Shane Ferguson [Archive] - Page 7

tetsujin1979

02/05/2011, 8:22 PM

And that's where he gets shown up in every international he plays.no he's not, see the post above from Supreme Feet

Hence my suggestion re.Shane Ferguson. He might be young, but at least he's playing in the PL. Which KK won't be gracing again....
Ciaran Clark is playing far more regularly than Ferguson, and I still wouldn't play him ahead of Kilbane, given his performance against Uruguay which came 3 days after Kilbane was far better against Macedonia

mark12345

02/05/2011, 9:48 PM

Nothing annoys me more than the ignorant "Kilbane ya donkey" chant from some idiot sitting in front of you at an Ireland game.

I challenge anyone to name a player that has been more committed to the Irish cause over the last 15 years. Whilst he may not have been the most gifted player to play for Ireland over that period, his workrate, dedication and unwillingness to give up surpass any player in that era. I know its just a mere aside, but it highlights the point; next time we play watch how many players sing the national anthem and watch English born KK belts out the lyrics with gusto. No one takes more pride in wearing the green jersey than him. Also by all accounts apparently he is an influential leader in the dressing room.

KK will always be up there with Denis Irwin and Steve Staunton for me as the most consumate professionals who wore the green jersey.

Also is I have heard this rumour do the rounds and was wondering could anyone verify it? KK was called up to England U-15 trials and went along wearing an Ireland jersey. He was promptly sent home. What a man!

Everything you say about Kevin is true, French Toast. And for that matter I would like to see him up there on day as an assistant manager in the Irish team or something of that nature. He clearly is devoted to the cause more than many others who wore the green. I wish him all the best for the future as I'm sure most Irish fans do. But he is just not up to it anymore and it's laziness on the part of the manager that he keeps picking him. I also agree with the poster who said that there is plenty of blame to go around the back four for the goals we concede. But let's start fixing the problems rather than just turning a blind eye every time.

ArdeeBhoy

02/05/2011, 10:03 PM

Ciaran Clark is playing far more regularly than Ferguson, and I still wouldn't play him ahead of Kilbane, given his performance against Uruguay which came 3 days after Kilbane was far better against Macedonia
Yes but he's needed more in the centre. Be it defence or midfield.

One game v.Uruguay proves nothing, though given he regularly plays in the EPL clearly proves he's better than KK who doesn't even play left-back any more, two divisions lower....
Personally I'd go with Ian Harte for the remainder of this campaign, with Ferguson (or one of the other youngsters mentioned) as a longer-term replacement.

Though more important, is Trap's intransigence, hinted by mark above. One guarantee is we won't qualify for any Finals with people of the quality of KK playing international football for Ireland. And yes, we all know the rest of the squad are fallible....

SwanVsDalton

02/05/2011, 10:34 PM

To me there's only one person really putting his hand up to take Killer's place and that's Harte. And surely given his age, time away and previous limitations, we can all understand why he's not a slam dunk (though I would certainly be happy to see him called up).

Thing is way though way people talk about KK, and Trap, it's like we have a half a dozen top class left backs queuing up to play. We don't. Delaney was the solution, then Cunningham, then Clark - now it's Ferguson or whoever. For me it's about the next big game against Macedonia and Kilbane's rightly in line to stay in the team. That could change soon and definitely should change in the medium term, but until then it's worth recognising that KK has not be playing nearly as bad as has been suggested.

French Toasht

03/05/2011, 12:03 AM

I will concede that Zinedine's best performances for us were on the left wing, in fact he was that good, that Brian Kerr used to choose him in that position over Chelsea's Damian Duff at the time, deciding to put Duffer up front with Robbie, in order to accomodate KK in the team. And I do believe that this qualification campaign will be his last as an automatic starter.

But like several posters have stated, we are at a pivotal stage in this qualification campaign and for the next competitive match against Macedonia (the graveyard of Irish football) it's simply not the time for experimentation. I would feel far more at ease having KK in there as opposed to an untested rookie. By all means try out future alternatives to the left back position in the NI and Scotland games and the numerous friendlies we will have at the end of the campaign (hopefully in preparation for the Euros) but not in matches of the importance of Macedonia/Slovakia/Russia.

