Limerick Division 1A 2007/08

[Sir Jose]

ne predictions for the games at the wkend???

[Sir Jose]

Dines 2 - 1 Shannon
Caherdavin 0 - 3 Kilmallock
Hill Celtic 1 - 1 Herbertstown
Balla 2 - 1 Charleville

[CCCeltic]

Dines 2 - 2 Shannon
Caherdavin 0 - 5 Kilmallock
Hill Celtic 2 - 0 Herbertstown
Balla 2 - 2 Charleville

[Ballsy]

any games go ahead today??

[Balla]

Balla 2-1 Charleville

[Mercurial Vapor]

Balla 2-1 Charleville

Was that the only game that was played?

[Edgey]

Was that the only game that was played?

Ya, according to the radio at lunchtime yesterday it was. Only a handful of games in the LDL played.

[inexile]

what a shame caherdavin will be playing in 1B next year, this time last year they were looking good for promotion to premiere. caherdavin used to have the best underage setup it town and a strong junior setup but now the club looks like it could disappear if they don't sort something out.


spot on hoops, thats where the problem lies, they never progressed off the field and from there players move on to clubs with better facilities. they have produced some very good players even in the last 10 years, karl meehan, david o' neill, mark houlihan, darren keane all won premier leagues etc, shane doran, barry dillon, morgan lewis, corky, pat sheehan, jonny gaynor, shane guerin all came from the club to name just a few. i do hope the club get their act together cos it would be a shame to see a club like that go to the wall, when you think of the likes of chunky dilllon mad as a brush but put in unbelievable work

[abbeyvale]

Balla Pl 12 / Pts 25
Kilmallock Pl 9 / Pts 22
Dromore Pl 12 / Pts 22
Herbertstown Pl 11 / Pts 19
Cappamore Pl 13 / Pts 19
Mungret Pl 11 / Pts 17
Hill Celtic Pl 10 / Pts 15
Bruff Pl 11 / Pts 12
Charleville Pl 10 / Pts 8
Shannon Pl 8 / Pts 7
Geraldines Pl 9 / Pts 7
Caherdavin Pl 8 / Pts 1

Fixtures
Sunday 09/12/07
Caherdavin v Dines
Mungret v Hill Celtic
Bruff v Cappamore
Herbertstown v Dromore

Also
The above league table has Dines down for played 9 but on the local paper today they are down as played 8 (anyone confirm??)
Today's local paper also has Cappamore Played 12 / Pts 16, but we have Played 13 / Pts 19 above (anyone confirm??)

[mulla]

i heard a rumour recently that according to a certain ldmc committee member that if balla b do win the league or finish second they will get promoted.

I know this has been discussed before and I myself do not believe it but as it came from a high ranking member od the ldmc I said i'd ask has anyone heard anything about it?

On another note who are peoples favourites to be in the top 2 places at the end of the season?
Judging by the weather I don't think there will be 2 many games played until the new year!!!

[Edgey]

Have seen all the top teams in the division now and think it will be Kilmallock and Balla as top 2. Haven't heard anything on the rumour that Balla could go up.

Whatever about the quality of the league it's exciting this year at the top and bottom. Anyone can beat anyone and all teams still have something to play for.

Any predictions on relegation?

[summervilleman]

Caherdavin definately to go down along with shannon i think...Think kilmallock will win the league with balla in second...Doubt they can go up though..They can appeal it to the council but i think they had this one out before

[abbeyvale]

Have seen all the top teams in the division now and think it will be Kilmallock and Balla as top 2. Haven't heard anything on the rumour that Balla could go up.

Whatever about the quality of the league it's exciting this year at the top and bottom. Anyone can beat anyone and all teams still have something to play for.

Any predictions on relegation?

At the mid-way point in the season I would have to go with the following.
1. Kilmallock
2. Mungret (Balla will probably finish 2nd with Mungret getting promoted by finishing 3rd)
11. Charleville
12. Caherdavin

[abbeyvale]

Lads
Can anyone confirm for definite exactly what happnes if Balla "B" finish in the top two spots in Division 1A this season.??

(Providing Balla "B" cant get promoted, which I dont think they can).

Does the team finishing 3rd in Division 1A automatically get promoted?

Or

Does the team finishing 3rd in Division 1A go into a play off game versus the team that finished 2nd last in the Prem League?

[abbeyvale]

this happened in clare league a few seasons ago..bottom 2 from premier will go down and top two in 1a go up if 1 of these teams can't go up next in line ie third go up automatically

The 3rd placed team in the first division would hardly be as strong as the team that finished 2nd from bottom in the Prem, would it?

