PDA

View Full Version : Shay Given


Pages : 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 [29] 30 31 32 33
TheOneWhoKnocks
16/05/2015, 5:02 PM
It's very unlikely that Given will be first choice by the start of next season anyway, so his being dropped is a formality IMO; just a case of when and not if.

Though, obviously, I'd rather this not be the case.
tricky_colour
16/05/2015, 11:04 PM
Solid display IMO, not much he could have done about the first six.
Stuttgart88
17/05/2015, 9:11 AM
Blameless for the goals, unconvincing under the high ball. Michael Owen called it right, he has always been a keeper who prefers to stay on his line. Forde on the other hand brought in a willingness to claim high balls and generally to very good effect. Neither is perfectly comfortable with ball at feet. Given shades it for me between the two, but Westwood has to come into play soon.

Come June both Forde and Westwood will have been idle for several weeks. That keeps Shay in pole position I'd say.
Crosby87
17/05/2015, 1:58 PM
That's the first time the term "flying monkeys" was ever used on foot.ie. Splendid.
tricky_colour
17/05/2015, 5:50 PM
Blameless for the goals, unconvincing under the high ball. Michael Owen called it right, he has always been a keeper who prefers to stay on his line. Forde on the other hand brought in a willingness to claim high balls and generally to very good effect. Neither is perfectly comfortable with ball at feet. Given shades it for me between the two, but Westwood has to come into play soon.

Come June both Forde and Westwood will have been idle for several weeks. That keeps Shay in pole position I'd say.

Funny you should mention Michael Owen I seem to remember him scoring a similar goal
However my memory is not so good it seems, I seem to remember it being further out.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPC6Yv3BPVY
tricky_colour
17/05/2015, 5:53 PM
On the Villa forum I see the fans saying he will be liability in the cup final, but then of course didn't they get to the final with him?

I just checked and he played every match!!

What a bloody cheek!!!

I have a good mind to create an account and tell them as much, they want Guzen in the final - NO WAY!!!!
zero
24/05/2015, 1:56 PM
rested / dropped for the last game of the league season.

word now is he has a groin injury and might miss the cup final, which makes him at risk for the scotland game perhaps...
nigel-harps1954
24/05/2015, 11:04 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/shay-given-doubt-fa-cup-9321855
seanfhear
25/05/2015, 12:35 AM
I would like Shay to play and for Villa to win the cup.

Erm…… If I was a Villa fan I would want Villa to get a better goalkeeper than Givan or Guzan for next season.
TheOneWhoKnocks
30/05/2015, 3:24 PM
Starts.
tricky_colour
30/05/2015, 3:28 PM
Grealish also starts.

I note the Grealsih thread has gone AWOL unless I am mistaken?

Oh yea it was locked wasn't it?

Are we allowed to talk about him in the final?
tetsujin1979
30/05/2015, 4:30 PM
Grealish also starts.

I note the Grealsih thread has gone AWOL unless I am mistaken?

Oh yea it was locked wasn't it?

Are we allowed to talk about him in the final? no, not until he clarifies his international allegiance
I'm not having another thread turning into a contest of who has the bigger thesaurus
tricky_colour
30/05/2015, 4:45 PM
Great save from the number 31
zero
30/05/2015, 5:12 PM
arsenal ahead. maybe - just maybe - given could have got something on it but it was a powerful drive.
TheOneWhoKnocks
30/05/2015, 5:17 PM
Don't think he could have done much about it.
DeLorean
30/05/2015, 5:18 PM
Well that was one sided. A bad sign when Kieran Richardson is your best player.
DeLorean
30/05/2015, 5:23 PM
arsenal ahead. maybe - just maybe - given could have got something on it but it was a powerful drive.

Don't think so, a rocket that came the blind side of the defender from Given's point of view. It was past him before he could even consider reacting.

Shearer and Keown saying the occasion might be too big for one of the Villa wingers, even though he's got on the ball a bit. How they have managed to ignore the horror show that is N'Zogbia is baffling, has touch the ball about twice and lost it really badly both times. If Agbonlahor is even twenty per cent fit he'd still be a major improvement.
zero
30/05/2015, 5:26 PM
Don't think so, a rocket that came the blind side of the defender from Given's point of view. It was past him before he could even consider reacting.

Shearer and Keown saying the occasion might be too big for one of the Villa wingers, even though he's got on the ball a bit. How they have managed to ignore the horror show that is N'Zogbia is baffling, has touch the ball about twice and lost it really badly both times. If Agbonlahor is even twenty per cent fit he'd still be a major improvement.

didn't even realise n'zogbia was playing for the first 30 mins. i wouldn't blame the occassion, villa just haven't had any ball. they've been much poorer than i expected.
DeLorean
30/05/2015, 5:34 PM
Yeah and Arsenal have been really at it to be fair.
MeathDrog
30/05/2015, 5:51 PM
Stairlift Given is back.
TheOneWhoKnocks
30/05/2015, 6:34 PM
Shay the only Villa player to come out of the game with any credit according to his former Newcastle teammate, Alan Shearer.

