Jack Grealish

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6is2wdxrPtU

Looks pretty good here, although I am not sure what standard of player he is up against.

According to this he is playing the M23!!! He beat a whole motorway!!!

Actually it might not have been a motor way rather the Congolese Revolutionary Army, but impressive nonetheless.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_23_Movement


Turn out in reality is was a Hong Kong FA U23 side.



http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/aston-villas-jack-grealish-18-scores-solo-wondergoal-in-hong-kong-tournament-vine/


They dont teach defending in Hong Kong tricky - chronic effort by them trying to stop him

[the doc]

Richie Dunne seems to be a fan anyway....



"They have tried with Jack Grealish and maybe if he had come in he'd have been in the squad. If we can get hold of him he is a player who can be a star for Ireland for the next 15 years. I've seen him at training [at Aston Villa] and I have seen a couple of clips of him at Notts County and I have seen how good he is. If Ireland can get him it would be brilliant."


http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/tilting-the-world-in-his-direction-30531478.html

Dunney also said the same about Clark, that went great didn't it.

On another note see M Keane who many on here are creaming themselves over, was brutal at MK Dons tonight.

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Dunney also said the same about Clark, that went great didn't it.

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You seem a bit uptight lad?

Im only posting what Dunne said

Big fan of grealish - think he has potential but he has a long way to go - hope he declares for us and becomes what all the scouts and coaches think he can become

As for me - I gave up predicting future Irish stars after Wenger got rid of stokes

[Charlie Darwin]

The doc seems to be particularly critical of any English-born player who is involved with the Irish set-up. Except for one.

[Stuttgart88]

Dunney also said the same about Clark, that went great didn't it.

Yet another Irish legend who won't admit he was wrong.

[tetsujin1979]

Dunney also said the same about Clark, that went great didn't it.that's Ciaran Clark, the English-born player who plays senior international football for Ireland.


On another note see M Keane who many on here are creaming themselves over, was brutal at MK Dons tonight.There's a quote button next to every post, would you provide some examples of this "creaming themselves" you mention?

[Olé Olé]

There's a quote button next to every post, would you provide some examples of this "creaming themselves" you mention?

Yeah, you can insert images too, y'know...please.

:o

[ArdeeBhoy]

Ooh, no thanks!

[ifk101]

Yet another Foot ie poster refusing to admit he was wrong.

Hey the doc, how's sean st ledger getting on?

[DannyInvincible]

Lambert and Keane won't influence any decision on Grealish's international future: http://www.goal.com/en-ie/news/3942/ireland/2014/08/26/5061655/lambert-keane-cant-influence-grealish-decision?CMPID=FBIRE_140826_GREALISH


Lambert believes that Grealish must make the decision himself, and neither he nor Keane are looking to influence the winger's decision.

"It's not something we talk about. Whatever country Jack decides to play for we can't influence; that's up to him," Lambert told reporters.

"He's only 18 so I don't talk to him about his international career. I'm more interested in Aston Villa so it's up to Jack what he wants to do."

The Aston Villa boss revealed that he is more concerned with Grealish's club form, and admits that the 18-year-old could be in line to start against Leyton Orient in the Capital One Cup.

"Whatever road he wants to go down, we'll back it," the 45-year-old admitted,

"But first and foremost he's got to keep doing what he's doing and try and hang onto my squad in the first team.

"I think he's maturing well. He has done okay. He's got miles to go in the game but at this minute he has done alright.

"There is a chance he'll start [Wednesday] if he is okay, and I dont have a problem throwing him in - if I thought that (it was a gamble to play Grealish) I wouldn't have had him against Stoke."

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Grealish Starts for Villa in tonights league cup game against leyton Orient

Sidenote - Shay Given also starts

[Charlie Darwin]

Apologies for taking the thread off-topic, but he starts for Villa in the league cup, as does Given. The doc's mate is on the bench.

[Charlie Darwin]

Neil Moxley ‏@Neil_Moxley (https://twitter.com/Neil_Moxley) 6m (https://twitter.com/Neil_Moxley/status/504719965464051712) More


Jack Grealish certainly looks a prospect for #avfc (https://twitter.com/hashtag/avfc?src=hash). Been the brightest spark here by a country mile....

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Phil Thomson on sky sports news saying Grealish looks very good

[Charlie Darwin]

Wasn't enough to keep them in it, Villa going down to an 88th minute goal.

[BonnieShels]

Phil Thomson on sky sports news saying Grealish looks very good

If Thommo can see it then it's plain for everyone now!

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If Thommo can see it then it's plain for everyone now!

http://www.nhsdg.scot.nhs.uk/images/op-stranraer-60_hanover_st-thompson.jpg

[tricky_colour]

Well he may have looked good ( I have not seen it yet but have some recorded
highlights to watch) but Villa still lost 0-1.

