Cork AUL 2012/13 (Forum ban for Infractions)

[overthehill]

i see castleview v blarney st ath on in brookelodge is that where blarney st ath playing home games good pitch Apparantly so, played Brooklodge in Riverstown last week and they mentioned that Blarney st were using the community pitch this year!

[Clifford]

Where was he supposed to be going?????????


Someone a while back hinted at St Michaels Tipp. No truth to it as discussed.

[Silly Billy G]

Tower started pre season very well , 100% record so far. Beat Killowen 1-0 away last night i think, could do well in div 3. Terence McSweeney v good defender on his day at the back and if they hold onto Sean Taggart they have the makings of a very good defence. Young side but some decent players there from what i can see. Lots of them not playing at all last season so good to see them back playing.

[Liathroidi]

best of luck to all teams for the season lads may the best teams win there divisions

[schoolboygodno9]

Rock mount junior 2 Bweeng 1 rock mount only fair for a team that are normally there or thereabouts in the msl junior they hadn't a shot in the second half chawky reffed it great ref

[Horse24]

Best of luck to everyone lads. Lets hope our "dry summer" is later this year! As per every pre-season I think we will win everything...............Im bound to be right some season arent I?

[oldlegs]

Wonder will many games go ahead this weekend with this weather that we getting . Not many clubs will want to ruin their pitch in the first week of the season .

[levelheaded]

too true not a lot of pitches will survive this weather so any games that go ahead best of luck to all teams and groundsmen
of any teams nice start to the season trying to get things right.see a few new refs in the aul this year should be interesting.

[Leftside]

Hi Guys,

New to the site. Im Involved with Leeview, been reading the forum for awhile and decided to contribute.

Really hope the weather eases as a lot of teams have put serious effort into pre season and nothing worse than opening day getting called off. I feel the more of the high quality astro turf facilities that shoot up around the city the Better. In our section alone there's 3 teams that use them (including ourselves) which will decrease the amount of games we have called off.

[Liathroidi]

lads whats yer take on aul refs ive watched alot of games last season and there was lots of bad decisions and lots of games ruined over it i hope they can stand up and be better for the new season

[Liathroidi]

lads can anyone tell me any bookmakers take bets on cork aul soccer ?

[Radiostar]

Liathroidi, Cashmans normally do, but it might be a bit early.

[Liathroidi]

when is the best time to get the best odds ?

[oldlegs]

when is the best time to get the best odds ?What's the bet I'll give you odds .

[Leftside]

Cashman's normally wait until 3-5 games into the season before taking money. For obvious reasons they wait to see how strong some teams are.

[oldlegs]

lads whats yer take on aul refs ive watched alot of games last season and there was lots of bad decisions and lots of games ruined over it i hope they can stand up and be better for the new seasonTo be honest I feel sorry for the refs in the aul it's a thankless job . You have guys playing the game and supporters watching the game that think they know all the rules etc but in fact haven't a clue . Then all it takes is a ref to make 1 bad call and everyone is on their back I don't think forum should be used to mouth off at ref's. We don't see many new faces starting out as refs and can you blame them when all they get is abused without ref's we wouldn't have a league . I've never seen or known a player to go out and have a bad game but yet it happen's same can be said for refs ,

[schoolboygodno9]

To be honest I feel sorry for the refs in the aul it's a thankless job . You have guys playing the game and supporters watching the game that think they know all the rules etc but in fact haven't a clue . Then all it takes is a ref to make 1 bad call and everyone is on their back I don't think forum should be used to mouth off at ref's. We don't see many new faces starting out as refs and can you blame them when all they get is abused without ref's we wouldn't have a league . I've never seen or known a player to go out and have a bad game but yet it happen's same can be said for refs ,
Agree with the majority of what u said but if they make a big mistake they should at least admit it after the game to the team after all they do get paid for running around and half of them don't do that

[billythefrog]

Agree with the majority of what u said but if they make a big mistake they should at least admit it after the game to the team after all they do get paid for running around and half of them don't do that

I agree also but how can you expect a ref to admit he made a mistake after the game there would be uproar dude !!

