Jack Grealish

[Stuttgart88]

Exactly. Everyone knows Tim Howard will be in nets.

[greendeiseboy]

Exactly. Everyone knows Tim Howard will be in nets.

Hilarious

[DeLorean]

On the bench against Tottenham.

[Stuttgart88]

Call him up Roy (but which one?).

[tricky_colour]

Call him up Roy (but which one?).


Roy or Woy?

[Metrostars]

Exactly. Everyone knows Tim Howard will be in nets.
Actually Howard has taken off a year for playing for the US so Guzan is the US #1 for the next year at least.

[paul_oshea]

Ya I didnt want to spoil stutts brilliant joke..... but I thought that was common knowledge

[DannyInvincible]

I thought that was the joke?...

[tetsujin1979]

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/16196884/images/1315266519347.jpg

[BonnieShels]

Ya I didnt want to spoil stutts brilliant joke..... but I thought that was common knowledge

But that's your role here.

If you don't profess your knowledge how can we honestly bow down at your feet?

[DannyInvincible]

Has been mentioned in the under-21s thread already, but Grealish opted out of inclusion in the under-21 squad yesterday for the upcoming friendly games against the US and Russia to focus on his Villa career, according to his father/Noel King: http://www.joe.ie/football/no-jack-grealish-in-the-ireland-under-21-squad-but-two-league-of-ireland-players-are-included/474239


King spoke to the player’s father ahead of naming his squad and explained why the Aston Villa youngster has been left out.

"I spoke to Jack's dad. He feels he wants to concentrate on his Aston Villa career. That's his choice and I accept it so I’ll be focusing on working with the players we have with us. We have a lot of work to do,"

[DeLorean]

Why does he need to focus on his club career, any more than any other player trying to make it at their club? Fair enough, maybe, before the contract was signed.

[paul_oshea]

a career that isnt doing much anyway

[Stuttgart88]

It's clear to me. He's holding out for a call up for the USA game.

[tetsujin1979]

going by his latest post on twitter, he's holding out for a move to Chelsea

[paul_oshea]

One thing we can be sure of, is he is pretty clear and definite on wanting to play for Ireland and he is ours to lose.

[DeLorean]

"Kings of Europe: The Chelsea Story on sky sports 1 now! One of the most inspirational programmes I've ever watched! Must watch" (https://twitter.com/JackGrealish1/status/530118125753495552)

I haven't seen the programme I don't think, but Chelsea's recent success must be the least inspiring story in the history of sport, and possibly in the history of the world.

[DannyInvincible]

The universe, I would say.

[Stuttgart88]

One thing we can be sure of, is he is pretty clear and definite on wanting to play for Ireland and he is ours to lose.
No, he has never been clear and definite. Please drop the factious tone. You may not like some of the posters here but I'm getting tired of silly digs when not necessary. You're actually one of only a handful here who were quick to draw conclusions in either direction.

[DeLorean]

It's clear to me. He's holding out for a call up for the USA game.

Holding out in hope or safe in the knowledge that it is going to happen?

[Olé Olé]

Holding out in hope or safe in the knowledge that it is going to happen?

Again, there's oh so many variables in play here and it's proving tougher to read the mind of Jack and his current international status.

Is he pulling out because he couldn't be arsed with: (A) playing for Ireland under 21's (B) playing for Ireland under 21's in a friendly (C) playing for Ireland

Or.. is he pulling out because MON has him lined up to come into the squad for USA friendly or he hopes to come in for the USA friendly, but hasn't been assured of this by MON?

It's getting stranger. I wish someone would clarify something.

[Stuttgart88]

Holding out in hope or safe in the knowledge that it is going to happen?neither really, I meant it as a joke. Of course if he is called up I'll be first to tell you all that I read the situation perfectly.

[DannyInvincible]

Or.. is he pulling out because MON has him lined up to come into the squad for USA friendly or he hopes to come in for the USA friendly, but hasn't been assured of this by MON?

The idea of lads temporarily turning down under-age call-ups to focus on their club careers before later playing for the concerned association's senior team (or their under-age sides again) isn't unprecedented. Ryan McLaughlin and Rory Donnelly have done it with NI. I'm sure other young footballers have done it around the world.

If Martin does plan on bringing him in for the US, why is it being "stage-managed"? Why not just announce now that he'll be in the squad after Scotland? Would it be to avoid a media hoo-ha ensuing over why he's not making himseld available (to be cap-tied) for the Scotland squad too? Then again, the present mystery of the situation stirs plenty of doubtful talk anyway, so it's not as if either option is going to nip media talk in the bud.

All very puzzling indeed. Where's Fallon when you need him?!

[paul_oshea]

No, he has never been clear and definite. Please drop the factious tone. You may not like some of the posters here but I'm getting tired of silly digs when not necessary. You're actually one of only a handful here who were quick to draw conclusions in either direction.