IDK about that now. I wouldn't say he's guilt free.
osarusan
30/05/2015, 6:42 PM
Villa weren't at the races at all - never got any attacking platform whatsoever. Given maybe could have done better for Mertesacker's goal - I think the ball coming off the shoulder seemed to confuse him for a vital moment, but he made some good saves anyway.
tetsujin1979
30/05/2015, 7:27 PM
Given definitely not the worst villa player on show. Can't say if another keeper would have done better, but I wouldn't blame the result, and at least three of the goals, on him
Crosby87
30/05/2015, 9:32 PM
Mixed reaction on villa talk.
http://www.villatalk.com/index.php/topic/7930-the-shay-given-thread/page-58
DeLorean
30/05/2015, 10:31 PM
GasGasGas is gas.
OwlsFan
02/06/2015, 12:07 PM
Given definitely not the worst villa player on show. Can't say if another keeper would have done better, but I wouldn't blame the result, and at least three of the goals, on him

Beaten at the near post and from 30 yards from another - the headed goal he was also stuck on his line. Arguably (not being a goal-keeping expert to any degree) some manner of fault for all three.
DeLorean
02/06/2015, 12:16 PM
'You should never be beaten at your near post'...... one of those football clichés which is complete garbage I think. Nothing Given could have done about that one or the thirty yarder for that matter. Swerved all over the place. Benteke can take at least 95% of the blame for Mertesaker's header. I still think Westwood should be our number one though.
TheOneWhoKnocks
02/06/2015, 12:26 PM
The first goal is the one goal he was definitely not at fault for IMO.
OwlsFan
02/06/2015, 12:33 PM
'You should never be beaten at your near post'...... one of those football clichés which is complete garbage I think. Nothing Given could have done about that one or the thirty yarder for that matter. Swerved all over the place. Benteke can take at least 95% of the blame for Mertesaker's header. I still think Westwood should be our number one though.

I think there is some truth in that cliche though - it's all about getting your angles right I think ??

As for the 30 yarder, the fact that it swerved doesn't mean that a keeper with better reactions could not have saved it.

So are you attributing 5% of the blame to Given for the headed goal ? As I said, I think there was an element of blame for all three.

It's not just my preference for Westwood. Given has gone down in my estimation since Poland and I think he was right to retire after that but why he has come back, I am not sure. I just don't have the same confidence I used to have in him which at 39 probably isn't surprising.
jbyrne
02/06/2015, 12:44 PM
Given has gone down in my estimation since Poland and I think he was right to retire after that

to judge him on Poland is unfair. he was clearly injured and didn't even take part in all / part of the Croatia match warm-up for example.

with regards to last Saturdays match most commentators seemed to say that given was the only villa player to turn up when it would be easy to simply apply that to the team as a whole. I only saw the first half but did see a few very good saves from him during various highlights.
Stuttgart88
02/06/2015, 1:04 PM
Beaten at the near post and from 30 yards from another - the headed goal he was also stuck on his line. Arguably (not being a goal-keeping expert to any degree) some manner of fault for all three.

I've been accused of being overly critical of Shay in the past, notably Australia at Thomond and the Poland goal last month. He was also awful in Gdansk, slow and lacking sharpness. I think in each of the FA Cup goals he was blameless though. Here's why:


Goal 1. View obstructed by two defenders, one of whom was covering that gap until the moment Walcott let fly.
Goal 2. Look at his feet. He took a big step right as soon as Sanchez struck it, exactly the right thing to do, moving to meet the ball's line. After he had moved his feet the ball swung to his left. His only fault was not having a longer reach. A big long lank like Cech might just have got a hand to it. Modern balls can make keepers look silly. That's what happened here.
Goal 3: Mertesacker aimed to head the ball to Shay's left. Shay read this and set himself accordingly as most keepers would do. Mertesacker missed it with his head altogether and shouldered it to Shay's right. I think most good keepers would have been fooled the same way.

Btw, I do see myself as a goalkeeping expert :)

I know what it's like!
Charlie Darwin
02/06/2015, 1:24 PM
I'm not sure any goalkeeper would have saved the second. On another day he might have got a lucky hand to the first. The third I thought he might have saved when he was younger and he did look very flat-footed. The fourth was just pitiful defending.
DeLorean
02/06/2015, 1:28 PM
I think there is some truth in that cliche though - it's all about getting your angles right I think ??

There are times when the keeper shouldn't be beaten at his near post, but there are also times when it's acceptable, which makes the cliché inaccurate in it's most common wording. Walcott wasn't at a partilcularly acute angle so he could have just as easily went across the keeper, so Given had to position himself in a way that gave him the best chance of saving both. He did this but the power in the shot was such that he hadn't a chance, possibly even if his view wasn't obstructed.


