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cornflakes
05/07/2011, 10:53 AM
Arsenal fans would do well to listen to the neutral plaudits Doyle has drawn - BBC, Times, Guardian....
When I suggested last year to some Arsenal season ticket holders I met that they should replace Bendtner with Doyle they laughed. "No star quality" and "Bendtner's doing alright for us" were the responses.
Star quality is all some people care about not the fact that a player is actually good. The Premiership is basically Heat magazine for men at times.
When Arsenal signed Chamakh last summer all their fans were going on about what a great signing he is and saying "he'l be world class". These people had never seen him play and were just reading some useless journalists (who never seen him either) opinion of him, never mind the fact he only scored around 50 or 60 goals in 7 years in Ligue 1. French or other European players are automatically great when signed, Irish players are just automatically crap.
Yard of Pace
05/07/2011, 11:13 AM
Star quality is all some people care about not the fact that a player is actually good. The Premiership is basically Heat magazine for men at times.
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Ha! That is very true at times actually. "Fans" of the big clubs can be utterly nauseating with this stuff.
Had a read of the Arsenal messageboard thread on Doyle and can't really disagree with much of it though. While they do probably have ideas above their station given Arsenal's current standing, after Bergkamp, Wright, Henry, Anelka.....well, Doyle wouldn't look too great, would he? Most of them do say they like him but he's just not quite good enough. Which is fair enough, imo.
Murfinator
05/07/2011, 11:49 AM
Star quality is all some people care about not the fact that a player is actually good. The Premiership is basically Heat magazine for men at times.
When Arsenal signed Chamakh last summer all their fans were going on about what a great signing he is and saying "he'l be world class". These people had never seen him play and were just reading some useless journalists (who never seen him either) opinion of him, never mind the fact he only scored around 50 or 60 goals in 7 years in Ligue 1. French or other European players are automatically great when signed, Irish players are just automatically crap.
This is why the game is so disrespected among other sports fans, because of so many idiotic fans who don't have a clue what they're talking about.
cornflakes
05/07/2011, 12:15 PM
This is why the game is so disrespected among other sports fans, because of so many idiotic fans who don't have a clue what they're talking about.
I don't think I've ever experienced that, do Rugby fans or GAA fans think that?
Kingdom
05/07/2011, 12:27 PM
there are just as many idiot football fans as there are idiot Gaa or Rugby fans, they all express themselves equally dumb, but in different ways.
Stuttgart88
05/07/2011, 12:39 PM
Most of them do say they like him but he's just not quite good enough. Which is fair enough, imo.My main argument in Doyle's favour is that that's not the point. Arsenal need someone who can hold the ball up, distract defenders and bring Van P and attacking midfielders like Nasri into play. They need a guy who takes personal responsibility and who works hard when the chips are down and who has good character. They also need a good attacking header of a ball - which would increase Walcott's threat. Chamakh may be slight but he's decent a decent header, though he missed some great headed chances during Arsenal's barren run since February.
Doyle fits the bill in all those regards. I made the point about Adam Clayton, Morecambe & Wise etc. earlier to illustrate what I'm saying.
ArdeeBhoy
05/07/2011, 12:55 PM
Doyle should move, just not to Arsenal IMO.
Not really compatible with their style. And if they lose all their star players, might just about to be take a major nose-dive....
an_ceannaire
05/07/2011, 12:57 PM
Lads, will ye stop! Doyle is a decent player. No more no less. He is no where NEAR Arsenal quality! Not even close! Wenger would be far better off putting the 12m towards Crouch or Milito. Dolye is decent at a level but not even a distant cousin of an Arsenal player!
He would go there, fail to score, be hated by the fans and be out the door and playing for Celtic within 12 months!
ArdeeBhoy
05/07/2011, 12:58 PM
Nice try at a pointless wind-up, but no cigar.
geysir
05/07/2011, 1:23 PM
He's a certified wummer, nevertheless there's a small bit of sense.
