NI boss targets Republic's Gibson [Archive] - Page 14

EalingGreen

05/09/2007, 7:44 PM

Well id hardly make it up for the sake of it would I. I gave as good as i got on are weea country, thats all. I cant help it if those anti irish biggots could'nt handle someone having different opinions to them.

Yes I implied that in the past UVF flags were flown at windsor park, as recently as when ireland beat the north 4-0 in belfast as i said under an atmosphere of the most vile secetarian hatred ever witnessed at a football match in Ireland. Provoked my bull about what happened when ireland played israel.

As for sqeeling to admin. Your some rat!!!

Actually, at the same time as those "anti irish biggots" [sic] were having to hold their sides for fear of popping a rib at your posts, another new poster ("Fly") was also posting "pro-Irish" opinions which were contrary to what the majority of OWC members believe (He is a Northerner, from a Catholic/Nationalist background, who supports ROI).
Yet he was warmly received, without demur.
And the difference? Fly's contributions were thoughtful, reasonable and reasoned - all the things which your feeble-minded efforts were not.

And no, you did not "imply" that UVF flags were flown at Windsor, you boldly stated it as a fact, without any qualification as to date etc. I have been attending NI games at Windsor for nearly 40 years and bad as things were at times, I never once saw any such flags at any game. When did you last attend an NI game at Windsor, to make you such an expert?

And as for my "sqeeling" [sic] to Admin:
1. When you post claims on a public forum, don't be surprised when a member of the public relays them to another public forum which has been disparaged by you;
2. "Rats" don't tend to publicise their "sqeeling" - I made no secret of what I was doing; if you were banned, it was for being an idiot, and an offensive one, at that...

P.S. I'm still waiting to see the evidence of who from OWC threatened you with legal action, and on what grounds. :rolleyes:

Paddy Garcia

05/09/2007, 7:52 PM

P.S. I'm still waiting to see the evidence of who from OWC threatened you with legal action, and on what grounds. :rolleyes:

Guys - not just yourself Ealing - yous must have spent more time, energy & words on this than FIFA, Gibson & the FAI combined.

I don't think FIFA, the FAI or Gibson are arsed. It's over.

SaucyJack

05/09/2007, 8:20 PM

Sorry if already brought up, but do the FIFA rules apply to the women's team also? Laura Hislop( I believe from Belfast) has been playing for the Irish senior team for a couple of years now.

lopez

05/09/2007, 8:26 PM

..I have been attending NI games at Windsor for nearly 40 years and bad as things were at times, I never once saw any such flags at any game. When did you last attend an NI game at Windsor, to make you such an expert?...Being a proscribed organisation, wouldn't any UVF flag would have been deemed illegal? Another flag I've never seen there is the Irish tricolour, but that too was illegal. Funny place about flags.

To be honest, we can't take responsibility for our fellow fans political views. What we shouldn't do is live in denial about it. You know, if I could prove you wrong about this I would, but I'd lie if I ever seen that at a NI game (King Billy scarves, SAS 3 - IRA 0 scarves, 'No Surrender' and 'The Sash' yes). The only international football games I've seen UVF flags at, were England games twice: In a photo from a mag from an away game against Moldova, and on TV during Euro 2004.

FarBeag

05/09/2007, 8:31 PM

Thats the bottom line so. Is'nt it.

P.S Admin in OWC have threatened me with legal action because i said "Are weea country" rather than "Our Wee Country".

Could you imagine? What are you in for????

Kingdom Kerry. No offence intended, but you were way our of your dept over there. Granted, you made a few valid points but you wrote some really stupid things as well.

Let these guys have their enjoyment, (it wont last very long) some of them are creaming it because their post count went over 100 and still going.

One thing�s for sure, they have a serious dislike for their neighbors down south(football wise anyway)

co. down green

05/09/2007, 8:38 PM

Sorry if already brought up, but do the FIFA rules apply to the women's team also? Laura Hislop( I believe from Belfast) has been playing for the Irish senior team for a couple of years now.

shhhhhhh !!

