Liverpool

[Roadend]

A welcome gimme tonight for Liverpool. Thankfully Birmingham couldnt score in a brothel at the moment so an easy 3 points is on the cards.

Talk about tempting fate;)

[reder]

Yes Liverpool have a magnificent history but have been far from magnificent for the past 20 years. There have been a few glory days to keep us supporters faithful but the lack of consistancy is heartbreaking.The whole downturn has coincided with David Moores reign as Chairman and his legacy is the mess we are in now in due to his sale to the americans for a few million more than DIC were offering. Add to this the explosion of football revenues and Liverpools failure to capitalise on the global brand until recently along with billionaire owners buying clubs,the miracle is that we are(were) competing with Man u and Chelsea for the past 4-5 years.

Finishing 2nd last year, winning champions league + another final are examples of punching above our weight. Sunderland and Spurs are investing more money in there squads than Liverpool, they also have larger wage bills. The facts are that Benetiz has had less than 20 million net spend each year to invest in the squad and this year the lack of investment has caught up,we have leveled off. We have a very poor squad depth in terms of quality, money buys quality and we dont have any:(

A few quick points on this :

1) The Moores family were an integral part of the club for 50 years. They were backing the club when league titles were the norm.

2) Under Moores as chairman, Liverpool won all possible titles/trophies with the exception of the PL and World Club Championship. They reached the World Club Championship final in 2006 and finished 2nd in the PL last season and also in 2001 when they won 3 other trophies. I think it is a bit unfair to say that his reign coincided with "The whole downturn" and there were more than a few "glory days". I religously followed the club in those days and can honestly say that I and all the real reds that I know had some brilliant days back then. I look back on the tenure of GH and Thommo and feel nothing but pride .......

3) Why are you and so many people so sure that DIC would have been any better? The phrase "Far away hills are always greener" springs to mind when I hear people say this about DIC? DIC could have come in and put a wage cap in place or decided that they want make the club financially solid before jumping into the purchase of expensive players.

4) The fact that Liverpool are rubbish at marketing and customer service etc is the fault of those directly employed by the company. Its too easy to blame Parry etc. When you ring the ticket office and get rubbish service, for example, it is the fault of the person on the other end and their manager. Also, lets not forget that most locals dont actually like people from outside Liverpool taking "their" tickets and attending games. Without wools, the clubs marketing income would be zilch.

[reder]

Talk about tempting fate;)

No, this is Birmingham City at home we are taking about.

[KK77]

No, this is Birmingham City at home we are taking about.

Hope your right reder. I can remember 0-0 at anfield in 07/08:D Though Fat Head was managing them then and his record was/is great against us.

[reder]

Hope your right reder. I can remember 0-0 at anfield in 07/08:D Though Fat Head was managing them then and his record was/is great against us.

If the game was at St. Andrews then it would be a very tricky affair alright. As it is at Anfield, I think it will be a 2-0 home win. An early goal would be very welcome though. I presume Gerrard is out since he is not in the England squad for the Brazil game.

I just realised that I will be in Liverpool for the derby, for a wedding that Saturday. Not flying home til late on the Sunday so im gonna break my duck and go to the game. Ticket sale is on Thursday morning, I see.

[KK77]

If the game was at St. Andrews then it would be a very tricky affair alright. As it is at Anfield, I think it will be a 2-0 home win. An early goal would be very welcome though. I presume Gerrard is out since he is not in the England squad for the Brazil game.

I just realised that I will be in Liverpool for the derby, for a wedding that Saturday. Not flying home til late on the Sunday so im gonna break my duck and go to the game. Ticket sale is on Thursday morning, I see.

Yeah sale starts on Thursday on 14 credits (not so bad). Won't be going to the derby as that along with Bolton and Wigan i can't get a ticket for this season. A few going to Blackburn the week after. Will you go to that?

