Tipp South & District League 2009/10

[Tipp Top]

well that kind of talk just shows that you havent seen much of villa this season. who is your own club??

What kind of talk? originally rosegreen and now cashel town and more so Cashel B than the first team,i dont think this devalues my opinion however

[ronburgundy]

What kind of talk? originally rosegreen and now cashel town and more so Cashel B than the first team,i dont think this devalues my opinion however

well i have been to most games and mick ryan has been brilliant as he has been for many seasons, plus i would give more credit to liam mackey at the back this year than i would to leahy, he doesnt seem to be fully tuned in

[Damo]

Jimmy Carr for TSDL player of the year.

[the bandit]

any truth st michaels objection to senior council has been ruled out of order???

[nononsense]

any truth st michaels objection to senior council has been ruled out of order???

Not true.

[the bandit]

Not true.
im afraid it is.wait and see.................................

[balls]

did saints play cahir park last night or was it off over the weather

[Park100]

it was called off due to weather

[Town Fan]

This was on the Clonmel Celtic webpage this morning
"It is expected to be confirmed at a TSDL meeting tonight that both Peake Villa and St Michaels will both be deducted points for breach of player registration regulations. The points deduction to be applied to both teams will mean that Clonmel Celtic will require 1 point from their remaining 4 games to be crowned League champions."

Is this true? If so, doesn't this now put Michael's appeal in the FAI Junior cup in jeopardy. Plus this is an awful way for Celtic to win the league, totally not their fault but it really has no creditability

[tipp man]

This was on the Clonmel Celtic webpage this morning
"It is expected to be confirmed at a TSDL meeting tonight that both Peake Villa and St Michaels will both be deducted points for breach of player registration regulations. The points deduction to be applied to both teams will mean that Clonmel Celtic will require 1 point from their remaining 4 games to be crowned League champions."

Is this true? If so, doesn't this now put Michael's appeal in the FAI Junior cup in jeopardy. Plus this is an awful way for Celtic to win the league, totally not their fault but it really has no creditability

What day is it????????

[Town Fan]

Tipp man- why didn't you keep it going- spoil sport

[Roberto]

Tipp man- why didn't you keep it going- spoil sport

Was Town fan trying to keep it going or was he caught? :D:D

[Redman028]

Was good while it lasted :D

[maxwellsmart]

Its April fools day, and no sign of Tipp Top or Megatots? you'd have thought today, of all days.....

[Tipp Top]

what a perfect day for you to make your long awaited return to foot,its been a tough few weeks for you with those 2 points dropped to cashel and the water not boiling,keep the faith

[hooper74]

any opinions on TSDL player of the year....my nominations would be

Paul Breen- St Michaels
Padraic Fogarty- Peake Villa
Ray Condon- Clonmel Town

[Roberto]

any opinions on TSDL player of the year....my nominations would be

Paul Breen- St Michaels
Padraic Fogarty- Peake Villa
Ray Condon- Clonmel Town


David Joyce- Clonmel Celtic (most improved player).

[balls]

i think raymie is having great season for town would be my tsdl premier player of the year, joycie and paul shanahan would be celtics best two performers, only seen saints a few times this year but from what ive seen timmy carr and cooper fahey have been very good this season

[avenueC]

when ye playing cork in the oscar traynor

[Redman028]

when ye playing cork in the oscar traynor

Its fixed for Friday 9th in Cooke Parke Tipperary town

[Insidetherock]

Looks like Michael's blew the league today with their draw at Old Bridge... Peake are definitely in the pole position now.

Although they still have one very tricky game against Town away... I wonder might Town rest some of their normal first eleven with FAI games possibly coming up ?

Anyone know what their last game is?

Ps... commiserations on Town losing in the Munster Senior

[Freddy]

I wouldnt write St. Michaels off just yet, but the draw against Bridge is a possible title destroyer alright!! Anyone at the game?? I cant believe they dropped points...it's a game they have to be winning to have any hope of the league,,,in saying that though the same probably applies to Peake v Cashel! Should be a very tight finish....

[Town Fan]

Looks like Michael's blew the league today with their draw at Old Bridge... Peake are definitely in the pole position now.

Although they still have one very tricky game against Town away... I wonder might Town rest some of their normal first eleven with FAI games possibly coming up ?

Anyone know what their last game is?

