Tipp South & District League 2009/10

[saintsfan]

ah no, nothing serious happened at all. Celtic made a few changes and there was a few minor injuries but may be Paddy thought Saints might equalise again after he incorrectly disallowed a goal!!! dont really know.

[Quietman]

ah no, nothing serious happened at all. Celtic made a few changes and there was a few minor injuries but may be Paddy thought Saints might equalise again after he incorrectly disallowed a goal!!! dont really know.

Oh ok ..................Jez 8 Mins is alot though...................

[ComeOnTownNow]

well said Roberto!!!!!!

you hit the nail on the head, refereeing is all about common sense, he and one or two others dont seem to have any, interesting to see that most of them never kicked a football in their life, they dont understand the game really

[ComeOnTownNow]

few points to note here.......

Clonmel Town are not in any sort of dissarray at the moment, the players who are the most import entity here are in great spirits and are looking forward to a MJC Final and an FAI Semi, anyone who thinks that because of yesterdays flat display against Peake Villa is anything to judge Town by is seriously talking through their behind. Lot of lads were minding themselves for the bigger times ahead, and could you blame them? You can bet your life in 2 weeks time when they face probably St Michaels in the FAI Semi that they will have all guns blazing with or without Aaron or Smurf, and i do expect both players to be playing for the record.

Also on the Muiris Walsh issue, i know what went on and ive stated it here on this forum, please drop it now cause its getting quite boring, for those of you who missed it, read back on previous posts, no one is irreplaceable and if he wishes to stand down thats his decision, he wont be chased to come back but im sure he would be welcome back to the club if he changes his mind

RANT OVER

[Larry 'da' Wyse]

Well done Villa. Great win. Congrats to all

[balls]

delighted for peake great bunch of lads, definatly deserved are worthy champions .

[MerchantsView]

well done villa.....fareplay

[complexman]

few points to note here.......

Clonmel Town are not in any sort of dissarray at the moment, the players who are the most import entity here are in great spirits and are looking forward to a MJC Final and an FAI Semi, anyone who thinks that because of yesterdays flat display against Peake Villa is anything to judge Town by is seriously talking through their behind. Lot of lads were minding themselves for the bigger times ahead, and could you blame them? You can bet your life in 2 weeks time when they face probably St Michaels in the FAI Semi that they will have all guns blazing with or without Aaron or Smurf, and i do expect both players to be playing for the record.

Also on the Muiris Walsh issue, i know what went on and ive stated it here on this forum, please drop it now cause its getting quite boring, for those of you who missed it, read back on previous posts, no one is irreplaceable and if he wishes to stand down thats his decision, he wont be chased to come back but im sure he would be welcome back to the club if he changes his mind

RANT OVER

Yes it is getting boring. As I said I am sorry to see him go. However I think it is very bad form that he would go and potentially cause such disruption at this crucial and vital stage of the season. As you say the club won’t chase him and why should they. The club has done nothing wrong. He was only the PRO, a good one but it’s not that big a job. Yes he has been very good for the club but what he has done isn’t right. Maybe he wanted the club to run after him and stroke his ego, I don’t know.Why couldn't he have waited till the season ended.
It’s not as if Ray Condon or the manager quit!! Anyway, let’s move on. Clonmel Town FC is far bigger than him. Thats my final word on Mr Walsh

If the Pike v Michaels saga is over Wed, will the semi final be played Sunday or would that be too soon. Also, isn’t there an outstanding FAI Senior Cup match to be played?

[ComeOnTownNow]

Yeh thats fixed for sunday coming and then the FAI is the following week, the munster junior final is fixed for the week after that

[complexman]

How will Moroney and Smurf be able to play. I thought they got 3 matches

[complexman]

Yeh thats fixed for sunday coming and then the FAI is the following week, the munster junior final is fixed for the week after that

Where did you see that? I have searced around and I can't find it

[maxwellsmart]

Not a nice way to win the league. Between Towns B team and Jimmy McKells hatred of Celtic, Villa have been handed the league. Just goes to show Towns demeanor.