Who said I dont like posters here? Stop trying to read my mind. I am just writing the opposite of what others said and are saying. Nothing wrong with that.

[Charlie Darwin]

Who said I dont like posters here? Stop trying to read my mind. I am just writing the opposite of what others said and are saying. Nothing wrong with that.
So you're criticising people for reading your exact words and assuming they might be actually what you think? That's annoyingly and pointlessly obtuse, even by your standards.

[paul_oshea]

No I'm not, I never anywhere said I didn't like posters on this forum. Just because I dont agree with someone doesn't mean I don't like them. I hope you arent so fickle or sensitive in your daily life when getting into disagreements/difference of opinions with people. And stop adding 2 and 2 and getting 6.

[geysir]

So you're criticising people for reading your exact words and assuming they might be actually what you think? That's annoyingly and pointlessly obtuse, even by your standards.I think Stutts understood the tone of the post, that's why he described it as facetious.

[Charlie Darwin]

You made it sound like you're just writing the opposite of what people were saying for the sake of it.

[paul_oshea]

Oh sorry CD, I was speaking literally, my intention wasn't that I am just writing it for the sake of it.

[tetsujin1979]

Paul, you know as much as anyone else on the forum on this topic, stop trying to convince us otherwise

attack the post, not the poster geysir.

[paul_oshea]

<MOD EDIT>quote removed

Ya Tets, sorry I am not saying I know more, the more we learn the less we understand it appears on the Jack Grealish affair.

[the doc]

The idea of lads temporarily turning down under-age call-ups to focus on their club careers before later playing for the concerned association's senior team (or their under-age sides again) isn't unprecedented. Ryan McLaughlin and Rory Donnelly have done it with NI. I'm sure other young footballers have done it around the world.

If Martin does plan on bringing him in for the US, why is it being "stage-managed"? Why not just announce now that he'll be in the squad after Scotland? Would it be to avoid a media hoo-ha ensuing over why he's not making himseld available (to be cap-tied) for the Scotland squad too? Then again, the present mystery of the situation stirs plenty of doubtful talk anyway, so it's not as if either option is going to nip media talk in the bud.

All very puzzling indeed. Where's Fallon when you need him?!

MON couldn't pick his own nose these days
As for JG and Da, let them enjoy their 15 mins of fame.
I actually know the outcome of all this but Herr Tetsa won't allow it!

[DannyInvincible]

MON couldn't pick his own nose these days
As for JG and Da, let them enjoy their 15 mins of fame.
I actually know the outcome of all this but Herr Tetsa won't allow it!

Haha, how do you know the outcome? Is it verifiable? I'm sure you're more than welcome to post potentially-contentious claims so long as they're substantiated.

[tetsujin1979]

Thread locked, I'm done trying to decided who's right/wrong in every new post here

I'll unlock it if/when Grealish's future is decided
any mention of him on any other thread, other than "played/scored/booked/sent off for Villa" and you can have some time off to think about what you've done

[tetsujin1979]

Lot of discussion on Grealish on other threads, so I'm unlocking this.

warning - if I feel the discussion descends to previous levels of ridicule, I'll lock it again

[CraftyToePoke]

His future given the back page and most of the inside page in the ipaper today, about how England must do everything to get him on board.

[Charlie Darwin]

If they keep this pressure if it'll be very difficult for him not to switch to England.

[Stuttgart88]

Yep I agree. We really need to qualify for these Euros!

The sooner this saga is resolved once and for all the better.

[DeLorean]

Jack's Dad on Newstalk this morning...basically said the following......its completely up to Jack, big decision for him to make, maybe in the upcoming friendly he can play 45 mins for Ireland and 45 mins for England (that part said in Jest of course)

Tim Sherwood interviewed on radio earlier.....Big decision for Jack, said he hadnt spoken with him over it but if asked he would tell Jack to go with his heart ( which is the correct thing to do)

He seems an emotional sort anyway so I would be surprised if he didn't go with his heart. Unfortunately, that's that necessarily us though, regardless of whether or not he has sang along to some ballads.

I'm don't have as much faith as Danny in the comments he made at the FAI awards to be honest, he was just in a place in time where he needed to mumble out something that wouldn't rock the boat. There was nothing emphatic about the delivery, even if the words themselves seem conclusive.

The truth is I have no idea what his motives or feelings are on the matter, none of us do. As a player we currently have (kind of!) it is obviously worrying that we may lose him. Hopefully the guy who wrote that piece for The Examiner knows even more than the article suggests, because I don't think there was anything overly reassuring in it.

[TrapAPony]

Yep I agree. We really need to qualify for these Euros!

The sooner this saga is resolved once and for all the better.

Absolutely. Lads like Grealish I'm sure like to be going to tournaments not staying at home watching them.

However, I never knew that 3 out of his 4 grandparents are actually Irish born and bred from Kerry, Galway and Dublin. If he feels English after that then let him off.