[Edgey]

The 3rd placed team in the first division would hardly be as strong as the team that finished 2nd from bottom in the Prem, would it?

Ya the rule in all divisions is that if you finish in the bottom two you're relegated regardless of what happens with teams pulling out or a situation like Balla's. Remember all the hassle when Hill Celtic were relegated and Herbertstown were the third team from 1A promoted.

[Mercurial Vapor]

The 3rd placed team in the first division would hardly be as strong as the team that finished 2nd from bottom in the Prem, would it?

Didn't something similar happen a few years ago when Park asked to be dropped down from the Premier. The LDMC promoted Herbertstown who had finished 3rd in Division 1A instead of leaving Hill Celtic in the premier, who had finished 2nd last. Hill Celtics protest, which played havoc with fixtures in the Prmier and 1A was rejected. I think if Balla "B" do finish in the top 2 that they will appeal to go up on the basis that in recent years in lower divisions that some clubs ie. Fairview and Mungret have had 2 teams in one league.

[gaidin]

The 3rd placed team in the first division would hardly be as strong as the team that finished 2nd from bottom in the Prem, would it?

You never know they could be.

Anyway I cant see how the LDMC could let Balla B get promoted if they finished in the top 2. It could ruin local football as in 3 or 4 years you could have 2 teams from a number of clubs in the premier.

[gaidin]

Didn't something similar happen a few years ago when Park asked to be dropped down from the Premier. The LDMC promoted Herbertstown who had finished 3rd in Division 1A instead of leaving Hill Celtic in the premier, who had finished 2nd last. Hill Celtics protest, which played havoc with fixtures in the Prmier and 1A was rejected. I think if Balla "B" do finish in the top 2 that they will appeal to go up on the basis that in recent years in lower divisions that some clubs ie. Fairview and Mungret have had 2 teams in one league.

I remember that. Fairview had 2 teams in a league and Corballys B and C teams were in the same league for a while also.

But I also remember a few years back, a good few years, when Geraldines were in the premier and their B team won 1A and they were refused promotion on the basis that you could only have 1 team per league.

[summervilleman]

Didn't something similar happen a few years ago when Park asked to be dropped down from the Premier. The LDMC promoted Herbertstown who had finished 3rd in Division 1A instead of leaving Hill Celtic in the premier, who had finished 2nd last. Hill Celtics protest, which played havoc with fixtures in the Prmier and 1A was rejected. I think if Balla "B" do finish in the top 2 that they will appeal to go up on the basis that in recent years in lower divisions that some clubs ie. Fairview and Mungret have had 2 teams in one league.

I remember that. Fairview had 2 teams in a league and Corballys B and C teams were in the same league for a while also.

But I also remember a few years back, a good few years, when Geraldines were in the premier and their B team won 1A and they were refused promotion on the basis that you could only have 1 team per league.

I personally think its a joke to be honest..if a team finishs in 1st or 2nd in the league then they are good enough and deserve to be promoted..I remember when fairview had 2 teams in 1a a few years back and they got the both fixtures out of the way early so as to not cause any hassle with points later on in the season..This should be the case with balla(should they finish in top 2).It shouldn't matter if 2 teams are in 1a or premier if u ask me!!

[booster 03]

if you get promoted you should go up, simple as that,if balla happen to go up, which by the way is way to early to presume in a tight league, imo the should be promoted!!obviously some new rules would have to be set, like maybe the a and b team playin as independant sides, eg.. no b players could play league or domestic cup football for the a team, however could be available in national competions, ie fai!it'd work for sure, as for a b team rolling over to give their a team six points a season i couldnt see it, not in premier anyway, balla b have a good side,have always had, they had jamie o sullivan and brock to mention a few playing for them,last season, they would give most premier sides a serious game.

[KevB76]

The 3rd placed team in the first division would hardly be as strong as the team that finished 2nd from bottom in the Prem, would it?


Could be, easily.
Take Kilmallock and Dromore for example, just promoted from 1B, doing better so far than the relegated premier sides Herbertstown & Charleville (not to metion all the 1a sides!)
I'm sure you can think of plenty more examples.
Some teams change considerably from one season to the next.

[KevB76]

Didn't something similar happen a few years ago when Park asked to be dropped down from the Premier. The LDMC promoted Herbertstown who had finished 3rd in Division 1A instead of leaving Hill Celtic in the premier, who had finished 2nd last. Hill Celtics protest, which played havoc with fixtures in the Prmier and 1A was rejected.

Yeah, that was as long ago as last season ! :D

[Mercurial Vapor]

just promoted from 1B, doing better so far than the relegated premier sides Herbertstown & Charleville (not to metion all the 1a sides!)