Swings and roundabouts

Have a bit of dignity will you....

[Soccer Fan]

I am new to this site. I will be honest and say that I am from Cahir. The only reason I have logged in as I cannot believe the way you have dismissed a man of the caliber of Muiris Walsh “he won’t be chased to come back” well it must be a huge relief to you that a club can afford to lose a man like him. I met him in Cahir last Tuesday and he was in flying form. Really looking forward to the end of the season and then two days later he is gone!! How long is involved in the club? He is the most high profile PRO in football. I was told today that he wasn’t on the radio last night. Has he gone from that too?
He does a great job promoting the game. God, a few weeks ago people here were wanting him to present a new radio show and now you say him going is boring. Perhaps it is
I am sorry but I honestly don’t believe that he left because of the TSDL. I just don’t. I have gotten to know Muiris over the last 4 or 5 years and he isn’t a quitter. If that is true, then I stand corrected. But, the whole football family should try and get him back involved in football. The TSDL and Clonmel Town will survive without him but it would be far better if he were still involved. I notice that his contact details are gone off the webpage. I will get his number, ring him and ask him why. I might be on my own here but I think the whole football family has lost the service of a great football man.

[Referee09]

I have to say I'm shocked that anyone involved in football, let alone the so called Clonmel Town "supporters" on this forum would see the loss of Muiris Walsh as not beng important and questioning his integrity. He will be hugely missed in Clonmel Town and in football in general in Tipperary. I'm sure that for whatever reason he has stepped down, it wasn't an easy decision for him and he wouldn't have made that decision lightly. And I for one wish him all the best in whatever he does in the future....................

[Pearoso27]

Yeh thats fixed for sunday coming and then the FAI is the following week, the munster junior final is fixed for the week after that

From what i know about it IF the Arbitration goes in Saints favour they are playing the FAI Senior Cup Saturday night so the FAI Junior Semi wont be on Sunday! Of course i stand to be corrected!

[ComeOnTownNow]

well said maxwellsmart!

[ComeOnTownNow]

If and hopefully when Pike get the bullet the fixtures will show as

Sat 15th - Michaels in FAI Senior
Sun 23rd Town v Michaels
Sun 30th Town v Carrick

[nononsense]

If and hopefully when Pike get the bullet the fixtures will show as

Sat 15th - Michaels in FAI Senior
Sun 23rd Town v Michaels
Sun 30th Town v Carrick
If it is Bluebell v St.Michaels it will be played on Saturday night. If it is Bluebell v Pike Rovers it will be played on Sunday. If Bluebell draw with whoever they play, the replay will be on Sunday week 23rd June. If not the F.A.I. Junior Cup semi-final will be played on 23rd (extra time and penalties if necessary). With Cork v Tipperary on Sunday June 30th it is unlikely the Munster Junior Cup final will be on that day. Possibility of Saturday night June 29th.

[ComeOnTownNow]

there is a chance they will be able to play under appeal, if it works out the way town want to aaron will play the fai semi and mjc final but miss the fai if they get thru
smurf should play all pls god!

[balls]

any result from town vs saints was it played tonight

[ComeOnTownNow]

1-1, i heard it was a poor game

[balls]

dont think either team was goona give much away b4 potential fai semi between the 2. town finish 4th so after 6 seasons at the top, do people think premier has got more competitive or have town just let there high standards drop this season???

[ronburgundy]

certainly think league has become more competitive. town are in munster final and fai semi and yet can only finish 4th in league. in saying that town arent the team they were. interesting to see who will get the managers job next year as they certainly need to strenghten

[ComeOnTownNow]

its very hard to maintain a good run in fai, munster and league, you always need to sacrifice one competition, for the last 6 years of Towns dominance when the won the league they were strong in at least one of the cups and knocked out of the other early on. at the start of this year in the first 3-4 league games town struggled to field a team and gave away silly points to the bridge, borris and lost a 1-0 lead to celtic, they also lost coady, scully, mcgrath, costigan, i wud say 4 of the best players in the league last year, along with rory kiely and barry kiely so it was a tough start, effectively Town had lost the league in the first half of the season.. knowing they had lost the league probably made them concentrate more on cup competitions

in sayin that now celtic have improved with the help of ex town players, scully, kenrick and shanahan have added alot, peake were always knockin on the door and deserve their leage