Interesting too that man U lost 4-0 to MK Dons with a M Keane in the team,
a player we 'lost' to England, doesn't seem that much of a loss does it?

I just had a look therough Roy Keanes career and could not find a 4 gaol defeat up to 2000.

[samhaydenjr]

Wasn't enough to keep them in it, Villa going down to an 88th minute goal.


That's a pity - it would have been good for Lambert to have the option of playing him in a couple of extra League Cup games over the autumn, should he still be unsure about giving him serious playing time in the Premier League - still, good to see him play the full 90 with some positive feedback on his performance. Also good that Martin O'Neill has obviously taken the time to indicate that he could well be close(-ish) to becoming an option for the National Team and then giving him the space to consider whether he's ready to commit at this point. I know that we still need to wait a bit to see if he is the real deal - some have said here that he could end up like Ritchie Partridge, Darren Potter or Sean Thornton (who all incidentally had perfectly respectable careers). But he could also be like James McCarthy, taking a little bit more time to establish himself fully as a top player (but eventually doing so)...or he could be this season's Ross Barkley. My gut instinct (and admittedly this is based mainly on viewing Youtube videos and reading about the general buzz surrounding him) is that it will be one of the latter two options and if it's the last one, we should be ready for him to play a part in this qualifying campaign, again assuming he's ready to make his final decision.

[Charlie Darwin]

Darren Potter was super last night for MK Dons, by the way.

[DeLorean]

Interesting too that man U lost 4-0 to MK Dons with a M Keane in the team,
a player we 'lost' to England, doesn't seem that much of a loss does it?

In fairness, I don't think Paul McGrath or Franco Baresi would have compensated for that Jonny Evans performance!

[The Fly]

https://twitter.com/JackGrealish1/statuses/505034313109626880

[DannyInvincible]

https://twitter.com/JackGrealish1/statuses/505034313109626880

What's it say? I'm in work and Twitter is blocked.

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What's it say? I'm in work and Twitter is blocked.



on Jack Grealish twitter account - post from paul McGrath

‏@JackGrealish1 "congrats jack ,now get yourself into gear for Ireland's next two matches , good man ! # COYBIG"

Jack replies:

@paulmcgrath5 ” thanks Paul��"

[the doc]

Got a compo off one of my Villa mates so went along to Villa Park last night.

Villa were poor, how Baker is starting ahead of my mate Clarky I don't know.

Shay made a great save to keep Villa in it, but they had so much space to score, he could do little to stop it.

As for young Jack, looks good on the ball, beats players but what I did notice was that he uses the same two tricks to turn or beat a player.

Better defenders will work that out, he also bottled a couple of 50-50s and gave the ball away lots sometimes without being under pressure.

But to be fair, he's young and these are the type of games he needs to develop.

[Stuttgart88]

Could Shay have come to take the cross that led to the winner?

[tricky_colour]

Got a compo off one of my Villa mates so went along to Villa Park last night.

Villa were poor, how Baker is starting ahead of my mate Clarky I don't know.

Shay made a great save to keep Villa in it, but they had so much space to score, he could do little to stop it.

As for young Jack, looks good on the ball, beats players but what I did notice was that he uses the same two tricks to turn or beat a player.

Better defenders will work that out, he also bottled a couple of 50-50s and gave the ball away lots sometimes without being under pressure.

But to be fair, he's young and these are the type of games he needs to develop.

I think what you have to do is adapt when player work you out, ie you know
they are expecting a certain trick, so use that to your advantage. So they will be expecting you
to go right so feint right and go left!! Simples :)
As for bottling 50/50's sometimes that is not a bad idea, a broken leg won't do you much good.

[the doc]

I think what you have to do is adapt when player work you out, ie you know
they are expecting a certain trick, so use that to your advantage. So they will be expecting you
to go right so feint right and go left!! Simples :)
As for bottling 50/50's sometimes that is not a bad idea, a broken leg won't do you much good.

Fair point, but that's if you can adapt. As for backing out of a 50-50, your more likely to get hurt leaving a leg trailing out, as your not prepared for the impact.

[tricky_colour]

Fair point, but that's if you can adapt. As for backing out of a 50-50, your more likely to get hurt leaving a leg trailing out, as your not prepared for the impact.

If you are inherently a good player you should be able to adapt and stay one step ahead, I think Jack has a few more tricks
if needed and he has the balance, which is the key thing, I have seen him leave quite few players on their backsides,
but obviously they higher up he goes he is going to meet a better class of defender. Judging when to tackle and when
not to is another thing that sets players apart.

[youngirish]

Got a compo off one of my Villa mates so went along to Villa Park last night.

Villa were poor, how Baker is starting ahead of my mate Clarky I don't know.

Shay made a great save to keep Villa in it, but they had so much space to score, he could do little to stop it.