[schoolboygodno9]

I agree also but how can you expect a ref to admit he made a mistake after the game there would be uproar dude !!
If your training hard all season and a fella makes a mistake or a questionable decision costs them he should explain if asked after the game fellas are paying a fiver or a tenner in some cases for script I think there entitled to an explanation rather than being fobbed off and spoke to like a five year old that's my opinion the leagues should encourage ex players to ref not some fellas after an easy pay day

[Liathroidi]

lads refs shouldnt do the job if they getting decisions wrong week in week out just an opinion not on to slate them

[schoolboygodno9]

lads refs shouldnt do the job if they getting decisions wrong week in week out just an opinion not on to slate them
I played a match a few years ago it was very important game and the ref made an awful booboo and he's one of the best and most respected in cork he came in at half time and asked to speak to the manager explained and apologised for his error our manager said fair enough that was the end of it we drew the match and we said nothing to him afterwards just shake his hand he went up a hundred fold that day for me point being if the refs explained questionable decisions fella wouldn't get freaked out on the pitch but there told to get out of the referees sight when asking a question

[oldlegs]

In a perfect world yes but we don't live in a perfect world what refs we have we lucky to have and for 40 odd euro a game I can think of a hell of a lot of better things then have 22 players and both sets of manager's shouting at me for 90 minutes. And I don't ref. I'm still playing away . I'd love to have astro pitchs sand based pitchs etc to play on and dressing rooms hot shower's etc after every game but alas its not happening . But I live in the real world and I know things can not always be how you want them . ;)

[sharpshooter]

Thinking of backing casement for division 3B in an accumulator for when the odds come out for the season,anyone have any knowledge on who would be strongest in the league?

[R75215]

I played a match a few years ago it was very important game and the ref made an awful booboo and he's one of the best and most respected in cork he came in at half time and asked to speak to the manager explained and apologised for his error our manager said fair enough that was the end of it we drew the match and we said nothing to him afterwards just shake his hand he went up a hundred fold that day for me point being if the refs explained questionable decisions fella wouldn't get freaked out on the pitch but there told to get out of the referees sight when asking a question

That get out of sight thing is ridiculous. Not jsut the AUL refs but soccer refs as a whole we could take a leaf out of the rugby book here. Theres times when refs make dreadful decisions or make a call without seeing something else and when a player tries to point something out to them they are told to go way.

[schoolboygodno9]

Anyway will they have even games to ref this weekend the weather is shocking

[schoolboygodno9]

Thinking of backing casement for division 3B in an accumulator for when the odds come out for the season,anyone have any knowledge on who would be strongest in the league?

Have casement folded senior msl they won aul two last season and they were going senior now there in three b the league is a joke a senior standard team in the lowest league

[Horse24]

I wrote a post on refs before the subject comes up and changed my mind!!

Im not sure I would do it myself, but the fact remains they are being paid for what they do and no-one is forcing anyone. If I dont do the job I am paid for, my paymasters will have something to say about it. Its a bit of a annoyance of mine as long time posters may remember. The paymasters of referees, i.e. the teams, are never asked to rate the refs. Refs are judged by refs - makes sense to a point but surely the paymasters should have some say - some official communication channel? Turkeys dont vote for Xmas!

On the rugby comparison, its one I have made myself in my head lots of times and the conclusion I have come to is this. Rugby refs talk more to the players and explain decisions - right or wrong.

This season has already had a situation for me ( I know...very early). Whistle was blown for a foul at the edge of our box. Correctly, the ref didnt make a call because he was back a bit, so he took stock of where the players had been and went up to confirm the line and tackle mark on the ground. He blew for a penalty.
I happened to be nearby and did the same walk behind him. The tackle mark I saw was outside the box so I asked him.
Maybe I had the wrong mark, maybe the tackle was at the end of the stretched tackle - I dont know. Thats why I asked.

Not a word, nothing. Just looked and walked away. Was that respectful to me? I didnt think so. Theres the key difference, in my opinion between rugby refs and soccer refs.
We are expected to give money and automatic respect and all we ask is respect in return. The best refs understand that.

Sharpshooter - from your betting record, thats a kiss of death for Casement! Care to spill the beans on the rest of your accumulator?
Just so you get the spelling right its B-L-A-C-K-S-T-O-N-E!!

Its something I will ask people to pm to me because its not information you may want to share. Whats the membership costs for your team or any team you know? I dont even need the team name.....though I will know some of you! What do ye have to pay at the beginning of the season? Whats your weekly costs? Do ye have weekly tickets? etc. I would be grateful for anyone willing to share.

I wont make the AUL meeting tonight so if anyone is there, please share the goings on.

[oldlegs]

100 membership Horse and 5 sub for home game

[greengrass]

Hi Guys,

New to the site. Im Involved with Leeview, been reading the forum for awhile and decided to contribute.

