982]

I don't support either club but to say Torres is the only player Sir Ferg could find a place for is rubbish

Reina, Alonso and Mascherano would get into United's first team and Agger, Gerrard and Ardebola would push for places as well, admittedly with Ardebola it would be because Neville is finished and Rafael probably needs another year or two

I'd have Van der Sar over Reina every day of the week between the sticks. He can deal with crossers for starters.

Alonso is a top player who I rate highly but I'd still take Scholes. Next season I might have to change my opinion but Scholes on his day is still as good as anybody and is a big game player (excluding the Fulham game). Agger cannot even get into the Liverpool first 11 at times so it's unlikely that he'd dislodge the best central partnership in the Premiership.

[Pike B]

Lads, does anyone else get as much pure joy from watching Xabi Alonso play as I do??
He is an incredible talent. Best passer of the ball I've ever seen. Never gets dispossesed and rarely a ball he passes gets intercepted. That pass from left to right to Kuyt yesterday was insane.

[Roadend]

Lads, does anyone else get as much pure joy from watching Xabi Alonso play as I do??
He is an incredible talent. Best passer of the ball I've ever seen. Never gets dispossesed and rarely a ball he passes gets intercepted. That pass from left to right to Kuyt yesterday was insane.

He wouldn't get into the utd. team though;)

[van der wheil]

Carragher and Alonso would not get near the team and I dont think Mascherano would either Gerrard and Torres would and thats about it.

my logic is that centre backs are all about partnerships so Carragher and Vidic together would not work as there would be a lack of pace. As a result Carragher would be competing with Vidic and he is not as good as him.

Seconly Alonso would be competing with Scholes and Carrick and I do not think he is as good as either. He is a good player but not quite as good as Scholes or Carrick.

Mascherano is one dimensional and only works in a 3 man central midfielder where he can do the defensive job to perfection but is lacking when it comes to creating. As a result he gets found out when playing as a two in central midfield.

Gerrard and Torres would be good enough though.

Whatever about scholes but bloody carrick LOL - wouldnt even get in the spanish squad

[van der wheil]

Lads, does anyone else get as much pure joy from watching Xabi Alonso play as I do??
He is an incredible talent. Best passer of the ball I've ever seen. Never gets dispossesed and rarely a ball he passes gets intercepted. That pass from left to right to Kuyt yesterday was insane.

Very good player Pike B - Best passer of a ball i ever seen was ronald koeman.

[Pike B]

He wouldn't get into the utd. team though;)
:D:D
Very good..

[KK77]

[QUOTE=NeilMcD;1126363]
Mascherano is one dimensional and only works in a 3 man central midfielder where he can do the defensive job to perfection but is lacking when it comes to creating. As a result he gets found out when playing as a two in central midfield.

Got found out in Old Trafford last week;):D

[Roo69]

While Man U will prob win the league again this year I think Rafa is getting Liverpool closer to them all the time. To get to United's level Liverpool will need to spend more and buy better. But without the cash I don't think that Liverpool have a level playing field at the moment. I think Rafa has done a great job for Liverpool and will win the league... but not just yet.

I'd totally agree with that, Liverpool are getting better and closer to United. Liverpool big problem since Rafa came in is not the amount of money he has spent, but who he has spent it on. The quality of a lot of the players he has bought have not been up to that standard. Somone told me he had signed somthing like 50 players in the space of 4 years ? and something similar have left the club.

[NeilMcD]

[QUOTE=NeilMcD;1126363]
Mascherano is one dimensional and only works in a 3 man central midfielder where he can do the defensive job to perfection but is lacking when it comes to creating. As a result he gets found out when playing as a two in central midfield.

Got found out in Old Trafford last week;):D

Well he had Alonso and Gerrard in front of him. He is one dimenional when playing in a 2 man midfield and two strikers up front. To be fair to Benitez he is playing a system that suits all the players esp the spine of the team. He is a good player I am not slagging him but I prefer my midfielders to be a bit more creative than he is.

[Stuttgart88]

I'd pay money to watch Alonso just kick a ball against a wall. One of the most elegant players in the world.

[NeilMcD]

He is playing very well this year. He had a poor season last season but fair play to him he has managed to get over the summer he had with the rumours over Barry etc. Fair play to him

[Pike B]

He is playing very well this year. He had a poor season last season but fair play to him he has managed to get over the summer he had with the rumours over Barry etc. Fair play to him
It makes you wonder how the hell Benitez ever even considered Barry in the same class as Alonso really.
Thank God it didn't work out. I hope we tie Xabi to the club for life. After Stevie G and Carra he is our most important player.