I have always found KK has been scapegoated for all our failings throughout the years and it genuinely has baffled me that the player that seems to get singled out for criticism more than any other is the player who has given more to the green jersey than any other.

tetsujin1979

03/05/2011, 12:06 AM

Yes but he's needed more in the centre. Be it defence or midfield.I'd play O'Shea in the middle before Clark, remember Dunne + O'Shea was Trapattoni's starting centre half partnership until St Ledger came into the picture

One game v.Uruguay proves nothingIf he can't cut it in a friendly, he doesn't deserve to be given a chance in a competitive game. I think Clark will start at least one of the Carling Cup games, but if he doesn't improve on the showing against Uruguay then he won't play against Macedonia.

though given he regularly plays in the EPL clearly proves he's better than KK who doesn't even play left-back any more, two divisions lower....
Clark isn't playing regularly, he hasn't started a game for Villa in nearly two months, his only appearance since then was when came off the bench in the game against West Brom last Saturday

Personally I'd go with Ian Harte for the remainder of this campaign, with Ferguson (or one of the other youngsters mentioned) as a longer-term replacement.Harte's playing at centre half for Reading. Personally I think Cunningham is the long term replacement at left full.

Though more important, is Trap's intransigence, hinted by mark above.I dealt with Trappatoni's so called intransigence/stubbornness more than 18 months ago: http://foot.ie/threads/124532-Trapattonti-s-lack-of-experimentation

One guarantee is we won't qualify for any Finals with people of the quality of KK playing international football for Ireland. And yes, we all know the rest of the squad are fallible....We have already qualified for a finals with Kilbane in the side:rolleyes:

theworm2345

03/05/2011, 12:29 AM

We have already qualified for a finals with Kilbane in the side:rolleyes:
Not to mention Kilbane's role in Paris, even playing a large role in the goal.

gastric

03/05/2011, 1:03 AM

Kilbane, despite his critics, remains our number one option in this area. The other options remain under the heading of emerging and hopefully are used soon on tour - O' Halloran, Clark, Cunningham and the one I am highlighting as another option - Chris McCann. Another alternative needs to emerge soon as Kilbane is getting older and is playing League One.

ArdeeBhoy

03/05/2011, 1:33 AM

I'd play O'Shea in the middle before Clark, remember Dunne + O'Shea was Trapattoni's starting centre half partnership until St Ledger came into the picture

Except as we all know, O'Shea is even more versatile than Clark, as in he can play anywhere in the back four....
Maybe he could be the compromise?

Harte's playing at centre half for Reading. Personally I think Cunningham is the long term replacement at left full.

He may well have done, but it's mainly been at left-full.

I dealt with Trappatoni's so called intransigence/stubbornness more than 18 months ago: http://foot.ie/threads/124532-Trapattonti-s-lack-of-experimentation

It's hardly news then. But it's irritating it still prevails.
Though take the point Trap is unlikely to make any drastic changes. But it's almost enough to 'hope' one or two people get crocked in the play-offs to force his hand.

We have already qualified for a finals with Kilbane in the side

Like about a decade ago. And Harte was even more clearly the better option then at left-back!!!
:rolleyes:
And am referring, er, to the near future, which I suspect you knew anyway.

Worm, presumably you don't recall, what happened next....

theworm2345

03/05/2011, 2:48 AM

Worm, presumably you don't recall, what happened next....
Try as I may to block it out, I do recall. But to blame Kilbane for that would just be daft. He was ever-present (for better of for worse) throughout that campaign which saw us reach the doorstep of South Africa. It wasn't his poor finishing or his handball (or his man) who slammed that door shut. I don't see how any other left back playing throughout that campaign, Irish or otherwise, would have seen us through either.
Regarding your decade ago comment, you did say any Finals

Charlie Darwin

03/05/2011, 3:05 AM

Try as I may to block it out, I do recall. But to blame Kilbane for that would just be daft. He was ever-present (for better of for worse) throughout that campaign which saw us reach the doorstep of South Africa. It wasn't his poor finishing or his handball (or his man) who slammed that door shut. I don't see how any other left back playing throughout that campaign, Irish or otherwise, would have seen us through either.
Regarding your decade ago comment, you did say any Finals
Gareth Bale would have won us the World Cup.

Stuttgart88

03/05/2011, 3:22 PM

one I am highlighting as another option - Chris McCann. Beacuse he's left footed? I don't see him as anything other than a central midfielder myself, but would be delighted to be wrong.

Delaney should be considered as a stop gap IMHO. Clark looked very vulnerable against Uruguay. Delaney steadied things.

Tets, are you sure Harte is playing CB at Reading? I think he is worth a look in May.

Charlie Darwin

03/05/2011, 3:37 PM

Harte's been playing left back for Reading any time I've seen him. I think he started in the centre and was shifted out wide due to an injury.

gastric

03/05/2011, 11:02 PM

Beacuse he's left footed? I don't see him as anything other than a central midfielder myself, but would be delighted to be wrong.

Delaney should be considered as a stop gap IMHO. Clark looked very vulnerable against Uruguay. Delaney steadied things.

