QuoteThis must be the run you were talking about :
Played a bit of gaelic football too I hear.
Young Derry footballer, Although he has played at all levels for Northern Ireland he still hasnt played in competitive game for the north. Defo a star off the future, great feet, huge potential and apparently he would love to play for the Republic. Was on Newcastle team yesterday, made a great run, took on few players.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shane_Ferguson
This must be the run you were talking about :
Played a bit of gaelic football too I hear.
"We lost because we didn't win"- Ronaldo
You got it, mind you I see that one of the lads he skins is Wilson.
What do you mean by "apparently he would love to play for the Republic"? Where did you read this? According to that wikipedia link he played a match for the Northern Ireland senior team back in 2009, although it doesn't say if it was a competitive match or not.
He hasnt played competitive football for the North at senior level, trust me. This lad is similar to Duffy, he is a Derry City boy,think he comes from Limavady, wants to play for the Republic, he has supported the Republic all his life, Dont know the lad personally but I have talked to people who do have really good idea of his intentions. He isnt just going to declare for the Republic if he destroys he chance of playing international football.
Last edited by cestlavie; 20/03/2011 at 11:08 PM. Reason: additional info
That was the game alrite, I Suppose we have to be realistic, we cant have everybody and we can only pick so many players at any one time but he will defo be one too look out for in the future, p[erhaps he will get senior game for the North and that will put a end to it, who knows.
I really don't understand how someone who supported the Republic all his life would go as far as playing a full senior international for a team which would be his second choice from the sounds of things. I think the FAI should at the very least agree to not pick players who have a non-competitive full cap for Northern Ireland. This refers more to the Adam Barton situation I suppose since Shane Ferguson hasn't actually switched, but I think it would be a bit ridiculous if he does eventually decide to make the switch.Originally Posted by cestlavie
I agree with you, Paddy McCourt would have loved to play for the Republic but at the end of the day,he got a senior call up for the North, didnt hurt his career.
http://foot.ie/threads/139829
previous discussion, including the inevitable "debate" with the NI posters.
totally agree with the bit in bold.
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
On the other hand we need talented players so as long as we abide by the FIFA laws perhaps we shouldn't impose further limitations. No one seemed to care when Duffy switched and he had been called up for the NI senior team and played for the U21s IIRC. That said, a senior cap should tie you to that association imo.
Last edited by boovidge; 21/03/2011 at 12:27 AM.
If he has always wanted to play for the Republic then more fools the IFA for wasting their time with him.
If it were me I'd have told him to sling his hook long ago and he wouldn't have got anywhere near our underage squads.
I've also heard he'd be very willing to play for us if we were interested in him. Has he been in the Northern Ireland squad since playing in the Italy friendly?
Come on, plenty of precedents. NI, RoI, Wales and even Scotland have had many players who were English, and presumably supported England. Some of whom have made this fairly obvious in their later media careers
Given that he a) doesn't seem to have said this in public, and b) has always turned up for our teams when picked, you can see why others might give him the benefit of doubt?
Don't think he has been in the full squad.
Who knows. He may be weighing up c) the high likelihood of playing for the NI side in Euro 12 qualifiers against d) the RoI's U-21 team, realistically, for the foreseeable future.
Last edited by Gather round; 21/03/2011 at 8:20 AM.
The FAI are not unaware of Shane Ferguson. They have known about him for quite a while now.
Always look on the bright side of life
I think given the fuss that was made in certain quarters, they're more likely to adhere to the C.A.S. ruling, which applies equally to all. In the context of competitive games or is it all really so confusing?
Or perhaps someone would like to put a negative spin on this, yet again??
The rule as it stands is fair enough. A competitive cap is the serious cap. There are plenty of dual nationals around europe who would be barred (under the old rule) from playing for their second country because of some friendly senior cap they received before being discarded. The rule is there to give those players a chance of playing international football. The rule is not there to disadvantage the country who caps the player in a senior friendly.
As for us and them, according to CAS hearing, the FAI were willing to reach a compromise with the IFA on the eligibility of playing assets. The 2 associations were given permission by FIFA to workout the terms of the cooperation similar to one the 4 UK associations have. The agenda of such an agreement was left up to the 2 associations. As we now know, the IFA refused all cooperation, preferring to argue that the existing rules supported their case.
Perhaps something can be worked out in the future. The first step is the IFA need to understand and accept the rules as they stand now. Something tells me they still haven't a clue.
I think given the past, current and likely future fuss, the FAI are actually a bit less likely to pick players who've already played for the full NI side. Simply because every time it happens, there's likely to be a sh*t-storm in the NI media. That probably isn't an issue for someone like Adam Barton, who's never lived in Ireland and probably won't during his playing career. But it might be for a kid from Limavady or wherever.
In other words, FIFA's rules allow the FAI to pick such players. But that doesn't necessarily mean that they will.
No, it's not confusing. It just involves a few more factors than the one you suggest.In the context of competitive games or is it all really so confusing? Or perhaps someone would like to put a negative spin on this, yet again??
Indeed. Specifically, it was introduced after a lobby of French-speaking countries in West Africa who wanted to pick dual-qualified guys living in France who'd already played youth representative football there.
Of course whatever the rule's global intent, its local effect is to disadvantage NI (as many of our fans, media etc. see it). Which is largely why the sh*t-storm persists. They're hoping that the FAI will either just stop picking the players, or reach some local agreement.
Agreed.Perhaps something can be worked out in the future. The first step is the IFA need to understand and accept the rules as they stand now
Last edited by Gather round; 21/03/2011 at 10:33 AM.
The guy is barely out of nappies and we're fighting about him already. Showed some lovely touches though I have to say.
You gotta love Wikipedia (probably changed by now I expect):
"Shane is waiting for a call up from Republic of Ireland U-21 manager Noel King."
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
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