Really hope the weather eases as a lot of teams have put serious effort into pre season and nothing worse than opening day getting called off. I feel the more of the high quality astro turf facilities that shoot up around the city the Better. In our section alone there's 3 teams that use them (including ourselves) which will decrease the amount of games we have called off.

i just dont like the astro pitches
give me a grass pitch any day of the week

[roberto1]

will there be many games go ahead this weekend?cant ever remember first games of the season being cancelled because of the weather

[oldlegs]

Thinking of backing casement for division 3B in an accumulator for when the odds come out for the season,anyone have any knowledge on who would be strongest in the league?Game the other evening how did Rob Moore play for ye and did he sign

[six-yard-box]

I wrote a post on refs before the subject comes up and changed my mind!!

Im not sure I would do it myself, but the fact remains they are being paid for what they do and no-one is forcing anyone. If I dont do the job I am paid for, my paymasters will have something to say about it. Its a bit of a annoyance of mine as long time posters may remember. The paymasters of referees, i.e. the teams, are never asked to rate the refs. Refs are judged by refs - makes sense to a point but surely the paymasters should have some say - some official communication channel? Turkeys dont vote for Xmas!

On the rugby comparison, its one I have made myself in my head lots of times and the conclusion I have come to is this. Rugby refs talk more to the players and explain decisions - right or wrong.

This season has already had a situation for me ( I know...very early). Whistle was blown for a foul at the edge of our box. Correctly, the ref didnt make a call because he was back a bit, so he took stock of where the players had been and went up to confirm the line and tackle mark on the ground. He blew for a penalty.
I happened to be nearby and did the same walk behind him. The tackle mark I saw was outside the box so I asked him.
Maybe I had the wrong mark, maybe the tackle was at the end of the stretched tackle - I dont know. Thats why I asked.

Not a word, nothing. Just looked and walked away. Was that respectful to me? I didnt think so. Theres the key difference, in my opinion between rugby refs and soccer refs.
We are expected to give money and automatic respect and all we ask is respect in return. The best refs understand that.

Sharpshooter - from your betting record, thats a kiss of death for Casement! Care to spill the beans on the rest of your accumulator?
Just so you get the spelling right its B-L-A-C-K-S-T-O-N-E!!

Its something I will ask people to pm to me because its not information you may want to share. Whats the membership costs for your team or any team you know? I dont even need the team name.....though I will know some of you! What do ye have to pay at the beginning of the season? Whats your weekly costs? Do ye have weekly tickets? etc. I would be grateful for anyone willing to share.

I wont make the AUL meeting tonight so if anyone is there, please share the goings on. 50insurance start of year 10 a week 2 nites training in that aswell.. at worst we have to sell tickets at x-mas n a last man after x-mas. nothing at all anyone could complain about imo..

[six-yard-box]

just on the referees i always find if you just have a quiet word after the incident at the next break of play they nearly always explain it maybe thats just me tho!!

[Innishvilla]

That get out of sight thing is ridiculous. Not jsut the AUL refs but soccer refs as a whole we could take a leaf out of the rugby book here. Theres times when refs make dreadful decisions or make a call without seeing something else and when a player tries to point something out to them they are told to go way.

I suppose some times it comes down to the fact there are a minimum of 11 guys screaming at the referee that he's made an absolute f*ck up of a decision, it is very difficult to then have a quiet word or explain seeing as most of the time he's being abused.

I was never an angel on the pitch but I always found a quiet word when the ball went dead after the real shouting and roaring about a decision had died down normally leads to a reasonable response.

Also every single player should try some level of refereeing - I just helped out once at a preseason 5 a side tournament. The job is tough - not made any easier by the players involved, everyone claims everything. Guy kicks the ball 5 yards wide and first thought is to try to claim a corner... Let's not forget no matter what way you dress it up - it is a form cheating and it is encouraged. Just recently saw at olympics in the badminton if you call a shot in our out - you get a warning, next time point is awarded against you, the line calls are the line judges responsibility.

I think Joe Brolly's artice recently was an excellent example - substitute soccer for GAA.
http://www.isrscork.com/brolly.htm

[Dixie's Cousin]

Innish, I'm with you there, I was never captain for my team but over the years you get a respectable relationship with the Referees and you can then have a quiet word when the ball goes dead. 99 times out of a 100 you will get an answer but I have never seen the point in moaning about a decision no matter how unjust because no matter how good the argument is he won't change his mind.

[fruice]

Could someone confirm for me is the casement team in 3b there first team or there second team????

[Silly Billy G]

Hi Guys,

New to the site. Im Involved with Leeview, been reading the forum for awhile and decided to contribute.

