Shay Given

[DeLorean]

Poor guy just couldn't let go I think, he still had to be picked. I'd like to see him drop a division or two and actually play out what's left of his career but I guess he's earned the right to do whatever the hell he wants at this stage. I can't say 2012 onwards really bothers me in the overall picture, it's not like he played with a broken leg or wanted to look bad by performing poorly, he obviously felt he was fit enough to get through it, and the medical team and Trap agreed. Anyway, I'd prefer to remember this kind of stuff...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgKkRRom7vY

[OwlsFan]

I see Shay played for Stoke. Tough one against Manchester City and he went the wrong way for the penalty. Memories of Suwon in 2002. I'll take that penalty shoot out with me to the grave.

[DeLorean]

A friend text me saying he dived the wrong way before Aguero even started his run up. :)

[paul_oshea]

He's getting older he needs to anticipate these things in order to cover the ground in time.

If he keeps playing, mon should call him up.

[tricky_colour]

http://footyroom.com/matches/79922105/stoke-city-vs-manchester-city/review

Don't really think you can fault him on anyone the goals.

The Man City keeper also went the wrong way for the Stoke penalty so he is as good as he is.

He is hardly the future though.

[DeLorean]

Going the wrong way is fine. The problem is that he goes so early that he actually gives the taker a chance to change his mind and kick it in the opposite side. He's unlikely to improve at this stage but I actually can't understand how bad he's remained throughout the years.

[tricky_colour]

I don't know why keeper do not just remain where they are at least you don't leave a tap in for the penalty taker.
Given has never been good on penalties though, can't find one penalty save on youtube!

He is not very tall which is a problem on penalties I think, plus the penalty taker knows he will go early
so it is almost a certainty, at least if he stood his ground it would put some pressure on the penalty taker.

[BonnieShels]

He's getting older he needs to anticipate these things in order to cover the ground in time.

If he keeps playing, mon should call him up.

Get out

[SkStu]

Watching Everton v Stoke. Given saves penalty!!!!! But it comes off the post and back out, hits off his head and back of the net! Oh dear... (He's played very well actually)

[Charlie Darwin]

But did he dive before Baines had started his run-up?

[geysir]

Hard to resist indulging in a bit of schadenfreude.

BBC report
"Shay Given pushed Leighton Baines' spot-kick on to the post but the ball then rebounded off Given's head and in."

[Colbert Report]

Man of the Match today despite the "own goal."

[tricky_colour]

Funny that having just been discussing his penalty saving abilities.

I have no seen the "save" yet.

Well I have not, he didn't seem to go early, which I think is the best thing to do, ie not go early.

Don't think I have seen him score with a header before!

[Stuttgart88]

It was quite funny actually. It definitely counts as a save though.

[OwlsFan]

It was quite funny actually. It definitely counts as a save though.

I had to laugh really when I saw that. For once he goes the right way and he scores an OG as a consequence. You couldn't script it better but I am struggling for a word that covers the situation. Not pathos, ironic (possibly), ludicrous, off the wall...

[tricky_colour]

Should not have been allowed, as I understand the rules Shay was offside when he headed it in.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnKy0xZzlTc

"A player is in an offside position if: he is nearer to his opponents' goal line than both the ball and the second last opponent."

[tricky_colour]

I had to laugh really when I saw that. For once he goes the right way and he scores an OG as a consequence. You couldn't script it better but I am struggling for a word that covers the situation. Not pathos, ironic (possibly), ludicrous, off the wall...


It didn't come off the wall it came off the post!

[OwlsFan]

But did he dive before Baines had started his run-up?


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The answer is no!! 14 years too late for Shay but a lesson there for other keepers perhaps ? Should have been disallowed for encroachment though?

[BonnieShels]

I didn't know where to commemorate it as the match thread is now closed. But today is 5 years since we should have realized that he wasn't up to it for Euro 2012 and let Armenia score:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12yczZm0eZg

I had considered putting this in the Simon Cox thread (didn't score the back heel) and Richard Dunne's (did score a header) but feck it, Shay it is.

[NB. I only remember the date because my nephew was born 5 years ago today and was born when I was on the DART to Lansdowne]

[DeLorean]

He dropped a similar one in against Estonia after that.

[BonnieShels]

He dropped a similar one in against Estonia after that.

He did. I'll post that next month.

[pineapple stu]

Let it never be said we don't get any lucky breaks.

[BonnieShels]

Let it never be said we don't get any lucky breaks.