As for young Jack, looks good on the ball, beats players but what I did notice was that he uses the same two tricks to turn or beat a player.

Better defenders will work that out, he also bottled a couple of 50-50s and gave the ball away lots sometimes without being under pressure.

But to be fair, he's young and these are the type of games he needs to develop.
Doc seriously you need to get your agent sorted out if he can't at least get you a contract with a decent Championship club. You need to remind him that the likes of Paul McShane is getting regular games in the Premiership.

Who's your agent anyway? Nicolas Anelka's brothers? Anthony Stokes' dad? Trigger from only Fools and Horses?

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The lads chatting about him on soccer republic....



http://www.rte.ie/sport/player/813/639927/

[samhaydenjr]

The lads chatting about him on soccer republic....



http://www.rte.ie/sport/player/813/639927/


Good point from Sadlier about the finality of the decision. Just because Grealish hasn't declared fully for Ireland while playing for the underage teams doesn't necessarily mean he's cynically taking advantage of the FAI while hoping the English FA will come and whisk him away or anything like that - he just came and played where he was asked to play and his options have remained open because of the rules. And now he's close to that point where he will have to make that choice. And as Sadlier points out, it is a big decision to make for an eighteen-year-old lad with issues of loyalty, identity and career to consider. So I think Martin O'Neill is definitely right in approaching him and saying that he's ready or nearly ready to move him up to the senior squad but to then give him the necessary space to make this decision. So time will tell and I certainly hope he does choose Ireland because if he does fulfil his early promise we could have a really strong midfield for the next decade, but even if he doesn't we'll still be well stocked in that department

[DannyInvincible]

Just because Grealish hasn't declared fully for Ireland while playing for the underage teams doesn't necessarily mean he's cynically taking advantage of the FAI while hoping the English FA will come and whisk him away or anything like that - he just came and played where he was asked to play and his options have remained open because of the rules.

Exactly. Sadlier made some good points. Jack shows up and does the job for us when asked, so it's not as if he isn't giving anything back in return. We're also well aware of his situation and yet we're more than happy to select him. We're under no duty to continue selecting him, so it would be incorrect to say he's using us. The relationship is bilateral or reciprocal. For what it's worth, I'd prefer it if we did continue selecting him and building ever-stronger links. Trying to force a decision from him by saying "you either accept a senior call-up or that's it" would be downright folly. It'd only arouse resentment.

[Stuttgart88]

Who was the other pundit? Was that Dave Connell? He didn't appear well up on the situation.

[osarusan]

Who was the other pundit? Was that Dave Connell? He didn't appear well up on the situation.

Dave Barry. LOI legend but is agony to listen to.

[DannyInvincible]

Who was the other pundit? Was that Dave Connell? He didn't appear well up on the situation.

It's Dave Barry.

[Stuttgart88]

Sorry, didn't recognise him. I watched him many times.

[Predator]

Dave was too caught up in the memory of that goal against Bayern Munich to care about Grealish's international angst.

[tricky_colour]

I was just looking at Forest who won today and are top of the Championship, one of their players Mancienne is eligible to play for
the Seychelles as well as England as his father is from there.

Note really comparing like with like though as Seychelles are ranked by FIFA at 180. Also he has been playing for England au u21 level.


Mancienne is eligible to play for the Seychelles as his father, Michael Snr, originates from there and is a former Seychelles international midfielder. He rejected the chance to play for the Seychelles national team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seychelles_national_football_team) in 2006 in favour of his native England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England_national_football_team).[18] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Mancienne#cite_note-Michael_Mancienne-18) However, in November 2008, Mancienne stated that he would play for Seychelles if he doesn't get to play for England by the time he reaches 25

[tricky_colour]

Tweet about the kid after the Villa game


"Grealish touched the ball 6 times, he got fouled 5 times and got 3 players booked, not bad"

At one point Stephen Quinn absolutely flattened him and got booked, it was quite amusing
even Jack seemsed to see the funny side of it, welll worth seeing on MOTD2:)

[DannyInvincible]

I was just looking at Forest who won today and are top of the Championship, one of their players Mancienne is eligible to play for
the Seychelles as well as England as his father is from there.

Note really comparing like with like though as Seychelles are ranked by FIFA at 180. Also he has been playing for England au u21 level.

Yes, tricky, there are indeed dual nationals in the world of football... :p

If you were to compare Mancienne to anyone though based on the above, it'd be Mark Noble surely; not Jack Grealish who's been playing for us since the age of 14.

[tricky_colour]

Yes, tricky, there are indeed dual nationals in the world of football... :p

If you were to compare Mancienne to anyone though based on the above, it'd be Mark Noble surely; not Jack Grealish who's been playing for us since the age of 14.

