Paul McShane

[Fixer82]

His positioning is bad.
Henry cheated.
That's it in a nutshell.
His positioning is very bad though.
He takes a chance by letting it bounce and hopes nobody will get in behind.
He doesn't know anyone is there because he's facing toward goal

[Charlie Darwin]

Why wouldn't he be facing the goal? I'd imagine he'd have been even further away from Henry if he'd been running backwards like you seem to be suggesting.

[Drumcondra 69er]

Never take a chance on letting it go out if a striker of that quality is behind you. it was a bad decision. He should have cleared it. Henry could have kept it in with his knee. How does McShane know what Henry's body position is when he's behind him?
Just clear the ball, get it out, corner throw-in, whatever. Don't let it bounce. This is Under-12s stuff.


I'm sorry but that post is utter boll0x. Henry could have kept it in with his knee?????? Give over, that's absolute horse****, he needed a touch with his hand to prevent it going straight out for a goal kick and another to bring it down from just under chest height onto his foot. The ball was bouncing up higher had he not stopped it with his hand first time. His knee???? Dear me, heard it all now. :D

And I agree his positioning was bad but that happens regularly in most games and never gets picked up because the opposition don't cheat. No one that I spoke to at the game or on any panel I saw recordings of afterwards was pulling McShane up about the incident till Keane opened his mouth a couple of days later and the sheeple jumped on the bandwagon. I've said it before, had McShane put that out for a corner and we'd conceded from it the exact same people would have been on his case for that decision.

[Drumcondra 69er]

Hyperbole horse$hit. It wasnt wildly overhit, it landed smack in the middle of a very dangerous area, given his chance again Henry may have stuck an outstretched right boot on to it and ended up with the same end result.

McShane didnt consider what Henry could or couldnt do because he was completely unaware he was lurking just behind him such was his poor positioning.

The ball was bouncing out of play above chest height on the touchline, Inspector Gadget would have been struggling to control that with an outstretched right boot.

[Junior]

The ball was bouncing out of play above chest height on the touchline, Inspector Gadget would have been struggling to control that with an outstretched right boot.

Not if he caught it on the bounce, which is what I stated. Watch the clip again (0.35 onwards), he could 'possibly' have done that imo without the need of any assistance from quantam physics. My point here is that it was a very dangerous ball/situation versus your 'it was a wayward overhitpass going safely out for a goal kick' - I guess we wont reconcile that point and its no biggy.

Anyway, this one is going round and round in circles. I'm well able of forming my own opinions and would have the same opinion with or without Roys own views on this matter.

[Fixer82]

I'm sorry but that post is utter boll0x. Henry could have kept it in with his knee?????? Give over, that's absolute horse****, he needed a touch with his hand to prevent it going straight out for a goal kick and another to bring it down from just under chest height onto his foot. The ball was bouncing up higher had he not stopped it with his hand first time. His knee???? Dear me, heard it all now. :D

And I agree his positioning was bad but that happens regularly in most games and never gets picked up because the opposition don't cheat. No one that I spoke to at the game or on any panel I saw recordings of afterwards was pulling McShane up about the incident till Keane opened his mouth a couple of days later and the sheeple jumped on the bandwagon. I've said it before, had McShane put that out for a corner and we'd conceded from it the exact same people would have been on his case for that decision.

Read back what I said.
Maybe I didn't articulate properly.
What I was saying was, for all McShane knew, Henry could have controlled it with his knee because McShane did not know Henry's position because McShane was taking a chance on letting it bounce and he was facing goal.
He should not have let it bounce and he should have been side on from goal, aware of the danger coming towards it.
If he was further back with his back to the endline he has a better view and a better attack on the incoming ball.

We are definitely going around in circles.
The fact is, if Henry hadn't cheated, McShane would have gotten away with his gamble of leaving it go out and hoping nobody was coming in behind.
But it doesn't matter at this stage really.
I like McShane, I admire his heart and his desire to play for his country any chance he gets.
i just don't think he's a very good defender.

[DannyInvincible]

If he was further back with his back to the endline he has a better view and a better attack on the incoming ball.

On this point, and to be fair to McShane, our defence was holding a line just inside the box as the free-kick came in. As a result, McShane was left running back towards the endline whilst also trying to keep an eye on the approaching ball. If he'd been positioned further back when the free-kick was taken, he'd have compromised that line. The linesman also happened to miss Squillaci standing in an off-side position.

[BonnieShels]

Can we please stop talking about that bloody goal. It kills me to even think about it.

[IsMiseSean]

Can we please stop talking about that bloody goal. It kills me to even think about it.

