Jack Grealish

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

I'm in two minds whether he should be called up for the U.S.A. game tbh. He should only be called up when he's ready to come to a decision and play in competitive games imo. We have only one friendly before the Poland match. We need to consider players who are realistic options for that game, and for several reasons, Jack is not one of them.

[Stuttgart88]

I agree. Mark Noble and Richard Keogh should be given a run out :)

[Paddy Garcia]

can someone scan the sunday times interview. cant get sunday times where i live

I've got a copy and can't find anything - also searched on-line and no articles related to Jack in the Sunday Times today!

[Charlie Darwin]

I've got a copy and can't find anything - also searched on-line and no articles related to Jack in the Sunday Times today!
There's a small little bit inset in an interview with McGeady. It basically just says what the Sindo report says - there's only the one small quote from Jack's dad.

[DannyInvincible]

I'm in two minds whether he should be called up for the U.S.A. game tbh. He should only be called up when he's ready to come to a decision and play in competitive games imo.

Who says he isn't open to playing competitive games for us?

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Who says he isn't open to playing competitive games for us?

His dad?

He isn't being considered for selection for the game which would tie him, Scotland (a). He's put himself up for consideration for the U.S.A. game.

[DannyInvincible]

The implication is that he'll play competitive international football when he's ready. That'll be when his selection won't be a cynical one. The stated reason for missing Scotland is because he won't be ready to play at that level, which is probably fair enough. That he might be reluctant to play against Scotland for fear of getting cap-tied is purely your own interpretation.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

He thinks he's ready to play Premier League football but he doesn't think he's ready to play International football? Who turns down an International football because they aren't ready? Brian Lenihan accepted a call up several weeks after uprooting himself to Hull.

It's not up to the player to decide if he's ready for International football or not. It's up to the manager.

Yes, my interpretation is what it is. More fool me.

I don't even understand your first reply. He is open to playing competitive games for Ireland and England. That's the point. There is a difference between being open to something and being committed to something.

[SwanVsDalton]

I don't buy there being silly buggers from Grealish's end if he is willing to be called up for a friendly. He's given every indication that this is a big decision and he understands the implications of his actions (and the media blowback they will cause). To play in a friendly and then switch would be ridiculously counter productive.

There's nothing explicit in his father's words about him not playing competitively. Just an acknowledgement that he wouldn't be considered for a competitive squad.

Given that we know O'Neill hasn't been slow to contact the family, it strikes me as more likely he's told them as much and perhaps said he'd like to take a look at Grealish in the US game.

[DannyInvincible]

He is open to playing competitive games for Ireland and England.

It'd be hard to turn his back on us now. All the talk seems to be strongly in our favour. This is what his da said when asked if the Scotland game would come too soon: "Yeah definitely, he hasn't even played a full game in a Premier League. As Roy Keane said, let him play in the Premier League first and see what he is made of."

Of course, you could say (and I'm sure you will :p ) that waiting until he's proven himself at Premier League level will give him enough time to ascertain England's true interest, but the phrasing indicates that he'll be happy to play competitively for us once he's "first" proven himself a bit more. Something always comes second to first. In the above context, that something will be playing for our senior team (if he can prove himself worthy and capable). This sort of thing is not unprecedented; didn't Ryan McLaughlin do the same with NI recently, where he wanted to focus on establishing himself, or at least on trying to establish himself, at club level before entertaining thoughts of international football?

Jack himself retweeted the following piece earlier: http://betting.boylesports.com/football/fussin-boots-good-jack-grealish


As pointed out earlier, he has yet to start a Premier League game for Villa but there is a sense that Lambert and Keane are making sure expectations surrounding the boy are checked. The FAI and Martin O’Neill, too, have made sure that when dealing with him it is very much with kid gloves. Much like a guy who has just met the girl of his dreams, they have undertook a ‘play it cool’ approach rather than issuing marriage ultimatums.

The English FA are reportedly making huge efforts to persuade him to turn out for the country of his birth but having represented Ireland since U-14 level and hugely proud of his Irish roots, there is the growing feeling that he will stay where he is.

[DannyInvincible]

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What will you stoop to next to try and discredit the young lad and his family?

[Charlie Darwin]

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Be very careful about making unsubstantiated accusations about named individuals on here, considering it could cost the person who hosts the site a lot of money.

In fact, considering you've already said you're "done" with this place, perhaps your post can be deleted and you can fulfil your wish to stay away for good.

[gastric]

Doc, really not on, particularly as you are relying on a unsubstantiated source. You were funny when you hung it on us in relation to SSL, but this is just bitterness and crass. Cop on to yourself!

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

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FFS...

[tetsujin1979]

Feck me lads! It's Friday night go out on the Black Pop.

JG has been given an ultimatum, put up or shut up, so expect him to be called into the next senior squad but should he withdraw its curtains for him with us.

I also think someone should have a quiet word with his star struck father and tell him to shut the feck up! been a bit busy this weekend, only getting to this now. No proof provided for allegation of an ultimatum from management, infraction awarded, original post deleted

To reiterate the rules, any allegations must be backed up with evidence, ie published article, interview or video, within 24 hours or an infraction will be awarded

[tetsujin1979]

doc, seriously, are you trying to get suspended?
24 hours to provide proof of this, otherwise it's another infraction, and an automatic suspension after your other two, and no "my mate said it" is not acceptable

Be thankful it's not 12 hours

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If you cannot edit the post, let me know and I'll remove it with your permission

[BonnieShels]

Not to backseat mod but that up there is unacceptable.

This is foot.ie not boards or ybig.

[Deckydee]

Not to backseat mod but that up there is unacceptable.

This is foot.ie not boards or ybig.
Excatly. When we allow posts like that ,we drag ourselves down to the YBIG forum level

[Dunners]

Regarding the post by the DIC (sorry the Doc)

Jayjus lads I thought I logged onto the Tarten Army forum, this is the kind of Bitterness they reserved for McGeady and McCarthy back in the day

[the doc]

Point taken Tetsa, but it's getting like the Emperors new clothes on here!

Blind leading the blind.

[Razors left peg]

If we do manage to hang onto Grealish there should be a pat on the back for everyone in the FAI who has been involved. They seem to be handling the situation exceptionally well, as was done with McGeady and McCarthy in similar situations

[tricky_colour]

Yes, we all know now so you might as well deleted it.

I will pretend it never happened.

[Razors left peg]

Point taken Tetsa, but it's getting like the Emperors new clothes on here!

Blind leading the blind.

We dont have a huge amount of genuinely exciting talents coming through the youth ranks at the moment so what is the harm in hoping that Grealish plays for us?

I actually cant remember the last time that you had anything good to say about anyone

[gastric]

Latest rumour on Grealish. A loan move to Forest would make sense as it is a step up from his experience at Notts County and would give him regular game time. I suppose it all depends on how Lambert views his ability to progress.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-jack-grealish-4471568

[SwanVsDalton]

I actually cant remember the last time that you had anything good to say about anyone

He's never said anything good about anyone except Sean St Ledger and Gio Trapattoni.

[Philly]

Think it got missed on this thread. Jack retweeted this Sunday evening:

@CianByName on Why Ireland Fans need to be patient with boy genius @JackGrealish1 http://betting.boylesports.com/football/fussin-boots-good-jack-grealish … … #coybig

Link to article: http://betting.boylesports.com/football/fussin-boots-good-jack-grealish

Seems a balanced blog piece that says he has great potential and needs time and space.

[samhaydenjr]

Latest rumour on Grealish. A loan move to Forest would make sense as it is a step up from his experience at Notts County and would give him regular game time. I suppose it all depends on how Lambert views his ability to progress.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfers-jack-grealish-4471568

A minor disappointment if it happens as it indicates he's probably not quite ready for the Premier League as yet and I guess I would concede that it would become unlikely that he would figure in this season's qualifiers (unless he really takes the Championship by storm). Still, a run-out against the US might be of some use (if the earlier article is accurate) along with a couple of friendly appearances next summer with an eye to the last four Euro 2016 games.

[DeLorean]

Gareth Bale almost moved to Forest when he was Grealish's age, but decided to stay at Tottenham and fight for his place. He hasn't turned out too bad. :)

[tetsujin1979]

Gareth Bale almost moved to Forest when he was Grealish's age, but decided to stay at Tottenham and fight for his place. He hasn't turned out too bad. :)
was it when he stayed at Spurs? They had an injury crisis, so Redknapp played him on the left instead of selling him, and went on to claim he made Bale's career!

[DeLorean]

Yeah, he came in for the injured Assou-Ekotto at left back. When Assou-Ekotto returned from injury he pushed Bale up to left midfield and the rest is history. I'm not sure Redknapp ever wanted to sell him though, but Forest definitely showed some interest.

[tetsujin1979]

Yeah, he came in for the injured Assou-Ekotto at left back. When Assou-Ekotto returned from injury he pushed Bale up to left midfield and the rest is history. I'm not sure Redknapp ever wanted to sell him though, but Forest definitely showed some interest.
you were right, according to this article on the potential move- http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/23947384 - it was Bale who decided to stay
it was Bale's decision to stay at Spurs and "fight" for his place.Would that mean Spurs wanted to sell him?

[Charlie Darwin]

Spurs were trying to sell him. Martin Jol said recently that Hamburg were offered him for £6m but they couldn't come up with the money, and there have been stories going back a few years about Championship clubs being offered him.

[DeLorean]

Well why wouldn't they sell a player who wasn't getting in the side I suppose. To say they wouldn't let him leave for less than 6m shows they must have rated him some bit. They had only spent 7m on him so it wouldn't have been that big a hit for a perceived flop. In fairness to Redknapp, he gave him his chance, by hook or by 'crook', and Bale repaid him handsomely. Redknapp transformed Spurs, and it was probably his attacking philosophy that allowed Bale to really prosper, so I wouldn't begrudge him a little bit of credit for how things developed.

[tricky_colour]

Seems to have been the case he was considered good but not that good or at least had potential, I don't know if anyone can claim to
have known how good he would be at that point. It seems things happen more by accident than intent.
Anyhow Juande Ramos was manager of Spurs when they signed Bale so he should take the credit, Spur thanked him by sacking him :)

[tetsujin1979]

Move to Forest might not be on: https://twitter.com/sportchippers/status/525191216103972864

With Stuart Pearce this morning. Dismisses talk of move for Jack Grealish. "Not on radar." #nffc (https://twitter.com/hashtag/nffc?src=hash) #notts (https://twitter.com/hashtag/notts?src=hash)

[tricky_colour]

Move to Forest might not be on: https://twitter.com/sportchippers/status/525191216103972864

Not sure is Pearce knows what is going on at his own club, they have bought players before
and he did not see to know anything about it.

[DannyInvincible]

Might Grealish get an earlier call than expected in the absence of Wes, Whelan and Reid from the Scotland game? Who else besides Paul Green can make up the midfield numbers?

[gastric]

Might Grealish get an earlier call than expected in the absence of Wes, Whelan and Reid from the Scotland game? Who else besides Paul Green can make up the midfield numbers?

Mark Noble.....runs!

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Might Grealish get an earlier call than expected in the absence of Wes, Whelan and Reid from the Scotland game? Who else besides Paul Green can make up the midfield numbers?

Pretty sure he's only available for the USA game.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Mark Noble.....runs! ..away from the phone when MON calls.

[Stuttgart88]

Might Grealish get an earlier call than expected in the absence of Wes, Whelan and Reid from the Scotland game? Who else besides Paul Green can make up the midfield numbers?
If it's only to make up the numbers does it matter?

[SwanVsDalton]

Grealish doesn't solve any problems at centre mid. Even with three to be selected, I'd have thought Gibson, McCarthy, Meyler, Quinn and Wilson (at a push) would cover us. Wouldn't surprise me if Paul Green was the one called up to shore up the numbers. Maybe an opportunity to have a look at someone like Harry Arter or Shaun Williams, particularly with the US game a few days later.

[tricky_colour]

Might Grealish get an earlier call than expected in the absence of Wes, Whelan and Reid from the Scotland game? Who else besides Paul Green can make up the midfield numbers?

Yes it's like the squad has been hit by a Hourihane

[DannyInvincible]

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I think we're just having a speculative discussion about one of our players; nobody's "spanking their monkeys" or getting desperate. If he were to declare for England, that's his call; he's welcome to it. Most here would wish him the best and would be content enough with their own lives so as for that not to arouse an extreme sense of bitterness within them. What the hell does a 19-year-old young fella owe us? For what it's worth, it doesn't look like he'll be switching to England.

Jack Grealish doesn't pick and choose his games; it's Martin O'Neill/Noel King who pick(s) and choose(s) his games. His father said he wouldn't be ready for Scotland, and Roy Keane had seemingly agreed with him on this point in advance, so perhaps there were discussions followed by an accord with our management with regard to what Jack might and might not be ready for. What do you make of the empathetic O'Neill here considering the way he has dealt with this sensitive situation? Or should that be the pathetic O'Neill?... :rolleyes:

[The Fly]

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Tets, give this fella a ban.

[Stuttgart88]

Stop being so juvenile Doc, it's tiresome.

[WexCar]

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We can all like/dislike different players & thats fine. Don't know why JG rubs you the wrong way but your comments about JG come across as personal.

Picking holes in his game(he's a kid, cut him some slack[your beloved SSL ain't perfect either]), he may play for IRE/ENG thats his choice(assuming he is good enough). Your as biased in your critique of JG as you are in your praise of SSL.

Don't think name calling is appropriate either.

[DannyInvincible]

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Get over yourself, doc. What on earth are you talking about? I've not accused anyone of anything. If I've made "unsubstantiated comments", point them out to me and I'll provide evidential grounds for my position. Bitter confrontation appears to energise you; I don't know how you do it! I can sense you feel victimised, but, whether your sense of victimhood is valid or not, it has nothing to do with me. Why try and deflect your bitterness (and you do possess that in extraordinary reserve) on to me just because you've suffered punitive consequences as a result of your own brashness?

[The Fly]

Get over yourself, doc. What on earth are you talking about? I've not accused anyone of anything. If I've made "unsubstantiated comments", point them out to me and I'll provide evidential grounds for my position. Bitter confrontation appears to energise you; I don't know how you do it! I can sense you feel victimised, but, whether your sense of victimhood is valid or not, it has nothing to do with me. Why try and deflect your bitterness (and you do possess that in extraordinary reserve) on to me just because you've suffered punitive consequences as a result of your own brashness?

Sarcasm Danny,...sarcasm.

[tetsujin1979]

Doc on a week's suspension for repeated infractions, and personal abuse.
Original (and subsequent) posts deleted, all quotes of same removed.

For the record, I'm willing to allow some posts without proof as long as it's a reasonable assumption, or deduction, from public knowledge.

However, in this thread, given its nature, I'm going to insist on all allegations to be backed up with quotes or published articles