Granted it is a poor comparison, as is the Noble one really because I don't see the Seychelles ever being in contention for anything
really, hence I think even people from the Seychelles would rather see him play for England.
If you dont get a cap before 25 it is unlikely you will ever get one, hence Noble has only one real option, to make himself
available for Ireland, which he seems to be on the verge of doing.

[DannyInvincible]

If you dont get a cap before 25 it is unlikely you will ever get one, hence Noble has only one real option, to make himself
available for Ireland, which he seems to be on the verge of doing.

It is unusual, but Keith Andrews was 28 when he made his senior debut.

Noble doesn't appear to be all that interested in representing Ireland. He's still talking about getting a call-up for England. My suspicion is that his agent is trying to compel England into selecting him and giving him a chance by raising fears that they'll permanently lose him if he ends up following through with a switch to us.

[Charlie Darwin]

They're talking about him on MOTD2 now.

[tricky_colour]

It is unusual, but Keith Andrews was 28 when he made his senior debut.

Noble doesn't appear to be all that interested in representing Ireland. He's still talking about getting a call-up for England. My suspicion is that his agent is trying to compel England into selecting him and giving him a chance by raising fears that they'll permanently lose him if he ends up following through with a switch to us.


Yes I had much the same feeling, seemed more like a "come and get me whilst you can" message to the English FA,
however it does not really look like they are interested. Keith was a bit of an exception, Ireland were struggling a bit
more midfield players. Maybe Mark fancies his chances now Lampard and Gerrard have retired, I don't see it happening though.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Grealish got taken out 3 times by Hull players earlier after coming on as sub...

[DannyInvincible]

Grealish got taken out 3 times by Hull players earlier after coming on as sub...

Three players were booked for fouling him inside the space of a few minutes. Five players took him out.

There's a compilation of the footage here: https://vine.co/v/OBwuExPLhdE

That was all after six touches of the ball, as tricky said.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Ah, was only going on MOTD 2 footage...

[tricky_colour]

Grealish got taken out 3 times by Hull players earlier after coming on as sub...

5 times I think 3 of them won yellow cards!! Didn't seem to bother him much, go up
with a smile on his face after a rather crunching body check from Quinn.

Also it seems Grealish wears little or no shin pads and his socks are nearly round his ankles.

This seems a bit mad, but I have been wondering if there is method in the madness.

I am wondering if shin pads actually cause more serious injuries? I expect they give players a false
sense of security, when you have shin pads on you are probably more inclined to got into a crusnching
tackle rather than take evasive action.

It is something called Risk compensation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_compensation

You take more risks because you feel safer. Apparently seat belts in cars caused more deaths of pedestrians
and cyclists because drivers felt safer and hence drove faster and more recklessly.

But cars are a bit different to footballers, you can get a new car if you crash it with the driver surviving, it is bit different
from a footballer, pads only offer limited protection, they may prevent the odd bruise, but you may still end up with a broken
leg. Also if a player can see you have no protective pads they may be less inclined to put in a really reckless tackle?

Also if you feel less protected yourself I expect you will take more care to avoid such tackles in the the first place.



Risk compensation is a theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory) which suggests that people typically adjust their behavior (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavior) in response to the perceived level of risk, becoming more careful where they sense greater risk and less careful if they feel more protected. Although usually small in comparison to the fundamental benefits of safety interventions, it may result in a lower net benefit than expected.[n 1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_compensation#cite_note-1)

By way of example, it has been observed that motorists drove faster when wearing seatbelts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seatbelt) and closer to the vehicle in front when the vehicles were fitted with anti-lock brakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-lock_braking_system). There is also evidence that the risk compensation phenomenon could explain the failure of condom distribution programs to reverse HIV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV) prevalence and that condoms may foster disinhibition, with people engaging in risky sex both with and without condoms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condom).
By contrast, shared space (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_space) is a highway design method which consciously aims to increase the level of perceived risk and uncertainty, thereby slowing traffic and reducing the number of and seriousness of injuries.


Apologies for introducing such high brow stuff to the forum :p

[tricky_colour]

Three players were booked for fouling him inside the space of a few minutes. Five players took him out.

There's a compilation of the footage here: https://vine.co/v/OBwuExPLhdE

That was all after six touches of the ball, as tricky said.

Thanks for that, just been looking at it it in regard of my risk compensation theory, it seems to
me the players avoid his unprotected lower legs and hit him higher up the body.

This kind of behaviour is also observed on the roads too apparently.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/5334208.stm

Wearing helmets 'more dangerous








Cyclists who wear protective helmets are more likely to be knocked down by passing vehicles, new research from Bath University suggests.
2,500 overtaking motorists in Salisbury and Bristol were recorded The study found drivers tend to pass closer when overtaking cyclists wearing helmets than those who are bare-headed.

Dr Ian Walker was struck by a bus and a lorry during the experiment. He was wearing a helmet both times.



So wearing a helmet may actually put you at more risk, and the same may go for shin pads!