When the bad luck and good luck are somewhat in equilibrium I will let it be said.

[DeLorean]

I didn't know where to commemorate it as the match thread is now closed.

By the way, they were locked so that they'll stay in the right order.

[BonnieShels]

By the way, they were locked so that'll they'll stay in the right order.

That's impressive pedantry. :)

[Charlie Darwin]

I didn't know where to commemorate it as the match thread is now closed. But today is 5 years since we should have realized that he wasn't up to it for Euro 2012 and let Armenia score:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12yczZm0eZg

I had considered putting this in the Simon Cox thread (didn't score the back heel) and Richard Dunne's (did score a header) but feck it, Shay it is.

[NB. I only remember the date because my nephew was born 5 years ago today and was born when I was on the DART to Lansdowne]
Doyle who missed the backheel I believe. Jammiest match ever.

[geysir]

That was the jammiest qual group ever, we were soaked in shamrock and clover and that was before the play off draw.

[DannyInvincible]

Shay has been released by Stoke: http://www.the42.ie/shay-given-could-be-set-to-retire-after-release-from-stoke-3409762-May2017/


The veteran star made five Premier League appearances for Mark Hughes’ side this season but was largely held in reserve despite the club’s regular number one Jack Butland being out injured for most of the campaign.

Donegal native Given has yet to confirm his next move, though at 41, it would be no surprise if he was to bring his illustrious footballing career to an end.

[Diggs246]

world class from 2000 to 2012

[tetsujin1979]

if he does retire, it'll be the first time in more than 20 years that he won't play a Premier League game.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

He looks completely different to when he did 20 years ago.

Robbie Keane looks the same as he did 20 years ago except he has a couple more wrinkles, Dunney too.

Given looks like a different person.

[Stuttgart88]

world class from 2000 to 20122010 I reckon. Signs of decline were there in the second half of the Euros qualifying campaign in 2011 and very evident in the actual tournament.

[Diggs246]

I'm not sure. He had a howler against Estonia at home but then the friendly against Hungary he was amazing. In the tournament he let everyone down... wasn't fit

[DeLorean]

A lot of discussion about playing through the pain barrier these times, Roy Keane regrets it, Mourinho expects it.

I have to say I don't hold it against Given for playing in those Euros, he obviously felt he could still perform. Just one of those things where you're a hero if you play through the pain and perform well, like Paul McGrath with his two knees hanging off, and it's thrown in your face if you make a mistake or two and you're just a selfish git.


I'm not sure. He had a howler against Estonia at home but then the friendly against Hungary he was amazing.

He had one against Armenia too.

[NeverFeltBetter]

The management team really should hold as much or more of the fault for the Euros I think, they should have realized the issues and gone with someone else, but maybe sentiment played a part . He's been such a great servant internationally. It's a shame he never had a real stand-out club success. Half of a First Division winning season at Sunderland, the Intertoto with Newcastle, subs bench on Man City's FA Cup run in 2011. Stayed too long at Newcastle maybe.

[nigel-harps1954]

One of the great under-achievers of the Premier League era I think. He definitely stayed loyal to Newcastle for too long.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Linked with QPR.

https://www.google.ie/amp/www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/transfer-talk-qpr-looking-free-13099581.amp

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Is writing a book.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/the-gloves-arent-coming-off-just-yet-35785482.html


And then there is a book to write. Given has finally been persuaded to pen his memoirs and is meeting ghost writer Chris Brereton over the summer to refresh the brain. He wrote Jimmy White's and Steve Harmison's biographies, which are both humorous and honest - right up Given's street.

It will cover all, from helping with his father Seamus' pitch 'n' putt and door-to-door market garden businesses, his mother Agnes's death from cancer when he was just five, the highs and lows of his career, including Gary Speed's suicide, his acrimonious and difficult departure from his beloved Newcastle - "Mike Ashley might not want to buy the book" - and, of course, Saipan.

"I won't want to be too serious but I will be honest," he adds. "The publishers have come up with some topics they want me to discuss, and of course Saipan is in there. It's standard for every Irish player that was there to talk about 'f***ing Saipan'."

[seanfhear]

I'd say that should be F***ing Saipan and F***ing Roy Keane....

or

F***ing Roy Keane and F***ing Saipan.....

[Colbert Report]

Shay Given was on OTB today with McAteer and Kilbane. Has he decided to retire or is he still looking for a club?

[DeLorean]

Has he decided to retire or is he still looking for a club?