Don't broadcast it man.

Dumb & Dumber (Wells & Worthington) will be saying she was tapped up:D:D

EalingGreen

05/09/2007, 8:44 PM

Being a proscribed organisation, wouldn't any UVF flag would have been deemed illegal? Another flag I've never seen there is the Irish tricolour, but that too was illegal. Funny place about flags.

To be honest, we can't take responsibility for our fellow fans political views. What we shouldn't do is live in denial about it. You know, if I could prove you wrong about this I would, but I'd lie if I ever seen that at a NI game (King Billy scarves, SAS 3 - IRA 0 scarves, 'No Surrender' and 'The Sash' yes). The only international football games I've seen UVF flags at, were England games twice: In a photo from a mag from an away game against Moldova, and on TV during Euro 2004.

Re. your first paragraph, what is your obsession about an old, discontinued law on flags in NI? This is at least the third time you've brought it up (to my knowledge) and it's utterly irrelevant. As for the Tricolour at Windsor, I believe you when you say you've not seen those, either. Then again, I don't suppose you get to many Cliftonville away games....

As for your second paragraph, oh ffs...

[Why did I almost respond to the utter irrelevance of your wittering on about watching Ingurland on TV? :confused:]

EalingGreen

05/09/2007, 8:58 PM

Kingdom Kerry. No offence intended, but you were way our of your dept over there. Granted, you made a few valid points but you wrote some really stupid things as well.

Careful now, FB, or Kingdom Kerry Katona will have you for ratting on him, as well, you sqeeler! ;)

Plastic Paddy

05/09/2007, 9:17 PM

You hope. We're talking about your nugget of an a*se malteser about players not being able to choose the country they want at will (a common piece of cr*p that is aired ad nauseum on 'are we a country?'. It doesn't change what FIFA think about Gibson. He's Irish, and once again, it's you that has to lobby FIFA to close this loophole, in which case the loophole of picking naturalised Britons not resident in NI will also come to an end.

It's a fair cop Senor. I'm actually at the stage where I'd love to have a beer and a chat with EG (because he seems like a man of reasoning and I admire that in my Nordies - Bill McC is a prime example - and EG is only just down the 207 bus route after all) but I'd love to **** on Worthington from his toes to his head and back again. It's irrational, I know, but I remember when I developed a hatred of sorts for Nigel - it was in one of the run-up game to the 1986 World Cup and he gloated the words to 'God Save Our Irredentist Inbred German Queen' to at least two of his RC teammates (MO'N and GA, and he was caught square on camera in the act). Can't stand the c*nt even now. His conduct over the supposed question of Darron Gibson's allegiance and eligibility only reinforces my opinion of the greasy sh*tsack. Typical hairy-knuckled loyalist - "you can pick any team you want so long as it sings GSTQ". Sorry Nige, but no fecking chance. Those days are long gone. GFY. And in my opinion good luck to Gibson and all that follow in expressing their freely-held allegiance when representing their (and my) country.

:ball: PP

geysir

05/09/2007, 9:42 PM

I have to admit I have not a clue what Lopez is on about.
Maybe Ealing Green has some idea, so they can have a conversation of sorts.

Now there is a spill over of the kingdom kerry cr�p from OWC onto this forum. This thread is getting like a Palestinian refugee camp in Lebanon.

Maybe Ealing Green isn't satisfied with the level of debate on OWC.
How come the OWC lot haven't a football forum that is worthy of spending any time to post a decent debate except a
'Healy is great, all agreed say aye'.
'Gibson is a beggar', all agreed say aye' for 98 pages
'A Night in November' is sh�te, all agreed say aye' for 30 pages

I think they could do with a loan of youngirish for few days.

lopez

05/09/2007, 10:06 PM

Re. your first paragraph, what is your obsession about an old, discontinued law on flags in NI? This is at least the third time you've brought it up (to my knowledge) and it's utterly irrelevant...Oh dear! Off topic again? :rolleyes:

I think the question you should ask first is what was your 'country's' obsession with one national flag, they have to make it illegal to fly it. Answer is basically the same as your obsession with trying to prevent Irish people playing for their country.