Ps... commiserations on Town losing in the Munster Senior

John Lyons at it again yesterday. he is a disgrace. Ref gives a pen, Tony Scully has the ball on the spot and Lyons calls over the ref and says Dwayne dived. Dwayne was sent off. This is the 3rd time this season that John Lyons has done Town. I just hope that Town report him, what an absolute joke.
Then in last minute, Tramore guy punches ball off the line and no pen.
That said, Town weren't great yesterday but the officials were a scandal but John Lyons beat all

[Roberto]

Looks like Michael's blew the league today with their draw at Old Bridge... Peake are definitely in the pole position now.

Although they still have one very tricky game against Town away... I wonder might Town rest some of their normal first eleven with FAI games possibly coming up ?

Anyone know what their last game is?

Ps... commiserations on Town losing in the Munster Senior


Villa's last 2 games are away to Town and at home to Michaels, it looks here at if everyone is writing of Clonmel Celtic?????? If Villa drop any points, 3 wins and Celtic win the league.

[Insidetherock]

Villa's last 2 games are away to Town and at home to Michaels, it looks here at if everyone is writing of Clonmel Celtic?????? If Villa drop any points, 3 wins and Celtic win the league.

It certainly is in the mix all right Roberto

It's a little like the EPL at this stage.

If Peake win their games, they are champions, but having Town and Michaels in the last two games is no easy task. There is a strong possibility that the Peake Michaels game will effectively be a cup final to decide the league.

Question is, who do Celtic have in their final 3 games ? Are they home or away games ?

No doubt it's going to be an exciting finish to the season

Peake at 4/6, Celtic at evens and Michaels at 6/4 I'd say.

Prices based on the fact that Peake already have the points on the board and have a home game left against Michaels. If Celtic beat Rock in their next home game, and Peake drop points to Town, then they would likely move into an odds on position

[Quietman]

John Lyons at it again yesterday. he is a disgrace. Ref gives a pen, Tony Scully has the ball on the spot and Lyons calls over the ref and says Dwayne dived. Dwayne was sent off. This is the 3rd time this season that John Lyons has done Town. I just hope that Town report him, what an absolute joke.
Then in last minute, Tramore guy punches ball off the line and no pen.
That said, Town weren't great yesterday but the officials were a scandal but John Lyons beat all

Didn't get to see this one unfortunately.....from speaking to some of the Town players and staff, the assistant was right as Burns had dived and conned the Ref....Big big call!! Are you implying Town Fan that the official is deliberately "doing" Town??

This subject really gets on my goat, a team gets beaten and no matter if it was Lyons, Teehan, Hadnett or even McKell officiating, the Officials were a disgrace and should be "reported". Just take your beatings and get on with it ffs.........................................:p

[Town Fan]

Didn't get to see this one unfortunately.....from speaking to some of the Town players and staff, the assistant was right as Burns had dived and conned the Ref....Big big call!! Are you implying Town Fan that the official is deliberately "doing" Town??

This subject really gets on my goat, a team gets beaten and no matter if it was Lyons, Teehan, Hadnett or even McKell officiating, the Officials were a disgrace and should be "reported". Just take your beatings and get on with it ffs.........................................:p

yes I am suggesting that this particular official is trying to do Town. Why did he wait so long to put up his flag. Once the ref gives the decision and has had a clear view of it, that is the end of the matter. the ref is in charge. Clonmel Town didn't play well Sunday and would not have deserved to be one up.
I am giving an honest opinion here. Town weren't good last Sunday but that does not excuse the official. We take our beatings here and we don't moan but we have reason to this time!!

[Quietman]

yes I am suggesting that this particular official is trying to do Town. Why did he wait so long to put up his flag. Once the ref gives the decision and has had a clear view of it, that is the end of the matter. the ref is in charge. Clonmel Town didn't play well Sunday and would not have deserved to be one up.
I am giving an honest opinion here. Town weren't good last Sunday but that does not excuse the official. We take our beatings here and we don't moan but we have reason to this time!!

Well, all I can say is I didn't see it, but as I said above I spoke t some of the lads involved in the team and they saw it very differently to you...they say Burns dived and was caught.......and as for calling the official a cheat!!! You honestly believe that he goes out before a game with the mind set that Town won't win if he can help it?? ........I know they all make mistakes but come on!! Really??..........I bet you thought Freibergs decision at the end of the Town V Celtic game was a great decision :rolleyes:

[Quietman]

"We take our beatings here and we don't moan but we have reason to this time!!"