I agree with Bonnie.
Lets look forward to the many more defensive mishaps to come...

[osarusan]

Not to add to the 'debate', but i'm pretty sure McShane was highlighted as not doing his job by the RTE panel after the game, and I certainly felt so even while watching the replays.

It certainly wasn't un-noticed until Keane said something a couple of days later.

[SolitudeRed]

BBC Sport reported that he has been offered a new deal while 12 other players including Devitt have been released...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22510912

[Charlie Darwin]

Kealan Dillon is one of ours too.

[tricky_colour]

Well good for Paul they obviously think he can do a job for them, will be interesting to see how much we see
of him. Obviously not really seen anything of him whilst he has been in the Championship.
He is only 27 now so was pretty young in the Henri incident. Had he had a bit more experience at the time he might have taken Henri's head off with his elbow :)

[Fixer82]

Best of luck to him!

[gastric]

Has got a new two year deal which is good news for him and will have the Premiership terrified!

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/ireland-star-paul-mcshane-signs-new-deal-with-hull-29406623.html

[Crosby87]

McShane overcomes fan nasties claims everyones favorite paper:
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/333205/Hull-s-Paul-McShane-is-on-the-up-after-years-of-fan-and-pundit-abuse

[tetsujin1979]

Returns for Hull today

[OwlsFan]

To be merged with the other Paul McShane thread ? He's so good he's got two threads.

Whatever his limitations, he is certainly streets ahead of Bruce's son who has taken his place in the team. Nepotism is alive and well in Hull.

[tetsujin1979]

hmm, merging the two threads would render the resultant thread almost unreadable. This one is more established, with more than twice the number of pages of the other one, so I've locked the other thread and pointed at this one as the official thread

[tricky_colour]

hmm, merging the two threads would render the resultant thread almost unreadable. This one is more established, with more than twice the number of pages of the other one, so I've locked the other thread and pointed at this one as the official thread


Well let's face it most threads are unreadable anyway because they consist of several different topics mangled into one with no obvious beginning or ending point for the point/issue being discussed.

And that is the issue, people discuss issues, not players, when a post about one issue is followed by a post by a separate issue (albeit by concerning the same player) it does not make sense and it hard to follow.

Locking the thread is not helpful because it makes it impossible for people to reply to particular issues raise.

The purpose of a forum is for discussion not for building one huge mangled mess of threads about one player, doing that makes it very hard to see what is being discusssed.

[Stuttgart88]

I think if you're a regular on this forum you'll be able to follow all discussions easily enough. I think the current format works really well and it's differentiates foot.ie from forums for people with goldfish like attention spans.

[OwlsFan]

What's that you said ?

[DannyInvincible]

I think if you're a regular on this forum you'll be able to follow all discussions easily enough. I think the current format works really well and it's differentiates foot.ie from forums for people with goldfish like attention spans.

It's better organised and less frenetic under the current format. I find this way easier to follow, personally (as opposed to the high-turnover approach favoured elsewhere). If there is something you're looking for that you know has been discussed on here at some point in the past, you can also be pretty sure of which thread is best to start looking in.

Using the 'quote' function can help tie related posts together and helps ensure fluidity and consistency in threads where there might be multiple discussions going on simultaneously. I think most are conscientious of that. I don't think I've ever had any difficulty deciphering what someone has posted in response to here. Well, except for when Paul has posted, obviously. :p

[tricky_colour]

I think if you're a regular on this forum you'll be able to follow all discussions easily enough. I think the current format works really well and it's differentiates foot.ie from forums for people with goldfish like attention spans.

It can work sometime, especially if you are following something closely but other
time can look into a thread and find a discussion where I am not sure of the beginning or end.

I guess that can happen with any system though, threads can often drift off topic
And you may have to look back some way to find out what is being discussed.

[DeLorean]

Happy Birthday Paul McShane! (https://twitter.com/pmacca15/status/552822719268790272/photo/1)

[Paddy Garcia]

What did Jonathan Pearce say about him?

[Stuttgart88]

Something like "there's still some pace in the 36 year old's legs".

[paul_oshea]

Ya if he was 36 he would be grand. He let one ball go in the penalty box that he could have cleared at once and ended up giving a free, but i remember thinking he was kinda right to try and control it rather than hoof it clear, but experience tells you give away the throw just to be on the safe side, unless you are barcelona.

Can anyone find the link betweeen bohs fans and shamrock rovers fans and your average moderate mulsim who denounce these islamist fanatics?

[Charlie Darwin]

Scored for Hull today at Swansea but they lost 3-1 in the end after Meyler was sent off.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Frequently ends up in Hull fans top 3 for MOTM on not606 whenever he does play.