EalingGreen

05/09/2007, 10:10 PM

It's a fair cop Senor. I'm actually at the stage where I'd love to have a beer and a chat with EG (because he seems like a man of reasoning and I admire that in my Nordies - Bill McC is a prime example - and EG is only just down the 207 bus route after all) but I'd love to **** on Worthington from his toes to his head and back again. It's irrational, I know, but I remember when I developed a hatred of sorts for Nigel - it was in one of the run-up game to the 1986 World Cup and he gloated the words to 'God Save Our Irredentist Inbred German Queen' to at least two of his RC teammates (MO'N and GA, and he was caught square on camera in the act). Can't stand the c*nt even now. His conduct over the supposed question of Darron Gibson's allegiance and eligibility only reinforces my opinion of the greasy sh*tsack. Typical hairy-knuckled loyalist - "you can pick any team you want so long as it sings GSTQ". Sorry Nige, but no fecking chance. Those days are long gone. GFY. And in my opinion good luck to Gibson and all that follow in expressing their freely-held allegiance when representing their (and my) country.

:ball: PP

I'd be more than happy to share a pint with you and Bill (I'm sure he owes me one, anyhow!) and have a natter about football and the rest. Maybe even take in a game sometime? I get along to Brentford now and again and have also been to Craven Cottage to watch "Ulster on Thames FC" a few times this season already. (I'd invite you to WHL, but I can barely get tickets for myself, these days)

Maybe I could convert you from your hatred of Nigel W, since I've never heard anything to suggest he is a "Typical hairy-knuckled loyalist". Indeed, I'd have said his track record disproves that completely.

For one thing, he was brought to Norwich by Bryan Hamilton in 1999 to be his Assistant. Hamilton, who does not have a sectarian bone in his body, will have known NW very well, so I can't see his having anything to do with a bigot. And when NW replaced Hamilton, he was appointed by Delia Smith, who always stuck by him, even after Norwich fans were calling for his head.
Now as it happens Delia, is known to be a particularly devout Catholic, going to church sometimes daily. So it's possible, but highly unlikely, that those two could strike up such a good relationship. And whilst at Norwich, two of his most prominent players were Paul McVeigh and Phil Mulryne, both from a Nationalist Belfast background. Yet far from shunning them, he kept them at Carrow Road for years, even discouraging them from turning out for NI, citing convenient "injuries", which miraculously always seemed to heal before City's next game (Delia's prayers, perhaps?).

And even since taking over the NI job, his two most notable actions have been to appoint a Rasharkin Catholic (Chris Baird) as his first captain, then approach two more (Catholic) "defectors" to the ROI, Gibson and Kane, to assure them that the door was not closed to them should they choose to come back to NI.

Sneaky and duplicitous, maybe, but I really can't see any of that going down too well in the Lodge, can you? ;)

EalingGreen

05/09/2007, 10:13 PM

I have to admit I have not a clue what Lopez is on about.
Maybe Ealing Green has some idea, so they can have a conversation of sorts.

I think they could do with a loan of youngirish for few days.

Oh dear God, whatever I've done forgive me; I'll do anything you want, if it means I avoid having to converse with Lopez...

Except, maybe, converse with Young Irish...:eek:

EalingGreen

05/09/2007, 10:16 PM

Oh dear! Off topic again? :rolleyes:

I think the question you should ask first is what was your 'country's' obsession with one national flag, they have to make it illegal to fly it. Answer is basically the same as your obsession with trying to prevent Irish people playing for their country.