[reder]

Yeah sale starts on Thursday on 14 credits (not so bad). Won't be going to the derby as that along with Bolton and Wigan i can't get a ticket for this season. A few going to Blackburn the week after. Will you go to that?

No chance, I am in London for the first weekend in December. My next Liverpool game will probably be Fulham at Anfield next year and my seat location for that one is already a sore subject.

[papa-j]

A few quick points on this :

1) The Moores family were an integral part of the club for 50 years. They were backing the club when league titles were the norm.
Yes but I am speaking specifically of David Moores who took on sole responsibility in 1991. The lack of investment, business nous and specifically failing to secure target signings became the norm. Prior to this when Liverpool targeted a player - they got him.

2) Under Moores as chairman, Liverpool won all possible titles/trophies with the exception of the PL and World Club Championship. They reached the World Club Championship final in 2006 and finished 2nd in the PL last season and also in 2001 when they won 3 other trophies. I think it is a bit unfair to say that his reign coincided with "The whole downturn" and there were more than a few "glory days". I religously followed the club in those days and can honestly say that I and all the real reds that I know had some brilliant days back then. I look back on the tenure of GH and Thommo and feel nothing but pride .......
Agree downturn may be the incorrect word. I follow the club intensely also and some of the GH years were fantastic but we are still no closer to winning the League title and that is what ultimately determines how sucessful you are. The FA cups, Carling cups, UEFA and Champions league wins were fantastic.Comming second in the Premier League or qualifying for the CL are vital for revenues but LFC is about winning League titles not our bank balance. Moores took a decent profit out of the club and can he honestly say he ever invested enough to take us on to the next level. I dont think so.

3) Why are you and so many people so sure that DIC would have been any better? The phrase "Far away hills are always greener" springs to mind when I hear people say this about DIC? DIC could have come in and put a wage cap in place or decided that they want make the club financially solid before jumping into the purchase of expensive players.
lets be honest, could they be any worse than the 2 leeches in control now. We had an opportunity to build on last years 2nd place and invest in the squad but they did not do it. Where is the "spade in the ground" they promised with the new stadium. These morons are liars and will ruin the club if left unchecked. DIC instantly have more credit than G&H as they had the self respect to pull out of the deal when mooores changed direction whored the club to dumb and dubmer for 8 million more. Moores has since admitted that he made a huge mistake selling to the americans.

4) The fact that Liverpool are rubbish at marketing and customer service etc is the fault of those directly employed by the company. Its too easy to blame Parry etc. When you ring the ticket office and get rubbish service, for example, it is the fault of the person on the other end and their manager. Also, lets not forget that most locals dont actually like people from outside Liverpool taking "their" tickets and attending games. Without wools, the clubs marketing income would be zilch.
The responsability for the marketing and revenue growth of LFC ( any company) sits untimately with the Chief exec( Parry) who answers to the board( Moores) and they failed miseribly in that respect. Rafa also blames Parry for failure to land numerous players. The mans heart may have been in the right place but he was not performing in his job. I think the locals are comming to terms with the fact that to compete with the Mancs and Chelsea you need your wools more than ever, their issue is more to do with the type of support SOME of the OOT's bring -a bit like Keanes comments about the prawn sandwich brigade at Old Trafford.

I have responded above in bold. For the record I am a Benitez supporter but not blindly so. He has his faults but I dont think anyone else could have done a better job under the circumstances

[DeLorean]

There's only one Benitez!!

Heard this on ESPN earlier....

Fulham
Aston Villa
Chelsea
Tottenham
Sunderland

The teams that have beaten the Pool so far this season...what are the chances!!

[gilberto_eire]

A welcome gimme tonight for Liverpool. Thankfully Birmingham couldnt score in a brothel at the moment so an easy 3 points is on the cards.


No, this is Birmingham City at home we are taking about.