He seems to be a bit of a cult hero for them.

Good instinctive striker's finish at the weekend.

[elroy]

Any chance mcshane could develop like Richard Dunne did to become a solid defender in the latter half of his career. Just always get the feeling with mcshane that he has a big error in him in every game

[tricky_colour]

Any chance mcshane could develop like Richard Dunne did to become a solid defender in the latter half of his career. Just always get the feeling with mcshane that he has a big error in him in every game

Who knows? I think Dunne was always recognised as having great potential, Paul's statistics do show improvement and I think he
has done better than a lot on here expected, he is one of our better players in the stats, he is rated higher than Brady or Meyler, I think he
can continue to improve, experience usually helps iron out mistakes provided you learn from them.

He certainly had a big error against France, and I have not seen him do that again (yet!!) so he must have learned from it!

[Stuttgart88]

Any chance mcshane could develop like Richard Dunne did to become a solid defender in the latter half of his career. Just always get the feeling with mcshane that he has a big error in him in every game
I think he already has become a better defender. He's a victim of that horrible Irish affliction: he's not a Champions League superstar, he's a ginger, so he's cr@p.

[paul_oshea]

Ah dunne had come on a lot more by around 24/25, McShane is 29.

[tetsujin1979]

Who knows? I think Dunne was always recognised as having great potential, Paul's statistics do show improvement and I think he
has done better than a lot on here expected, he is one of our better players in the stats, he is rated higher than Brady or Meyler, I think he
can continue to improve, experience usually helps iron out mistakes provided you learn from them.

He certainly had a big error against France, and I have not seen him do that again (yet!!) so he must have learned from it!
I can't remember another incident of him letting an offside player handle the ball twice either

[CraftyToePoke]

Was Dunne not more a case of sorting his lifestyle out off the field though ?

[SwanVsDalton]

He's a victim of that horrible Irish affliction: he's not a Champions League superstar, he's a ginger, so he's cr@p.

It's exactly that prejudice that put paid to my burgeoning football career. If people had of given me a chance, they'd know my crapness had nothing to do with being ginger.

[SkStu]

Now that I know you're ginger, SvD, no more thanks from me.

[paul_oshea]

It all makes sense now.

[tricky_colour]

I can't remember another incident of him letting an offside player handle the ball twice either

Well it just shows how far he comes since then.

[SwanVsDalton]

Now that I know you're ginger, SvD, no more thanks from me.


It all makes sense now.

Et tu foot.ie? The fight goes on....

[tricky_colour]

The lad is made of stern stuff!!

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/24/21/290A063700000578-3095248-image-a-50_1432499414223.jpg


http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article5755144.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/Hull-v-Man-United.jpg


Was just wondering though, they leave the stitched wound open to the elements.
Would of thought they might put a bandage on it at least for the rest of the match.

To his credit Paul went on to finish the match.


http://images.halloweencostumes.com/products/15578/1-1/adult-mummified-costume.jpg

[seanfhear]

Deserves credit for his battling qualities .

Fellani doesn't come out of that "tackle" looking good.

[tricky_colour]

Fellani vicious sort imo, but having said that, I don't particularly dislike him as a player, he is one of the 'characters' of the game I suppose.

[OwlsFan]

Fellani vicious sort imo, but having said that, I don't particularly dislike him as a player, he is one of the 'characters' of the game I suppose.

Sky didn't pick up on it but about 3 or 4 minutes before Fellani's assault, McShane had put in a strong tackle on him and words were exchanged between the two so Fellani's assault was pre-meditated. Nice to see the Hull crowd giving McShane a warm round of applause.

[mark12345]

I have given him plenty of stick in recent times, but have to day that he did show up well for Hull yesterday. With all our problems at international level (in defence) it is not beyond the realms of possibility that he could be used against England / Scotland.

[KK77]

Like he said when he came on to twitter the night they beat Liverpool we go again well he will go again in the championship in August!

[Charlie Darwin]

This is an Ireland message board, not a Liverpool one. Hull getting relegated is bad for our national team, I couldn't care less about whether he made a comment about some English club or other.

[DeLorean]

I wouldn't mind, the comment was completely harmless and I don't even think he was mocking Liverpool, despite the suspicious wording. Here it is in its full context.


Big step in the right direction tonight but it's not over till it's over!! We go again.

[KK77]

This is an Ireland message board, not a Liverpool one. Hull getting relegated is bad for our national team, I couldn't care less about whether he made a comment about some English club or other.

Exactly and Paul will go again in August. Sad to see an "Ireland player" go down but he will go again!