Tonights latest

[Splurge]

Limerick are dead right. Wallace is acting like a muppet. I saw his moanings over Derry training on it before the LC final and he just sounds like a bitter, overly obsessional fool.

Possibly, but then they got their way but that wasnt good enough.

[Rovers Maniac]

Total joke not sure who to blame but sounds like Limerick acted liike minnows here and just humped off when they tried to get one over on Wexford. God its not like they are going for anything either.

[jebus]

Possibly, but then they got their way but that wasnt good enough.

Too late, we have a set plan of how our team should get prepared before a league game and Wallace's shenanigans threw it off


Total joke not sure who to blame but sounds like Limerick acted liike minnows here and just humped off when they tried to get one over on Wexford. God its not like they are going for anything either.

Coming from someone who has pretended to support both Sligo and Shamrock Rovers this year I'm not sure how to take that

[Splurge]

I've already said we don't come out of this in a good light and I believe Kerley should have stuck around til at least 8. I do agree with him not playing if Wexford aren't providing us with a suitable place to warm up (in our teams eyes, not yours) especially if there's a good pitch that's well lit sitting empty right in front of you.

As for the lights not being turned the right way, it's what one of your fellow fans said a few pages back, I've never been to Ferrycarrig that's why I was asking earlier on what the standard of pitch is and what the lighting is like, and what I printed above is the answer I recieved a few pages back

I can assure you all the lights shine directly onto the pitch. There is a car park to the side furthest away from the dressing rooms which has its own lights.
You have to admit, if the lights are good enough for our lads to train on all yr long they must be good enough for a warm up.

[Magicme]

Still obsessed with taking cheap shots at Limerick people I see :rolleyes:
Thanks for your startling contribution Magicme

Well all you have contributed so far is accusations of mind games. Wallace is one of the most honourable and dedicated men in this league. He may have made an error in not offering the pitch earlier but Limerick should have stayed until the issue was resolved instead of leaving. Not taking cheap shots at Limerick people just pointing out that you are whinging.

You are an intelligent guy and just cant see how you could think that Wexford Youths were playing mind games with Limerick when it has been the same for everyone else. Am disappointed in you Jebus.

[Splurge]

Too late, we have a set plan of how our team should get prepared before a league game and Wallace's shenanigans threw it off

We have a pre match routine aswell, we didnt start to warm up either.

[Youths4Ever]

Total joke not sure who to blame but sounds like Limerick acted liike minnows here and just humped off when they tried to get one over on Wexford. God its not like they are going for anything either.


Hard to know who will get the blame for this one both sides could be in trouble

[LeixlipRed]

Embarrassing stuff. Top headline on aertel as well. Fantastic stuff :rolleyes:

[jebus]

Well all you have contributed so far is accusations of mind games. Wallace is one of the most honourable and dedicated men in this league. He may have made an error in not offering the pitch earlier but Limerick should have stayed until the issue was resolved instead of leaving. Not taking cheap shots at Limerick people just pointing out that you are whinging.

You are an intelligent guy and just cant see how you could think that Wexford Youths were playing mind games with Limerick when it has been the same for everyone else. Am disappointed in you Jebus.

Is that all I've contributed so far? Considering I've posted umpteen posts in this thread starting quite a few pages ago?

Can you name a good reason why Wallace wouldn't allow us to warm up on his pitch when we have asked him to, and the ref has given it the okay? If he cared as much about people coming to the game as he is saying surely it could have been sorted out in a few sentences? Something like,

Mike Kerley: We'd like to use your main pitch as we don't feel the pitch provided has adequate lighting
Wallace: No, use that one
Kerley: We're not going to play unless we can warm up properly as I'm not risking any injuries to my players up there
Wallace: But everyone uses that pitch, we do to
Kerley: Well I'm not
Wallace: Fine but I'm making a complaint about your team

Something along those lines? Don't get me wrong, Kerley shouldn't have stormed off so soon, but Wallace is at fault here to and the only reason I can think of him not following the outlined action is that he wanted to throw our preparation off. That no-one has complained about this before (besides Derry and ourselves on another occasion) is of little justification for acting like a child


We have a pre match routine aswell, we didnt start to warm up either.

Maybe there's a reason we're quite a few points ahead of you in the league no? :)

[Splurge]

acting like a child

Like storming off in a huff.

Im not sure of the rules, maybe the home team have a right to decide where the away team warms up?
Either way Wallace did back down but LK37 acted like children and didnt accept it.

[jebus]

Like storming off in a huff.

Im not sure of the rules, maybe the home team have a right to decide where the away team warms up?
Either way Wallace did back down but LK37 acted like children and didnt accept it.

I've already said we shouldn't have done that :rolleyes:
And I doubt there is a rule like that, otherwise next time the Youths are in town we might just send the team to train in Moyross :p

[Splurge]

Maybe there's a reason we're quite a few points ahead of you in the league no? :)

Probably more to do with all the money spent and players bought in the last transfer window and a millionair american owner.
Our transfer bill = €0

Value for money

[hoops1]

Wallace is one of the most honourable and dedicated men in this league.

True. One of the few with any sort of vision for the game. Having seen the facilities down there you can be sure whatever pitch they were told to warm up on would have been better than Limericks own training facilities until recently. Dont give me this health and safety and player concern ****e, Limerick have made there own players endure two of the biggest dumps in LOI in Jackman and Hogan park for years. This is about somebody trying to do things professionally and another trying to be a typical LOI pain in the hole. Welcome to the EL Mick. WY should get the 3 points Limerick a fine

[Splurge]

I've already said we shouldn't have done that :rolleyes:
And I doubt there is a rule like that, otherwise next time the Youths are in town we might just send the team to train in Moyross :p

I presume there's a rule that says both teams have to have equal facilities to prepare on. Hand on heart had we been warming up on the main pitch and other teams not we wouldnt have had a leg to stand on.
Your manager had a hissy fit and made a poor call, for whatever reason.

[jebus]

Probably more to do with all the money spent and players bought in the last transfer window and a millionair american owner.
Our transfer bill = €0

Value for money

:D:D

Yeah we're the Chelsea of the league. Suffice to say one of the Dundalk's boards jaw hitting the ground when he was told how low our wage bill is should tell you all you need to know about that.

Do you seriously think any club down here is spending money on transfers aswell :rolleyes:

[L37Ultra]

Like storming off in a huff.

.


Do you have proof of this?

No point in getting into a big argument between the two sets of supporters as we are obviously going to have a biased opinion.

All I will say is that Limerick have been very impressive off the field this season and are starting to do things properly and more professional so I can't see them storming off in a huff without something drastic having happened.

[Magicme]

Is that all I've contributed so far? Considering I've posted umpteen posts in this thread starting quite a few pages ago?

Can you name a good reason why Wallace wouldn't allow us to warm up on his pitch when we have asked him to, and the ref has given it the okay? If he cared as much about people coming to the game as he is saying surely it could have been sorted out in a few sentences? Something like,

Mike Kerley: We'd like to use your main pitch as we don't feel the pitch provided has adequate lighting
Wallace: No, use that one
Kerley: We're not going to play unless we can warm up properly as I'm not risking any injuries to my players up there
Wallace: But everyone uses that pitch, we do to
Kerley: Well I'm not
Wallace: Fine but I'm making a complaint about your team

Something along those lines? Don't get me wrong, Kerley shouldn't have stormed off so soon, but Wallace is at fault here to and the only reason I can think of him not following the outlined action is that he wanted to throw our preparation off. That no-one has complained about this before (besides Derry and ourselves on another occasion) is of little justification for acting like a child



Maybe there's a reason we're quite a few points ahead of you in the league no? :)

This is more like the reasoned discussion I am used to seeing from you but for a while you did seem to have lost the plot somewhat.

I apologise for saying that was the sum total of your contribution but as all your other comments prior to this were overshadowed with your moaning about mind games it was hard to see past them.

[Splurge]

Do you have proof of this?

i was there, they wanted something, eventually got it, decided it was too late and stormed off in a huff.

What do you think happened, "well agree to disagree, were off to beat the traffic"

[jebus]

Still waiting for a reason that isn't, 'That's what Mick wants', or 'Our grass is pretty' as to why he won't let teams warm up for 20 minutes on the main pitch as well

[L37Ultra]

True. One of the few with any sort of vision for the game. Having seen the facilities down there you can be sure whatever pitch they were told to warm up on would have been better than Limericks own training facilities until recently. Dont give me this health and safety and player concern ****e, Limerick have made there own players endure two of the biggest dumps in LOI in Jackman and Hogan park for years. This is about somebody trying to do things professionally and another trying to be a typical LOI pain in the hole. Welcome to the EL Mick. WY should get the 3 points Limerick a fine

Absolutely nothing got to do with the standard of the pitch. It was pitch dark and they were forced to warm up on a partly lighted pitch. Limerick do a lot of ball work and drills during warm up and i'm sure Mike Kerley didn't want any of his players getting injured.

[jebus]

Absolutely nothing got to do with the standard of the pitch. It was pitch dark and they were forced to warm up on a partly lighted pitch. Limerick do a lot of ball work and drills during warm up and i'm sure Mike Kerley didn't want any of his players getting injured.

But that would be acting professionally :eek:

[Splurge]

It was pitch dark and they were forced to warm up on a partly lighted pitch.
:D
No it wasnt, there were/are allways have been (since we were founded) floodlights shining directly onto the pitch, not up to match quality but decent enough for us to train on all yr round, ditto for other clubs and ourselves to warm up on.

"Pitch dark":D:D

[hoops1]

Well why didnt they go to the main pitch when Wallace backed down?
Only one team refused to play the fixture.

[L37Ultra]

But that would be acting professionally :eek:


Yes, which Limerick have been doing all year from what I have seen. I even seen them at trial game for the A team during the year and they warmed up for nearly an hour. I just can't imagine Mike Kerley getting his team to leave a match unless something serious had happened. I'm sure all will be reviled.

[L37Ultra]

No it wasnt, there were/are allways have been (since we were founded) floodlights shining directly onto the pitch, not up to match quality but decent enough for us to train on all yr round, ditto for other clubs and ourselves to warm up on.

"Pitch dark":D:D


Ya it would have been fully dark by 7:20pm

I know its the sunny South East but come on... :p

[jebus]

Anyway I'm logging off so I'll give my 'Jebus' Final Thought' on the matter

Both clubs acted poorly tonight and both have cases to answer if I'm being honest. Wallace shouldn't act like such a clown in regards to the first pitch (either that or he should pay for match quality lights in the warm up pitch) and we shouldn't have stormed off so soon. Both of us will get a dressing down from the FAI no doubt. As for the points, give them to Wexford I guess, who cares at this stage, we're finishing 5th anyway.

[oldyouth]

I've never been to Ferrycarrig that's why I was asking earlier on what the standard of pitch is and what the lighting is like, and what I printed above is the answer I recieved a few pages back

There is a picture of our main pitch on the extratime homepage http://www.extratime.ie/ and you'll have to admit that you would protect it too if it was yours

On a related issue, the perfect condition of our main pitch has often worked against us. Teams with more experience than us come down and are able to play their football to a standard we are striving to attain. They seem to exceed their normal performances because of the surface. We have won more games away from Ferrycarrig Park this year then at home.

If Mick was in to mind games, perhaps we should present our opposition with a cow field of a pitch.

[Youths4Ever]

Anyway I'm logging off so I'll give my 'Jebus' Final Thought' on the matter

Both clubs acted poorly tonight and both have cases to answer if I'm being honest. Wallace shouldn't act like such a clown in regards to the first pitch (either that or he should pay for match quality lights in the warm up pitch) and we shouldn't have stormed off so soon. Both of us will get a dressing down from the FAI no doubt. As for the points, give them to Wexford I guess, who cares at this stage, we're finishing 5th anyway.

Agree both teams acted poorly errors made on both sides. It looks bad for the league.

If FAI decide Limerick should not have left and do not replay the fixture what sanctions could then face?

Also other way round if FAI decide Wexford in wrong what sanctions could Wexford face?

[Magicme]

I'm sure all will be reviled.

Id say that Wallace has already been by Limerick fans!

[Patrick Dunne]

A hefty fine for Wexford (E10K).

Three point deduction for Limerick.

Appalling stuff. Sub-junior.

[Youths4Ever]

A hefty fine for Wexford (E10K).

Three point deduction for Limerick.

Appalling stuff. Sub-junior.

on what grounds what rules back this up.

[Patrick Dunne]

EL teams warm-up on the main pitch, none of this guff about warming up on an unlit back pitch.

Wexford would not have gotten away with this rubbish against a Premier Division team, as Derry City have proven before the League Cup Final.
The likes of Kenny, Fenlon, Cook et al would have quite correctly insisted on using the main pitch.

Silly carry-on from Limerick as well. Kerley could have held up KO for 10-15 mins until his team were ready. If Limerick are not deducted points it sets a precedent for other mickey-mouse behaviour.

Like refusing to play at Finn Park because there are no showers !

[Réiteoir]

If the pitch in question is adequately lit (and I mean to some sort of official standard as opposed to Splurge's own) then Limerick do have a case to answer both to Wexford/FAI and our own fans who'd travelled. Conversely if the field is poorly lit then Limerick are 100% in the right IMO and Wexford Youths should be held culpable for failing to provide a suitable spot to warm up in. At that stage it's totally irrelevent if Waterford, Watford or Juventus gave them the thumbs up. Is there an official requirement

If the "Training Pitch" is used for U-21 and/or A-League games - then it has to meet the FAI's ground grading policy - and that includes having lights of a certain standard - which would be adequate.


As for the 7.55pm "call the game off" situation with the referee which was broached upon earlier in the thread - that's the Match Officials following standard procedure in this situation.

It has happened before - many years ago - as this video shows (watch out for the cameo appearance by Paul McKeon - and yes - that is Derek Tomney's father)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LfF4F4lfIA

For the record - and a presidence in this situation - the game was replayed and no points were deducted

[bellavistaman]

I'm with LImerick on this one - who does Wallace think he is? It a patch of grass, not the holy mmount or anything. And if that has always been the situation in Wexford, then shame on all other clubs who gave in to this crap

Agree 100%



Edit: Wallaces reasons are that he wants to protect the playing surface of the main pitch.

Not good enough, simple as.


Sounds like Wallace acting the b0llocks and getting his bluff called to be honest. Token fine for both teams and refix the game would seem the most judicious decision.

I agree, fairest outcome, but cant see this happening

quit with your mind games nonsense. all teams have warmed up on the other pitch for last 2 years.
With the weather and the season coming to an end maybe it was darker than usual, who knows magicme.:rolleyes:


There is a picture of our main pitch on the extratime homepage http://www.extratime.ie/ and you'll have to admit that you would protect it too if it was yours

Stop the lights, most ridiculous comment of the night. Protect it after match by not training on it or letting other teams bar your senior team play on it, ecery LOI match the team should NOT be stopped warming up on. FAI going to have to clarify this before rematch. Just because your surface is better than others, people are not allowed to warm up on it, how you meant to get a feel for the pitch so on.

[da bishop]

:rolleyes:

Hey look who it is, the guy who should be restricted to the Juniorball forum with all the nonsense and lies he attempts to spread
touched a nerve have i jebus.as usual you seem to have a problem with people in limk who support both senior and junior football.painting me a liar is indeed stooping to an all time low.bottom line here is MK was unprofessional tonight,if he is as you say trying to improve things he should have risen above the percieved problem and played.

[bellavistaman]

If the "Training Pitch" is used for U-21 and/or A-League games - then it has to meet the FAI's ground grading policy - and that includes having lights of a certain standard - which would be adequate.


As for the 7.55pm "call the game off" situation with the referee which was broached upon earlier in the thread - that's the Match Officials following standard procedure in this situation.

It has happened before - many years ago - as this video shows (watch out for the cameo appearance by Paul McKeon - and yes - that is Derek Tomney's father)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LfF4F4lfIA

For the record - and a presidence in this situation - the game was replayed and no points were deducted

I knew when i hear farce Rams would be mentioned. Thanks Reiteoir:D

[Youths4Ever]

EL teams warm-up on the main pitch, none of this guff about warming up on an unlit back pitch.

Wexford would not have gotten away with this rubbish against a Premier Division team, as Derry City have proven before the League Cup Final.
The likes of Kenny, Fenlon, Cook et al would have quite correctly insisted on using the main pitch.

Silly carry-on from Limerick as well. Kerley could have held up KO for 10-15 mins until his team were ready. If Limerick are not deducted points it sets a precedent for other mickey-mouse behaviour.

Like refusing to play at Finn Park because there are no showers !

Derry where only allowed on the main pitch as FAI in charge for Cup Final Mick was not happy with this at time. St Pats warmed up on the "unlit back pitch" as you put it

What are the rules governing the issue about warming up and teams refusing to play?
What happens next?

[Youths4Ever]

If the "Training Pitch" is used for U-21 and/or A-League games - then it has to meet the FAI's ground grading policy - and that includes having lights of a certain standard - which would be adequate.


Can confirm that the training pitch is used for u-21 games

[L37Ultra]

.bottom line here is MK was unprofessional tonight,if he is as you say trying to improve things he should have risen above the percieved problem and played.


Agreed. Dissapointed with Limerick to be honest. But as I said we don't know the full story yet and they may well have had a good enough reason to act the way they did and not go ahead with the game. Still seems very unprofessional just when it looked like things were being done properly.

[L37Ultra]

Can confirm that the training pitch is used for u-21 games

At night?

