Shay Given

[the bear]

A loan to the championship might be ideal. somewhere for Shay to recover form somewhat out of the spotlight.

[Serb]

I could well be mistaken, but I'm almost certain that the MLS do not allow players to be loaned to any of their franchises. Can you give me an example from the last couple of years of a player that has been loaned out to a MLS team?

It's not as common as in British football, but there are quite a few players on loan in the MLS this season alone including Raphael Augusto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphael_Augusto), Simon Dawkins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Dawkins), Martin Rivero (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mart%C3%ADn_Rivero), Chris Klute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Klute), Sebastian Rincon (on loan at Portland Timbers), Jose Goncalves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Gon%C3%A7alves), Mario Martinez (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Mart%C3%ADnez_(footballer)), Miller Bolanos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_Bola%C3%B1os) and Jair Benitez (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jair_Ben%C3%ADtez)

[IsMiseSean]

A loan to the championship might be ideal. somewhere for Shay to recover form somewhat out of the spotlight.

Southampton look like their in need of a keeper.
Boruc, Davis and Gazzinga haven't exactly inspired confidence this season, but Villa might not be to keen loaning him to them.

[Metrostars]

I could well be mistaken, but I'm almost certain that the MLS do not allow players to be loaned to any of their franchises. Can you give me an example from the last couple of years of a player that has been loaned out to a MLS team?
I know Markus Schopp was loaned from Reb Bull Salzburg to Red Bull NY a few years ago and more recently Brian Nielsen too.

But you are correct that in general, MLS rarely loan players in. In any case, I'd doubt an MLS team would take a player such as Given on loan due to the fact he would probably be on DP wages and teams don't want to "waste" a DP on a goalkeeper.

In any case, I don't think Villa will chance loaning Given out given(!) their poor form and precarious position. If Guzan picks up an injury I doubt they would like having whoever their 3rd keeper is come in at this point of the season.

[NeverFeltBetter]

Back page of the Mirror today features a story about an apparent lack of contact between Trap and Given after his hinting of coming out of international retirement.

[Charlie Darwin]

Shay back for the cup game against Ipswich, as expected. The Daily Mail is stirring a bit, saying he's in line to replace Guzan outright but I don't buy it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2257332/Shay-Given-earn-Aston-Villa-recall.html

[NeverFeltBetter]

Villa are 1-1, conceded a goal off a short range Ciaran Clark OG.

[tetsujin1979]

Villa are 1-1, conceded a goal off a short range Ciaran Clark OG.
you sure? it was assigned to Chopra by Sky Sports and BBC

[Charlie Darwin]

He deflected Chopra's shot, presumably it was already going in so Chopra's goal.

[tetsujin1979]

ah, fair enough. Might be one for the dubious goals committee

[tricky_colour]

Shay back for the cup game against Ipswich, as expected. The Daily Mail is stirring a bit, saying he's in line to replace Guzan outright but I don't buy it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2257332/Shay-Given-earn-Aston-Villa-recall.html

I would not be too surprised, Villa concede a lot of goals as the article says, something I commented on recently.
It may not be the keepers fault but at the end of the day he is the man between the sticks, worth giving Given a shot in goal.
Probably not being helped by the absence of Dunne.
I count 8 saves by Given in the match report, including crosses cut out.

[tricky_colour]

He deflected Chopra's shot, presumably it was already going in so Chopra's goal.


The BBC have a different take on it!!


The Championship side had snatched the lead when Michael Chopra shot towards goal only for Villa's Eric Lichaj to steer the ball into his own net

My money is on the BBC being correct!!!

[Charlie Darwin]

Fair enough, the BBC are the ones who said it was Clark so they must have corrected it.

[peadar1987]

I would not be too surprised, Villa concede a lot of goals as the article says, something I commented on recently.
It may not be the keepers fault but at the end of the day he is the man between the sticks, worth giving Given a shot in goal.
Probably not being helped by the absence of Dunne.
I count 8 saves by Given in the match report, including crosses cut out.

I'm no expert, but I remember hearing a few years back from some talking head that Given was an excellent shot stopper, but not a particularly brilliant organiser of a defence.

[Charlie Darwin]

I'd have said the opposite. Shay has never been comfortable coming for crosses so he's always ensured his defence is organised enough to snuff out the danger. He's never really conceded many goals from set pieces. I don't think he can be held as responsible for defensive disorganisation outside the box.