Ye don't moan!! Are you serious?? Fools day is over right??

[Town Fan]

"We take our beatings here and we don't moan but we have reason to this time!!"

Ye don't moan!! Are you serious?? Fools day is over right??

Every club moans but please don't accuse us of moaning more than any other club. Freiberg's decision was a close call last week, I heard that the referee's assessor told him he got in right but I couldn't say whether it was correct or not. I was down the other end.
I stand over my claim that the official in question, has something personal against Town and I am not alone in that belief. People from other clubs have said much the same. He was wrong to get involved in that penalty incident last Sunday.
We can leave it at that, I won't change my view on that

[Quietman]

I heard that the referee's assessor told him he got in right but I couldn't say whether it was correct or not. I was down the other end.

So was the assessor!!

[Quietman]

I stand over my claim that the official in question, has something personal against Town and I am not alone in that belief. People from other clubs have said much the same.

Oh, must be true so!!:confused:



He was wrong to get involved in that penalty incident last Sunday.

Well if the referee was duped into giving a penalty and the assistant was positive that the player has deceived the ref, then he is obliged to get involved, so that the correct decision is awarded. And I heard the assessor told him he was right also!!:p

[MunsterMunch]

I think Celtic have Michaels and Rock Rovers at home and Cahir Park away! I think 36 points should get a play off at least!

[Roberto]

I think Celtic have Michaels and Rock Rovers at home and Cahir Park away! I think 36 points should get a play off at least!


Celtic have Rock, Bridge and Michaels all at home.

[Roberto]

Didn't get to see this one unfortunately.....from speaking to some of the Town players and staff, the assistant was right as Burns had dived and conned the Ref....Big big call!! Are you implying Town Fan that the official is deliberately "doing" Town??

This subject really gets on my goat, a team gets beaten and no matter if it was Lyons, Teehan, Hadnett or even McKell officiating, the Officials were a disgrace and should be "reported". Just take your beatings and get on with it ffs.........................................:p


I'm guessing Quietman is a ref?? It would be a help if once, maybe just once, a referee afterwards would put up his hand and admit an occasional mistake. But this never happens. Some of them go around as if they are Gods who dare not be questioned. As for them being approachable and asked to explain certain decisions don't go there. .

[Quietman]

I'm guessing Quietman is a ref?? It would be a help if once, maybe just once, a referee afterwards would put up his hand and admit an occasional mistake. But this never happens. Some of them go around as if they are Gods who dare not be questioned. As for them being approachable and asked to explain certain decisions don't go there. .

Guessing wrong my friend, I wouldn't put myself through the torture!!! But I'm a neutral and I just can't understand how people can have such a blinkered view of things.

Didn't the referee last weekend put his hand up?? after being told by his assistant that he was duped, he changed his decision and the outcome was that the correct decision was finally given.

As for them being Gods...really?? I also think that if they were approached in a proper manner then explanations might be given (depending on who is asking of course) Screaming and raoring isn't the way to do things. Some people involved in local football would really want to have a good look at themselves, there behaviour is disgraceful!!

[Tipp Top]

This debate about Ref’s could go on and on. The sad fact of the matter is the overall standard of ref’s throughout junior football is of a very low standard. Every team in the Tsdl has been wronged in some way this season some more so than others.
Quietman its hard for management staff and supporters not to start “screaming and roaring” These are the same people who are giving up 2 and 3 nights a week and in some cases their only day off at the weekend so they are entitled to have a go at some of the crazy decisions that are made by the ref’s. These Ref’s are human and it would be foolish of you to think that every ref doesn’t have his favourite teams this may be for many different reasons Relatives in clubs, where they live, who they are friends with, what pub they have a few drinks in, all these factors come in to play They shouldn’t but you would be foolish to think they don’t.

[Quietman]

This debate about Ref’s could go on and on. The sad fact of the matter is the overall standard of ref’s throughout junior football is of a very low standard. Every team in the Tsdl has been wronged in some way this season some more so than others.
Quietman its hard for management staff and supporters not to start “screaming and roaring” These are the same people who are giving up 2 and 3 nights a week and in some cases their only day off at the weekend so they are entitled to have a go at some of the crazy decisions that are made by the ref’s. These Ref’s are human and it would be foolish of you to think that every ref doesn’t have his favourite teams this may be for many different reasons Relatives in clubs, where they live, who they are friends with, what pub they have a few drinks in, all these factors come in to play They shouldn’t but you would be foolish to think they don’t.