Doyle is good enough for Arsenal now. They are a 5th place team punching above their weight. The EPL title is Man United's by default. On occasion some other club gets a sniff in, Arsenal managed it when they were in their prime, but most? of their fans think they should be doing that all the time and regard 4th place as a failure /Wenger should go. Would Doyle be a player that Arsenal need to rise above their failure status?
Just a thought.
Charlie Darwin
05/07/2011, 1:27 PM
There's two sides to Doyle. On one hand, he scores a fair whack of goals from very little opportunities, but on the other hand I wouldn't consider him clinical. That shouldn't be a huge problem at Arsenal since only Van Persie could be considered a proper goalscorer. I think we've all seen Arsenal camped around the edge of the opposition's box trying to find angles where there is none. Doyle would give them a different emphasis, dragging defenders out of position to make room for the likes of VP and Walcott.
Stuttgart88
05/07/2011, 6:25 PM
I agree entirely with the evolutionst.
I watched Arsenal about 30 times last year. Chamakh is lightweight and gets pushed about. Arshavin couldn't be arsed half the time. Bendtner shows occasional quality, but far more often is careless and lacking in moral courage. Van Persie and an attacking midfielder like Nasri would thrive if Doyle was present. The "park the bus" tactic that is so easy to play against Arsenal would be much less easy.
During their barren run Bendtner and Chamakh contrived to miss easy late headers in 3 of Arsenal's draws. Any one of them would have been buried by Doyle imho, and would have stopped Arsenal's run-in faltering so badly. I'm absolutely sure there are better no. 9s out there, but it's not star quality that Arsenal are lacking. They have star quality in abundance. They need a player like Doyle.
There is every chance that he could go there and bear the brunt of the disillusion after Fabregas leaves, and especially if Nasri leaves. That'd be the risk.
message to Doyle - buy yourself some gloves and a snood. Deal done.
paul_oshea
05/07/2011, 8:03 PM
I agree with Stutts and CD, think thats exactly how it could and would work, nothing to do about whether arsenal are a top team or doyle is a top top player, their respective styles would suit eachother, and I'm sure Wegner knows more than most of us, so he has probably seen this and more. HOpefully he can get it out of doyle. The one thing I worry about is his pace, or lack of pulling out defenders quick for the others to run inside.
Anyway could be a great move.
Sullivinho
05/07/2011, 8:33 PM
Chamakh is lightweight and gets pushed about.
Gives me the impression that he's loathe to upset that laboriously crafted hairdo. On the flipside though, he has an exotic sounding name.
Stuttgart88
05/07/2011, 9:22 PM
As Leonard Cohen might sing (I use the word "sing" liberally), so long Marouane...
CraftyToePoke
05/07/2011, 9:31 PM
I hope Doyle goes to Arsenal, I think he would do a lot better than some people think, not just in goals but overall play also. Also I think the link is Wenger admitting a shift in policy is needed at the club and a feather in Doyles cap that he considered the man to add what a club of that stature have been missing.
I think Everton would be the ideal club for Doyle. He would be respected there as well unlike at Arse.
tetsujin1979
07/07/2011, 9:19 AM
Arsenal linked with Benzema this morning, which could end any possibility of Doyle moving if it goes through
Stuttgart88
07/07/2011, 10:50 AM
I've never really got Benzema. More hype than substance, or is he the real deal?
I suspect he'd be another glove & snood wearing poser who'd score a great 5th goal against Swansea, but would be nowhere to be seen against Stoke.
dotts101
07/07/2011, 11:42 AM
Lads, will ye stop! Doyle is a decent player. No more no less. He is no where NEAR Arsenal quality! Not even close! Wenger would be far better off putting the 12m towards Crouch or Milito. Dolye is decent at a level but not even a distant cousin of an Arsenal player!
He would go there, fail to score, be hated by the fans and be out the door and playing for Celtic within 12 months!