[ronburgundy]

its very hard to maintain a good run in fai, munster and league, you always need to sacrifice one competition, for the last 6 years of Towns dominance when the won the league they were strong in at least one of the cups and knocked out of the other early on. at the start of this year in the first 3-4 league games town struggled to field a team and gave away silly points to the bridge, borris and lost a 1-0 lead to celtic, they also lost coady, scully, mcgrath, costigan, i wud say 4 of the best players in the league last year, along with rory kiely and barry kiely so it was a tough start, effectively Town had lost the league in the first half of the season.. knowing they had lost the league probably made them concentrate more on cup competitions

in sayin that now celtic have improved with the help of ex town players, scully, kenrick and shanahan have added alot, peake were always knockin on the door and deserve their leage

i agree, scully especially was a massive loss, will he play again??

[ComeOnTownNow]

unfortunately not for Town, one of the best players Town ever had, they'll be a long time lookin for a replacement, he has to have a bone graft on his leg next month

[ronburgundy]

thats sad to hear. for me the main reason town have dominated the tsdl

[Redman028]

The premier has defenitly got more competitive but as far as town are concerned you only have to look at what can only described as an horrendous start as to why they finished as low as 4th.With the players they lost and that start I dont think anyone could of honestly predicted last September that they would of recovered and got this far in the F.A.I and the M.J.C. Its a credit to the players and lets hope they go on and lift both cups.

[Roberto]

in sayin that now celtic have improved with the help of ex town players, scully, kenrick and shanahan have added alot, peake were always knockin on the door and deserve their leage[/QUOTE] (comeontownnow)

You could also make a strong argument that Town's success over the years has been helped by their 'acquisition' of Celtic/St Oliver's players who have come up through the schoolboy and youth ranks of Celtic/St Olivers. Stephen Ryan and Tony Scully are 2 prime examples in your current junior squad. So it is nice to see players moving in the opposite direction for a change. I suppose it's a reflection of how far Celtic have progressed both on and off the field over the last 5/6 years.

[saintsfan]

Where did you see that? I have searced around and I can't find it

Yeah, if Pike lose their appeal today, Saints are playing Bluebell on Saturday, that's for definite.

[saintsfan]

any result from town vs saints was it played tonight


That game is on tonight (wednesday) and if both teams have any sense, they should send their B Teams down to represent them (no disrespect to both B Teams) - it's just a pointless game - imaging saying that, Town .v. Saints game pointless at this stage of season!

[saintsfan]

1-1, i heard it was a poor game

Apologies for posting that game was on tonight (Wednesday), i didnt realise it was last night, (Tuesday), didnt even know result! i was talking about something I didnt realise happened.

[Soccer Fan]

That is a valid point. You must add as well that McKeever retired so that was going to be a major change and a period of transition. It is great credit to Town that they have managed to get this far. It is good that the league is competitive. Cashel and my own club Cahir Park are making good progress on and off the field. The more clubs progressing, the better the league.

I also spoke to Muiris this morning. He wasn't really in the mood for talking, have to say he sounded very down about things. He reassured me that he was fine but also said that he wouldn't be returning to football anytime soon. As I said yesterday a great man and a huge loss to football. A measure of the man was that he said that Clonmel Town had given him so many happy days both as a supporter and as his time as PRO, that he could never have done enough for the club. He also hoped that people would leave the issue alone that Clonmel Town wasn't about him but the great players they have at all levels. I will respect this true football man wishes. As genuine a bloke as I have met in any walk of life.sad loss to the game

[tipp man]

When can we expect word from arbitration?