Reveals all here - http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/soccer/shay-given-still-looking-out-for-number-one-456739.html

[Olé Olé]

Someone else on the panel mentioned something in passing about Given moving into punditry in the future. May have been a joke.

He made an interesting point about Imbula at Stoke in that discussion about how he's a record fee and hasn't settled there but hasn't tried. It was interesting.

The whole discussion was open. Quinn discussed some of his signings (Cana, Bent, Gyan) and how he would have had sleepless nights when parting with big bucks on players.

[DannyInvincible]

Shay is releasing an autobiography in the near future and some extracts have been published in the Sunday Independent. Pundit Arena have re-quoted bits here (http://www.punditarena.com/football/bbarry/shay-given-reveals-referee-following-thierry-henry-handball/) and here (http://www.punditarena.com/football/bbarry/1shay-given-recalls-rousing-speech-ireland-vs-france-2009/).

On the Henry hand-ball in Paris:


Immediately I was off, sprinting over to him. “HANDBALL, HANDBALL, REF, REF, HANDBALL!”

It was the most blatant act of cheating I’d ever seen on a football field.

I remember Kevin Kilbane hammering the referee, telling him he was a joke and that he’d just made the biggest mistake of his life. I was into him as well, giving him loads. “YOU’RE A DISGRACE. HE CHEATED, HE’S CHEATED US.”

And on the players throwing Trap's game-plan out the window for that game:


Shay Given, writing in his upcoming autobiography 'Shay: Any Given Saturday', described the anguish after the first leg and what was needed to be done.


"Where had our spark gone? Where had our mischief gone?

For the second leg in Paris, Trap wanted us to remain as we had in the first match. He wanted us rigid and deep without pressing too much.

As a squad, though, we felt this was the time to roll the dice."

Given recalls the speech he gave to his teammates before they took to the field in Stade de France.


“Lads I don’t care what he [Trap] says, we’re going to go at these tonight… We’re going to f***ing go for it, we’re going to press them, we’re going to hurry them, we’re going to throw everything at them. Whatever happens, if we get beat we get f***ing beat – and nobody gets back on that bus without giving everything”

Robbie Keane echoed the goalkeeper’s sentiment.


“This is why we play boys, this is where we want to be. We go out there now and we hit them with everything we’ve got until they don’t know what the f***’s going on.”

[tetsujin1979]

Strange, Darron Gibson (who had an axe to grind with Trapattoni) said before there was no mutiny in Paris: http://www.ciarano.me/post/61944556607/gibson-trap-was-lucky-euro-2012-ended-after-three

Gibson, who came on after an hour in the game best remembered for Thierry Henry’s handball, says there was no such mutiny.“I don’t think that happened to be honest. It might have looked that way because we actually did have a proper go at them – we tried to close them down as quick as we could – and because of that and winning the ball back it looks like we were on that attack all the time.
“It was our chance to get to the World Cup so everyone was really up for it and the nature of the game was that everyone really wanted to get through, the adrenaline maybe made it look as if we were attacking a bit more.
“I’m not aware of any other plan, unless they had meetings without me there.”

[DannyInvincible]

Maybe Given said what he said in the huddle right before the game kicked off. Gibson was on the bench and only came on in the second half, so wouldn't have been in the huddle.

Didn't Keith Andrews also say the players decided to take things into their own hands and disobey Trap's instructions?

[tetsujin1979]

It says in the link there that it was said before they took to the pitch, it could have been in the tunnel?

[Charlie Darwin]

Maybe they just didn't tell Darron.

[DeLorean]

Maybe Shay is trying to sell some books. That was at the end of Trap's first campaign, where he'd turned Ireland from being a shambles into a well organised, competitive side. The players would have been pretty much eating out of his hands at that stage, maybe even still in awe of him a bit. I find it hard to believe they'd have deliberately gone against his instructions but who knows.

And what happened after that night? Why did the same players revert to type if taking matters into their own hands had worked so well?

[Charlie Darwin]

Well, as Danny pointed out, he's not the only one who said it. And I might be wrong but I think Richard Dunne diplomatically said something similar after the game. To be fair, it's also possible that Trap wanted them to press like that but they were concerned with the discipline side of it and hung back, when in reality they showed they can press and still hold their discipline.

[DeLorean]

Yeah, but regardless of how many of them say it, I still think it's too convenient. If they want to take credit for a rare good performance, I think they should be obliged to take responsibility for all the crap ones too. I get the impression they're happy to let Trap take the hit for those though.