Kevin Doyle [Archive] - Page 22

ArdeeBhoy

02/08/2013, 1:21 PM

Despite his form over the past season, 500k is a bargain for a player of his quality.

Depends on the wages he's after. On a high contract like a few other Irish players who've declined recentluy, so unless he accepts less, liable to fester at Wolves in Div.3!

Sullivinho

02/08/2013, 2:10 PM

Ward, O'Hara and Roger Johnson.

We should offer that chap a 'B' international call-up for the craic.

Charlie Darwin

02/08/2013, 2:17 PM

He's looking good for the England World Cup squad I reckon.

Junior

02/08/2013, 3:01 PM

Celtic up offer to �750k apparently. Wolves looking for somewhere in the region of �2.5m. Currently on wages of �40k pw

Celtic fans not overly enthused at the prosepct, let alone paying even �750k for the privilege.

Doesnt appear to be many (if any) other clubs sniffing around.

Closed Account 2

02/08/2013, 3:51 PM

What does that mean, they are going to pay him to not play?

I think it may have something to do with wages being linked to tunover in League 1 and League 2. I think clubs can only select a team (or perhaps it's even a squad) who have a combined wage equal to (or below) a percentage of turnover (say 60% or something).

I remember reading that if Wolves and Blackburn went down they would probably not be able to include high earners in the team (like Rodger Johnstone, Kevin Doyle, Gamst Pedersen and Jordan Rhodes) or if they did they would have to offset their wages by making up the rest of the team with YTS (youth) players on a couple of hundred a week.

shakermaker1982

02/08/2013, 4:40 PM

Why are Celtic fans getting so fussy?

Kris Commons & Samaras play for em ffs!!!

Charlie Darwin

02/08/2013, 4:45 PM

Not sure what your point is about Samaras - he's easily a better player than Doyle and a regular feature at World Cups and European Championships. I can't imagine fans of many ambitious clubs would be excited about signing a striker who's hardly scored a goal in 3 years.

shakermaker1982

02/08/2013, 6:14 PM

I'd hope Doyle could score more goals than Samaras in a Celtic shirt.

I also think my dog could score at least 10 goals a season in the SPL!!! Any striker worth his salt should be banging in at least 25 goals up in Scotland.

ArdeeBhoy

02/08/2013, 6:20 PM

Not sure what you'd base that on. As in scoring goals in the SPL are so easy.

If you were comparing Doyle of 3 years ago with Stokes you'd easily have a point. But even Stokes has improved whilst Doyle's worth (both footballing & transfer venue) seems to he dropping like a stone.

Personally, should try Leeds on loan as worked well with McDermott before?

Charlie Darwin

02/08/2013, 6:35 PM

There must be a lot of strikers who aren't worth much salt then because not a lot of strikers can manage 25 a year in the SPL. To a certain extent, the SPL is becoming a side-show for Celtic again. The likes of Samaras should be judged by how they compete in European games and he's always outstanding. With all due respect to Doyle, he's never been on the same level.

shakermaker1982

02/08/2013, 6:39 PM

Well if Gary Hooper can score a bucket load up north then there is hope for Doyle.

Doyle could do a job for Celtic. If that doesn't come off then hopefully Leeds or Ipswich comes in for him. He has never let us down in an Irish shirt & hope he can force his way back into the Irish set up.

Charlie Darwin

02/08/2013, 6:44 PM

Well Hooper has scored in the Champions League and will be playing in the Premier League next season so I'm not sure what the point of that is. Would you like to remind us about what an average striker Henrik Larsson was while you're at it?

ArdeeBhoy

02/08/2013, 7:29 PM

Tbf to Doyle, he's never been a prolific striker. And a totally different sort of player to Henrik and Hooper.
His best quality was to work very hard and make chances for others (Which would make him closest to Samaras from those other 3 names.).

But even in this, he seems to have declined. Sadly.

Charlie Darwin

02/08/2013, 7:34 PM

I don't think Doyle ever really made a lot of chances for others either. For Ireland, he was always about holding the ball up and running the channels. When he first arrived at Reading, he was your basic goalscoring striker but once he moved to Wolves he became this sort of hard-working, outside-the-box forward.

shakermaker1982

02/08/2013, 8:02 PM

Hooper started out at Scunthorpe. Scoring a load of goals for Celtic up in Scotland doesn't necessarily mean he's going to do the business in the PL.

How did Kris Boyd, Kenny Miller & Scott McDonald fare when they moved south?

Anyway I digress. It's a Kevin Doyle thread. He is good enough to score goals up in Scotland.