[DeLorean]

Absolutely. Lads like Grealish I'm sure like to be going to tournaments not staying at home watching them.

Jack likes watching them too, supporting us but wanting England to win. :p

[Olé Olé]

Excellent Article: http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/soccer/loyal-grealish-staying-in-the-green-zone-325159.html

I'm completely perplexed about Grealish's background.


Some sources state his father was born in Dublin. This article states he's actually English-born: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/jack-grealish-surely-the-fa-will-belatedly-try-to-snap-him-up-after-his-wembley-heroics-10190769.html#
The Examiner article above states that his mother has brothers who live on Pearse Street in Dublin.
That Independent.co.uk article also states that his great-grandfather has a cap for England- Billy Garratty.
We have seen his paternal grandmother is from Sneem- Margaret Grealish. She was mentioned by Tony O'Donoghue at the FAI awards.
That Independent.co.uk article states he has "a set" of Irish grandparents. How many is a set? 2? Well, if his great-grandfather was English, we can assume that the grandparent born to Garratty was English also. And that has to have been on the maternal side because his paternal grandfather was named Grealish and his grandmother is from Kerry. But, what of the uncles living on Pearse Street?

[TrapAPony]

His father and mother were born in England. His father's parents are from Kerry and Galway & his mother's father is from Dublin. Jack has 3/4 grandparents that are Irish. Kevin Grealish said it on TALKSPORT this morning. Can be heard here :

http://talksport.com/football/exclusive-jack-grealish-faces-tough-decision-about-england-future-claims-father

[Olé Olé]

His father and mother were born in England. His father's parents are from Kerry and Galway & his mother's father is from Dublin. Jack has 3/4 grandparents that are Irish. Kevin Grealish said it on TALKSPORT this morning. Can be heard here :

http://talksport.com/football/exclusive-jack-grealish-faces-tough-decision-about-england-future-claims-father

Thanks for clearing that up. So I would assume that his mother's father married the daughter of Billy Garratty. Other than that, the rest are Irish. Hard to tell whether the Examiner's assertion that his mother's brothers are living on Pearse Street is correct but was hardly made up. They may have moved back.

Pretty steeped in Irishness, regardless. It's odd that his father appears to be quite flippant about the situation when making that joke about 45mins for each, given that he was born to two Irish parents.

[Bungle]

Thanks for clearing that up. So I would assume that his mother's father married the daughter of Billy Garratty. Other than that, the rest are Irish. Hard to tell whether the Examiner's assertion that his mother's brothers are living on Pearse Street is correct but was hardly made up. They may have moved back.

Pretty steeped in Irishness, regardless. It's odd that his father appears to be quite flippant about the situation when making that joke about 45mins for each, given that he was born to two Irish parents.

To be fair, Jack may feel very undecided about who he wants to play for. His dad may understand that and is trying to make a joke of it rather than nailing his colours to the mast. Hopefully, he ends up playing for us. He's certainly a player.

[shakermaker1982]

I didn't see the game on Sunday but everybody seems to be raving about him.

I did see him last season at County and he looked a player then. The only way of finding out if he wants to play for us is calling him up for the games in June!

I did read MO'N comments about him not being ready for the Scotland game but I'd argue that bossing a semi final at Wembley is a bigger occasion than a qualifier vs Scotland. If he can cope with Wembley he can cope with anything.

I do really hope the lad stays with us. Hopefully he appreciates the fact that the current management set up have been patient with him and gave him a bit of breathing space when he needed it. He'd have been hounded to death by the press over here and branded a traitor to St George if England had called him up and he said he wanted to concentrate on club football.

[Stuttgart88]

Sam Wallace, in an otherwise fair article in the Indy, pointed to his Irish grandparents' parents being English, and every other bit of his family being English. He overlooked the clearly Irish upbringing the lad had with his GAA heritage etc.

[Olé Olé]

His father and mother were born in England. His father's parents are from Kerry and Galway & his mother's father is from Dublin. Jack has 3/4 grandparents that are Irish. Kevin Grealish said it on TALKSPORT this morning. Can be heard here :

http://talksport.com/football/exclusive-jack-grealish-faces-tough-decision-about-england-future-claims-father

Had a listen to that there. The father didn't really get drawn on the matter really. His wording is also very ambiguous and the main thing is he states it's up to Jack. His nervous laugh after 'the half each' comment does indeed suggest it was a nervous joke to relieve a little bit of tension.

[DannyInvincible]

Sam Wallace, in an otherwise fair article in the Indy, pointed to his Irish grandparents' parents being English, and every other bit of his family being English. He overlooked the clearly Irish upbringing the lad had with his GAA heritage etc.

The parents of Jack's Irish grandparents (the ones from Kerry and Galway?) are English?

[TrapAPony]

Basically Sam hasn't a clue what he's talking about.