[tricky_colour]

I'm no expert, but I remember hearing a few years back from some talking head that Given was an excellent shot stopper, but not a particularly brilliant organiser of a defence.

Yes I had heard similar, he certainly does seem to be the sort of keeper who is always shouting at an d directing defenders.
But the that is not always a good thing, I remember (purposely) giving away a lot of corners as a left back, until the team captain
directed me to bring the player inside instead. Didn't work very well though as the first time I did that it lead to a goal. :)

So perhaps it's best to just let everyone get on with the job as they see it, defenders defend and keepers stop shots.

I think things can go badly wrong when you are ordered to play in a specific way against your better judgement.

[DannyInvincible]

Back page of the Mirror today features a story about an apparent lack of contact between Trap and Given after his hinting of coming out of international retirement.

In what sense? Sounds like standard anti-Trap stirring. Trap expressed pleasure at hearing Given's interest in returning to the fold and stated he would be in contact with him soon to discuss it further. That was less than a week ago.

[Charlie Darwin]

Lambert hails 'world class' Given: http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/soccer/2013/0106/1224328495652.html

[DannyInvincible]

Given starts for Villa tonight in their English League Cup semi-final against Bradford.

[The Fly]

Carl McHugh, from Donegal, just scored to make it 3 -1 to Bradford.

[tricky_colour]

Good result for Bradford - a League 2 side ie old 4th division.

[BonnieShels]

Good result for Bradford - a League 2 side ie old 4th division.

What an odd appendage to your post.

[tricky_colour]

What an odd appendage to your post.

How do you mean odd? NO idea what you mean.

[NeverFeltBetter]

Wells' goal was eerily like the Croatian second during the summer. Given just seemed to flail at the second, might have done better is his arms were up a bit higher. His defence was shocking though.

[BonnieShels]

How do you mean odd? NO idea what you mean.

I mean explaining the equivalency of League 2 to Division Four. It seemed superfluous.

[geysir]

You are are just a young lad.
Maybe in 5 years time it will become totally superfluous.
It doesn't feel quite right to say such and such a club are in Div 2, when in fact they are in Div 4.
It's Blairism spin.

[BonnieShels]

You are are just a young lad.
Maybe in 5 years time it will become totally superfluous.
It doesn't feel quite right to say such and such a club are in Div 2, when in fact they are in Div 4.
It's Blairism spin.

You talking to me?

I just think that we have all accepted the awful nomenclature of British football. I cannot wait for the inevitable use of Elite League as a title.

Elite Championship Divison 1A anyone?

[tricky_colour]

Not a great result for Given though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiM4MRsBoww
Don't think he could have done anything about the goals, The Bradford keeper looked a bit useful though but he had savable shots

[Grafter]

Just watched highlights tonight of the Bradford game on the Beeb. That second goal looked eerily familiar from Given's POV.
There was a phantom thread on here a few months ago to the effect that Given was going blind.... now I wouldn't say that but I wonder could
a trip to his optician for an eyetest be in order?

Gotta love Shay, that's why it hurts seeing him flailing in oblivion at present....

[Charlie Darwin]

I'm not sure how his failure to keep out a bullet header from point blank range indicates he needs his eyes tested.

[gastric]

However, I think we would all agree he is not the great keeper he once was. Age does weary them unfortunately.

[Colbert Report]

It wasn't a phantom thread. Barry Glendenning of the Independent had stated that he had heard that Given was going blind, but the producers removed it from the podcast because they were worried about legal action. I started a thread on here asking if anyone had heard anything about the situation but it was locked immediately, no idea why, I wasn't trying to wind anyone up, just asking an innocent question.

If he was going blind, I can't imagine any manager putting him into a League Cup semi-final match.

[Charlie Darwin]

It wasn't a phantom thread. Barry Glendenning of the Independent had stated that he had heard that Given was going blind, but the producers removed it from the podcast because they were worried about legal action. I started a thread on here asking if anyone had heard anything about the situation but it was locked immediately, no idea why, I wasn't trying to wind anyone up, just asking an innocent question.
Yeah, no idea why.

[Colbert Report]

Yeah, no idea why.