As for the 30 yarder, the fact that it swerved doesn't mean that a keeper with better reactions could not have saved it.

I think the swerve was too dramatic and happened too close to the goal for him, or any other keeper, to react sufficiently.


So are you attributing 5% of the blame to Given for the headed goal ? As I said, I think there was an element of blame for all three.

Not really, it looked fairly soft but came off Mertesaker's shoulder from fairly close range. The other 5% can be attribute to that element of fortune. :)


It's not just my preference for Westwood. Given has gone down in my estimation since Poland and I think he was right to retire after that but why he has come back, I am not sure. I just don't have the same confidence I used to have in him which at 39 probably isn't surprising.

Westwood is a no brainer for me.
tetsujin1979
02/06/2015, 4:38 PM
There's a post on the football365 forum from someone who claims to have been behind the goal for Sanchez's strike, with more or less the same view as Shay. He said the first he was aware that Sanchez had taken a shot was when the ball hit the crossbar!
Crosby87
03/06/2015, 1:39 AM
It was Stevie Wonder posting though.
geysir
04/06/2015, 8:25 PM
It could be argued that Crosby, on occasions, justifies his presence.
tricky_colour
05/06/2015, 1:36 AM
He shines out like a shaft of gold when all around is dark!! :sentimental:
GypsyBlackCat
08/07/2015, 10:57 AM
Given is on his way to Middlesbrough.
Charlie Darwin
08/07/2015, 4:38 PM
Looks like he's going to be a back-up at Stoke now: http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/shay-given-stoke-city-boro-9615770
OwlsFan
08/07/2015, 5:27 PM
Disappointing that at this stage of his career he is still happy to sit on the bench and collect a decent pay cheque rather than play perhaps for lower wages at 'Boro. Or may be when you're at the end of your career it is time to cash in. I dunno.
DeLorean
09/07/2015, 10:01 AM
Looks like he's going to be a back-up at Stoke now

Do you think he'd still be back-up in the likely scenario that they lose Begovic? There was a lot of noise about Butland at one point, still only 22.
Charlie Darwin
09/07/2015, 12:36 PM
All the talk is that Stoke were going to promote Butland to #1 regardless this season, so selling Begovic when his value is still high makes sense, even if he's probably still a better keeper.
DeLorean
09/07/2015, 1:08 PM
Yeah I'd be thinking along the same lines. Very hard to tell how Butland would perform though so Given might get opportunities, not that I'm too worried about him at this stage of his career. In fact, from an Ireland point of view we might be better off if he's out of sight out of mind. Harsh I accept - sorry Shay, you've been great n all.

Begovic will be a tough act to follow, it would be sad to see him go to Chelsea really reaching his peak. I'm surprised Liverpool aren't breaking the door down for him, or even United with what's likely to happen with De Gea.
Kingdom
09/07/2015, 1:57 PM
Begovic will be a tough act to follow, it would be sad to see him go to Chelsea really reaching his peak. I'm surprised Liverpool aren't breaking the door down for him, or even United with what's likely to happen with De Gea.

When you see begovic going to be a bencher, and Cabaye going to Palace with no real prospects, you'd have to be looking at Rodgers and wondering has the mouse powering the wheel flat-lined.
DeLorean
10/07/2015, 10:33 PM
To Stoke confirmed (http://mobile.stokecityfc.com//news/article/stoke-city-shay-given-2539538.aspx)
TheOneWhoKnocks
14/08/2015, 1:03 PM
Set to retire from Intl. football after this campaign ends.

http://www.98fm.com/Ill-Retire-After-Euro-2016-Shay-Given
Closed Account
14/08/2015, 1:07 PM
Set to retire from Intl. football after this campaign ends.

http://www.98fm.com/Ill-Retire-After-Euro-2016-Shay-Given
Deja Vu
http://www.fai.ie/ireland/news/shay-given-confirms-international-retirement 13/8 2012 (http://www.fai.ie/ireland/news/shay-given-confirms-international-retirement)
DeLorean
15/08/2015, 12:06 AM
Did anybody else think Butland could have done better (i.e. saved) Coutinho's winner the last day? It was actually curling in towards him as opposed to swerving away from him.
TheBoss
15/08/2015, 1:45 AM
Did anybody else think Butland could have done better (i.e. saved) Coutinho's winner the last day? It was actually curling in towards him as opposed to swerving away from him.

Yes, I agree. He was too slow reacting to the shot, a better keeper would have expected it far quicker.
Stuttgart88
26/08/2015, 8:18 AM
Where's Owls Fan this morning?!

Shay got close to one penalty out of 8 in Stoke's 8-7 shoot out win over Luton last night. 8 penalties, none saved, one miss. First two straight down the middle. Radio 5 Live said he got a touch on one, nowhere near the others.

In finance they often joke about how a monkey picking stocks at random often beats the professionals. How is it that Shay, a renowned shot stopper, actually seems to be a near liability in shoot outs?