Still a half to go and the result could swing, but you must be feeling like a very silly boy at HT :o

What a screamer for the second, on the balance of play they would be lucky to be level, but on chances they deserve the lead, poor off-side call when Birmingham had a pass for a tap in when one down, and Chucho(?), should have finished his one v one, Liverpool squandering lots of chances too but the difference is they rarely threaten the goal with them(i.e lucas/Ngog chances from goal mouth scramble)

[reder]

Still a half to go and the result could swing, but you must be feeling like a very silly boy at HT :o


Have to say so. After Lyon and the recent pelting in the press, I expected an awful lot more in terms of effort which should have been enough to see off these relegation candidates. There is still no bite in attack. Even with Gerrard and Aqua on it still seemed flat. Also, I dont know why 2 defensive midfielder were used until the 80th minute or so. Brum had no interest in attacking.

I knew Brum would keep 10 behind the ball and with the big names returning I expected Liverpool to have enough to win this.

[John83]

There's only one Benitez!!

Heard this on ESPN earlier....

Fulham
Aston Villa
Chelsea
Tottenham
Sunderland

The teams that have beaten the Pool so far this season...what are the chances!!
Why is FACTS significant? I recall Man Utd losing to Bolton, Liverpool, Arsenal, Newcastle and Chelsea - BLANC - the season they were depending on himself to replace Stam.

[reder]

There's only one Benitez!!

Heard this on ESPN earlier....

Fulham
Aston Villa
Chelsea
Tottenham
Sunderland

The teams that have beaten the Pool so far this season...what are the chances!!

I think you are missing Fiorentina, Arsenal and Lyon. Wrecked your little game didnt I. :)

[old git]

Why is FACTS significant? I recall Man Utd losing to Bolton, Liverpool, Arsenal, Newcastle and Chelsea - BLANC - the season they were depending on himself to replace Stam.

once again pool's obsession on this thread to always have a dig at utd resurfaces :D:D

[old git]

A welcome gimme tonight for Liverpool. Thankfully Birmingham couldnt score in a brothel at the moment so an easy 3 points is on the cards.

reder .. must be easier to score at anfield than a brothel then :D:D
ye got the draw with a blatent dive to win penalty tonight ... still a few problems to sort out yet :ball:

[John83]

once again pool's obsession on this thread to always have a dig at utd resurfaces :D:D
I'm about as much a Liverpool fan as I am a fan of Drogheda fans beating their heads on walls - it's not so much that I'm against it as I really don't care.

[old git]

I'm about as much a Liverpool fan as I am a fan of Drogheda fans beating their heads on walls - it's not so much that I'm against it as I really don't care.

so why come onto liverpool thread about man u :confused::confused:

[stamullendrog]

its frustrating as **** watching liverpool at the minute.missing alonso is a moot point when your defending like the keystone cops.theres one big mess at the club and be it players fans owners or manager something will give soon

[DeLorean]

Why is FACTS significant

Suppose the Rafa rant and his obsession with FACTS.


I think you are missing Fiorentina, Arsenal and Lyon. Wrecked your little game didnt I. :)

Don't shoot the messenger, twas ESPN's game!! That's a serious amount of defeats though seeing as you pointed it out.

[reder]

reder .. must be easier to score at anfield than a brothel then :D:D
ye got the draw with a blatent dive to win penalty tonight ... still a few problems to sort out yet :ball:

I got the number of goals scored tonight correct but didnt account for more poor defending against the worst attacking side in the PL, in my opinion.

[Roadend]

I got the number of goals scored tonight correct but didnt account for more poor defending against the worst attacking side in the PL, in my opinion.

I hate to say I told you so, but I will anyway

[papa-j]

I got the number of goals scored tonight correct but didnt account for more poor defending against the worst attacking side in the PL, in my opinion.