Tets, are you sure Harte is playing CB at Reading? I think he is worth a look in May.

No, because McCann is mobile, tall and strong in a tackle. Please keep in mind that our current no. 1 in this position - Killer is in fact a midfielder!

tetsujin1979

03/05/2011, 11:13 PM

Beacuse he's left footed? I don't see him as anything other than a central midfielder myself, but would be delighted to be wrong.Friend of mine tried t convince me once that Stephen Quinn should be given a chance at left full, simply because he's left footed!

Tets, are you sure Harte is playing CB at Reading? I think he is worth a look in May.
sorry, no, I'm wrong. According to football-lineups.com - http://www.football-lineups.com/footballer/5915/ - it was Carlisle at the start of the season where he was playing at centre half and has only played for Reading at left full

ifk101

04/05/2011, 6:36 AM

Marco Tardelli confirmed last month a number were being monitored while Givens has confirmed talks have taken place with Derry-born Shane Ferguson about the Newcastle teenager, who can play at left back or on the left side of midfield, switching his allegiance from Northern Ireland. The 19-year-old could even get a call-up this afternoon.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0504/1224296001006.html

BonnieShels

04/05/2011, 8:28 AM

Another one so. Would like to see Kenny back in the squad though.

AlaskaFox

04/05/2011, 11:32 AM

Republic of Ireland chief scout Don Givens has also confirmed former United captain and Irish legend Mick Martin had held talks with Ferguson.
Ferguson told the Chronicle: “I cannot really say much about it.

“I am just focusing on my club football at the minute, and whatever happens with internationals is a bonus.
“If I keep doing well for Newcastle, the rest will take care of itself.”

From http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/newcastle-united/nufc-news/2011/05/04/shane-ferguson-cool-on-national-team-future-72703-28632457/#ixzz1LNlxfFGG

Stuttgart88

04/05/2011, 12:52 PM

No, because McCann is mobile, tall and strong in a tackle. Please keep in mind that our current no. 1 in this position - Killer is in fact a midfielder!True, but a wide midfielder's attributes are often more consistent with the requirements of left back than a central midfielder's, imho.

ifk101

04/05/2011, 2:04 PM

Not included in the Celtic Cup squad anyhow.

TrapAPony

04/05/2011, 2:12 PM

Not included in the Celtic Cup squad anyhow.

Wouldn't mind that. Neither was any of our supposed new recruits.

SwanVsDalton

04/05/2011, 2:26 PM

The pattern seems to has b the player to declare his intention publicly before switching to ROI and being named in a squad, so guessing that's what would need to happen with Ferguson. That doesn't necessarily mean the player goes public independent of the FAI, it might just mean the FAI ask the player to go public before they name a squad, possibly to avoid (overly) antagonising the IFA (or another association).

French Toasht

05/05/2011, 9:37 AM

Does anyone know when the NI squad is announced? Can't see him joining up with their squad even if he is selected, given the match thats in it.

DannyInvincible

05/05/2011, 6:53 PM

Some new stories on Ferguson:

http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/newcastle-fullback-ferguson-calm-over-international-tug-war-1613191

Newcastle fullback Shane Ferguson is staying calm over his international future.

The 19-year-old has already been capped by Northern Ireland, but the Republic of Ireland want to take advantage of a FIFA loophole which would allow him to star for Eire.

Ferguson told the Evening Chronicle: �I cannot really say much about it.

�I am just focusing on my club football at the minute, and whatever happens with internationals is a bonus.

�If I keep doing well for Newcastle, the rest will take care of itself.�

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/sport/football/ferguson_plays_down_republic_talk_1_2649486

Playing things down is one way of looking at it...

Not sure if they offer much in the way of an update really, mind. Although, they both ignorantly refer to FIFA's article 15 as a "loophole". Annoying and inexplicable.

DannyInvincible

06/05/2011, 8:31 PM

Ferguson looks set the get some more first-team action in Newcastle's final three games: http://www.shieldsgazette.com/sport/door_ajar_for_fergie_and_nile_pardew_1_3355048

NILE Ranger and Shane Ferguson have been put on standby for Newcastle United’s final three games.

The pair, according to manager Alan Pardew, are that much closer to first-team action after a spate of injuries.

And striker Ranger and defender Ferguson, 19, have been challenged by Pardew to use any opportunity they get in the club’s last three games as a springboard for next season.

DannyInvincible

09/05/2011, 7:12 PM

Does anyone know when the NI squad is announced? Can't see him joining up with their squad even if he is selected, given the match thats in it.