It's over, Lopez, let it lie - you can fly any bloody flag you like in NI these days. Oliver Cromwell is dead, too...:rolleyes:

kingdomkerry

05/09/2007, 10:32 PM

Kingdom Kerry. No offence intended, but you were way our of your dept over there. Granted, you made a few valid points but you wrote some really stupid things as well.

Let these guys have their enjoyment, (it wont last very long) some of them are creaming it because their post count went over 100 and still going.

One thing�s for sure, they have a serious dislike for their neighbors down south(football wise anyway)

I was only trying to rise them. I had my fun. Going to concentrate on Slovakia now.

tricky_colour

06/09/2007, 1:36 AM

Can't see FIFA tearing up the Good Friday Agrement somehow.
And trying to force a player to play for you tends to make the North look rather pathetic. They are just making fools of themselves.

osarusan

06/09/2007, 2:18 AM

I was only trying to rise them. I had my fun. Going to concentrate on Slovakia now.

An admitted WUM, complaining about being banned!!!!

Not Brazil

06/09/2007, 8:38 AM

Can't see FIFA tearing up the Good Friday Agrement somehow.
And trying to force a player to play for you tends to make the North look rather pathetic. They are just making fools of themselves.

It's got nothing to do with the GFA - it's about FIFA's eligibility rules.

How can you "force" a player to play for you? That's a silly comment.:rolleyes:

Gibson is eligible to play for Northern Ireland - he was asked would he like to, and politely refused.

I know of no Northern Ireland fan who would want a shirt wasted by a player who was "forced" (under duress) to wear it.

Is somebody going to drag him to games kicking and yelling? :rolleyes:

Gibson will never wear a Northern Ireland shirt - I accept his decision on that.

geysir

06/09/2007, 9:08 AM

It's about time that someone from the OWC has accepted FIFA's eligibility rules for what they are. :)

Not Brazil

06/09/2007, 9:14 AM

It's about time that someone from the OWC has accepted FIFA's eligibility rules for what they are. :)

geysir,

As I have said before, all I want is for FIFA to make a definative, public, statement on this.

We get clarification - we both move on accordingly, based on the ruling.

I think it's important that there is no "falling out" between the FAI & IFA too - maybe I'm being unrealistic, but I would like to see the pair of them work something out to their mutual satisfaction.

A "falling out" is not good - what impact will it have on the Setanta Cup (a competition which I thoroughly enjoy) for example?

Beyond that, I don't care....so long as Northern Ireland field only players who are committed to our cause.

youngirish

06/09/2007, 9:42 AM

It's got nothing to do with the GFA - it's about FIFA's eligibility rules.

How can you "force" a player to play for you? That's a silly comment.:rolleyes:

Gibson is eligible to play for Northern Ireland - he was asked would he like to, and politely refused.

I know of no Northern Ireland fan who would want a shirt wasted by a player who was "forced" (under duress) to wear it.

Is somebody going to drag him to games kicking and yelling? :rolleyes:

Gibson will never wear a Northern Ireland shirt - I accept his decision on that.

So why are you and many of your countrymen determined to prevent the lad playing for a country that he does want to play for then? What gain do you achieve by preventing players that want to play for the ROI from playing for that team if you as you claim don't want them to play for NI anyway?

You and EG keep stating that you just want to ensure the rules are upheld. What a load of crap. FIFA were happy to leave things the way they were until the IFA intervened so that argument is pure rubbish.

As for me posting my thoughts over on ourweecountry.com. No chance. It's frustrating enough reading the dribble they write slating other people's posts unreasonably.

Not Brazil

06/09/2007, 9:44 AM

So why are you and many of your countrymen determined to prevent the lad playing for a country that he does want to play for then?

Personally speaking, not so.

If he's eligible for the ROI, good luck to him - and anyone else who wants to follow a similar path.

co. down green

06/09/2007, 10:44 AM

geysir,

As I have said before, all I want is for FIFA to make a definative, public, statement on this.

We get clarification - we both move on accordingly, based on the ruling.