Last time I checked the league table Herbertstown were doing better than more than half the teams in 1A. ;)

[Forever Red]

Well MV - are Mungret going to add a couple of heavyweight signings when the Xmas Transfer Window opens??

[KevB76]

just promoted from 1B, doing better so far than the relegated premier sides Herbertstown & Charleville (not to metion all the 1a sides!)

Last time I checked the league table Herbertstown were doing better than more than half the teams in 1A. ;)

No argument there sir, my point was about the "1B" teams ahead of them :)
(that the 1B teams are doing better than nearly all the 1A sides)

[abbeyvale]

Could be, easily.
Take Kilmallock and Dromore for example, just promoted from 1B, doing better so far than the relegated premier sides Herbertstown & Charleville (not to metion all the 1a sides!)
I'm sure you can think of plenty more examples.
Some teams change considerably from one season to the next.


I agree that during the close season that a team will get signings and become stronger for the start of a new season,

What I meant was,

If the 2nd last team in the Prem had a play off game versus the 3rd placed team in Div 1A, at the end of a season to decide who stays or goes up to the Prem, then surely the Prem team would be the stronger??

[mulla]

I agree that during the close season that a team will get signings and become stronger for the start of a new season,

What I meant was,

If the 2nd last team in the Prem had a play off game versus the 3rd placed team in Div 1A, at the end of a season to decide who stays or goes up to the Prem, then surely the Prem team would be the stronger??

you would definitely expect them to be stronger than the 3rd best team in 1A, when teams get relegated it is automatically assumed that the teams that replace them in the league are better than them
imo that is never the case it just means that the team that has been relegated from the higher division have played a better quality of team throughout the season than the team from the lower division has.


as for relegation from 1a going on what I have seen so far I would have to say Caherdavin(unfortunately) and bruff.but to be honest both ends of the table are wide open

[Ballsy]

Well is there any way of clearing up this Balla B fiasco.its a bit of a balls goin through the season with this in doubt..although there's still alot of football to play,this must be cleared up sooner rather than later!

[abbeyvale]

Well is there any way of clearing up this Balla B fiasco.its a bit of a balls goin through the season with this in doubt..although there's still alot of football to play,this must be cleared up sooner rather than later!

I think a vote should be taken at the start of each season between all Prem teams and all Div 1A teams, to decide if a "B Team" do finish in the top two of Div 1A should get promoted or not.

[Mercurial Vapor]

Well MV - are Mungret going to add a couple of heavyweight signings when the Xmas Transfer Window opens??

We haven't been able to sign a "heavyweight" in years, why do you ask?

[gaidin]

I think a vote should be taken at the start of each season between all Prem teams and all Div 1A teams, to decide if a "B Team" do finish in the top two of Div 1A should get promoted or not.

So the vote would basically be about Balla B as they are the only B team in 1A. But I get your point.

Personally I dont think they should be allowed to go up. Just my opinion.

I agree with Ballsy this should be cleared up as soon as possible. Maybe the LDMC are waiting until the end of the season to decide as the decision might not have to be made if balla dont finish in the top 2. There is a long way to go yet.

[larrywhite]

I dont think they will be allowed if they do come in the top two. I belive there is a rule not allowing a clubs A and B teams from being in the same league. The Fairview B and C teams were in 1B a few seasons ago alright but that was demmed ok because the rules do not allow C players play with the B team. C players can play for the As, B players an play for the As but C player can not play for the B team as far as I know.

[barryk]

I dont think they will be allowed if they do come in the top two. I belive there is a rule not allowing a clubs A and B teams from being in the same league. The Fairview B and C teams were in 1B a few seasons ago alright but that was demmed ok because the rules do not allow C players play with the B team. C players can play for the As, B players an play for the As but C player can not play for the B team as far as I know.

Wrong!
There is a rule in the LDMC rule book that if a team finishes in the top two they get promoted. This was voted in a few years ago when Geraldines B were dominating Div 1A and were remaining there the next season.

[larrywhite]

And did they ever get into Premier?

[Balla]

And did they ever get into Premier?

as far as i know the A team were relegated the same year, the team's should have swapped leagues but the club swapped the teams so the A players stayed in the premier and the B players stayed in 1A......

[summervilleman]

as far as i know the A team were relegated the same year, the team's should have swapped leagues but the club swapped the teams so the A players stayed in the premier and the B players stayed in 1A......


I suppose we will just have to see how balla progress through out the rest of the season..Long way to go yet and its pretty tight at the top...All these arguments could be for nothing but its going to happen at some stage and i think the ldmc should be ready for it and have a ruling made on it to prevent complecations in the future????