Really hope the weather eases as a lot of teams have put serious effort into pre season and nothing worse than opening day getting called off. I feel the more of the high quality astro turf facilities that shoot up around the city the Better. In our section alone there's 3 teams that use them (including ourselves) which will decrease the amount of games we have called off.

We had one as well back when i played, only problem I found was that all your games towards the end of the season were away ! when the weather was bad we were happy to switch to our place and it meant lots of trips away come April/May

[schoolboygodno9]

Could someone confirm for me is the casement team in 3b there first team or there second team????

I'm trying to find this out also I reckon it's there first team as there not down for any keane cup fixtures

[fruice]

If this is the case its pure rubbish and the aul have alot to answer for! Casment will run away with the league and thats no good to no one! Its the same as last year parks second team droped two divisions to the third and won the 3rd division, lakewoods first team packed it in last season and they all played with there third division and they ran away with there section! Where is the fairness in this???

[schoolboygodno9]

I know its a joke but I don't think they'll be that good to be honest after thinking about it a lot of there player wont drop to aul 3

[levelheaded]

just on the ref situation most of us know the rules of the game or think we do anyway.i dont think its the rules that frustrate people but its how they are implemented by certain refs. if a call goes against a team its only normal for people to question it, nine times out of ten if you ask a question you get an answer but it seems to be different with some refs.in there defence if a line or team is constantly on to a ref it will get his back up, again human nature.i think refs should relise teams train twice or three times aweek, sell tickets, line pitches just to have a game off ball,but who would do there job certainly not me.

[Radiostar]

On Caement, it was a second team they were putting together for the 3rd division Aul, at the time they had their first team going back senior, I heard a lot of players left Casement so won't be playing with them, not sure what will happen the rest if they don't enter a senior team.
On the referee thing, it wont change, and the biggest culprits for this are the top teams, it seems drilled into players to call for every little thing collectively, seen it again recently in a friendly we played against a senior team. And watched a lot of senior games last season with the same thing, just a form of trying to bully the refs into giving decisions their way, it works for them so I can't see it stopping, hard enough for the refs without that.

[Radiostar]

I agree with ya Red and White, but easier said than done, I've never reffed, and by your comments I doubt you have either. Maybe Maninthemiddle could give his view on it.

[Leftside]

A buddy of mine has just joined Casement MSL. They have 2 teams; 1 AUL and 1 MSL. The senior players will NOT being playing AUL 3 so at least it gives every club a fair go off the league.

[greengrass]

any friendlys going ahead tonight lads?

[levelheaded]

no ref is going to get evereything right and if he did all the games would end up as draws to please everyone. i think
a huge issue with people [ adults ] are treated like schoolboys when it comes to some refs.if refs dont like indivuals
from certain teams or certain teams etc that can be avoided.as for been bullied by lines and teams they should be trained
or advised by their powers that be so i dont think that should wash as an excuse.not enough ex players reffing so when we all pack up we know what to do. i think the weather is going to be the winner this weekend best of luck with any games on.

[Horse24]

We played in the Farm tonight. Pitches were a credit. An easy game to ref Id say cos both teams just got on with it. A good ref though cos he just says what he is thinking - no fluff. Respected by both teams then. Happy with our run out as we beat UCC 1-0. Our best game of pre-season as your last one should be. Bring on the season.

[R75215]

We played in the Farm tonight. Pitches were a credit. An easy game to ref Id say cos both teams just got on with it. A good ref though cos he just says what he is thinking - no fluff. Respected by both teams then. Happy with our run out as we beat UCC 1-0. Our best game of pre-season as your last one should be. Bring on the season.

New enough to the forum bud who are you associated with?

[schoolboygodno9]

A buddy of mine has just joined Casement MSL. They have 2 teams; 1 AUL and 1 MSL. The senior players will NOT being playing AUL 3 so at least it gives every club a fair go off the league.

how come there not down for the keane cup bud

[padjoe]

And teams must realize that we referee up to five or six games in a week/weekend. At the moment I am doing four high level games a weekend. We give players countless opportunities, we have a road block process to cautioning players. Still players get on your back.
Teams need to understand, referees will have bad days and when we do there is no escape.. We can't wave at the sideline to be substituted like a striker whose missed ten chances on goal or a defender who is to sluggish to track back.
Referees who have off days can only limp to half time, hoping the second half will be different. Remember we are only ever one tackle away from total chaos ensuing..
I gave a player four chances last weekend, with each blow of the whistle the back chat would start. "you're not letting the play flow" when i blew for a first free.. every time..... first foul, second foul, chat to player, third foul, spoke to the captain, admonished the player and the fourth yellow card, persistent infringement,.. that's 40 minutes, second half, fifth foul, more back chat, six foul good night, you've had enough chances. Every time I blew the whistle he had something to say. When I finally walked him, there were no arguments from the coaches, no arguments from the team mates.
I was told earlier in my season, that I get paid to do what I do so i deserve the abuse. I get paid $50 a game, thats a nominal fee to cover my travel expenses and my gear. It's not to have a comfortable living. Referees really are the third team in football and its about as much as retaining composure and not letting **** get to our heads. I was a goalkeeper, a **** one, but one all the same, I called for everything.
On occasion where I give it back, I get told you're the referee you can't talk like that..I do talk the teams before the game, give them the sceal of what i expect, my style of refereeing and yes I am Irish, so you prob won't understand me so don't waste your breath on me.. I mean that politely..if you have a question ask me at half-time or after the game.
I do police everything in the first ten minutes to demonstrate that yes I can referee and I am here to keep a grip on the game but then I loosen up as the match temperature allows.
I love a physical game of football, it's not a tickling contest after all, and that gets me in trouble from time to time but you can't call everything there would be no game. I do play a lot of advantages where possible. There is no better feeling that seeing a great advantage lead to a goal.
When I referee English teams, I get told I am against them cause I'm Irish.. I explain that is exactly what the IRA had in mind, send me to New Zealand, get me to **** off a few English teams, that would drive the Brits out of the North..
When I referee more ethnic teams, I get accused of racial bias when I award frees against them and because I am white european.
Had a right back from south auckland take three swings at me during an all in brawl as I broke up the fight and still he claimed he wasn't aiming for me.. even though he'd jump at me fist closed when my back was turned.
Remember last season refereeing a Nigerian team in Sunday league and they kept comparing me to the referee who cost Barcelona in the Champion's League, a couple of seasons ago, because they were black and I was white.
Last year as an Irish referee in NZ, I was sent to referee the only Irish team in the league versus a Chinese team. I awarded Irish team a penalty, Irish team misses penalty, there was an infringement in the box by Chinese player, Irish referee orders a retake to which the Irish team scores. Even though it was all justified, it still sounds so dodgy..doesn't it?
This weekend Irish team playing in top of the table league decider.. whose assistant referee 1..me! I raise this point to my superiors that this might be suss.. I get at least you'll understand what they are saying.. and it will be grand..
Refereed their rivals few weeks back on a miserable, shocking day. Pitch barely playable. They were playing a Scottish team.. Celtic Supporter Club. I explained to the rival team, that the pitch was nearly unplayable and if they were sure they wanted to play.. I was an Irish referee, refereeing them in a potential shock because of the conditions.
Rival team leading 8-0 by half-time, 10-0 by the 75th... pitch was no longer playable.. game abandoned.
League allowed result to stand thankfully.. these are obviously the more extreme examples of what i have faced.
It's simple not every kick, push, trip, handball is a foul, not every keeper will hold every ball and I understand naturally first port of call is to blame the referee.
Last weekend, made a huge mistake as an assistant referee, there was an offside, referee didn't see my flag, blew for a penalty. I kept my flag up for an age. The referee still didn't look, i took my flag down, penalty scored. team went from 2-0 to 3-0 down in an instant. The players were of opinion i"d flagged for penalty any way, which is no excuse, mistakes do happen, never had that situation happen before.
The assessor rightfully hammered me in the post game assessment for not standing my ground. We learn from our mistakes, won't happen next game or next time situation arises. We get assessed, I get assessed at least once a weekend or once a fortnight. Being assessed is as bizarre as the players... because you've this one person with a clip board telling you everything you done wrong regardless of how well you played...then they finish by saying enjoy your season.
The week before, i was two minutes deep into injury time, home team up 2-1, time added on was gone, but sufficient delays in injury time, to warrant adding time on... just about to blow when away team kicked a ball from just inside the centre circle and that split the defense, away team scored.. referee to blame... nothing to do with shoddy defending or failure to pick up the striker.. so then after I had a very decent game, in my opinion, I was told to read the rule book, i said thank you, you are entitled to your opinion.. to which I got **** you..
I still made sure to shake players hands and went home and thought about the game. At the end of the day, we still all have to go to work on Monday and we will cross paths again during the season.
I work in a bar and I get players coming in asking about my season so far and they tell me about theirs. They see me as human when not in the middle..