I think it's important that there is no "falling out" between the FAI & IFA too - maybe I'm being unrealistic, but I would like to see the pair of them work something out to their mutual satisfaction.

A "falling out" is not good - what impact will it have on the Setanta Cup (a competition which I thoroughly enjoy) for example?

Beyond that, I don't care....so long as Northern Ireland field only players who are committed to our cause.

[QUOTE=Not Brazil;764952]geysir,

Not Brazil?

FIFA have already given their ruling on the matter.

I'm not sure what you mean by clarification, is 'the existing situation in Northern Ireland allows players to choose whether they wish to represent Northern Ireland or the Republic of Ireland' not clear enough for you or your association?

The IFA have been going on about FIFA looking into the issue yet the FAI have not received a single query from FIFA regarding the eligibility issue, as stated on radio on Tuesday. Surely if FIFA were re-examining the issue their would be some contact?

Then you had the bizarre situation of the IFA chief exec. stating that they did recieve the ruling by letter, later in the interview they did not receive it, then he claimed FIFA were in contact with the FAI regarding eligibility yet the issue has not been raised at all.

On the Tony Kane issue, i presume he would have to withdraw his formal letter requesting to play for Ireland before moving to the northern team?

Good luck to him anyway, it will be interesting to see if Given's assessment of the lad not being good enough for the Ireland u21 squad proves to be right.

carloz

06/09/2007, 2:09 PM

As I have said before, all I want is for FIFA to make a definative, public, statement on this
But they have made their ruling, its quite clear. I get the feeling that the only reason Northern irish people are complaining about this is because FIFA have made their ruling and it was not the the advantage of the North. The ruling has been made, lets get on with it

youngirish

06/09/2007, 2:50 PM

On the Tony Kane issue, i presume he would have to withdraw his formal letter requesting to play for Ireland before moving to the northern team?

Good luck to him anyway, it will be interesting to see if Given's assessment of the lad not being good enough for the Ireland u21 squad proves to be right.
I'd say it's another one of Givens bloopers tbh. I don't know how he could possibly think Kane wasn't good enough for an U21 squad.

Not Brazil

06/09/2007, 3:57 PM

But they have made their ruling, its quite clear.

That's the whole point - it is far from clear.

FIFA need to make a clear, public, statement on the issue.

Then we move on.

lopez

06/09/2007, 4:02 PM

That's the whole point - it is far from clear.

FIFA need to make a clear, public, statement on the issue.

Then we move on.They've sent a letter. The FIFA circular displayed on this thread deals with naturalisation, which anyone from the O6C needs to go through to get an Irish passport. Why do they need to make a public statement?

It's over, Lopez, let it lie - you can fly any bloody flag you like in NI these days. Oliver Cromwell is dead, too...:rolleyes:
Halleloooyah! :rolleyes:

Now's the time for you to let it go about Gibson ever playing for NI - it's over, he's capped for his country, sl�n abhaile!

Not Brazil

06/09/2007, 4:06 PM

They've sent a letter. The FIFA circular displayed on this thread deals with naturalisation, which anyone from the O6C needs to go through to get an Irish passport. Why do they need to make a public statement?

Because the various eligibilty rules are not clear....some seem to contradict others.

And - if Gspain says they're not clear...I believe him.:D

lopez

06/09/2007, 5:10 PM

Because the various eligibilty rules are not clear....some seem to contradict others.

And - if Gspain says they're not clear...I believe him.:DThere is a division between naturalisation and citizenship at birth. I can't see a contradiction there.

And you believe GSpain - does he work for FIFA's legal department? Exactly! - because he says what you want to believe. You're hoping he'll say Santa Claus is alive? :rolleyes:

Not Brazil

06/09/2007, 7:51 PM

There is a division between naturalisation and citizenship at birth. I can't see a contradiction there.