[nononsense]

Well Tommy Lewis isn't going to do Town any favours. You can be sure if it was Michael's those suspension would be pushed out until the start of next season. Mind you, Aaron's tackle was a disgrace but Smurf is getting a raw deal

Also look at the way he is treating Town with Robbie Costigan- that’s an absolute disgrace. Everything was in order, he was signed on the 31st March. He won't allow the signature go through, even though Town have the receipt for the 31st March- this is an absolute joke. What is the problem here? I can't understand what the problem is with this. If didn't reach him on time, well then thats the post office fault not Town's. Your correct we need a change but who?
It has been mentioned several times about Robbie Costigans registration. It is stated his registration was posted on 31st March and Clonmel Town have a receipt to prove it. If that is so, why don't Clonmel Town just play him. If anybody subsequently objects Clonmel Town have cast-iron proof he was registered. If the registration is fully compliant with the rules of the game, the committee of the TSDL have no case. So go ahead and play him.
On the question of ''needing a change'' the time is approaching when clubs will be given the democratic right to make changes at the TSDL AGM. If clubs are unhappy with the present officers or committee now is the time to canvass for replacements.

[Roberto]

There is some load of hypocrisy on this site. You have people banging on about throwing Pike out because they broke the rules and at the same time they're asking Tommy Lewis to bend rules about registration/suspensions in favour of Town. If he is acting incorrectly why don't Town just appeal his decision? I guarantee you that if Town played say Fairview in the FAI Junior Cup final and they heard the Limerick League bent their rules in favour of Fairview regarding suspensions/registrations you'd have the same people on here kicking up loads. Get real and stop blaming the wrong people.

[Roberto]

Tipp Top, can I assume that if Town believe that the TSDL has acted inproperly or unfairly regarding these suspensions that they have appealed this decision? If not, why not? Craig Condon was sent off in a league match in January and on enquiring Celtic were advised that he was available for the next FAI Junior Cup game as his suspension only applied to games in the competition in which he was sent off i.e. league games. I don't understand why the Moroney situation is different to his. I assume Town has asked this question?

And to back up what nononsense has said, at the TSDL AGM every year they always ask for nominees from the clubs for their committee but never get anyone interested. They say they only run the league on behalf of the clubs and if people are unhappy the way they run the league why don't they get involved and change things?

[Tipp Top]

I will also echoe those sentiments of luck for the cup final,i think Celtic are an excellent side and silverware 2 years running would be great and well deserved

[West Hammer]

If you have been at any of the last 10 TSDL AGM'S you would know that the committee only has 5 of the 9 posts fielded and they look for new members to come forward every year. If 4 people put their names forward at the next AGM they would be automatically on the new committee. It's funny Clonmel fan saying Lewis only looks after 1 team and any saints fan will tell you Lewis is harder on them. We might all have run ins with him now and then, but when he goes 'and Richie will go with him ' all of the clubs will have to stand up and be counted to keep the show on the road.

[balls]

our league would be nothing without tommy lewis, its the best run league in the country, we dont have major fixture problems like other leagues, all our leagues finish on time dont drag on , when he steps down mark my words tsdl will become a shambles, we dont know how lucky we are to have him and as was said earlier we wont realise that till he steps down. i also think its disrespectfull slating him and talking about him , so can we please get back to onfield matters

[West Hammer]

Both Rock Rovers and Rosegreen were fined last year. If you fail to fulfill 1 fixture it is €100- €200 2 games €200 - €300 if you fail to fulfill 3 games you are kick out of the league and it is up to the new committee if you are allowed back in next season. As for clubs not having games at the end of the season, what do you expect if the top teams are having cup runs and the lower teams are knocked out before February, the cups games have mostly got set dates so league games have to be put back. It is the same in Limerick and any league that has teams with long Munster and National cup runs.
Your comments just prove how little you understand what is involved in running a league.

