Limerick Junior Soccer 2004/05

[shannonsider69]

Listen,first of all let's get something straight about that result. Fair enough Rathkeale were beaten 4-0 but I was at the game and watching it. They outplayed the "home" side (considering it wasn't even on in their own field) for the first 30 mins. 3 individual mistakes cost them 3 of the goals and even the players themselves will tell you it was an absolute brutal performance against 12 men including the guy in the middle with the whistle. A few of the boys said it was even embarassing, but you get days like that in football as I'm sure you're all aware.

Secondly to say that the Clare League is physical is an understatement...I haven't seen alot of it but from what I have......they're muckers and hoofers with very few exceptions....

As for Ballingarrys result in the FAI, well any team will raise it's game against the current champions of another league. I'm sure it's not the first time Kilkishen came close to causing an upset or any other "lower" team for that matter. That's what makes football and especially Cup football the game it is.

To summarise, I don't think it's fair to judge an entire league on 2 results and in my opinion the Desmond League is a very strong one and I watch games every weekend. Fair enough, the best teams in the league NCW/Rathkeale/Ballingarry/Broadford mightn't be a match for the View or Pike, but after that they'd have every chance against the rest of the teams in the Premier (who don't seem to be anywhere near a match for them too).

This brings me to my next and final point, if the View are going around thrashing teams in the Premier then maybe the LDMC Premier isn't as strong as everyone says it is. Afterall at the end of the day it's 11 v 11 on the field, BUT the View are still destroying teams week in-week out :confused:

[Pauliwallnuts]

Shauntrade F.C. 3-4 Cratloe Clt.
Bunratty F.C. 3-0 Newcastle West
Newtown 2-1 Pallaskenry

Shannonsider69
Theres just a few more results that I know of (thats just this year) and pretty much every CFL team that played a Desmond team knocked them out maybe with 1 or 2 exceptions so I'm not judging the entire league on 2 games.I'm judging on experience of playing & watching down through the years.

If you take into account that the Clare League are Oscar Traynor cup holders & results between teams from the respective leagues I think I have a valid arguement when I state that I believe the CFL to be a stronger league than the Desmond.

Your statement about CFL being full of muckers and hoofers with very few exceptions.... is just plain ridiculous.It is a physical league no doubt & teams are well matched but I've been involved in plenty just as physical in the LDMC.
I stated that the football in the LDMC is of better quality no doubt but the CFL still has alot of quality players rather than muckers & hoofers as you say.

There are plenty of lads who have played in both over the years & I've never heard them complain of the physicality in the other.

Look at the end of the day I'm not going to have an arguement with you about it. You obviously follow the Desmond League & are entitled to your opinion but the original arguement here from Limerick Boy was that if Desmond
players wern't lost to the LDMC they would be a match for any the top LDMC teams which I was stating was highly unlikely.

I have backed that assumption up by using the CFL as an example of a weaker league than the LDMC which regurlarly knock out Desmond teams from the national comps.

My final point is that Fairview at this point in time are the most exceptional Junior team in the country so its obvious they will give the odd team a hiding but there are alot of other strong teams in the premier (Balla,Boro,Pike,Park Rgs,Mungret Reg,Star & Charleville)

[clownboy]

And to throw everything up in the air again Fairview were beaten 5-0 by Carew Park the weekend...Funny old game eh??

[inexile]

Listen,first of all let's get something straight about that result. Fair enough Rathkeale were beaten 4-0 but I was at the game and watching it. They outplayed the "home" side (considering it wasn't even on in their own field) for the first 30 mins. 3 individual mistakes cost them 3 of the goals and even the players themselves will tell you it was an absolute brutal performance against 12 men including the guy in the middle with the whistle. A few of the boys said it was even embarassing, but you get days like that in football as I'm sure you're all aware.

Secondly to say that the Clare League is physical is an understatement...I haven't seen alot of it but from what I have......they're muckers and hoofers with very few exceptions....

As for Ballingarrys result in the FAI, well any team will raise it's game against the current champions of another league. I'm sure it's not the first time Kilkishen came close to causing an upset or any other "lower" team for that matter. That's what makes football and especially Cup football the game it is.

To summarise, I don't think it's fair to judge an entire league on 2 results and in my opinion the Desmond League is a very strong one and I watch games every weekend. Fair enough, the best teams in the league NCW/Rathkeale/Ballingarry/Broadford mightn't be a match for the View or Pike, but after that they'd have every chance against the rest of the teams in the Premier (who don't seem to be anywhere near a match for them too).