[KK77]

[QUOTE=Rafa B;1128108]

Well he had Alonso and Gerrard in front of him. He is one dimenional when playing in a 2 man midfield and two strikers up front. To be fair to Benitez he is playing a system that suits all the players esp the spine of the team. He is a good player I am not slagging him but I prefer my midfielders to be a bit more creative than he is.

He didn't have Alonso in front of him Alonso didn't play;) He had Lucas alongside him with Gerrard in front off Torres. Even if we did have Alonso they play as a pair;)

[reder]

It makes you wonder how the hell Benitez ever even considered Barry in the same class as Alonso really.
Thank God it didn't work out. I hope we tie Xabi to the club for life. After Stevie G and Carra he is our most important player.

I would be very surprised if serious attempts are not made to sign Barry this summer by Liverpool. A large portion of whatever transfer money will be available will be splashed on him. Personally, I think it could be spent on other areas in the team but I suspect that the manager has his heart set on him.

Personally, Id have Alonso over Barry everytime. He has been Liverpool's player of the season and it was always a pleasure to watch him play in the flesh. Throughout the current season, he is exactly what a Liverpool player should be, both on and off the field.

Dont be surprised if it's Alonso out and Barry in this summer.

[Pike B]

Dont be surprised if it's Alonso out and Barry in this summer.
I hope to God your wrong mate. I really do.

[NeilMcD]

[QUOTE=NeilMcD;1129013]

He didn't have Alonso in front of him Alonso didn't play;) He had Lucas alongside him with Gerrard in front off Torres. Even if we did have Alonso they play as a pair;)

The point is still the same in that he had 2 midfielders ahead of him to create and for him to the defensive work.

[KK77]

[QUOTE=Rafa B;1129330]

The point is still the same in that he had 2 midfielders ahead of him to create and for him to the defensive work.

:rolleyes:

[Pike B]

I have to say that I was of a similar opinion as Neil about Javier before this season. I thought he was all work no technique, a Makelele if you like. But in the last few months I'm seeing him pass better than ever, aswell as having the odd pop at goal. I think Diego making him captain of Argentina has given him new confidence in himself and he is becoming more Viera like than Makelele. He is still young too and will only get better. I think he is now a must starter for us every game.
And he would get in the United team!! :p

[KK77]

I have to say that I was of a similar opinion as Neil about Javier before this season. I thought he was all work no technique, a Makelele if you like. But in the last few months I'm seeing him pass better than ever, aswell as having the odd pop at goal. I think Diego making him captain of Argentina has given him new confidence in himself and he is becoming more Viera like than Makelele. He is still young too and will only get better. I think he is now a must starter for us every game.
And he would get in the United team!! :p

In fairness Mascherano is not a creative midfielder but he brings other things to the team. Anyway the point is he plays in a 4-4-2 for Liverpool or if you want to get all technical a 4-4-1-1:D

[Pike B]

In fairness Mascherano is not a creative midfielder but he brings other things to the team. Anyway the point is he plays in a 4-4-2 for Liverpool or if you want to get all technical a 4-4-1-1:D
No, not creative, but he is improving this side of his game. He and Alonso are the best midfield two in Europe at present.

[Roadend]

No, not creative, but he is improving this side of his game. He and Alonso are the best midfield two in Europe at present.

Calm down there sonny, I like them too but this is incorrect

[Pike B]

Calm down there sonny, I like them too but this is incorrect
I don't think it is.
I mean who's better as a two currently?

[stojkovic]

I don't think it is.
I mean who's better as a two currently?

Xavi and Iniesta.

[Weatherman]

I don't think it is.
I mean who's better as a two currently?

Fletcher and park!

[dfx-]

It makes you wonder how the hell Benitez ever even considered Barry in the same class as Alonso really.

Because Alonso had two awful seasons before this one.

Judging by some "Only Torres" Utd fans in this thread they would consider Anderson and Nani better than Alonso and Mascherano..:rolleyes:

[John83]

Because Alonso had two awful seasons before this one.
I know he was quiet last year, but I thought he was pretty good the year before? Maybe my memory's playing tricks on me.


Judging by some "Only Torres" Utd fans in this thread they would consider Anderson and Nani better than Alonso and Mascherano..:rolleyes:
Why are you picking on that poor straw man?