[Mega Tots]

Both Rock Rovers and Rosegreen were fined last year. If you fail to fulfill 1 fixture it is €100- €200 2 games €200 - €300 if you fail to fulfill 3 games you are kick out of the league and it is up to the new committee if you are allowed back in next season. As for clubs not having games at the end of the season, what do you expect if the top teams are having cup runs and the lower teams are knocked out before February, the cups games have mostly got set dates so league games have to be put back. It is the same in Limerick and any league that has teams with long Munster and National cup runs.
Your comments just prove how little you understand what is involved in running a league.

Rosegreen failed to fulfill 4 fixtures and were supposed to be relegated to 4th division but never happened,rock dont turn up for at least 3 games each season and lets be fair tommy lewis hammered town last season with crazy fixtures...3 a week?

[Town Fan]

I have to agree on most of everything you say Roberto. I am not a member of Town but from what I can see and hear there is a lot of animosity towards Lewis and I think that is unfair. Yes he does run a great league and both he and Richard Power will be sorely missed when they go. My frustration is around the Robbie Costigan registration. I hear what you are saying about bending or breaking the rules. This is not the case. From what I am told,Town did everything correctly and by the rules. Why then is Lewis and the TSDL holding his registration up? I don't know if Town are appealing to the Munster FA but I imagine they are. If I was a cynic, I would say that this proves that Lewis is trying to "do" Town as this is the only logical explanation. I cannot believe that Town given all that’s gone with Pike etc and what happened to them 3 years ago, would take any chances on any players registration. They would be very foolish and stupid if they did. I just don't believe that they would. I don't think Town would go down the road of trying to break any rules.

[Soccer Fan]

I have to agree on most of everything you say Roberto. I am not a member of Town but from what I can see and hear there is a lot of animosity towards Lewis and I think that is unfair. Yes he does run a great league and both he and Richard Power will be sorely missed when they go. My frustration is around the Robbie Costigan registration. I hear what you are saying about bending or breaking the rules. This is not the case. From what I am told,Town did everything correctly and by the rules. Why then is Lewis and the TSDL holding his registration up? I don't know if Town are appealing to the Munster FA but I imagine they are. If I was a cynic, I would say that this proves that Lewis is trying to "do" Town as this is the only logical explanation. I cannot believe that Town given all that’s gone with Pike etc and what happened to them 3 years ago, would take any chances on any players registration. They would be very foolish and stupid if they did. I just don't believe that they would. I don't think Town would go down the road of trying to break any rules.

I think that is fair. But the broader issue here is clubs feeling that Lewis and the TSDL are against them, which is not the case. it is a very tough job and I believe if and obviously when Lewis goes, the league is in danger of falling apart. There needs to be fresh blood on the TSDL committee. The situation cannot continue.
In relation to Robbie. If everything was in order, I can't see how there would be a problem. Lewis and the league are on the ball with these things. I do on the other hand would find it very hard to believe that Town deliberately broke any rules. As you say with every thing that went on, it would be very, very stupid

[complexman]

I have to agree on most of everything you say Roberto. I am not a member of Town but from what I can see and hear there is a lot of animosity towards Lewis and I think that is unfair. Yes he does run a great league and both he and Richard Power will be sorely missed when they go. My frustration is around the Robbie Costigan registration. I hear what you are saying about bending or breaking the rules. This is not the case. From what I am told,Town did everything correctly and by the rules. Why then is Lewis and the TSDL holding his registration up? I don't know if Town are appealing to the Munster FA but I imagine they are. If I was a cynic, I would say that this proves that Lewis is trying to "do" Town as this is the only logical explanation. I cannot believe that Town given all that’s gone with Pike etc and what happened to them 3 years ago, would take any chances on any players registration. They would be very foolish and stupid if they did. I just don't believe that they would. I don't think Town would go down the road of trying to break any rules.

Not only would it be stupid but It would be just wrong and I would call it cheating!! I think Clonmel Town are above that!! and to suggest otehrwise is simply wrong. Even if you dislike Town, they are a honourable club and don't do things like this

More importantly any news on Moroney's and Smurf's suspensions. Are they gone for MJC and FAI Semi?