So coming on here and asking if anyone had heard any additional information in regards to a news story reported by a reputable Irish journalist writing for a major newspaper would potentially expose this site to legal action from Shay Given?

[strangeirish]

So coming on here and asking if anyone had heard any additional information in regards to a news story reported by a reputable Irish journalist writing for a major newspaper would potentially expose this site to legal action from Shay Given?
If he sees it....

[Colbert Report]

I don't understand how that can be the case. If I were to come on here and report that a major journalist had said publicly that player XYZ was a homosexual, could that player then sue this site? If so, why? If that was the case, surely Kevin Kilbane could sue this site every one of you guys came on here after and Ireland match and said that we need a new left back?

[Charlie Darwin]

Irish and British libel law is very different to that in North America, but basically yes you can be sued for quoting somebody else who has made a potentially libelous claim. Unlikely though it would be, even a shaky lawsuit with little likelihood of winning would be very expensive to defend as the onus is on the publisher (in this case dahamsta) to prove no wrongdoing. It's not the same as criticising somebody's performance.

[DannyInvincible]

I don't understand how that can be the case. If I were to come on here and report that a major journalist had said publicly that player XYZ was a homosexual, could that player then sue this site? If so, why? If that was the case, surely Kevin Kilbane could sue this site every one of you guys came on here after and Ireland match and said that we need a new left back?

Was Glendenning's comment published in the Independent or where did you come across it?

[DannyInvincible]

Irish and British libel law is very different to that in North America, but basically yes you can be sued for quoting somebody else who has made a potentially libelous claim.

Glendenning didn't make any claim though, according to CR. He was repeating alleged hearsay rather than presenting a statement as fact.

[Charlie Darwin]

Glendenning didn't make any claim though, according to CR. He was repeating alleged hearsay.
Doesn't matter, defamation is defamation.

[Charlie Darwin]

It was always likely Guzan would get his spot back for the weekend but Shay misses out with a hamstring injury nonetheless: http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/soccer/2013/0111/1224328722566.html

[Colbert Report]

Was Glendenning's comment published in the Independent or where did you come across it?

He said it on a podcast. It was deleted from the podcast before being uploaded to iTunes. He then made reference to it on his twitter feed.

[tricky_colour]

I don't think it would be a problem for Shay but it's a fairly fine point of law, I expect clubs test keepers and other players eyesight anyway, similar tests
are to be introduced for referees in 2018.
Expect to see lot retiring in 2017 ;)

[Murfinator]

Not in the squad at all today, possibly in transfer talks?

[Colbert Report]

He's injured.

[Grafter]

Surprisingly Dunphy has given Given both barrels here...
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/worldcup/2013/0114/362749-dunphy-says-shay-should-not-come-back/

[jbyrne]

Surprisingly Dunphy has given Given both barrels here...
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/worldcup/2013/0114/362749-dunphy-says-shay-should-not-come-back/


“I think Given looked overweight and was clearly unfit during the European Championships. I don’t think that’s a forgivable crime. I wouldn’t have him."

ive no doubt that given wasnt fit in the euros. sure he dropped out of the warm up early before Croatia. However, the medical and management staff would have been fully aware of his fitness level and made a decision accordingly. they obviously felt that a non fully fit shay was still our best option. i'm sure givens poor form was dreadfully painful for him yet he didnt shy away. dunphys comments unsurprisingly are a disgrace.

he says that westwood deserves more respect? surely the 125 caps that shay picked up over 16 years deserves a little respect too dunphy?

[DannyInvincible]

Given did look a bit heavier during the Euros and seemed more cumbersome as a result, but the decision to select him was Trap's.

[Murfinator]

Westwood deserves no respect, he's a reserve for his club and has conceded 8 in 3 games this campaign. Respect is earned and he hasn't done anything to deserve it.

[nigel-harps1954]

Westwood deserves no respect, he's a reserve for his club and has conceded 8 in 3 games this campaign. Respect is earned and he hasn't done anything to deserve it.

So, logic states that we should go for an ageing, reserve goalkeeper in an awful Aston Villa team, who no doubt has been poor over the past 12 months, over a younger, keen, enthusiastic goalkeeper being kept out of a mid-table Sunderland team by arguably the form goalkeeper in the league, keeping them mid-table?

Of course, there's always Mark Bunn.