It'll be announced on the 17th of May, according to a poster on OWC who read it in the Sunday Life.

tommy_c12000

15/05/2011, 11:58 AM

Starts today V Chelsea

tommy_c12000

15/05/2011, 2:07 PM

Taken off in the 2nd half due to injury. Didn't see it. Just going through BBC text commentary he seems to have had a good game with Ivanovic picking up a yellow in the 2nd half after hauling down "the speedy Ferguson"

MeathDrog

15/05/2011, 2:14 PM

Played very well. Injuryy didn't look too serious and I think Pardew was going to take him off anyway.

Exciting prospect if he was secure his services for ROI.

DannyInvincible

17/05/2011, 1:30 AM

The NI squad for the upcoming Carling Nations Cup game with us is set to be announced at 10:15 in the morning, but it appears that Ferguson won't feature from what I've been hearing. Apparently, he's concentrating on his club at the minute and will make a decision on his international future at a later stage.

Stuttgart88

17/05/2011, 6:44 AM

The Guardian gave him Man of the Match for his performance against Chelsea, saying that his pace troubled Ivanovic and that he hinted at an immense future.

drummerboy

17/05/2011, 7:45 AM

Ferguson won't be in the NI panel that is to be announced today. Will know more in about 2 weeks.

DannyInvincible

17/05/2011, 8:04 AM

What happens in two weeks? :D

DannyInvincible

17/05/2011, 12:05 PM

Someone under the alias 'DubBhoy' on OWC claiming that "Ferguson is planning on sitting out a few squads and then declaring for ROI in the new year". That anyone on here?

ifk101

17/05/2011, 12:09 PM

It looks like Shane Ferguson just wants to concentrate on establishing himself at club level. Probably when he comes back from his summer holidays in Liege, Belgium he'll make his international intentions known.

tetsujin1979

17/05/2011, 2:48 PM

Mark McIntosh (journalist from Lisburn) tweeted this earlier: https://twitter.com/#!/markjmcintosh/statuses/70498631765073921

Shane Ferguson blanks NI call-up. 2 weeks of calls and texts ignored. After Daniel Devine, I fear another one bites the dust. #gawa (https://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23gawa)

SwanVsDalton

17/05/2011, 2:58 PM

One for a Daniel Devine thread, but McIntosh also confirmed the Belfast centre back is declaring after underlining Ferguson's actions:

@thegawa Nigel has sent texts and left voicemails in past two weeks but hasn't heard back from him. Poor form. Devine received call-up but informed IFA last week of his intention to play for ROI

ifk101

17/05/2011, 3:26 PM

"I've left voicemails, text messages and made random calls to Shane (Ferguson) but at no time did we get a reply." Nigel Worthlesston.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13424369.stm

Not Brazil

17/05/2011, 3:38 PM

More "cutting edge" eligibility reporting from the Belfast Telegraph, I see.

"Fifa rules include a clause allowing players to change nationality once before they play a senior competitive match if they were born "on the territory of the relevant association".

The Good Friday Agreement of 1998 provided for Northern Ireland-born people to claim either British or Irish nationality."

That really does journalism a disservice - it's patently obvious they simply don't have a clue.

:bulgy:

Sullivinho

17/05/2011, 3:46 PM

"I've left voicemails, text messages and made random calls to Shane (Ferguson) but at no time did we get a reply." Nigel Worthlesston.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13424369.stm

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cornflakes

17/05/2011, 3:47 PM

"I've left voicemails, text messages and made random calls to Shane (Ferguson) but at no time did we get a reply." Nigel Worthlesston.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13424369.stm

A disappointed Worthington wants further clarification on the eligibility ruling.

"It needs to be more black and white - to put all the indecision to bed once and for all," he said

Is he being serious?

SwanVsDalton

17/05/2011, 3:57 PM

In fairness I can sympathise. Ferguson could pick up the phone at least and tell him what's going on, even though it seems obvious at this point. I'd feel it was poor form if it was an ROI player ignoring Trap - not that he'd ever call anyone ;).

Not Brazil

17/05/2011, 4:01 PM

Is he being serious?

A disappointed Worthington wants further clarification on the eligibility ruling.

"It needs to be more black and white - to put all the indecision to bed once and for all," he said.

Was the CAS ruling published in pink with yellow dots, or something?

My copy is in black and white.

awec

17/05/2011, 4:03 PM

Worthington is inept. The man actually drives me nuts.

You guys have got yourselves a very good player and our manager didn't exactly do much to encourage him to stay.

BonnieShels

17/05/2011, 4:28 PM

"I've left voicemails, text messages and made random calls to Shane (Ferguson) but at no time did we get a reply." Nigel Worthlesston.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13424369.stm

Random calls?

Was he calling at different times of the day in the hope that wee Shane would pick up?

The FAI could only aspire to this sort of ineptitude