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[centre mid]

I hate prejudging but that makes Limerick look bad. Although at 7.20 that only gives Limerick 25-30 mins to warm-up. What were the officials doing during this?

[jebus]

We have a story up on the Limerick sitauation. We cahtted with Mick Wallace.

Two things, 7.20 is far too late to offer it to a team to do a warm up, and why does Wallace have a problem with teams using the main pitch? All across football teams do this and the fact Wallace has had two requests in one week should tell him something.

Can any Youths fans can firm what sort of state the back pitch is in? Is the surface of the same quality as the main pitch? Is it properly lit by floodlights?

[Gareth]

Two things, 7.20 is far too late to offer it to a team to do a warm up, and why does Wallace have a problem with teams using the main pitch? All across football teams do this and the fact Wallace has had two requests in one week should tell him something.

Can any Youths fans con firm what sort of state the back pitch is in? Is the surface of the same quality as the main pitch? Is it properly lit by floodlights?

Its an interesting one, Limeirck just issued a press release on the situation...

[sligofan4ever]

They just announced about it their on MNS.

[Mr A]

WTF? Not sure of the rules but somebody better get fined serious money for this.

[centre mid]

Both sides blaming each other, it will be interesting to read what the ref puts in his report. I would have thought the ref has the casting vote on issues like this. If Wexford were instructed to allow Limerick the use of the main pitch then they would be obliged to comply.

[atfconline]

Youths coming on the pitch as we speak

ewwww, where was Wallace when this was going on. :eek:

We haven't played Sligo in a couple of seasons, and last time we were there we were told to train on the back pitch. Think we went ahead and trained on the main pitch though.

[WoodquayBoy]

I'm with LImerick on this one - who does Wallace think he is? It a patch of grass, not the holy mmount or anything. And if that has always been the situation in Wexford, then shame on all other clubs who gave in to this crap

[jebus]

Its an interesting one, Limeirck just issued a press release on the situation...

Could you post it up here if you have it?

[oldyouth]

Two things, 7.20 is far too late to offer it to a team to do a warm up, and why does Wallace have a problem with teams using the main pitch? All across football teams do this and the fact Wallace has had two requests in one week should tell him something.

Can any Youths fans can firm what sort of state the back pitch is in? Is the surface of the same quality as the main pitch? Is it properly lit by floodlights?
I'll answer as honestly as I can. The other pitch is a perfect mirror of the main pitch and would be the envy of many premier league teams. The lighting would not be great

[sligoman]

We haven't played Sligo in a couple of seasons, and last time we were there we were told to train on the back pitch. Think we went ahead and trained on the main pitch though.Told or asked? All teams train on pitch now anyway.

[centre mid]

Could you post it up here if you have it?

Limerick 37 would like to confirm that prior to their rescheduled match with Wexford Youths at Ferrycarrig Park this evening, Monday October 6th the team were informed that they would be unable to carry out their pre match warm up on the main playing surface.

As the alternative warm up area suggested was deemed unsafe for health and safety reasons due to poor lighting, Limerick 37 made a request to warm up on the main playing surface to the match referee. The match referee confirmed he had absolutely no issue with the team warming up on the main playing surface.

Despite this assurance from the referee the Wexford Youths stewards refused access to the pitch to the Limerick FC players and management. Limerick 37 were therefore left with no choice but to refuse to carry out the fixture as they were not afforded the opportunity to complete the pre match warm up which is a vital element in ensuring player welfare. It is extremely disappointing for all concerned with the club especially considering the majority of our squad are semi professional and had to take half days from work in order to make themselves available for the fixture.

[jebus]

I'll answer as honestly as I can. The other pitch is a perfect mirror of the main pitch and would be the envy of many premier league teams. The lighting would not be great

If the lighting isn't great then we shouldn't have to warm up on it, simple as that. Our manager is high up on having the best standards for the players (since their wages are poor), he insisted on us paying out to UL to use their top class facilities, he is the one pushing to have changing rooms revamped and if he thought the back pitch wasn't suitable then I'm inclined to believe him.

What's Wallaces reasons for sending teams down to a darkened pitch by the way?

[ForzaWexford]

Two things, 7.20 is far too late to offer it to a team to do a warm up, and why does Wallace have a problem with teams using the main pitch? All across football teams do this and the fact Wallace has had two requests in one week should tell him something.

Can any Youths fans can firm what sort of state the back pitch is in? Is the surface of the same quality as the main pitch? Is it properly lit by floodlights?

Forty minutes is cutting it tight alright, but I'm sure the kick-off could have been delayed 15-20 minutes to facilitate the warm up. Not ideal I know, but the 500+ people present would have preferred that than what ended up happening.

The surface of the back pitch is as good as our main pitch. It's what is used by the club's U18's and U20's for most of their home games.

There is little or no lighting on the back pitch. I know that there are lights at one end, but half the time these are facing out into the car park. Not sure if they were facing in or out, but they wouldn't be of a good standard anyway.

Edit: Wallaces reasons are that he wants to protect the playing surface of the main pitch.

[oldyouth]

Mick's comments

Limerick were offered the usage of the back pitches were teams would normally warm-up but refused on the grounds of health and safety.

At 7:20pm, Mick Wallace decided to allow Limerick warm-up on the main pitch in the interest of getting the game played, but Limerick allegedly refused this offer, as it was too late, and went home on the coach back to Limerick.

Mick Wallace spoke to extratime.ie afterwards and explained the situation as he saw it.

"This is a total joke and an event like this puts the game into disrepute. No other team this season has had a problem with this warm-up setup and no other team bar Derry City have warmed-up on the main pitch, including Wexford ourselves"

"At twenty past seven, I said they could use the main pitch but they said it was too late and they went home on the bus."

"It's a real shame too, as there was a big crowd here to watch the game despite the bad weather."

[Splurge]

I'll answer as honestly as I can. The other pitch is a perfect mirror of the main pitch and would be the envy of many premier league teams. The lighting would not be great

Correct, the lighting is not great but it's good enough to warm up on. Why not keep the pitch in perfect condition for the game.

[jebus]

There is little or no lighting on the back pitch. I know that there are lights at one end, but half the time these are facing out into the car park. Not sure if they were facing in or out, but they wouldn't be of a good standard anyway.

Edit: Wallaces reasons are that he wants to protect the playing surface of the main pitch.

That's all I need to know. Our players safety comes before Wallace's precious pitch, we should not have to go down to a pitch with substandard lighting in this darkness and perform our warm up. At 7.20 Wallace was offering it to pay lip service to be honest, it's way too late to get the players properly warmed up, and if the match official did indeed say what our press release is saying then I think the brunt of the backlash is gonna hit Wexford Youths

[RonnieB]

If the lighting on the back pitch were not of a decent and safe standard then im with Limerick on this one.

[Splurge]

That's all I need to know. Our players safety comes before Wallace's precious pitch, we should not have to go down to a pitch with substandard lighting in this darkness and perform our warm up. At 7.20 Wallace was offering it to pay lip service to be honest, it's way too late to get the players properly warmed up, and if the match official did indeed say what our press release is saying then I think the brunt of the backlash is gonna hit Wexford Youths

there are lights on it, it's perfectly good to warm up on, afaik our lads train on it all yr round.

[centre mid]

Back to Football

Halftime in Setanta Cup

Derry 1-0 Linfield (Farren 23 mins)
Glenoran 1-0 St Pats (Fordyce 6 mins)

[Battery Rover]

I would doubt it. I know you cannot fulfil a fixture without agreement from the league director or else it is fines. So teams cant just walk away

[atfconline]

Told or asked? All teams train on pitch now anyway.

Told.

[jebus]

there are lights on it, it's perfectly good to warm up on, afaik our lads train on it all yr round.

The rest of the Youths fans seem to disagree

[Splurge]

The rest of the Youths fans seem to disagree

teams warmed up on it this time last season, Waterford did in March and it was as dark then.

[jebus]

teams warmed up on it this time last season, Waterford did in March and it was as dark then.

I couldn't care less what other teams did. If the lighting is as bad as your fellow fans are saying then it's unsuitable for any team that values their players health. Part-time league or not you can't send players to warm up on a pitch that only has floodlights for half the pitch, that are even then turned away from the actual pitch to light the car park and even then are of a poor standard. It's just not on

[centre mid]

I suppose for most of the season its probably not that much of an issue as its still fairly bright up until 8.00 for most of the summer. Thank god for summer football :)

[oldyouth]

Interview with Mick coming up on Newstalk.ie

[L37Ultra]

teams warmed up on it this time last season, Waterford did in March and it was as dark then.


Just because they did it doesn't make it right. Wexford were appartantly a disgrace and left Limerick with no option but to not go ahead with the fixture. All over the news. League looks like a joke now :mad:

[Battery Rover]

Issue I have with it is that by the rules I know it means Wexford will receive the points and that gives them a 5 point advantage over us

[oldyouth]

If the lighting is as bad as your fellow fans are saying then it's unsuitable for any team that values their players health.
Jebus, we have said the lighting is 'not great' but there has never been a complaint before and AFAIK, nobody ever got a knock warming up on it. Everyone is disappointed but lets wait till we have more information.
I agree that every team has a set pre-match routine but I'm sure the referree would have agreed to a 15 min delay in KO if requested

[jebus]

Jebus, we have said the lighting is 'not great' but there has never been a complaint before and AFAIK, nobody ever got a knock warming up on it. Everyone is disappointed but lets wait till we have more information.
I agree that every team has a set pre-match routine but I'm sure the referree would have agreed to a 15 min delay in KO if requested

Not great's not good enough either to be honest, not when you have a perfectly lit pitch sitting right in front of you

[ForzaWexford]

The lighting on our back pitch isn't up to match standard. It's ok lighting to train under, and up until today to warm up under, but it's not match standard lighting and in my opinon Limerick had the right to protest.

But still, driving out of the ground 40 minutes before the scheduled kick off time is madness. Especially since at that stage Wallace had seemingly agreed to let Limerick warm up on the main pitch. Surely the kickoff time could have been put back to facilitate this.

Both teams to blame in my opinion. Wexford for initially denying Limerick the use of the main pitch for their warm-up. Limerick for storming off in a huff 40 minutes before kick-off, even though at that stage Wexford had "given in". And the referee aswell I suppose for not controlling the situation. Will be interesting to see what happens!

[oldyouth]

Issue I have with it is that by the rules I know it means Wexford will receive the points and that gives them a 5 point advantage over us
I believe our players didn't actually take to the field at 8 pm and I think they are required to do so to claim the points. Perhaps that was deliberate in an attempt to avoid that scenario

[centre mid]

Both teams to blame in my opinion. Wexford for initially denying Limerick the use of the main pitch for their warm-up. Limerick for storming off in a huff 40 minutes before kick-off, even though at that stage Wexford had "given in". And the referee aswell I suppose for not controlling the situation. Will be interesting to see what happens!

Thats the way I see it also, silly situation that got out of hand. Officials have to have casting vote here.

[see's it]

where did wexford warm up?

[L37Ultra]

The lighting on our back pitch isn't up to match standard. It's ok lighting to train under, and up until today to warm up under, but it's not match standard lighting and in my opinon Limerick had the right to protest.

But still, driving out of the ground 40 minutes before the scheduled kick off time is madness. Especially since at that stage Wallace had seemingly agreed to let Limerick warm up on the main pitch. Surely the kickoff time could have been put back to facilitate this.

Both teams to blame in my opinion. Wexford for initially denying Limerick the use of the main pitch for their warm-up. Limerick for storming off in a huff 40 minutes before kick-off, even though at that stage Wexford had "given in". And the referee aswell I suppose for not controlling the situation. Will be interesting to see what happens!

More to it than we know at this stage I would say.. Limerick have become very professinal as a club this season so I can't see them stroming off in a huff. Just when it looked like we were doing things right and people in Limerick were talking the club a bit more seriously, this happens. Not happy at all. :o

[oldyouth]

where did wexford warm up?
Because all this kicked off at 7.20, they didn't warm up. When the match was called off they went out for a training session.........on the training pitch

[jebus]

Because all this kicked off at 7.20, they didn't warm up. When the match was called off they went out for a training session.........on the training pitch

If he'd had any sense of humour he'd have put them out on the main pitch :p

Either way Limerick have a responsibility to our players, Wallace can run his players on glass for all I care, and if we deemed it unsuitable then so be it as far as we're concerned I guess

[see's it]

Because all this kicked off at 7.20, they didn't warm up. When the match was called off they went out for a training session.........on the training pitch

ok then would the 2 teams have both warmed up together on the 'training' pitch?

[Splurge]

Because all this kicked off at 7.20, they didn't warm up. When the match was called off they went out for a training session.........on the training pitch

Am i right in saying that our lads train on this pitch all yr round, ie on november and January evenings.
If its good enough for training its more than good enough to warm up on.
Either way Wexford gave up in the end but LK couldnt swallow their pride.

[jebus]

this is l37 sixth or seventh visit to wexford,at least half of those visits would have been at this time so why kick up now.mk was wrong to do this,should have played the game and made his objections known after and he could have played under pre match protest to the ref.jebus l37 are hardly in a great position to talk about whats good enough given our recent history.were we not evicted from training in UL for not paying bills and lately were training on the campus grounds without prior permission.and why have two teams refused to strip in jackman pk this season....i am a disgusted at what mk has done,facilities at wexford are top class,get on with it....health and safety...give me a break.

:rolleyes:

Hey look who it is, the guy who should be restricted to the Juniorball forum with all the nonsense and lies he attempts to spread

[oldyouth]

If he'd had any sense of humour he'd have put them out on the main pitch :p

Either way Limerick have a responsibility to our players, Wallace can run his players on glass for all I care, and if we deemed it unsuitable then so be it as far as we're concerned I guess
Now Jebus, you are starting to get ridiculous. Yes, L37 have a responsibility to their players and I'd expect nothing else. As for suggesting Mick would let his players out on a dangerous pitch, well you don't know him. We are an amateur team sourced only from the locality. If any of our players are lost through injury, we cannot summon up replacements easily. Hence the reason we have played a number of 16 and 17 year olds this season.

[jebus]

Am i right in saying that our lads train on this pitch all yr round, ie on november and January evenings.
If its good enough for training its more than good enough to warm up on.
Either way Wexford gave up in the end but LK couldnt swallow their pride.

Again I say, Wallace may not care about his player's health and safety (and it certainly doesn't sound it if he makes them train on a poorly lit pitch in the darkness) but we do


Now Jebus, you are starting to get ridiculous. Yes, L37 have a responsibility to their players and I'd expect nothing else. As for suggesting Mick would let his players out on a dangerous pitch, well you don't know him. We are an amateur team sourced only from the locality. If any of our players are lost through injury, we cannot summon up replacements easily. Hence the reason we have played a number of 16 and 17 year olds this season.

It really doesn't sound like Wallace values them over a few blades of grass if all this is true about the 'not great' lighting. We're in a similar position to Wexford when it comes to sourcing our players from young locals as well

[holidaysong]

Derry 2-0 Linfield
Glentoran 1-0 St. Pat's

Both latest scores in the cross-border thing.. Not as exciting as this training pitch fiasco though!

[see's it]

where do wexford warm up for there home games?

[Gareth]

Setanta Cup has nothing on Wexfordgate

[holidaysong]

Setanta Cup has nothing on Wexfordgate

Was going to go for Wallacegate myself.. :p

[Splurge]

Wallace saying all the Lk players were happy to warm up anywhere as long the game went ahead, 19:20 was when he relented, 40 minutes is more than enough for a warm up.

[Gareth]

Was going to go for Wallacegate myself.. :p

If only it had of been waterford.... :)

[oldyouth]

[QUOTE=see's it;1034375]where do wexford warm up for there home games?[/QUOTE
On the training pitch. The same pitch that midweek training at night is used for, the same pitch every visiting team compliments after being on it.