[Roberto]

I have to agree on most of everything you say Roberto. I am not a member of Town but from what I can see and hear there is a lot of animosity towards Lewis and I think that is unfair. Yes he does run a great league and both he and Richard Power will be sorely missed when they go. My frustration is around the Robbie Costigan registration. I hear what you are saying about bending or breaking the rules. This is not the case. From what I am told,Town did everything correctly and by the rules. Why then is Lewis and the TSDL holding his registration up? I don't know if Town are appealing to the Munster FA but I imagine they are. If I was a cynic, I would say that this proves that Lewis is trying to "do" Town as this is the only logical explanation. I cannot believe that Town given all that’s gone with Pike etc and what happened to them 3 years ago, would take any chances on any players registration. They would be very foolish and stupid if they did. I just don't believe that they would. I don't think Town would go down the road of trying to
break any rules.


Can you just look at the Costigan registration issue from another angle. If Lewis said go ahead and play Costigan and he then plays in an FAI Junior Cup game against, say St Michaels, and Town win and reach the final. Then St Michaels lodge an appeal and following an investigation by the FAI it is discovered that Costigan wasn't registered in time. Who would you take your anger out on?? Correct, Lewis. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. The issue of the registration can't be that difficult i.e. he was either registered in time or not. As I said before if Town think they are correct an appeal will confirm the case. Maybe Lewis is acting in Town's interest regarding the registration issue i.e. trying to make sure everything is above aboard so there won't be any comebacks. Just an alternative view ;)

[complexman]

Can you just look at the Costigan registration issue from another angle. If Lewis said go ahead and play Costigan and he then plays in an FAI Junior Cup game against, say St Michaels, and Town win and reach the final. Then St Michaels lodge an appeal and following an investigation by the FAI it is discovered that Costigan wasn't registered in time. Who would you take your anger out on?? Correct, Lewis. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. The issue of the registration can't be that difficult i.e. he was either registered in time or not. As I said before if Town think they are correct an appeal will confirm the case. Maybe Lewis is acting in Town's interest regarding the registration issue i.e. trying to make sure everything is above aboard so there won't be any comebacks. Just an alternative view ;)

Thats a fair point and I do agree with you. Yes you are correct Lewis would get the blame. Surely though the registered letter is proof and that is black and white or am I missing something. Anyway, we will find out soon enough. I am more concerned with the suspensions

[ronburgundy]

Not only would it be stupid but It would be just wrong and I would call it cheating!! I think Clonmel Town are above that!! and to suggest otehrwise is simply wrong. Even if you dislike Town, they are a honourable club and don't do things like this

More importantly any news on Moroney's and Smurf's suspensions. Are they gone for MJC and FAI Semi?

i wish town all the best and yes they are usually an honourable club. however that is in danger of changing with the management team that are currently involved. even with the bad blood that was between the teams after a recent incident it was a shame to see that a team who have won the league for the last 6 years would not stay on the pitch while peake were presented with the cup in the complex last weekend. i dont blame the players at all, they were ordered from the pitch, showed very little class. and before ye say anything i hope costigan is allowed play and i wish all tsdl teams the best in national cups, but dont go overboard on the town and ' honourable club ' waffle, because it doesnt ring true anymore...............

[complexman]

i wish town all the best and yes they are usually an honourable club. however that is in danger of changing with the management team that are currently involved. even with the bad blood that was between the teams after a recent incident it was a shame to see that a team who have won the league for the last 6 years would not stay on the pitch while peake were presented with the cup in the complex last weekend. i dont blame the players at all, they were ordered from the pitch, showed very little class. and before ye say anything i hope costigan is allowed play and i wish all tsdl teams the best in national cups, but dont go overboard on the town and ' honourable club ' waffle, because it doesnt ring true anymore...............

I wasn't aware that happened as I left before the end- thats disgraceful pure and simple

[Bobby D]

Well lads, I'm new to this site and was reading all your comments on the suspensions and I find it really hard to understand why the league would not be willing to assist a team like Town who have a chance to create history by winning the FAI and Munster. I play in the Waterford League and something like this would never happen, but in saying that the fixture issue is a problem in most leagues.