Good post Tipp Top, I agree they will all make mistakes, we see this even at the highest level in the Premiership and Champions League, but at local level these guys and gals also give up there time for a small few bob to referee a game, not to be abused and ridiculed!! It' this behaviour that has referee numbers so low nationwide. And if guys have affiliations with Clubs, wether it be relatives or socially then they shouldn't be allowed referee those Clubs, but thats a matter for the Clubs to take up with the League!!

[Tipp Top]

I don’t feel that the clubs should even have to take this up with the league. The league committee are not fools either they know well what ref’s are affiliated with clubs throughout the Tsdl. They should have the cop on and the knowledge to stop this from happening. The ref’s do give up their time no question about that but as you said they are getting paid and paid well to be fair. Unlike most of the management and players who are involved for the love of their club and of the game. I feel that the day you are paying for something you are entitled to be treated in a fair manner. The clubs are the one’s paying the refs for their services and for that simple fact alone all the clubs deserve better than what they are getting at the moment.

[Quietman]

I don’t feel that the clubs should even have to take this up with the league. The league committee are not fools either they know well what ref’s are affiliated with clubs throughout the Tsdl. They should have the cop on and the knowledge to stop this from happening. The ref’s do give up their time no question about that but as you said they are getting paid and paid well to be fair. Unlike most of the management and players who are involved for the love of their club and of the game. I feel that the day you are paying for something you are entitled to be treated in a fair manner. The clubs are the one’s paying the refs for their services and for that simple fact alone all the clubs deserve better than what they are getting at the moment.

Well paid?? seriously?? For example a ref has to drive 20 miles to a game, thats a journey of 40 miles and he gets €44 for the match. And he also gives up his day off. Hardly well paid!! I would also believe that anyone who referees also has a huge love of the game. Why esle would anyone be mad enough to do it??? And as for Clubs being entitled to be treated fairly........ Clubs in our league need to remember that they are Junior Clubs are will therefore be reffed by Junior Referees, not pros, not Howard Webb!! Any referee showing potential will be moved up to a higher level...........

[Damo]

Didn't get to see this one unfortunately.....from speaking to some of the Town players and staff, the assistant was right as Burns had dived and conned the Ref....Big big call!! Are you implying Town Fan that the official is deliberately "doing" Town??

This subject really gets on my goat, a team gets beaten and no matter if it was Lyons, Teehan, Hadnett or even McKell officiating, the Officials were a disgrace and should be "reported". Just take your beatings and get on with it ffs.........................................:p

But when has McKell ever "done" Town???????

[Quietman]

But when has McKell ever "done" Town???????


Damo, That's exactly my point!! It doesn't matter who the ref is, Clubs will always find fault!!

You'd have to ask Town Fan if McKell has ever "done" them and how much McKell "hates" Town, I'm sure in Towns opinion he has "done" them several times..............................

[Damo]

Tipp Top and Q-Man both make valid points in relation to refs. Yes, clubmen - be they coaches, managers, officials or supporters get frustrated by the standard (or lack thereof) and deserve better and, yes, referees do give up their own time at the weekend to do games; evidently for the love the love of the game, considering the paltry remuneration they receive. But, you really have to wonder about the type of people attracted to refereeing junior football. This is not a problem unique to Tipperary. Junior refs, the country over, appear to be a breed apart. The majority just do not possess a modicum of people skills. That might sound a little like corporate/management speak and far removed from the qualities required to be a decent ref. But, if you really think about - how often have you approached a ref (without ROARING AND SHOUTING as someone already alluded to) and been given short shrift in an overly aggressive manner? I've never done a referee's course but when doing same aspiring refs must be inculcated with some kind of authoritarian/dictator type philosophy. It's akin to a normal everyday likeable guy entering the Garda College in Templemore and emerging 2 years later with some kind of personality transplant, or what could more accurately be described as their personality lobotomised (if such a thing exists!) Why can't referees (along with other authority figures in this country????) just learn to communicate with people? And why can't the FAI/leagues attract the type of person who does not aspire to becoming Pol Pot, every time he puts the referee's uniform on?

PS....Before the PC brigade jump on me for blasphemy in terms of our wonderful boys in blue these comments should be read in the tongue in cheek context in which they were intended. And, in that context, I'd just like to say that the majority of Guards and Refs have no people skills at all!

[Damo]

Damo, That's exactly my point!! It doesn't matter who the ref is, Clubs will always find fault!!

You'd have to ask Town Fan if McKell has ever "done" them and how much McKell "hates" Town, I'm sure in Towns opinion he has "done" them several times..............................

Ha ha - I needed a decent laugh!

[Town Fan]

Damo, That's exactly my point!! It doesn't matter who the ref is, Clubs will always find fault!!

You'd have to ask Town Fan if McKell has ever "done" them and how much McKell "hates" Town, I'm sure in Towns opinion he has "done" them several times..............................

I have never even mentioned Jimmy McKell. You’re the one who brought him up. Jimmy is a poor referee but I don't think he goes out to "do" anyone. I believe Jimmy has an ego problem but I must admit he has improved this season
You seem to have a problem with me and in particular Town. You ain't a neutral.I have looked back over your posts and you like having a go at me, Clonmel Town and Muiris Walsh
I think the ref's in South Tipp are on the whole quite good. I do however have a problem with John Lyons as I do believe he has something against Clonmel Town. Also a person who attends matches, Town are no worse or no better than anyone else when it comes to abusing officials. The abuse that is handed out to ref's is not right irrespective of how much they are paid.

[Quietman]

I have never even mentioned Jimmy McKell. You’re the one who brought him up. Jimmy is a poor referee but I don't think he goes out to "do" anyone. I believe Jimmy has an ego problem but I must admit he has improved this season
You seem to have a problem with me and in particular Town. You ain't a neutral.I have looked back over your posts and you like having a go at me, Clonmel Town and Muiris Walsh
I think the ref's in South Tipp are on the whole quite good. I do however have a problem with John Lyons as I do believe he has something against Clonmel Town. Also a person who attends matches, Town are no worse or no better than anyone else when it comes to abusing officials. The abuse that is handed out to ref's is not right irrespective of how much they are paid.

Jez now it's me who has a problem with Town!!:rolleyes:

All I have a problem with is moaning and passing blame.........:p

Also Town Fan when is disagreeing with someone and debating something "having a go" as you put it. Your sounding like an angry man!! Lighten up bud!

[complexman]

Jez now it's me who has a problem with Town!!:rolleyes:

All I have a problem with is moaning and passing blame.........:p

Also Town Fan when is disagreeing with someone and debating something "having a go" as you put it. Your sounding like an angry man!! Lighten up bud!

I must say Quietman, you can be very aggressive. I too have looked over you posts and the tone of your language can appear angry.
Anyway, in relation to the ref's, I have to agree that Johnny Lyons is anti Town. Him apart the refs are grand, they make mistakes but who doesn't.

[Quietman]

[QUOTE=Town Fan;1343858]Jimmy is a poor referee but I don't think he goes out to "do" anyone. I believe Jimmy has an ego problem but I must admit he has improved this season[QUOTE]

I only used McKells name as an example earlier but You seem to know "Jimmy" fairly well Town Fan. Is he a friend?? But I must say for such a "poor" referee as you put it, he seems to be doing vwell at Loi level. Is this where you've seen his improvements as I haven't seen much of him locally in years!!

[Quietman]

I must say Quietman, you can be very aggressive. I too have looked over you posts and the tone of your language can appear angry.
Anyway, in relation to the ref's, I have to agree that Johnny Lyons is anti Town. Him apart the refs are grand, they make mistakes but who doesn't.

Me!! angry?? Lord no!! Hope thats not the way I come across to everyone complexman.

You really think Lyons is anti Town though?? I'm surprised as I never saw him favour one side over another, yea he makes mistakes like them all but to say he deliberately does it. I dunno, its just hard to believe!!

[complexman]

[QUOTE=Town Fan;1343858]Jimmy is a poor referee but I don't think he goes out to "do" anyone. I believe Jimmy has an ego problem but I must admit he has improved this season[QUOTE]

I only used McKells name as an example earlier but You seem to know "Jimmy" fairly well Town Fan. Is he a friend?? But I must say for such a "poor" referee as you put it, he seems to be doing vwell at Loi level. Is this where you've seen his improvements as I haven't seen much of him locally in years!!

Jimmy McKell has done a few matches this season in the TSDL and yes he does appear to have gotten better. John Lyons has been involved in a number of poor decisions this season alone with Town. He got Ronan Stanley sent off for nothing, there was a blatant pen not given in cooke park, he failed to send off derek breen for a trip outside the box on tony scully and again last sunday.