And you believe GSpain - does he work for FIFA's legal department? Exactly! - because he says what you want to believe. You're hoping he'll say Santa Claus is alive? :rolleyes:

Well, rather than hear your interpretation, I think I'd rather hear a definative statement from FIFA - if it's all the same like.;)

co. down green

06/09/2007, 7:54 PM

Well, rather than hear your interpretation, I think I'd rather hear a definative statement from FIFA - if it's all the same like.;)

Another definitive statement :rolleyes::rolleyes:

lopez

06/09/2007, 8:38 PM

Well, rather than hear your interpretation, I think I'd rather hear a definative statement from FIFA - if it's all the same like.;)I thought you wanted to hear Gspain's interpretation. :rolleyes:

geysir

06/09/2007, 9:46 PM

GSpain doesn't know his toe from his fingers when it comes to being confused on FIFA legal arbitration statutes.
So FIFA have said yes to Kane O'Connor Gibson transfers. Every one of them examined in detail.
The same FIFA department that formulated the Statutes in the first place, the same FIFA legal dept that formulated the Annex conditions for Naturalization, the very same FIFA dept that have arbitrated on the rights of dual nationals from all over the world, that arbitrate on all the naturalization issues as well.
The exact same FIFA dept that said yes yet again last October.
The one and only FIFA legal dept that have been a model of consistancy in their decisions since transfers between federation became an issue.

Against that we have a d'ickwit like Howard Wells with his amazing 'eh FIFA have not clarified it for us once and for all'
'I was in the toilet when that last letter from FIFA came and someone threw it into the bin before I got back to my desk so we did not get a letter from FIFA.'

EalingGreen

07/09/2007, 12:24 PM

(Todays Daily Mail)

"Republic up ante in Gibson cap row

Steve Staunton is prepared to risk the wrath of FIFA and Northern Ireland by fielding Darron Gibson in the Republic of Ireland's Euro 2008 qualifiers.

Northern Ireland manager Nigel Worthington, who has already persuaded Blackburn defender Tony Kane to switch countries after two friendlies for Republic boss Staunton, is desperate for Londonderry-born Gibson to do the same.
The 19-year-old Manchester United midfielder, who has an Irish passport, played for the Republic at youth levels, captained the Under 21 side and made his senior debut in last month's friendly win over Denmark.

Last night he was in the squad which left Dublin to face Slovakia and the Czech Republic but Worthington claims Staunton would be taking a major risk if he plays him.

Worthington said: "I will do everything in my power to get him into our system. I really can't see them playing him. If he plays and then FIFA deem him ineligible then they could be punished. And they wouldn't risk of losing points."

But Staunton's No 2, Kevin MacDonald, says the Republic are prepared to "take the risk". He added: "If Steve feels he is the right man to play on Saturday then he will pick him."

The FAI are confident that they have a watertight case and say FIFA told them last October they were within their rights to pick players with dual citizenship.

Gibson made his debut in 2003 for the Under 17s but a year later FIFA tightened qualification criteria. The FAI say Gibson's competitive debut preceded that change."

It may just be sloppy or incomplete journalism, but the final sentence of that article (emboldened) is curious. Does this imply that Northern-born players who made their "competitive debut" AFTER the tightening of the criteria in 2004 are not eligible?

kingdomkerry

07/09/2007, 12:57 PM

biscuit

07/09/2007, 1:22 PM

has Gibson ever publicly signalled what hed like to do? Would he even want to play for Norn Iron? Hes captained his country at u21 and gladly played a senior game so i would think that he would have no interest in doing so. Why would he, just look at the Neil Lennon situation. Also who the **** does Nigel Worthington think he is?

geysir

07/09/2007, 1:24 PM

(Todays Daily Mail)
The FAI are confident that they have a watertight case and say FIFA told them last October they were within their rights to pick players with dual citizenship.
Gibson made his debut in 2003 for the Under 17s but a year later FIFA tightened qualification criteria. The FAI say Gibson's competitive debut preceded that change."

It may just be sloppy or incomplete journalism, but the final sentence of that article (emboldened) is curious. Does this imply that Northern-born players who made their "competitive debut" AFTER the tightening of the criteria in 2004 are not eligible?