This brings me to my next and final point, if the View are going around thrashing teams in the Premier then maybe the LDMC Premier isn't as strong as everyone says it is. Afterall at the end of the day it's 11 v 11 on the field, BUT the View are still destroying teams week in-week out :confused:


cant quite agree with you there you would have to inlcude boro there especially since they have got a few players back, balla are current league champions and are still strong and so far this season carew pk and park rangers are unbeaten so they seem to have improved somewhat

[clownboy]

cant quite agree with you there you would have to inlcude boro there especially since they have got a few players back, balla are current league champions and are still strong and so far this season carew pk and park rangers are unbeaten so they seem to have improved somewhat

Park Were Beaten this Season Twice Balla Beat them in the League 2-1 and Boro beat them in the MJC at the weekend.Carew are still the only unbeaten team

[inexile]

your dead right clownboy i sit corrected however i wouldnt really count last sunday as it was on penalties, but basically my point is that they have come on from last year they have beaten pike already this season, and as u said carew park have beaten fairview and are unbeaten so far this season so obviously they have improved

[balls]

desmond league is no where near the standard . most of the players are just off season gaa players.playing soccer just to keep fit during winter. all the top clubs in munsters players are just dedicated to one code thats why the likes of st michaels ,fairview,clonmel town, pike and carrick are all successful in all competitions.

[Limerick Boy]

:D pauliwallinuts, its obvious ur out of touch wit the league, especially since u mentioned star as a strong premier team?? were dey not relegated last year?

[Limerick Boy]

regional loose again? they must now be one of the contenders for relegation, pity after their 3consecutive promotions and their explosive start to the year! any opinions on eventual champions?

[clownboy]

I dont think that they will get relegated Though..It is very tight at the bottom but I think that Summerville and Hill Celtic will go down..One of three to win the League Balla, Fairview, or Pike

[backodanet]

something must have happened out there in regional they are a good side when full strength - if they keep going like this they will go down abbey seem to be fighting hard and getting a few points and are level with them i still don't think they will go down
i 'd have to go for mungret and summerville

for champs i go with pike or the view

[inexile]

hard to look beyond fairview in my opinion the only thing is if they concentrate too much on the fai, which knowing derek whyte i cant see it allowed to happen, pike dont convince me they still struggle to score goals and cant afford to be dropping points especially when they havent played any of the other big sides yet

as for the drop hard to look beyond summerville and hill celtic but as they say its a funny old game

[Pauliwallnuts]

You're right Limerick Boy I'm a bit out of touch with the Limerick League these days. Decided to return to play for the hometown club in the CFL before I finally hang up my boots.The knocks are just taking that bit longer to get over these days. sniffle sniffle !!! :(

[inexile]

coupla strange heads on the oscar traynor gary long cyril maher phillip purcell jj hartigan?
surely there is better than them there
did they play 3 at the back buckley purcell and houlihan or was purcell playing in midfield with tommy barrett right full?
good result though anyone have any info?

[Limerick Boy]

jj hartigan was a poor enough goalie at youth level, never mind junior. just seems to be livin on a reputation. how bout danny fitzgerald? seen him play in goals for regional a few times, looks good and solid?

[clownboy]

coupla strange heads on the oscar traynor gary long cyril maher phillip purcell jj hartigan?
surely there is better than them there
did they play 3 at the back buckley purcell and houlihan or was purcell playing in midfield with tommy barrett right full?
good result though anyone have any info?

Houlihan was playing right Full...Buckley and Purcell...Barrett was in Midfield with Phelan..as for the "strange heads" that you mentioned,these lads areall good young lads who want toplay in this competition. A lot of the older guys just dont want to turn up so that is why they are in so bestof luck to them

[inexile]

first of all limerick boy i wouldnt put danny fitzgerald in goals for my subbuteo team he goes down in installments and is very slow off his line if i was to pick another keeper it would be johnson with balla failing that there isnt too many other options

clownboy i know all those fellas are good players especially johnny lyne i think he is going to be class, but in my opinion he probably left out 2 of the better young lads ger bourke and gary hannon but maybe it was a balance issue

Also its good to see he is picking young lads look at the ages on the squad
Gordon Stewart 30s?
Houlihan 21
Buckley 24
Purcell 26/7ish
Considine must be 30
Lawlor 24
Phelan 23
Barrett 25
O'Keeffe 28
Kelleher 20
O'Neill 21
subs
Lyne 19
Hartigan 19
Maher 22
Conway 28
Long 19

thats a good young panel with one or 2 experienced bodies in it, but even the young lads are experienced Kelleher,O'Neill and Buckley are all internationals

[inexile]

sorry clownboy do you have any info on the match?
seems by all accounts to have been a good performance!!

[clownboy]

Ya good young team there..I agree hannon and Bourke are very good players no doubt But they arecentral midfielders and you need a bit of experience in there..even though i think Bourke was actually in the squadbut could not make it.