Are you serious???? Crouch is very much over rated, only because he is english( i know irish rate are players). so many times does he falter or foul because of his height, doyle is more potent and composed than crouch. i know this is a different argument but look at how spurs are set up, to accomadate VDV, what do they miss???? a poacher and who is one of the best poachers in the EPL? our own robbie keane!!! case example Van Nistlerooy and scholes, Torres and gerrard!!! milito is more a footballer than a doyle type player..
Murfinator
07/07/2011, 12:14 PM
Comedy merchant. I was with bringing people down to ground level with Doyles ability not being at the top level. But giving an example of a top striker as Peter freaking Crouch and adding further insult putting him in the same sentence as a great striker like Milito? Are you high?
Murfinator
07/07/2011, 12:18 PM
Arsenal linked with Benzema this morning, which could end any possibility of Doyle moving if it goes through
Don't see this happening, Benzema's wages and transfer fee is too rich for arsenals blood. I don't personally know why people feel they're in the market for a striker. They've got Van Persie, Chamakh, Bendtner, Vela while Gervinho and Arshavin can play there too. They often only play a lone striker to begin with. They could sell Bendtner and still not need a replacement.
This Doyle business is essentially a product of the media feeling like theres a change in Wengers transfer policy looking for more hard working guys with substance over style. Doyle fits that bill so is probably just a victim for the media to run their story about wengers emphasis change.
geysir
07/07/2011, 12:31 PM
The way Arsenal like to play they could have done with a striker like Suarez and a winger/striker like Sanchez.
ArdeeBhoy
08/07/2011, 11:07 PM
I think Everton would be the ideal club for Doyle. He would be respected there as well unlike at Arse.
No way they could afford him, but far more suited to their style than Arse's faux-finesse, which is largely all mouth and no trousers....
Sadly.
boovidge
08/07/2011, 11:20 PM
The way Arsenal like to play they could have done with a striker like Suarez and a winger/striker like Sanchez.
not judging by their performances tonight so far.
Murfinator
09/07/2011, 12:55 AM
The way Arsenal like to play they could have done with a striker like Suarez and a winger/striker like Sanchez.
Sanchez is way out of their league. Think they and others missed a trick with Suarez by being too cheap, Liverpool got value for money with him.
ArdeeBhoy
09/07/2011, 2:33 AM
Way way too early to tell with Sanchez.
Judge him in a couple of seasons or so.
Incidentally, makes more sense Doyle at Liverpool than Arse, IMO.
Crosby87
12/07/2011, 2:02 AM
No one on here mentioned Juve!!! At least not in the last 1,000 days :eek:
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/933687/juventus-and-arsenal-chasing-wolves-striker-kevin-doyle---report?cc=5901
No one on here mentioned Juve!!! At least not in the last 1,000 days :eek:
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/933687/juventus-and-arsenal-chasing-wolves-striker-kevin-doyle---report?cc=5901
I'm sure you mean not in the last 2 days (http://foot.ie/threads/152526-Transfer-rumours-Summer-2011?p=1507195&viewfull=1#post1507195).
Sullivinho
11/08/2011, 1:11 PM
Kevin Doyle on course to be fit for opener. (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/wolverhampton-wanderers-fc/2011/08/11/kevin-doyle-hopes-to-be-fit-for-opener)
irishfan86
11/08/2011, 11:42 PM
Thanks Sullivinho, now I don't have to go with the dreaded Long-Cox partnership up front in my all-Irish fantasy football team.
ken foree
12/08/2011, 1:18 AM
doyle is a god. imagine if we didn't have him. taken for granted by too many, and i was one of them that underestimated him when he came on the int'l scene.
The Guardian today has resurrected the "Doyle to Arsenal" business:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/aug/18/football-transfer-rumours-kevin-doyle-arsenal
DannyInvincible
21/08/2011, 1:44 PM
Doyle scores his first goal of the season for Wolves to put them 1-0 against Fulham:
A quickly-taken short corner catches Fulham cold and Matt Jarvis squares for Kevin Doyle, who rides a couple of challenges and slams his shot past the helpless Schwarzer. Doyle enjoyed that, so much so he is booked for removing his shirt in his celebration.
EastTerracer
21/08/2011, 1:46 PM
Doyle scores just before half-time against Fulham. He and Stephen Hunt then demonstrate why the average Irish people are not renowned for their dancing skills.
Noelys Guitar
22/08/2011, 11:05 AM
A lot of gossip of the Wolves forum saying Liverpool have made a bid for Doyle.
Duggie
22/08/2011, 12:22 PM
hed be mad to go to liverpool, now i dont really rate carroll to much but with them spending 35 mill on him they wont want to keep him on the bench to often. suarez is a def starter so who's the odd man out? ya exactly..
Acornvilla
22/08/2011, 12:27 PM
hed be mad to go to liverpool, now i dont really rate carroll to much but with them spending 35 mill on him they wont want to keep him on the bench to often. suarez is a def starter so who's the odd man out? ya exactly..
Not to mention Dirk, it would be utter stupidity to have that many forwards who expect to start every week
paul_oshea
22/08/2011, 12:53 PM
Yep agree with the two points there mentioned, although dirk doesn't always play as an out and out striker. Don't move for competition for places, Carrol is a very average player, except to geordies who have no sense of realism at all. But daglish will not want to show his very stupid mistake so early, that he will automatically start him.
Doyler looking good at Wolves, playing well, and wolves playing well too with nice football. Don't go to sit on the bench at liverpool with only a half every game.
I see Mark McCadden has it in the Star today. He always seems a decent journo. Would he be privy to someone on the inside as regards this supposed bid? On another note Paul "Copy & Paste" Hyland is running this story now. If anything he is consistent!
passinginterest
22/08/2011, 1:15 PM
I could see Doyle getting quite a lot of game time, he can play as a direct replacement for, injury and suspension prone, Carroll or he can play in the wider position occupied by Suarez, Kuyt, Maxi. He's played both roles fairly regularly in his career so the interest from Liverpool makes sense. I'd love to see him make the move, I honestly think he has the ability to relegate Carroll to the impact sub role.
tetsujin1979
22/08/2011, 1:16 PM
I see Mark McCadden has it in the Star today. He always seems a decent journo. Would he be privy to someone on the inside as regards this supposed bid? On another note Paul "Copy & Paste" Hyland is running this story now. If anything he is consistent!
What is he going to use to fill space now that John O'Shea actually has left Old Trafford!
Acornvilla
22/08/2011, 1:25 PM
Apparently Dirk's just said hes had an offer from Inter on dutch TV, the plot thickens
Charlie Darwin
22/08/2011, 3:10 PM
The Liverpool interest is a little unexpected but it makes sense. Dalglish signalled his intention by dropping Suarez on Saturday for Kuyt - he's going to rotate his strikers. Liverpool are going to be pushing for the top 4 this season and the way Dalglish plays he won't hesitate to throw on four strikers if the team needs a goal. I'd still be surprised if it went through though.
Noelys Guitar
22/08/2011, 11:37 PM
MM saying no way Doyle is leaving (kind of). http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/soccer/2011/0822/1224302844417.html
BonnieShels
23/08/2011, 8:00 AM
Wolves are doing well... a hundred million per cent start? Yikes!
paul_oshea
23/08/2011, 9:35 AM
Hmmm mccarthy could get a big bite in his arse on this one should Doyle leave.
shakermaker1982
23/08/2011, 11:07 AM
Liverpool linked with Bellamy as well this morning.
I really don't want Doyle going to Liverpool....
Liverpool linked with Bellamy as well this morning.
This move makes more sense. Liverpool aren't looking for another striker to play week in week out, they're looking for decent cover for their front-line. Whoever joins them is likely to be behind Suarez, Carroll, Kuyt and Ngog in the pecking order. At 32, Bellamy would probably be OK with that, especially as Liverpool seem willing to meet his £95,000 a week salary since there's not going to be a transfer fee allegedly. Doyle would be under no illusions about the move to Liverpool, I think he's far too ambitious to put himself in a position where he's unlikely to be playing very much football.
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