[abbeyvale]

So the vote would basically be about Balla B as they are the only B team in 1A. But I get your point.

Personally I dont think they should be allowed to go up. Just my opinion.

I agree with Ballsy this should be cleared up as soon as possible. Maybe the LDMC are waiting until the end of the season to decide as the decision might not have to be made if balla dont finish in the top 2. There is a long way to go yet.


Im not just talking about Prem and Div 1A, there should be a vote at the start of each season for all divisions that it MIGHT affect.

Balla may or may not finish in the top two, but dont you think they should know IF its possible to get promoted before they start their season rather than going through the season thinking they might get promoted only then for the LDMC to tell them NO at the end of a long hard season....

[gaidin]

Im not just talking about Prem and Div 1A, there should be a vote at the start of each season for all divisions that it MIGHT affect.

Balla may or may not finish in the top two, but dont you think they should know IF its possible to get promoted before they start their season rather than going through the season thinking they might get promoted only then for the LDMC to tell them NO at the end of a long hard season....

Ya I know what your saying there, it would be good if they knew at the beginning of the season.

But the lads from balla I was talking to thought they couldnt go up at the beginning. They never thought they could get promotion until the last week when all these rumours started. So as far as they were concerned when the season started they never thought they could get promoted.

[abbeyvale]

Ya I know what your saying there, it would be good if they knew at the beginning of the season.

But the lads from balla I was talking to thought they couldnt go up at the beginning. They never thought they could get promotion until the last week when all these rumours started. So as far as they were concerned when the season started they never thought they could get promoted.


So if they did get promoted, it would be a bonus, but they should still know where they stand.

[Ballsy]

Any fixtures for the weekend?

[Lev Yashin]

Any fixtures for the weekend?

we are away to geraldines...whats the chances any games will be played before the new year at this stage???

[CCCeltic]

No rain forecast for weekend and this week aint been too bad so no excuse for games to be called off unless you can't play in the wind

[3 Heroes]

No rain forecast for weekend and this week aint been too bad so no excuse for games to be called off unless you can't play in the wind
Must be awful for those playing in the morning games, whilst us gimps have to miss both the Munster and Liverpool v Man U game and most of the Arsenal v Chelsea game

[Lev Yashin]

Must be awful for those playing in the morning games, whilst us gimps have to miss both the Munster and Liverpool v Man U game and most of the Arsenal v Chelsea game

Harsh.........:p

[Poloman]

Crowds will be seriously affected for the Pike V Portmarnock game except for die hard supporters. Neutral supporters like myself will either be in Thomand Park, the pub or on the couch with our own ham sandwich and oxtail soup flicking between channels!

Best of luck to Pike.

[Worldcup]

Lads any results from todays league games and any update on the league table.

[Worldcup]

Lads any results from todays league games and any update on the league table.

Balla Pl 12 / Pts 25
Kilmallock Pl 9 / Pts 22
Dromore Pl 12 / Pts 22
Herbertstown Pl 12 / Pts 22
Cappamore Pl 13 / Pts 19
Mungret Pl 11 / Pts 17
Hill Celtic Pl 11 / Pts 15
Bruff Pl 11 / Pts 12
Charleville Pl 10 / Pts 8
Shannon Pl 8 / Pts 7
Geraldines Pl 9 / Pts 7
Caherdavin Pl 8 / Pts 1

Herbertstown 3 - 1 Hill Celtic

[platini]

Balla Pl 12 / Pts 25
Kilmallock Pl 9 / Pts 22
Dromore Pl 12 / Pts 22
Herbertstown Pl 12 / Pts 22
Cappamore Pl 13 / Pts 19
Mungret Pl 11 / Pts 17
Hill Celtic Pl 11 / Pts 15
Bruff Pl 11 / Pts 12
Charleville Pl 10 / Pts 8
Shannon Pl 8 / Pts 7
Geraldines Pl 9 / Pts 7
Caherdavin Pl 8 / Pts 1

Herbertstown 3 - 1 Hill Celtic

Shannon town 2 Geraldines 0

[Ballsy]

Caherdavin 0 5 Mungret

Balla Pl 12 / Pts 25
Kilmallock Pl 9 / Pts 22
Dromore Pl 12 / Pts 22
Herbertstown Pl 12 / Pts 22
Mungret Pl 12 / Pts 20
Cappamore Pl 13 / Pts 19
Hill Celtic Pl 11 / Pts 15
Bruff Pl 11 / Pts 12
Charleville Pl 10 / Pts 8
Shannon Pl 8 / Pts 7
Geraldines Pl 9 / Pts 7
Caherdavin Pl 9 / Pts 1

This is without the fourth game..