It was a good performance from Limerick down there ...The pitch was heavy.The Kerry defence could not handle the Limerick Strikers Kelliher and O'Neil very pacey.Kelliher got the first an excellent goal 5 passes before it was crossed to Barrett and he cushioned a header into Kellihers path and he finished very well.The second was a long ball from Phelan over the top to O'neill and he chippedit over the advancing keeper ..Two up at half time and coasting ...created a lot of chances.Kerry scored 2 minutes into the second half and kerry score ...The ref Local officials gave Kerry a free...They wer biased all day to be honest ...Luckily Limerick were much Better than Kerry who werent great to be honest...The free was floated in and Houlihan headed the ball off of a kerry attcker..John Lyne who replaced Lawlor at half time scored 5 minutes later when the keeper made a hash of a back pass..The fourth goal came with about 10 minutes to go ...another good goal involving Lyne,Phelan, Barrett and O'neill who raced clear to square for Barry Conway to tap in ...Buckley O'neill and O'Keefe also went close to scoring in the secondhalf also...Overall it was a good performance from Limerick with O'Neill and Kelliher standing out..Lyne also did well when he came on

[joeSoap]

Phelan 23

:D :D :D .....yeah right....

[inexile]

what age is he so there is no way he is more than 25 anyway

[clownboy]

ya 25 going on 26

[joeSoap]

Well, this is his fifth or sixth season with Pike, and he played with the View and Dines before that, so I'm presuming he's 27 ish....could be wrong though..He got his international cap at the View didn't he..?

[inexile]

i thought he was younger to be honest although he has been around a long time hasnt he?
cant see jaws making too many changes to that team although i can see dunphy going straight back in right full with houlihan and purcell battling it out to play alongside buckley

[clownboy]

Well, this is his fifth or sixth season with Pike, and he played with the View and Dines before that, so I'm presuming he's 27 ish....could be wrong though..He got his international cap at the View didn't he..?


He never got a cap...Heplayed in a trial game with the irish team alright ...doesent count as a cap though ...Trust me he is 25 going on 26..Played with Granville before Pike and Fairview..He never played with the Dines

[joeSoap]

He never got a cap...Heplayed in a trial game with the irish team alright ...doesent count as a cap though ...

I seem to remember him getting a cap as a sub in 1997 as a junior international....Fairview list him as one of their 'capped' junior internationals.

[clownboy]

I must ask him the next time i see him ...Must have been very youn ...Minor that year/ first year junior fair play to him

[inexile]

i think he got capped for the irish colleges team when he was in lit
maybe that is where the confusion is coming from

[inexile]

big shock of the day yesterday carew pk knocked outta the mjc by regional 4-2 which is their first defeat of the season
other results
fairview 2-1 summervill
abbey 2-2 charleville
balla 4-0 hill celtic

in the munster junior
boro were made fight all the way by mungret again before winning 2-1 against them for the 3rd time this season and for the 3rd time barry conway scored the winner
pike strolled to a 4-0 over shelbourne to meet the boro in the next round

in the fai park got a late winner after being made to fight all the way against corbally

in 1a
granville 1-0 caherdavin
wembley 5-2 geraldines
holycross 3-3 croom

[clownboy]

FAI Junior Cup Draw

Acouple of big Ties...Pike V Fairview and Park V Boro...Balla V Caherdavin.Granville V Bruff and Herbertstown V Carew

[inexile]

pike got the draw no one wanted although derek whyte will be telling anyone who listens that pike will be favourites cos they always seem to do well against them!! still id have to go for fairview, as for the other ties hard to see balla losing to caherdavin, carew pk have a potential banana skin against herbertstown away where balla came unstuck in the mjc last year, park and boro will be another close call out in shannon but boro seem to be coming into form and are beginning to look like there is the potential for a quality side so ill go for them by a whisker, as for the other tie granville and bruff great for those clubs that one of them can get outta town thats what cup football is all about however i do think its a pity that one of these 2 teams will get outta town but 2 from pike fairview boro and park wont

[Limerick Boy]

dont know much about the youth scence in limerick but i see the oscar trainor youths panel has been announced, any strange heads? any1 ommited, just food for discussion...

[inexile]

dont know much about the youth scence in limerick but i see the oscar trainor youths panel has been announced, any strange heads? any1 ommited, just food for discussion...

any of the wembley lads who arent in the squad could feel aggreived as could paul o donoghue of hill celtic who i think is as good as whats around

[barryk]

Paul O'Donoghue is not even turning up for games. The manager seems to have included the best around. Maybe David McCarthy of Hill Celtic deserves a bite but otherwise.....

[Limerick Boy]

i dont think it would have been possible to include any more wembley lads, 9 i think are on it. darren hanly of corbally and kevin young??

[inexile]

no what i meant was they all probably had strong claims to be on the panel obviously you cant pick them all

[joeSoap]

Whats The Current Situation Regarding The Dermot Finnan Affair ?
What "Dermot Finnan Affair"...??? Whats he supposed to have done now??

[inexile]

Dermot Finnan resigned as fairview manager roughly this time year then took the oscar traynor team to the quarter finals and is now managing janesboro where he is trying to pretty much rebuild the team from scratch cos apart from 3 or 4 players ie brian lawlor barry conway mark houlihan alan o keefe and jason o conner he doesnt have a whole pile to work with

[clownboy]

Dermot Finnan resigned as fairview manager roughly this year took the oscar traynor team to the quarter finals and is now managing janesboro where he is trying to pretty much rebuild the team from scratch cos apart from 3 or 4 players ie brian lawlor barry conway mark houlihan alan o keefe and jason o conner he doesnt have a whole pile to work with


Idhave to disagree with that..He hasa lot more to work with than Mike Ryan had and he brought them on a great run in the league and cup campaigns last year ...Finnan has brought in a few and kept most of last years squad except paul o donnell so they should do as well as they normally do if not better because they have a very experienced team with some good young lads

[inexile]

in theory clownboy you would be right but some of the older lads seem to be really stuggling with fitness, conor lynch has gone off the boil,bubbles cant run,alan sheehan has gone over the top, robbie dalton is getting sent off for no reason,mick ahern has been a big loss going forward from the back,kevin fitzpatrick has been a loss cos for all his faults he is still better than whats there,dom fitzgerald is a very poor centre back,ray hourigan has been a loss for his versatility alone and the seem to be struggling fitness wise, fair enough i have only seen them twice but they are not a patch on fairview. They were fairly good against pike for 45-60 mins but saying that that was only due to inspirational performances from their 3 key players up the middle o keefe o connor and houlihan. Daltons sending off was the killer

[inexile]

not that i have heard and id say clownboy would agree when i say that something like that would spread like wildfire around the town, besides they are still in the fai and munster junior and with a good draw and a bit of luck could go a long way

[clownboy]

Ya I think everything seems to be ok up there ...I think Boro will do well in the FAI if they beat Park

[inexile]

thats a big if though, there was nothing between the sides on both occaisons they have met this season if im informed correctly, although i would fancy them to give pike a rattle in the mjc after watching last weekends match, that is assuming they can keep 11 on the field

[joeSoap]

They were fairly good against pike for 45-60 mins but saying that that was only due to inspirational performances from their 3 key players up the middle o keefe o connor and houlihan. Daltons sending off was the killer

I was at that match, and to be honest, I thought Boro were quite shocking. I think the only 2 players they had who posed any threat to Pike were O'Keeffe and Brian Lawlor, the odd time he saw the ball. The goalie can't kick the ball half the length of the pitch, and this Mark Houlihan fella seems to be the most overrated player I've seen in a long time. I honestly can't see what you seem to see in him, and I'm not slagging here, I just don't rate him. I've seen him 3 times now this season, and each time is as bad as the others.O'Connor does not look fit enough yet for me. Pike got a silly pen...the tackler should have known that Considines right foot is for standing on only, and he posed absolutely no threat where he was. Stupid. Scrappy second goal, ut Pike have a decent side now, and I fancy them to knock the View out.

[inexile]

id agree that o connor is no where near as fit as for houlihan answer me this much, did martin o neill the pike centre forward do a whole pile? i would say not i think houlihan marked him completely out of the game and he is an international centre forward, just for the record he was wearing number 4

[clownboy]

I think Houlihan is a good young player but i would have to agree that he is over rated but thats probably Mike Ryans Fault not his...I think he will develop into a fine centre Back if he doesent believe the hype that is he is still a bit green.Agree with Joe if anyone is to knock the View out it Pike ...They have beaten them th last 3 times they have played them and are in better form at the moment..I think it will be close though

[inexile]

why do you say its mike ryans fault clownboy?
cant see pike beating fairview, they have too much class for them

[barryk]

Watched Oscar Traynor Yesterday. Very Poor Display. John Lyne Was A Strange Choice To Start With Dave Wall On The Bench.

[inexile]

heard alan o keefe was man of the match yesterday? that right ? jonny lyne is a winger davy wall isnt is the only reason i can think of

[clownboy]

why do you say its mike ryans fault clownboy?
cant see pike beating fairview, they have too much class for them


The reason i say that is because he was raving about Mark and how good he is etc and that might of went to his head a bit ...good player in my opinion though and will get even better no doubt