In this case the formatting of the last 2 paragraphs from the article is out of sync
It is my pleasure to put a dampner on your flicker of hope :)
The only utterings from the FAI recently was in the, already mentioned in this thread, radio interview with Wells.
The FAI just replied in a statement which was read out on air
roughly like this
'The FAI say Gibson's competitive debut preceded that change
The FAI are confident that they have a watertight case and say FIFA told them last October they were within their rights to pick players with dual citizenship.'

It is a no brainer.

Maroon 7

07/09/2007, 1:35 PM

I doubt Gibson is going to play anyway but I don't think it'll be a sign that the FAI are worried about his eligibility (as I'm sure it'll be interpreted on OWC). It's just that he has 1 cap and is at the back of the queue for midfield places so I don't see him being thrown into two competitive fixtures away from home.

youngirish

07/09/2007, 1:37 PM

If that muppet Worthington seriously believes/hopes that FIFA (isn't the docking of points UEFA's responsibilty anyway?) will turn around and dock the Republic points if Gibson partakes in any of the games over the next few days then he's as ignorant, stupid and petty as the average poster on OWC. I wonder if Nigel could tell me who was the last European team to be docked points for fielding players that are and have been legal citizens of a country for many years and who have played for their countries through U19 and U21 level before being promoted to the senior squad even making an appearance in a friendly before their first competitive appearance. All this under the noses of FIFA without any interference thus far.

Yeah I can see them docking us points for playing him. What a clown I can't believe he's serious. I see this silly attitude that we don't inhabit or have to operate within the real world applications of universal logic that EG obviously persists with has unfortunately filtered it's way into the higher reaches of the IFA.

Docked points me arse. I think you should put some money down in the bookies on that happening Nigel if you really think its possible. You'd be a rich man if it happened. I'd say the 10000/1 UFOs landing on the Whitehouse lawn bet before Bush's presidency expires is more of a surefire thing.

Gibson must now be dying to work with this man and sing GSTQ with his hand on his heart under the St George's cross at Windsor Park.

Stuttgart88

07/09/2007, 1:39 PM

Gibson has made his views very clear which really adds to the disdain I feel for Worthington on this issue.

This has gone on so long I've lost track a bit. Remind me concisely what the issues are again.

In our (ROI & NI / FAI & IFA) case FIFA has carved out a separate ruling & in written form to each association, allowing players born in NI to play for ROI. So this is the essential point, pre-2004 or whenever is a red-herring. Yes / no?

Regardless of this then, from memory:

A player who plays an "A" international (i.e., a full international, friendly or otherwise) is tied.
A player who plays a friendly underage international is not tied.
A player who plays a competitive underage international is tied. However, such a player, if this is the highest level he has played internationally, can change to another association he's eligible to represent as long as he does so only once and before he is 21.

Correct or incorrect?

geysir

07/09/2007, 1:44 PM

You deserve a reply from Ealing for that.

Stuttgart88

07/09/2007, 1:48 PM

What was the tightening of eligibility the quote from the FAI bloke refers to?

Is it the bit about:

Must be born in the association's jurisdiction
Must have a parent or grandparent born in the associations jurisdiction.
Must have lived in the association's jurisdiction for 2 years

So prior to the "tightening" Gibson was only eligible because of his passport, but post the tightening he wouldn't be eligible to play for ROI.

However, the exception carved out by FIFA regarding FAI & IFA overrides this. So the FAI guy was saying that even if the FIFA carve out was never made, Gibson is still eligible to represent FAI.

I'm not asserting this, just querying my own understanding.

EalingGreen

07/09/2007, 2:07 PM

I'm not asserting this, just querying my own understanding.

"Querying"? But don't you know, Stuttgart, there is no room for question on this topic? Otherwise, why would so many posters here be so absolutely certain that it is black and white, open and shut, over and out etc?