2 chances and 2 goals. Very poor defending for the first and a wonder strike for the second. 24 efforts on goal by Liverpool - issues at both ends of the park sums up our season. Thought Lucas was good last night and has been for the past few games - until Gerard came on. Then he stopped playing his natural game and seemed to look for Gerard with every pass. Blatant dive by Ngog, not good to see but he played well over all. Johnson was great, Kyut is strugging to find last years form. 3 more injuries - Riera,Yossi and Agger(again). Thank god for the International break - hopefully Ireland can cheer up us Liverpool fans:(

[KK77]

2 chances and 2 goals. Very poor defending for the first and a wonder strike for the second. 24 efforts on goal by Liverpool - issues at both ends of the park sums up our season. Thought Lucas was good last night and has been for the past few games - until Gerard came on. Then he stopped playing his natural game and seemed to look for Gerard with every pass. Blatant dive by Ngog, not good to see but he played well over all. Johnson was great, Kyut is strugging to find last years form. 3 more injuries - Riera,Yossi and Agger(again). Thank god for the International break - hopefully Ireland can cheer up us Liverpool fans:(

My exact opinion.

[Stuttgart88]

Am I the only person around who thinks there's more to the penalty decision debate than just "it was a dive"?

Carsley slid / lunged right across Ngog's path and missed the ball. You can't have players just lunging & missing. Yes, Ngog dived but Carsley's rash and wrongly timed challenge cost Ngog control of the ball in a really dangerous position. In my mind it's not just about whether there was contact.

Just repeating what I've said dozens of times in the Ireland forum.

[DeLorean]

I thought the same as you when I seen it first actually. However, the more I look at it the more unnessessary the dive was. If he had to hurl over Carsley's leg I'd say it's a penalty, contact or no contact but I don't really think he had to.

[Junior]

Am I the only person around who thinks there's more to the penalty decision debate than just "it was a dive"?

Carsley slid / lunged right across Ngog's path and missed the ball. You can't have players just lunging & missing. Yes, Ngog dived but Carsley's rash and wrongly timed challenge cost Ngog control of the ball in a really dangerous position. In my mind it's not just about whether there was contact.

Just repeating what I've said dozens of times in the Ireland forum.

Haha - I rarely come in this forum but thought Id have a nosey at this thread to see if Stutts had come out in defence of Ngog despite there being no contact.:D

I definitely understand your point and do agree to an extent. Though If we just look at the incident at face value without over complicating it

A) Ngog dived in order to win the penalty
B) Carsley mistimed his tackle possibly causing Ngog to lose control / though it did appear his focus was already on how he was going to go down.

If it was a simple question of who you would back A or B, Im afraid you'd have to come down in favour of B everytime.

The Media today and ESPN panel after the game seem to be wholeheartedly in agreement that it was a dive and not a penalty.

Out of interest I never did read your opinion on the Eduardo / Boruc incident -Please dont let me down and say it wasnt a penalty:D

[papa-j]

I thought the same as you when I seen it first actually. However, the more I look at it the more unnessessary the dive was. If he had to hurl over Carsley's leg I'd say it's a penalty, contact or no contact but I don't really think he had to.

With the luck we have had we will take every decision that goes our way. That penalty reverses the beachball incident:D

Seriously though he dived but I think that 9 times out of 10 that challenge from Carsley is a free kick if outside the box. He lunged in and got nowhere near the ball, thats dangerous play. Harsh but you cant go to ground and not win the ball.

Last 2 games Liverpool played fairly well and created chances while limiting the opposition to very few chances, however poor decision making while defending( set piece again) and poor finishing have cost us. Signing another striker in Jan is vital

[KK77]

Dive.

[Stuttgart88]

Haha - I rarely come in this forum but thought Id have a nosey at this thread to see if Stutts had come out in defence of Ngog despite there being no contact.:D

I definitely understand your point and do agree to an extent. Though If we just look at the incident at face value without over complicating it

A) Ngog dived in order to win the penalty
B) Carsley mistimed his tackle possibly causing Ngog to lose control / though it did appear his focus was already on how he was going to go down.

If it was a simple question of who you would back A or B, Im afraid you'd have to come down in favour of B everytime.

The Media today and ESPN panel after the game seem to be wholeheartedly in agreement that it was a dive and not a penalty.

Out of interest I never did read your opinion on the Eduardo / Boruc incident -Please dont let me down and say it wasnt a penalty:DSee, I knew someone was paying attention. :)

I think there's more to it than simply "it was a dive" but in Ngog's case the dive was so blatant it completely distracts from the other viewpoint - that defenders can't just go across people aimlessly and claim that just because they made no contact it wasn't a foul.

Eduardo - I thought was a blatant dive at the time (I was at the game) but saw on youtube 2 weeks later that there was minor contact with Boruc's knee. I think it was a dive though - he was going to go down anyway.

I wonder will Ngog be met with the same opprobrium that Eduardo was met with, despite Eduardo having quite a quiet, modest and honest outlook on the game in general. I know very little about Ngog.

[Junior]

I think there's more to it than simply "it was a dive" but in Ngog's case the dive was so blatant it completely distracts from the other viewpoint - that defenders can't just go across people aimlessly and claim that just because they made no contact it wasn't a foul.

Completely agree.


Eduardo - I thought was a blatant dive at the time (I was at the game) but saw on youtube 2 weeks later that there was minor contact with Boruc's knee. I think it was a dive though - he was going to go down anyway.

As you say he was going down anyway and in much the same way as non contact should not mean it is not a free, there being contact equally does not automatically equate to it being a free no matter where it is on the pitch.


I wonder will Ngog be met with the same opprobrium that Eduardo was met with, despite Eduardo having quite a quiet, modest and honest outlook on the game in general. I know very little about Ngog.

I think the fact the Eduardo had been afforded so much sympathy and best wishes following his leg break - the blatant act of cheating (which is what it was) did not go down well with Celtic supporters and the footballing public at large.


Rightly or wrongly the Celtic/Arsenal game could be deemed of more importance.

UEFAs Flagship tournament
One off fixture whereby the winner (over the 2 legs of course) stood to gain a minimum of £10m in TV Revenue / Gate Receipts / Group Stage Points Bonus etc...
Effects more than one footballing association (SPL and FA)

The game last night was one game out of 38, that ended in a draw and whereby general consensus is "these things even themselves out" though somehow I doubt McCleish will be agreeing with that come the final weeks of the season, should Birmingham be in 'trouble'.

[Stuttgart88]

yeah, fair points all.

[old git]

With the luck we have had we will take every decision that goes our way. That penalty reverses the beachball incident:D

Seriously though he dived but I think that 9 times out of 10 that challenge from Carsley is a free kick if outside the box. He lunged in and got nowhere near the ball, thats dangerous play. Harsh but you cant go to ground and not win the ball.

Last 2 games Liverpool played fairly well and created chances while limiting the opposition to very few chances, however poor decision making while defending( set piece again) and poor finishing have cost us. Signing another striker in Jan is vital

so what your saying is that everytime a player lunges / tackles and misses ball it should be a free kick / penalty if this is the case we will have no time for any football between all the fouls ... would ngog have went down so easily if same situation occured outside box and he was straight through on goals looking for equalizer / winner i don't think so :mad: ... players will always mistime tackles and unfortunatly opponents of most teams now seem to find it easier to go down looking for frees rather than staying on their feet.. marcus bent also won a penalty for sunderland against spurs when he was already on his way down before gomes challanged him... personally i think f.a. should review any clear cut diving incidents punish players with bans and how about punshing clubs also ( problem here is what punishment is enough to get clubs to stamp down on players from all clubs diving ) did you see benitiz interview after match when asked about penalty benitiz said he asked ngog was it a penalty and ngog replied " im not sure i don't think so " so if player & mangers cannot even be honest and admit the truth here lies most of the problems .. but will stress again every team have the divers and mangers who always miss incidents but are 100% adament they should have been awarded free kicks / penaltys / goals etc .. will agree on you liverpool have played well the last 2 games and poor finishing & defending is a problem at the moment... striker badly needed and maybe centre half/ fullback as well in january :ball:

[old git]

Rafa B / Papa-j found the answer to the pools striker problem should be available in january for a small fee has a sweet left foot and clinical finisher .. needs a bit of work on goal celebrations though

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaXUXwmCztI

[gilberto_eire]

With the luck we have had we will take every decision that goes our way. That penalty reverses the beachball incident:D

Seriously though he dived but I think that 9 times out of 10 that challenge from Carsley is a free kick if outside the box. He lunged in and got nowhere near the ball, thats dangerous play. Harsh but you cant go to ground and not win the ball.

Last 2 games Liverpool played fairly well and created chances while limiting the opposition to very few chances, however poor decision making while defending( set piece again) and poor finishing have cost us. Signing another striker in Jan is vital

That's beside the point.

That's like arguing that if someone leaves their phone or wallet behind them your free to steal it.

The fact is he DIDN'T connect and he DID dive,that **** really annoys me, in all my years playing it never even crossed my mind to go down like that, i'd naturally try stay standing, as do 99%. it's sad how the further up the ladder you do(and the further away from the British and Irish isles you do it gets more evident, some people have no pride, I'd find it embarrassing tbh

[Roadend]

Rafa B / Papa-j found the answer to the pools striker problem




Liverpool have scored 27 to Utd's 24 in the league. Run along now dear.

[papa-j]

Jaysus lads there is a lot of moralising going on here. Its a professional sport, players, managers everyone will take and advantage whenever they can.Be that diving, pressuring refs during games, using the media to put pressure other managers, refs or players, taking performance enhancing drugs, tapping up under contract players or changing the competition rules to help certain countries qualify for world cups( FIFA), FAI charging 50 quid for kids to watch Ireland in Thomand Park, even fans abusing refs and players - they are all guilty of it in some form. I'm not saying its right as I hate diving myself but unless the authorities get serious and tackle it properly then its part of the game.

If Ireland get a penalty v France through a dive and qualify I think I'll get over the injustice on the French fairly quickly. At the end of the day most opinions on these incidents are formed based on your vested interest in the game.

[DeLorean]

I hate diving myself but unless the authorities get serious and tackle it properly then its part of the game

Couldn't agree more with this bit. You can dislike a player because of it but it's really the fault of the authorities at this stage.

[old git]

Liverpool have scored 27 to Utd's 24 in the league. Run along now dear.

... why do you assume i support utd..?? unfortunatly i have bigger problems worring about celtic ... as for running along now dear 3 goals more scored i'd rather have the points :D:D and by the way it was a little bit of craic for rafa b & papa-j

[old git]

Couldn't agree more with this bit. You can dislike a player because of it but it's really the fault of the authorities at this stage.

more than likley we all agree on this ... authorities should be doing more to cut it out but all the club's are not blameless either .. if liverpool dropped / fined ngog for diving / chelsea drogba / utd rooney etc .. this would really help but we all now it will never happen :ball:

[Junior]

From what I heard on TalkSport this evening it looks like the authorities are doing their bit.

Yes - They've stood the referee down from Premier League duties for missing the dive. No word on N'gog receiving any punishment though.

Laughable really.

[old git]

From what I heard on TalkSport this evening it looks like the authorities are doing their bit.

Yes - They've stood the referee down from Premier League duties for missing the dive. No word on N'gog receiving any punishment though.

Laughable really.

so if authorities stood ref down for missing the dive.. they have to take action against player then :confused:

[Junior]

so if authorities stood ref down for missing the dive.. they have to take action against player then :confused:

You would think so wouldn't you.

[papa-j]

You would think so wouldn't you.

Its the rules that are the problem. They cannot revisit the incident as the ref has already seen it and made a decision. The ref is stood down for the bad decision, they need to amend the rules to allow trial by video evidence after the fact.

If players are likely to get retrospective bans based on video analysis then all this cheating will decline but it will never stop fully until teams are docked points for cheating.

If that was the case then Chelsea would have been relegated out of the league since they signed Dropba:D

[old git]

Its the rules that are the problem. They cannot revisit the incident as the ref has already seen it and made a decision. The ref is stood down for the bad decision, they need to amend the rules to allow trial by video evidence after the fact.

If players are likely to get retrospective bans based on video analysis then all this cheating will decline but it will never stop fully until teams are docked points for cheating.

If that was the case then Chelsea would have been relegated out of the league since they signed Dropba:D

fifa revisited the incident to ban eudardo for his dive against celtic ?? but then changed their minds :mad: as far as i know f.a can ask referee to review incident and he then is supposed to review and reply on what decision he should have made ... as for chelsea getting relegated over drogba i don't have any problem with that :D

[volley]

people in glasshouses ... what has benitez policy won since 2005..:D:D

Dear GIT,
If you look more closely at the post I was replying to and my own subsequent response you will find that the 2 subject matters were a) Steven Gerrard and b) Arsene Wenger.
Can you advise where Rafa Benitez was mentioned by me there? Coz I don't recall referring to him or his policy at all. I personally at this stage would wish to see Rafa gone, therefore why on earth would I be trying to defend him anymore anyway? Glasshouse my ....!
My post relates SPECIFICALLY to Arsene Wenger and Angus' crystal-ball comment about Gerrard's future fitness. Absolutely nothing to do with Benitez. So off you go and bang your head off a glass house mate.
P.S. Weather getting cold, rain falling, unattractive away fixtures in winter..there goes Arsenal's title challenge...AGAIN.
Cheers

[volley]

I may have said it badly - the way gerrard plays is very athletic and his physical condition is very important to his effectiveness.

A player like him is going to take more stress and strain and repetitive injuries than some others. Benitez already tried to sell gerrard to chelsea and all I ma saying is that we are now beyond gerrard's peak, in my view

Clearly, I could be wrong - but I don't think he has the longevity of, say, giggs, because they play the game differently

Well ok I'm glad you cleared that up and what you are saying makes a bit more sense. But only time will tell about how his style of play will affect his fitness in the future really, It's true he won't be gung-ho when he's 36/37, but surely he can fire on his current cylinders for another 2/3 years at least.....if they don't sort things out though who knows it may not be at Anfield where his career starts to fade...............
I doubt Fernando is missing the Spanish sun just yet...but how long will he hang around is the question....
As for Wenger and his age policy..a bit daft I think but you cant knock the guy for some of the signings. Rafa signs a young player and sends him on loan to Greece or somewhere meanwhile our 2nd strikers can;t hit a barn door. YYAAAAWN i'm getting bored of complaining!!!!!!!

[rava]

Did anyone see Gerrards dive at the weekend, not as much as a word about it on motd. It just stinks the way english players get off with this sort of thing with Gerrard being the biggest offender.

[razor]

Did anyone see Gerrards dive at the weekend, not as much as a word about it on motd. It just stinks the way english players get off with this sort of thing with Gerrard being the biggest offender.It definitely doesn't seem to be highlighted as much on English tv, Rooney was at it the previous week against Portsmouth and not a whimper.

[old git]

It definitely doesn't seem to be highlighted as much on English tv, Rooney was at it the previous week against Portsmouth and not a whimper.

in fairness rooneys was clipped but he did go down easily ;) gerrards blatent dive looking for a penalty was not his first and yet again english media totally ignore.. :mad:

[rava]

in fairness rooneys was clipped but he did go down easily ;) gerrards blatent dive looking for a penalty was not his first and yet again english media totally ignore.. :mad:

and hes had more than his fair share.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abk9JSDBra4