[Réiteoir]

I knew when i hear farce Rams would be mentioned. Thanks Reiteoir:D

Well - it wasn't really your fault in this instance - just Cork getting their arses in hands about having to travel.

I mean - even Rovers traveled all the way down there to play a "home" match in Cork a few years back...

[dublin_owl]

Wexford Youths: Warm up where you're told to warm up... or else f**k off.

Limerick 37: Okay, we'll f**k off.



Both clubs are in agreement - what's the problem.

[bellavistaman]

Wexford Youths: Warm up where you're told to warm up... or else f**k off.

Limerick 37: Okay, we'll f**k off.



Both clubs are in agreement - what's the problem.

Love it

[Youths4Ever]

At night?

not 100% sure that any of the games have been at night pretty sure have not been but as stated below lights still have to meet certain standard


If the "Training Pitch" is used for U-21 and/or A-League games - then it has to meet the FAI's ground grading policy - and that includes having lights of a certain standard - which would be adequate

[Mr Maroon]

Mick Wallace:
''It does appear that Limerick did not want to play the game. We had noted that it was strange that two of their better players, Gary Sheehan and John Tierney were not in the starting 11 for some reason. Maybe there were problems that we didn't know about.''

[thischarmingman]

What a joke, every team shold be allowed to warm up on the main pitch and to get a feel for it. Having seen the second pitch last week I can confirm how dimly lit it is; Kenny, pro that he is, must have taken one look at it and laughed in Wallace's face. It's a professional league we're trying to run. Wexford are like the kid who gets new football boots and then is afraid to use them in case they get dirty- Cork, for instance, have probably the best stadium in the country, should they refuse to allow opposition fans in just in case they mess it all up? Mick's a great character, a real football man and normally a fantastic asset to the league but he really needs to get real.

Oh and also:

Linfield- :D:D:D

[OneRedArmy]

This is the same Limerick that made teams play at Pike Rovers a few seasons back?!

Edit: just remembered it's not the same Limerick

[sligored]

What a joke, every team shold be allowed to warm up on the main pitch and to get a feel for it. Having seen the second pitch last week I can confirm how dimly lit it is; Kenny, pro that he is, must have taken one look at it and laughed in Wallace's face. It's a professional league we're trying to run. Wexford are like the kid who gets new football boots and then is afraid to use them in case they get dirty- Cork, for instance, have probably the best stadium in the country, should they refuse to allow opposition fans in just in case they mess it all up? Mick's a great character, a real football man and normally a fantastic asset to the league but he really needs to get real.


i have to agree with you on this one . it is setting a very bad precedent to stop away teams from warming up on the playing surface.

i am surprised that it has taken this long to surface but i suppose the lack of proper lighting brought the problem to a head.

how would the wexford players feel if they were not allowed to warm up on the main pitch in oriel.

i know that all floodlights are different and it is important to warm up in match conditions . i hope small fines are issued to both clubs and the match is replayed and expect that limerick and all future teams are allowed to warm up on ferrycarrig no 1 pitch .

[Réiteoir]

i have to agree with you on this one . it is setting a very bad precedent to stop away teams from warming up on the playing surface.

i am surprised that it has taken this long to surface but i suppose the lack of proper lighting brought the problem to a head.

how would the wexford players feel if they were not allowed to warm up on the main pitch in oriel.

i know that all floodlights are different and it is important to warm up in match conditions . i hope small fines are issued to both clubs and the match is replayed and expect that limerick and all future teams are allowed to warm up on ferrycarrig no 1 pitch .

until we get the hypothetical situation of a team warming up on it in torrential rain - cutting the pitch up unnecessarily to a degree that it becomes dangerous - thereby leading to the referee calling the game off before kick off

then people would be up in arms saying why didn't they use the back pitch - well folks - not bright enough - health & safety y'know...

If I'm correct in stating earlier that if a pitch is used for U21/A-Championship matches then it must have League Standard floodlighting available to it - then the whole argument of dark pitches and the like goes flying out the window quicker than a very fast thing indeed.

Let's see what comes out in the next couple of days first...

[thischarmingman]

it is important to warm up in match conditions.

Exactly.


until we get the hypothetical situation of a team warming up on it in torrential rain - cutting the pitch up unnecessarily to a degree that it becomes dangerous - thereby leading to the referee calling the game off before kick off

Yeah I've lost count of the number of times that's happened...:rolleyes:

And anyway, if it the rain was that bad it would get cut up anyway in the course of the match, no? Just 20 minutes later...