Tut, Tut, Stutt. Write out 100 hundred times:

"Darron Gibson is Irish and he's eligible to play for Ireland, because it's in the Good Friday Agreement and the Universal Charter of Human Rights" :cool:

geysir

07/09/2007, 2:19 PM

What was the tightening of eligibility the quote from the FAI bloke refers to?

Is it the bit about:
Must be born in the association's jurisdiction
Must have a parent or grandparent born in the associations jurisdiction.
It is the conditions of the Annex introduced 2004
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/administration/ps%5f901%5fen%5f90.pdf
a simple easy to read doc.

So prior to the tightening Gibson was only eligible because of his passport, but post the tightening he isn't eligible to play for ROI.
No.
He was always eligible to play for Ireland. It�s just that he is still eligible after the Annex because he is a dual citizen. The Annex conditions only apply to players assuming a new nationality - naturalization.

However, the exception carved out by FIFA regarding FAI & IFA overrides this. So the FAI guy was saying that even if the FIFA carve out was never made, Gibson is still eligible to represent FAI.

No exception is made for Ireland, just the regular rules are applied rationally. The FAI guy was saying EVEN IF THE IFA THOUGHT THEY HAD A CASE, GIBSONS TRANSFER PRECEDES THE ANNEX. in a sort of way.

I'm not asserting this, just querying my own understanding.
Okay in that case you can walk away from the wall.

tetsujin1979

07/09/2007, 2:27 PM

When Howard Wells was on NewsTalk during the week, they asked him about the possible points deduction should Gibson play, his answer was something along the lines of "that is for FIFA to decide, I couldn't possibly comment". When pressed that Worthington had made that statement, again he replied "that is for FIFA for decide".
From that, I took it to mean he hadn't a dog's notion if the points would be deducted or not.

Stuttgart88

07/09/2007, 2:58 PM

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/administration/ps%5f901%5fen%5f90.pdf[/URL]
a simple easy to read doc.

Which I'm not allowed to download at work. Mentioned back around page 2 of this thread!

geysir

07/09/2007, 3:18 PM

The Annex conditions are in this thread but that Document I have linked to is not printed out on this thread.
It is a FIFA legal department document on the ANNEX
It is by far the best page and a half document for understanding the Annex.

I can�t copy and paste this pdf document but I won�t admit to not knowing how to.

dr_peepee

07/09/2007, 3:46 PM

"Darron Gibson is Irish and he's eligible to play for Ireland, because it's in the Good Friday Agreement and the Universal Charter of Human Rights" :cool:

Where was that said?.... Again another attempt to trivialise the counter arguments of others by attributing statements like that to them.

Apparently too easy and hypocritical of you to attempt to coin the counter arguments of others in three lines yet you bury your own sentiments in post after post of non commital shpeil....

FIFA regulatory issues... Jamie Carragher... Qatar... Northen Ireland is a unique situation... Anarchy in international football... I respect his decision BUT... ... Every other persons sentiment on this board are politicaly driven... You are all crazy fenians... :rolleyes:

Okey Dokey!!

EalingGreen

07/09/2007, 4:18 PM

Where was that said?.... Again another attempt to trivialise the counter arguments of others by attributing statements like that to them.

Apparently too easy and hypocritical of you to attempt to coin the counter arguments of others in three lines yet you bury your own sentiments in post after post of non commital shpeil....

FIFA regulatory issues... Jamie Carragher... Qatar... Northen Ireland is a unique situation... Anarchy in international football... I respect his decision BUT... ... Every other persons sentiment on this board are politicaly driven... You are all crazy fenians... :rolleyes:

Okey Dokey!!

It's Friday afternoon, my reply to Stuttgart was light-hearted (hence the smilie)

Or are you still smarting from my previous reply to you the other day, Dr P? Or maybe you are suffering from PMT? (Pre-Match Tension, before you go off on another one)

Anyhow, calm down, prescribe yourself a chill pill, open a cold one, or whatever... :cool: