Paul McShane

[irishfan86]

If we could combine McShane's desire with O'Shea's natural ability we'd have some player.

Such is life...

[NeilMcD]

Well I was watching that film The Fly at the weekend and I think it might be possible.

[Seagull-4-life]

He's been dropped alot recently. What do you think of the lad?

[micls]

He's been dropped alot recently. What do you think of the lad?

Was hugely over-rated a few months back.

Has potential, still young but has an awful lot to learn.

[dr_peepee]

Was hugely over-rated a few months back.

Has potential, still young but has an awful lot to learn.

There's difference between over rating and giving credit where it's due.

He was playing well, but was dropped and rightly so. Alot depends on who you play beside him.

[Stuttgart88]

He's been dropped alot recently.He's only been dropped once lately, he just hasn't got his place back!

I agree with Dr. Peepee, he should have been taken out of the firing line a while back. He's a decent player, great attitude but has a long way to go. It's tough when you're finding your feet as a defender in a weak team. I've seen plenty of good in him and plenty of carelessness and positioning errors too.

[NeilMcD]

Plus a lot is two words.

[OwlsFan]

If we could combine McShane's desire with O'Shea's natural ability we'd have some player.

Such is life...


Does O'Shea have "natural ability"? Granted he looks well balanced and poised when on the ball but that doesn't stop him giving it away half the time when he has to pass it!

[Billsthoughts]

He didnt seem to give it away as much when moved to central defence? no?
Central midfield he was terrible tho. But Kilbane suffers from the same thing.

[Superhoops]

If we could combine McShane's desire with O'Shea's natural ability we'd have some player.

Such is life...
Natural ability to what exactly? :confused:

[elroy]

His positional sense is quite poor in my opinion and because he isnt the quickest he really needs to work on it. I think this was really illustrated in the penalty he gave away against Wales, you could just see it coming. He had a good spell last year but needs to turn it around again.

[Seagull-4-life]

Ok jaysus leave my grammar alone!:D

He needs to get some confidence back but i think he's possibly our weakest player in our starting XI (if he makes it in)

[OwlsFan]

Natural ability to what exactly? :confused:

Swagger, throw shapes and turn his back on the ball ??

[dr_peepee]

Plus a lot is two words.

Isit?

[micls]

There's difference between over rating and giving credit where it's due.

He was playing well, but was dropped and rightly so. Alot depends on who you play beside him.

I agree with you, but I think he was hugely overrated by a lot of people, even though he was playing well.

He was practically being made out to be the saviour of Irish football and the Euro campaign at one stage, a bit too much pressure for a lad that young.

[the doc]

Poor technically, lacks pace, poor positioning and reading of the game, not rated by his fellow players but some fans rate him due to his committment.

Committment is not enough at the top level which is why he has been found out, pity Stan could not see it!

[irishfan86]

I don't care what anybody says, Ferguson would have shipped him out by now if he didn't have ability.

He's got a great touch for a defender, but just lacks in the decision making process at times.

I don't think this would be found out as much at centre half as they are the players least involved with ball possession (most of them anyway, you'll always get the odd Rio style centre-half).

[eirebhoy]

I really do think he has a very good football brain. He lacks the experience at the moment but he'll be learning a lot with every game he plays and every game he watches from the bench. I can't see him failing to have a successful international career. He's willing to learn unlike a lot of footballers. He puts an awful lot of thought into the game and he has the intelligence to take it in. I can't agree with those that think he lacks it. His style of play makes him look like a headless chicken but the same things are said about Scott Brown some times. He certainly doesn't lack football intelligence. I'm sure it was the same for players like Gattuso and Puyol.

[Ordinary Fan]

He was all the rage a few games back and now he is rubbish. We build up players to quickly without seeing if there is any substance, he never lacked for committment but any player who lacks pace in this position needs to be more physically dominant than Paul.
Premiership football is probally a level to high for him.

[eirebhoy]

he never lacked for committment but any player who lacks pace in this position needs to be more physically dominant than Paul.
If anything that's his strength. He dominates against the big men with not so much pace but I'd say someone like Kenny Miller or Craig Bellamy would be a nightmare for him.

[SunderlandBohs]

McShane is out of his depth. Championship at best. Glad he's out of the team. I'm sure people will notice are defence is a little bit more solid now with McShane in there.

[OwlsFan]

McShane is out of his depth. Championship at best. Glad he's out of the team. I'm sure people will notice are defence is a little bit more solid now with McShane in there.

:confused::confused:

[shakermaker1982]

One minute he is going to be a star.... now he should be the scrappers yard. The guy is going through a bad patch but if he learns from his mistakes he could become a very good player for us.

[SunderlandBohs]

:confused::confused:
We've kept clean sheets against Portsmouth, Birmingham,Wigan & Derby without McShane. We don't ship goals as easy as we didn't with Evans in the middle and Bardsley on the right. The stats prove this. We only kept to 2 clean sheets with McShane at the back. Plus he scored to own goals!!

[Morbo]

He is still young but I kind of doubt he will ever be a very good player(hope I'm wrong), his mental side of the game should improve with age but I don't think he is going to get any faster or grow a couple of inchs

[Paddy Garcia]

I don't care what anybody says, Ferguson would have shipped him out by now if he didn't have ability.


He did!

[Seagull-4-life]

He was talking about O'Shea

[nijboyle]

Ferguson usually makes the right decision when shipping players out, how many can you say have performed at the same standard required at united with different clubs? Ince? Kanchelskis? Beckham? Veron? Save for van nistlerooy though

[citizenerased]

stam ?
forlan ?

[eirebhoy]

He is still young but I kind of doubt he will ever be a very good player(hope I'm wrong), his mental side of the game should improve with age but I don't think he is going to get any faster or grow a couple of inchs
Again when he can dominate in the air against Koller, Berbatov, Benni McCarthy and Kevin Davies I don't think height is an issue.

[paul_oshea]

We've kept clean sheets against Portsmouth, Birmingham,Wigan & Derby without McShane. We don't ship goals as easy as we didn't with Evans in the middle and Bardsley on the right. The stats prove this. We only kept to 2 clean sheets with McShane at the back. Plus he scored to own goals!!

i pretended to ignore the other but i am going with owlsfan on this one :confused: :confused:

[SunderlandBohs]

i pretended to ignore the other but i am going with owlsfan on this one :confused: :confused:
It proves Sunderland's defence is bad but its not as bad as it was with McShane in it.

[OwlsFan]

Read what you actually said though my friend (ignoring the typo):


I'm sure people will notice are defence is a little bit more solid now with McShane in there.

[Irish_Praha]

McShane and Miller start today.

I hope McShane's lack of pace and limited first team match practice isn't badly exposed by the 3 strikers.
I'm not sure if he starts a RB or CB though.

[adamcarr]

He scored a terrible og but it was disallowed.

[Irish_Praha]

Is he playing at RB or CB?
I just saw the lineup on Sportinglife and the way the team is listed it looks like RB and that Reid has been shunted out to LMF to accomodate Miller in CMF, which is a not what we need if we want Reid to develop his skills as a CMF playmaker.

However, sometimes Sportinglife write the lineups in a bit of a random order. If I knew a bit more about their non-Irish players and where they normally play then I could figure it out ;).

[Razors left peg]

Is he playing at RB or CB?
I just saw the lineup on Sportinglife and the way the team is listed it looks like RB and that Reid has been shunted out to LMF to accomodate Miller in CMF, which is a not what we need if we want Reid to develop his skills as a CMF playmaker.

However, sometimes Sportinglife write the lineups in a bit of a random order. If I knew a bit more about their non-Irish players and where they normally play then I could figure it out ;).

Mc Shane at right back... Reid playing off the front man

[hoops1]

Mc Shane and Miller were atrocious probably the two worst players on the pitch.How Mc Shane lasted so long I dont know. Murphy wasnt much better.

[OwlsFan]

Mc Shane and Miller were atrocious probably the two worst players on the pitch.How Mc Shane lasted so long I dont know. Murphy wasnt much better.


Felt sorry for McShane. He really tried hard but very little came off. They weren't the worst players though. That honour belonged to Geremi who was brutal.

[shakermaker1982]

I love Miller's pass out of defence that led to the penalty........shocking stuff.

[FarBeag]

He was terrible. Everything went wrong for him, passing, positional sense, pace etc etc. Replaced by Ian Harte just prove how bad he was. Not an International player imo. I can’t fault his effort but I have really only seen him play a handful of games where he came out with any sort of credit.Same applied to Miller and Murphy. Reid was his usual industrious self and Duff looked good for the twenty minutes or so he played.

[Condex]

He was terrible. Everything went wrong for him, passing, positional since, pace etc etc. Replaced by Ian Harte just prove how bad he was. Not an International player imo. I can’t fault his effort but I have really only seen him play a handful of games where he came out with any sort of credit.Same applied to Miller and Murphy. Reid was his usual industrious self and Duff looked good for the twenty minutes or so he played.

Yup, he came up trumps today for me.
Was going to bet on Sunderland not to loose, but when I heard that Evans and Bardsley were out and McShane was in I stuck £30 on Newcastle..

McShane is out of his depth in the premiership most likely will be sold in the summer to a Championship side...

[paulie_walnuts]

Hopefully this performance added to countless other inept performances for Sunderland will once and for all put an end to the Paul McShane jizzfest, that started thanks to one decent performance, against the Czechs. Dunne and O'Shea (much as I dislike him) is the only viable central defensive partnership. After that, we're in trouble.

[the doc]

I think this brings into question as to why the likes of McShane are being selected ahead of more talented players available to Ireland, perhaps a certain Mr DG, could answer that!

[paulie_walnuts]

How on earth has said DG held onto his job for so long? Year after year of sh!te, when other underage teams have done so well, it beggers belief.

[reder]

Watched the Sunderland game yesterday and thought they were very poor. McShane and Miller were both woeful, Andy Reid played as well as any Sunderland player.

I think they have enough points to stay up this season and will pick up a few more against Boro and Bolton but they need to get in a few more players for next season.

On a side note, I thought Newcastle were ok and will be in the same mid-table position next season. Owen's post match interview was terrible. It is so obvious that he is not commited to Newcastle and he will be gone with the first good offer.

[Pike B]

How in the name of all that's sacred is this man being paid to play football??? He's the worst player I've seen since Lee Chapman.. I watched the Newcastle game and he is terrible. So bad.. I think Keano is losing it..

[Dr. Ogba]

Jaysus lads talk about extreme opinions - he's either the next Paul McGrath or the next Paul Butler. Come on, it's blatently obvious that the guy is at a real low ebb at the moment, I watched the game and would agree that he was very poor but this does happen when you haven't played a game in a long time and are low on confidence (not to mention playing out of position)
I think people are forgetting that he's a young, inexperienced centre-half that is playing his first season in the top flight and, given our complete lack of depth in that position, I'm not willing to write him off just yet. Some of the comments on here are just ridiculous ("He's the worst player I've seen since Lee Chapman")

Granted he's not as good a player as Evans but then again Evans would walk into our starting line-up ahead of any of our alternatives aswell...

[RivaldoBabb]

McShane was shocking against newcastle, in fact its been a long time since i seen a defender play as bad...apart from John O shea of course who is consistently shocking.

Mind you, Stephen Kelly wasnt much better against villa, ashley young took him to the cleaners at will.

Pray Finann returns to help out Richard Dunne or we have no chance in qualification in our group.

[Pike B]

Jaysus lads talk about extreme opinions - he's either the next Paul McGrath or the next Paul Butler. Come on, it's blatently obvious that the guy is at a real low ebb at the moment, I watched the game and would agree that he was very poor but this does happen when you haven't played a game in a long time and are low on confidence (not to mention playing out of position)
I think people are forgetting that he's a young, inexperienced centre-half that is playing his first season in the top flight and, given our complete lack of depth in that position, I'm not willing to write him off just yet. Some of the comments on here are just ridiculous ("He's the worst player I've seen since Lee Chapman")

Granted he's not as good a player as Evans but then again Evans would walk into our starting line-up ahead of any of our alternatives aswell...
Sorry mate, but it's true. Lee Bloody Chapman....