Charlie Darwin

02/08/2013, 8:13 PM

Nobody said he's not good enough to score goals. It's your bizarre criticism of better strikers than Doyle which is baffling.

shakermaker1982

02/08/2013, 8:34 PM

Samaras is a bog standard target man. Nothing special about him at all.

Doyle isn't a top class striker but neither is Samaras. What's bizarre about that?

Charlie Darwin

02/08/2013, 8:36 PM

You clearly don't watch Samaras play. He can play all across the front line, he's as good a wide man as he is in the centre and he has the technical ability that Doyle can only dream of. Seriously, he has played in every international competition he's been eligible for and excelled at every level. He's not a tier one striker but his ability should be evident to anyone, and Norwich haven't been chasing Hooper for a year for the craic.

Crosby87

02/08/2013, 9:40 PM

I also think my dog could score at least 10 goals a season in the SPL!!!

What kind of dog do you have Shakes? Newfoundlands are very smart. But if it's a pink Poodle, you may have a problem. I see you as a man who believes a dog is an extension of himself. So i would say a German Shepherd. Which are tall if they stand upright, so he (or she) could maybe head in 9 and score the tenth on a penalty.

Irish_Praha

02/08/2013, 9:59 PM

What kind of dog do you have Shakes? Newfoundlands are very smart. But if it's a pink Poodle, you may have a problem. I see you as a man who believes a dog is an extension of himself. So i would say a German Shepherd. Which are tall if they stand upright, so he (or she) could maybe head in 9 and score the tenth on a penalty.

Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day ;)

CraftyToePoke

02/08/2013, 10:02 PM

head in 9 and score the tenth on a penalty.

From a penalty surely ? The dog would notch its tenth from a penalty.

tricky_colour

03/08/2013, 2:33 AM

I also think my dog could score at least 10 goals a season in the SPL!!!

I expect he would **** all over the opposition!!!

samhaydenjr

03/08/2013, 3:21 AM

What kind of dog do you have Shakes? Newfoundlands are very smart. But if it's a pink Poodle, you may have a problem. I see you as a man who believes a dog is an extension of himself. So i would say a German Shepherd. Which are tall if they stand upright, so he (or she) could maybe head in 9 and score the tenth on a penalty.

From a penalty surely ? The dog would notch its tenth from a penalty.

I think that's a bit of hockey lingo creeping in from Sid the Kid

Crosby87

03/08/2013, 3:52 PM

Is it considered a power play when one team gets a guy thrown out on a red card and the other team plays a man up?

pineapple stu

03/08/2013, 4:18 PM

No, it's considered a red card.

gastric

04/08/2013, 6:58 AM

Read an article in yesterday's Indo suggesting that Doyle, Henry and O'Hara among others had been ordered to train with the reserves. Some bargain basement! This article, however, seems to refute that and the reality is Doyle will probably go out on loan to a Championship team.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/wolverhampton-wanderers-kenny-jackett-kevin-5582972

gastric

11/08/2013, 2:08 AM

Doyle started against Gillingham and played for 64 minutes, so his fitness must be improving. Stearman and Doherty also started while Foley and McAlinden were on the bench.

Charlie Darwin

11/08/2013, 5:30 PM

ArdeeBhoy

11/08/2013, 5:58 PM

They're probably hoping for the 'shop window' effect.

But unless he takes a massive pay cut...

Yard of Pace

11/08/2013, 6:15 PM

Does anyone actually know the story here? We've had the theory that his wages are too high so the club can't play him under financial rules related to turnover, the theory that he was training with the reserves because he was unwanted and the club wanted to sell him (don't get that one "here, buy our player who we don't even let train with the 1st team"), and now he's being played to put him in the shop window so other clubs can see his ability and possibly buy him.....!
;)

You'd think they'd just keep him, take the financial hit and use him to get promoted. He has more ability in his little left toe than 90% of the hacks in that league, believe me. If his head is wrong, send him away to Wexford for a couple of weeks. Do something. With a fully functional Kevin Doyle, Wolves should **** that league. And if they don't the manager should never work again.

Charlie Darwin

11/08/2013, 6:39 PM

Does anyone actually know the story here? We've had the theory that his wages are too high so the club can't play him under financial rules related to turnover, the theory that he was training with the reserves because he was unwanted and the club wanted to sell him (don't get that one "here, buy our player who we don't even let train with the 1st team"), and now he's being played to put him in the shop window so other clubs can see his ability and possibly buy him.....!
;)
It's a combination of 1 and 2 you'd think. Kenny Jackett didn't speak specifically about Doyle, but he said Ward, O'Hara and Johnson are not in his or the club's plans so they won't be training with the first team, then Doyle joined them.

gastric

11/08/2013, 9:46 PM

It wasn't anything to do with fitness. He was playing with reserves because the club want to get rid of him. Obviously the manager has now overruled them to say that actually he needs his best players to win games. It is very much to with fitness as Jackett has said. Of course he is trying to sell him, but if it was just about the shop window why aren't Henry and O' Hara playing?

Charlie Darwin

11/08/2013, 9:52 PM

It is very much to with fitness as Jackett has said. Of course he is trying to sell him, but if it was just about the shop window why aren't Henry and O' Hara playing?
Maybe you'll be proved right but I don't think so: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23573774

I'd imagine Doyle is different than the others in that he would command a transfer fee, whereas the others are likely to go for free to whoever will pay their inflated wages.

ArdeeBhoy

11/08/2013, 9:52 PM

Didn't Henry join QPR?

Acc. to comments on my Facebook feed, O'Hara seems to despised by most Wolves fans...
Doyle and Ward less so, besides being perceived as cr*p last season. Along with the rest of their squad.

TrapAPony

11/08/2013, 10:25 PM

Doyle to Hull City?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/hull-transfer-news-kevin-doyle-2153251 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/hull-transfer-news-kevin-doyle-2153251)

Lionel Ritchie

13/08/2013, 12:18 PM

gastric

16/08/2013, 9:40 AM

Doyle to Swansea? Would love to see it happen, but I am sceptical about it.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/michael-laudrup-refuses-to-rule-out-bid-for-kevin-doyle-29503787.html

Philly

16/08/2013, 3:35 PM

I really doubt any Premiership club would go for him. I like him and he has played well for Ireland, but there's no getting away from his goalscoring record. 5 league goals in 2011, 4 in 2013 and just 9 in the Championship. I think Celtic is the best things will get. Maybe a year in League 1 wouldn't be the end of the world for him? Could get him back in the goals.

Charlie Darwin

16/08/2013, 3:54 PM

I don't understand where all these Doyle rumours come from. Surely he's not still got Pat Dolan representing him?

dr_peepee

16/08/2013, 6:12 PM

I don't see it happening but I wouldn't be too surprised if one of the lower tier PL clubs picked him up either. His form and fitness hasn't been great since that injury a couple of years ago but it wasn't too long ago that a performance for Wolves was described as the finest exponent of the lone frontman in the Top Flight. Kevin Davies suffered a similar slump in his career including a failed loan to Millwall before thriving at Bolton in a particular role. Low scoring as it was. I wonder if there's more to his fitness than we know though.

Grafter

16/08/2013, 9:00 PM

I wonder if there's more to his fitness than we know though.

Don't know but I felt there was a period where he was being flogged to death at club and international level.... he was taking a hell of alot of abuse from defenders over a sustained period.... no surprise that his body would betray him eventually....

I see today Stephen Ward went on loan to Brighton - not a mention of it here.... there seems to be a collective "meh!" when it comes to him.... Probably played a bit too much too for Wolves and Ireland and was a case of diminishing returns from him?

dr_peepee

16/08/2013, 9:56 PM

I feel for Ward. He cut his teeth as a left full with massive exposure at club and international level. His learning curve was under Severe scrutiny and an impression is formed and set. His age belies his experience I think.

Charlie Darwin

16/08/2013, 10:36 PM

Ward was actually a striker or winger until he was 23/24. No surprises he wouldn't have all the defender's instincts when called up to international level, although I still think he performed well most of the time.

Colbert Report

17/08/2013, 1:50 PM

Don't know but I felt there was a period where he was being flogged to death at club and international level.... he was taking a hell of alot of abuse from defenders over a sustained period.... no surprise that his body would betray him eventually....

I see today Stephen Ward went on loan to Brighton - not a mention of it here.... there seems to be a collective "meh!" when it comes to him.... Probably played a bit too much too for Wolves and Ireland and was a case of diminishing returns from him?

Brighton is about his level, he scored on goal for Wolves against Liverpool around Christmastime a few years ago but other than that, he was crap for Wolves and even worse for Ireland. Terrible player. He had no business being anywhere near the Ireland team for the last two years.

Crosby87

20/08/2013, 10:41 PM

Jackett happy with Doyle:
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/wolverhampton-wanderers-fc/2013/08/20/kenny-jackett-theres-more-from-kevin-doyle/

ArdeeBhoy

06/10/2013, 5:21 AM

Played OK v.Colchester yesterday (at the game!) but nowhere good enough for the Germans and probably Kazakhs too...

Respect for this though.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=730914623591772&set=a.492099754139928.132788.486146671401903&type=1&theater